BSL-1 (Battroid-use Shoulder Launcher-1)

[Aurel Tristen]

While it maybe not be official, it is still pretty damn cool and I bet not many of you have seen it before. ; )

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat/vari/bsl1.html

[Armor]

Wow Wow. Was that ever shown before? The TV show that is.

[Aurel Tristen]

Wow Wow. Was that ever shown before? The TV show that is.

Nope.

[Angel's Fury]

So once the all the ammo has been used, it can't be reloaded??

[JB0]

So once the all the ammo has been used, it can't be reloaded??

Looks reloadable to me. Just stuff more grenades in the front.

[gnollman]

So once the all the ammo has been used, it can't be reloaded??

Probably something done off the front line.... though you have to wonder what pilot would carry a three shot wonder into battle rather than their trusty GU-11....

[JB0]

So once the all the ammo has been used, it can't be reloaded??

Probably something done off the front line.... though you have to wonder what pilot would carry a three shot wonder into battle rather than their trusty GU-11....

One that needed more kick, but couldn't spare the added size of FAST packs?

And I wouldn't think it replaces the GU-11. It's pretty small.

[Boxer]

Maybe it's optional equipment that can be used by VFs and Spartan Destroids (like GU-11s.) Maybe it's disposable too...

[ArchVile]

Maybe they can easily use it one hand while they use the other for the GU-11.

[Zentrandude]

Maybe it's optional equipment that can be used by VFs and Spartan Destroids (like GU-11s.) Maybe it's disposable too...

if i was a pilot i rather use this than the 3 shot wonder.

[Stamen0083]

How far is a click?

[Yohsho]

How far is a click?

That should be 1 kilometre, I think, not good with these things.

That looks cool, lacking on the amount of ammo IMO

[wolfx]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

[Aurel Tristen]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

So that the exhaust vents discharge in back of you instead of in front of you.

[Zentrandude]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder 

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

So that the exhaust vents discharge in back of you instead of in front of you.

doesnt realy matter the body can absorb the heat with no or little damage.

[Aurel Tristen]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder 

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

So that the exhaust vents discharge in back of you instead of in front of you.

doesnt realy matter the body can absorb the heat with no or little damage.

Smoke, not just heat might limit non-IR visual ability

[CoryHolmes]

How far is a click?

That should be 1 kilometre, I think, not good with these things.

Yeah, "klick" "click" and various other forms are just short terms for one kilometre. Much easier to say, anyway

[Boxer]

Here's a question:

Where does it come from? Other than being a concept?

The Spartan isn't a three-shot wonder...so long as you call yourself a main character

Edited June 22, 2004 by Boxer

[JELEINEN]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder 

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

So that the exhaust vents discharge in back of you instead of in front of you.

Looks to me that if you brought it up to your shoulder, it would discharge right next to you head. It's just a valkyrie-sized pistol. A very cool looking pistol none the less.

[Boxer]

And one that shoots guided missiles/rockets

What's the yeild on each of those (H-22) bombs?

And this is the first time I've seen a grenade for a Valkyrie.

[Aurel Tristen]

Here's a question:

Where does it come from? Other than being a concept?

The Spartan isn't a three-shot wonder...so long as you call yourself a main character

Its a MAT drawing. From the group that was headed up by Masahiro Chiba. Its not official.

[Aurel Tristen]

1 would think that its shoulder mounted or launches your shoulder 

Why do you need to bring that small thing up to shoulder height anyway? Pistol sights?

So that the exhaust vents discharge in back of you instead of in front of you.

Looks to me that if you brought it up to your shoulder, it would discharge right next to you head. It's just a valkyrie-sized pistol. A very cool looking pistol none the less.

The *shoulder launcher* could extend rearward before firing for all we know....

[Aurel Tristen]

And one that shoots guided missiles/rockets

What's the yeild on each of those (H-22) bombs?

And this is the first time I've seen a grenade for a Valkyrie.

They are 'large-type hand grenades'

It propels/fires the same type of large hand grenades that the Armored Valkyrie has mounted in its hip discharge system. H-22Ts [H-22Bs]. The explosive yield is not known.

[Aurel Tristen]

And one that shoots guided missiles/rockets

What's the yeild on each of those (H-22) bombs?

And this is the first time I've seen a grenade for a Valkyrie.

There are plenty of grenades for Valkyries....

H-22s, GH-32s, GA-100s etc.

Most are "grenade crashers" or missile grenades.

[Boxer]

Are they rockets/missiles or unproppeled warheads (Grenades)?

If the latter then I think this is the first kind of large mech grenade i've seen in Macross. (I assumed the hip launchers were more missiles...)

[Edit]: well were there any unpropelled ones (Above?) that were thrown by hand without propellant? And what launchers carried the GH-32s, GA-100s ?

Edited June 22, 2004 by Boxer

[Aurel Tristen]

Are they rockets/missiles or unproppeled warheads (Grenades)?

If the latter then I think this is the first kind of large mech grenade i've seen in Macross. (I assumed the hip launchers were more missiles...)

[Edit]: well were there any unpropelled ones (Above?) that were thrown by hand without propellant? And what launchers carried the GH-32s, GA-100s ?

For more info see:

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/gh32.html

More to come.

[Aurel Tristen]

Are they rockets/missiles or unproppeled warheads (Grenades)?

If the latter then I think this is the first kind of large mech grenade i've seen in Macross. (I assumed the hip launchers were more missiles...)

[Edit]: well were there any unpropelled ones (Above?) that were thrown by hand without propellant? And what launchers carried the GH-32s, GA-100s ?

Yes, the H-22.

[according to MAT] the H-22 could also be thrown.

The GH-32s and GA-100s are used by the launchers on the GBP-1S.

[Boxer]

Interesting, the GH-32 seems to be an unguided singularity (micro-black hole) weapon, based on

At the time of impact, the warhead generates a super-gravity point and displays the super-monroe effect (armor piercing). This is common to all grenade-missiles.

(From Nanashi's GH-32 entry)

Or is this overtechnology?

Edited June 22, 2004 by Boxer

[Aurel Tristen]

Interesting, the GH-32 seems to be an unguided singularity (micro-black hole) weapon, based on

At the time of impact, the warhead generates a super-gravity point and displays the super-monroe effect (armor piercing). This is common to all grenade-missiles.

(From Nanashi's GH-32 entry)

Or is this overtechnology?

Actually it an older technology.... its called HEAT armor piercing. ^^;; LOL

See: http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/defin_2.html

[EganLoo]

There are plenty of grenades for Valkyries....

H-22s, GH-32s, GA-100s etc.

Most are "grenade crashers" or missile grenades.

Studio Nue does not call the GA-100 a "grenade," a "grenade crasher," or a "missile grenade."

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/

[EganLoo]

Interesting, the GH-32 seems to be an unguided singularity (micro-black hole) weapon, based on

At the time of impact, the warhead generates a super-gravity point and displays the super-monroe effect (armor piercing). This is common to all grenade-missiles.

(From Nanashi's GH-32 entry)

Or is this overtechnology?

Actually it an older technology.... its called HEAT armor piercing. ^^;; LOL

See: http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/defin_2.html

This is not HEAT armor piercing technology, nor is it a singularity. This is the result of bad translations.

[EganLoo]

Besides being unofficial fan material, the material above is altered and outdated.

1) The Macross Attack Team (a.k.a. "Multi-configulation (sic) Analysis Team") call this weapon a BSR-1. To state that the "R" is really "L" and means "Launcher" is made-up hindsight speculation.

2) Mention is made on this thread of the Macross Attack Team's drawing. Even as an unofficial fan weapon, there is no "correct" drawing. The Macross Attack Team had one sketch that it used in their early doujinshi—except this sketch is of a small hand weapon directly mounted to the lower arm, and not a shoulder-fired pod as its own side-by-side description claims. That is one reason why that drawing was left out of their later doujinshi. (Naturally, it is not in official material at all.)

[Aurel Tristen]

Interesting, the GH-32 seems to be an unguided singularity (micro-black hole) weapon, based on

At the time of impact, the warhead generates a super-gravity point and displays the super-monroe effect (armor piercing). This is common to all grenade-missiles.

(From Nanashi's GH-32 entry)

Or is this overtechnology?

Actually it an older technology.... its called HEAT armor piercing. ^^;; LOL

See: http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/defin_2.html

This is not HEAT armor piercing technology, nor is it a singularity. This is the result of bad translations.

The Monroe Effect refers to armor piercing. The text mentions that.

[Aurel Tristen]

You're right it is not HEAT. I drew a conclusion too quickly.

But the Monroe Effect does happen according to the text.

"....You're right it is not HEAT. I drew a conclusion too quickly.

But the Monroe Effect does happen according to the text.

"....as the Monroe Effect. This effect takes place when a hollow space is left in an explosive charge, causing the gases in that space to be turned into hot plasma by the blast. This plasma, when the space is given the proper shape, can become a high velocity jet capable of penetrating armor equal to 150-250% of the warhead diameter."

[EganLoo]

"....You're right it is not HEAT. I drew a conclusion too quickly.

But the Monroe Effect does happen according to the text.

"....as the Monroe Effect. This effect takes place when a hollow space is left in an explosive charge, causing the gases in that space to be turned into hot plasma by the blast. This plasma, when the space is given the proper shape, can become a high velocity jet capable of penetrating armor equal to 150-250% of the warhead diameter."

Actually, the effect that occurs in the Macross Attack Team's doujinshi entry does not occur as the conventional Monroe effect description above states. That's one of the issues.