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[Agent ONE]

Hilarious banner. 

Man, they sure are going to milk this itty bitty bit of publicity, aren't they.

It just shows what hacks they are... They don't have the budget or tallent to creat any new material so they really have no choice.

[bsu legato]

It just shows what hacks they are... They don't have the budget or tallent to creat any new material so they really have no choice.

No kidding. Shouldn't they be hyping their vaporware Robotech 2K4 by now? They've been awfully quiet on that front, haven't they?

[Agent ONE]

If you really want to see some poor-assed DVD marketing, just look at the different types of Terminator DVDs there are.

Original movie

Director's Cut

Ultimate Edition

etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Whomever is in charge of all these DVDs really needs to get his head twisted on straight. There's only so many times we're going to buy the same freakin' movie!

Cory,

Different studios released them, that would be like the Conan O guy adding all Macross Bootleg box sets into his gripe about HG, which he didn't...

You shouldn't defend HG when they do this, it makes you seem to be a less credible member of MW. You can still be a fan of RT, but you have to admit that this re-milking of old ass 80's material is a travesty.

[EXO]

...but you have to admit that this re-milking of old ass 80's material is a travesty.

That's not the travesty. Some of the revival of 80's stuff is pretty cool. the problem with HG is that RT is the ONE property that they can milk. If you look at Hasbro, Transformers is not their sole property that keeps them alive. And also they kept the franchise going all these years instead of leaving it in a stagnant state. That's the sad part about HG. Now they are relying on something they never had faith in in the first place.

[RichterX]

If you really want to see some poor-assed DVD marketing, just look at the different types of Terminator DVDs there are.

Original movie

Director's Cut

Ultimate Edition

etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Whomever is in charge of all these DVDs really needs to get his head twisted on straight.  There's only so many times we're going to buy the same freakin' movie!

Cory,

Different studios released them, that would be like the Conan O guy adding all Macross Bootleg box sets into his gripe about HG, which he didn't...

You shouldn't defend HG when they do this, it makes you seem to be a less credible member of MW. You can still be a fan of RT, but you have to admit that this re-milking of old ass 80's material is a travesty.

Agent ONE you forgot to add that it is a badly pasted together travesty.

[ewilen]

In theory they don't even have to "put both editions on the disk". There's supposed to be a way to just indicate where the center of the fullscreen picture is supposed to be and let the DVD player handle the cropping. (It does mean a moderate loss of resolution relative to a dedicated fullscreen datastream.)

I'm not sure if that allows for pan and scan which is a big part of fullscreen chopping.

It does...there is a way to continuously encode where the center of the cropped screen is supposed to be, and DVD players are supposed to use this to automatically pan/shift the "window" onto the "actual" screen. To my knowledge, very few DVD's actually use this system, and I don't know if all players now support it.

[do not disturb]

be cool my babies.

coney makes me raugh.

[Zentrandude]

this thread is insane. thinks about the starwars dvds like the terminator ones.

[Godzilla]

How about the DVDs for the Lord of the Rings? Don't tell me they aint milking that. Releasing the extended edition on the ROTK and then later release DVD with no extended edition but uncut... blah, blah. Same damn movie but you get uncut, or extended, and prolly next is director's cut. WTF. There isnt a DVD that has it all. Just a damn marketing ploy.

[agass4u]

I love Robotech, please don't shoot me, but you guys are right. That is insane. I'm not going to spend another 250 bucks just for a few more seconds of footage.

I'm suprised they haven't tryed to re-release clash of the Battoliods several times, with a few more seconds of footage or added bonous features that are slightly different on each DVD. How many times do people accually look at the special features on their DVD's? Honestly. And companies wonder why people would rather pirate their over priced movies than buy them.

Oh an additional note, why hasn't someone tried to blow up HG yet. I'm with you, get the TNT and I'll get the marshmellows.

Edited June 15, 2004 by agass4u

[ewilen]

How about the DVDs for the Lord of the Rings? Don't tell me they aint milking that. Releasing the extended edition on the ROTK and then later release DVD with no extended edition but uncut... blah, blah. Same damn movie but you get uncut, or extended, and prolly next is director's cut. WTF. There isnt a DVD that has it all. Just a damn marketing ploy.

Yup, and again there's a readymade technological solution that's been largely ignored by the studios. It's called "seamless branching".

[Blaine23]

How about the DVDs for the Lord of the Rings?  Don't tell me they aint milking that.  Releasing the extended edition on the ROTK and then later  release DVD with no extended edition but uncut... blah, blah.  Same damn movie but you get uncut, or extended, and prolly next is director's cut.  WTF. There isnt a DVD that has it all.  Just a damn marketing ploy.

Yup, and again there's a readymade technological solution that's been largely ignored by the studios. It's called "seamless branching".

Eh, Seemless Branching has caused a problem in more than few DVD players out there. Ironically one of the first T2 discs used it.

The Lord of the Rings discs have been anything but "milked" franchise thus far.

They've released 2 versions of each movie. One is a 2-disc theatrical cut. The second is a lavish 4 disc set with a longer cut of the movie, and tons of bonus features. It usually costs a cheap $30 to boot.

The big difference here is that they've announced, from the beginning, that they would be releasing 2 versions of each movie. They've announced both release dates each time. Who's getting fooled? What's tricky about this?

With the other movies, they just continually release the same film with slightly more bonus crap tacked on and call it "The Supreme Ultimate Edition", but you never know if what you buy is gonna come out again in 6 months in a supposedly better package.

With LotR, it's pretty well established exactly what they're gonna do each time. I might be surprised when someone doesn't know about 2 versions of the first movie, but c'mon... they've been doing this for 3 years in a row now! The same thing!

And to be on topic - I just watched the Recliner of Rage bit... funny stuff... but you'd think it was a namedrop by the president the way HG is pushing it on their site.

[Gaijin]

I watched it. It's funny. How can "both sides" not take a joke?

[Hurin]

I think some DVD releases go overboard, but in the case of The Lord of the Rings, they've done it pretty fairly, clearly, and they've done the same thing each time. I've ranted about it before. So I'll save you all the annoyance of me doing it again.

[Ladic]

The Original Dawn of the dead came out in March on dvd, and now they are releasing the superduper version of the Original again in September, 6 months later!!!

And that's not counting the Old DVD version that came out in 97 or 98 I think.

[mikeszekely]

How about the DVDs for the Lord of the Rings?  Don't tell me they aint milking that.  Releasing the extended edition on the ROTK and then later  release DVD with no extended edition but uncut... blah, blah.  Same damn movie but you get uncut, or extended, and prolly next is director's cut.  WTF. There isnt a DVD that has it all.  Just a damn marketing ploy.

Yup, and again there's a readymade technological solution that's been largely ignored by the studios. It's called "seamless branching".

Eh, Seemless Branching has caused a problem in more than few DVD players out there. Ironically one of the first T2 discs used it.

The Lord of the Rings discs have been anything but "milked" franchise thus far.

They've released 2 versions of each movie. One is a 2-disc theatrical cut. The second is a lavish 4 disc set with a longer cut of the movie, and tons of bonus features. It usually costs a cheap $30 to boot.

The big difference here is that they've announced, from the beginning, that they would be releasing 2 versions of each movie. They've announced both release dates each time. Who's getting fooled? What's tricky about this?

But that's just a more clever way of milking it.

Take Robocop. First the Criterion version, then the cheaper ordinary version, now the boxed set. I bought the Criterion version, then had no interest in any of the other versions.

Now with LotR, they make it really clear that there's going to be the theatrical release with the usual extras, then later a special extended edition. Now fans know from the get-go that if they want the theatrical version, they will buy one version, then to get all the extras, they'll have to buy the extended version. Well, fortunately for the fanboys and girls, they spaced them out, so they have time to save up for both versions.

Besides, how many people here really doubt that sometime in 2005, you'll be seeing a boxed set with all three films, plus some other extra exclusive bonus material?

[Agent ONE]

I love how the RT die hards defend HG no matter what.... Just let it go guys, HG shamelessly pimps that same busted up ho from the 80's as they always have. Nothing new, just re-ripping consumers off.

You guys mentioned other examples or double dipping... Yeah we hate that too. Just because some other company is lame-ass doesn't mean HG is less lame-ass. It means that they are both lame-ass, but HG is the king of lame-ass since they haven't ever done anything right.

Like I said to Cory, if you like the RT story, fine, like it. Just quit defending their shamelessness.

[Agent ONE]

I guess we have 2 threads about this now... Oh well:

The shameless dorks have it hosted... Haw Haw Haw

http://www.robotech.com/content/media/Cona...linerOfRage.mov

[do not disturb]

i got the best solution for this, don't buy DVD's.

lately, i've been hittin up the library for movies cause its free, i can make a copy and its only a buck a day if its late. and you'd be amazed how many new titles some libraries have...also they got a bunch of CD's too, its bottleg heaven at the library.

[EXO]

I guess we have 2 threads about this now... Oh well:

The shameless dorks have it hosted... Haw Haw Haw

http://www.robotech.com/content/media/Cona...linerOfRage.mov

this one shouldn't be open... it's not macross anyway.

[ewilen]

Eh, Seemless Branching has caused a problem in more than few DVD players out there. Ironically one of the first T2 discs used it.

Yes, it caused problems in my DVD player too (unless you install a firmware upgrade). But the concept is so simple and so perfectly suited to the DVD medium that the bugs would surely be worked out if the producers really wanted to use it.

(Anybody know if the "play all episodes" and "with/without opening music" options on the SDF Macross DVD's are technically SB or not?)

[Ladic]

With our easy to understand charts, you'll learn about the different Robotech DVD releases and go back to buying more Robotech DVD's in no time!

Edited June 16, 2004 by Ladic

[bsu legato]

but you'd think it was a namedrop by the president the way HG is pushing it on their site.

No, at this point it's more like a namedrop by Jesus.

[The Shade]

HG updated their article and have included a quicktime streaming video of "Pierre Bernard's Recliner of Rage". It's pretty good, especially Conan O'Brien's reaction.

[uminoken]

With our easy to understand charts, you'll learn about the different Robotech DVD releases and go back to buying more Robotech DVD's in no time!

I think that chart is a joke just by the names - they're Pierre's dvd list...but still, even my robotech/macross fan friend (isn't that like supporting the israelies and palestinians?) is pissed about the dvd releasing issue. But I think all my resentment with HG is summed up thus....no acknowledgement of Kawamori

[Keith]

Watching the clip again today, I think it's pierre that was playing the trick. Call me crazy, but if he's smart enough to pronunce it "Mac-RO-ss" after watching robotech, then he obvoiusly know's the difference.

[KingNor]

Watching the clip again today, I think it's pierre that was playing the trick. Call me crazy, but if he's smart enough to pronunce it "Mac-RO-ss" after watching robotech, then he obvoiusly know's the difference.

how else do you pronounce it?

[Keith]

Watching the clip again today, I think it's pierre that was playing the trick. Call me crazy, but if he's smart enough to pronunce it "Mac-RO-ss" after watching robotech, then he obvoiusly know's the difference.

how else do you pronounce it?

Most dub studio's (including those who did robotech & macross plus) will usually pornunce it "Mac-ross" (lower "o" sound used in such words as "boss," or "moss." Macross however is properly pronunced "Mac-ROSS," sound used in such words as post, most, hose, etc.

As such, its unconventional for anyone who's only seen robotech to pronunce it properly.

[KingNor]

Watching the clip again today, I think it's pierre that was playing the trick. Call me crazy, but if he's smart enough to pronunce it "Mac-RO-ss" after watching robotech, then he obvoiusly know's the difference.

how else do you pronounce it?

Most dub studio's (including those who did robotech & macross plus) will usually pornunce it "Mac-ross" (lower "o" sound used in such words as "boss," or "moss." Macross however is properly pronunced "Mac-ROSS," sound used in such words as post, most, hose, etc.

As such, its unconventional for anyone who's only seen robotech to pronunce it properly.

ive always said it like: mac and cross. just combine the c's

so thats wrong huh?

***edit***

as a odd note, i noticed in robotech, the anouncer guy (who sounds like hes from the 50's ) pronounces it MACruss.

Edited June 18, 2004 by KingNor

[Keith]

Well, if you want to get technical its "MA-KU-RO-SU," but Macross (with the uppercase "O" sound) works just fine (again as in words such as hose, nose, post, etc), but yes, if you're pronuncing it with the lowercase "o" sound (moss, boss, toss) then you're saying it wrong.

[ewilen]

Can't agree with you, Keith. The kana for Southern Cross is サザンクロス which contains the same final syllables as Macross マクロス

If there's a way of distinguishing "long oh" and "short aw" in katakana, it doesn't appear in the word "Macross".

Edit: If they really wanted to specify a "long oh", they'd probably spell it マクロース

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/babel-site/jap2.htm

http://www.cjvlang.com/Writing/writsys/katakana4.html

Edited June 19, 2004 by ewilen

[Keith]

Can't agree with you, Keith. The kana for Southern Cross is サザンクロス which contains the same final syllables as Macross マクロス

If there's a way of distinguishing "long oh" and "short aw" in katakana, it doesn't appear in the word "Macross".

Edit: If they really wanted to specify a "long oh", they'd probably spell it マクロース

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/babel-site/jap2.htm

http://www.cjvlang.com/Writing/writsys/katakana4.html

You can dissagre with me all you like, but you're still wrong for doing so.

-SDF Macross TV (all characters pronunce it with the uppercase "O" sound

-DYRL (All characters pronunce it with the "O" sound"

-Plus, 7, etc.

When you couple that with the fact that kana is based on a latin set of grammatical & pronunciation rules as, "A" is pronunced "ah," "E" is pronunced "eh," "I" is pronunced "ee," "O" is pronunced "oh," and U is pronunced "oo." As such, if the name were pronunced with the lowercase o "boss" type sound, it would have kana equivilent to ma-ku-ra-su. That would also negate the gag with the tuna (ma-gu-ro)

As for southern cross, listen to the theme song, it too pronunces it southern ku-ro-su. But if you want to argue with how its spelled, pronunced in the original japanese audio (in all series/movies), etc, go right on ahead.

Ah, and before I forget, there's also the meaning behind the ships name itself, "Macro (large) Space Ship" i.e. "MACROSS."

Edited June 19, 2004 by Keith

[Gaijin]

Valid points all people. Tomayyyyto.....tomaaaaahhhto. I still can't believe you haoles say karaoke and arare wrong.

Edited June 19, 2004 by Gaijin

[eugimon]

can't we all just get along?

besides, it's pronounced: mack-ross

[Gideon Krieg]

Having watched the clip at RT.com, I do not see what has got some Robotech fans all riled up. I found the "Recliner of Rage" segment to be quite funny. It was obviously aimed at H.G.'s marketing techniques of the DVDs they sell and not at the Robotech series itself. Oh well, I guess some people get really defensive about the series they love.

Well, if you want to get technical its "MA-KU-RO-SU," but Macross (with the uppercase "O" sound) works just fine (again as in words such as hose, nose, post, etc), but yes, if you're pronuncing it with the lowercase "o" sound (moss, boss, toss) then you're saying it wrong.

Having checked my Japanese to English dictionary (by Nobuo Akiyama M.A., Instructor in Japanese, School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University, Washington D.C.). I must agree with Keith. MA-KU-RO-SU would be the correct way to say it. The "O" sound being like that found in words such as "boat", "hose", or "rose". The "U" sound can also be described as an "oo" sound like in the word "food". The "A" sound can be described as that found in the word "father".

As for the "Americanized version" well that's anybody's guess as to why H.G. corrupted it into Mah-cross. Personally I like the Japanese pronounciation. But, that is just me. To each his own, gentlemen.