Macross Zero # 4 shipped today!

[CoryHolmes]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero. The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

[Myriad]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero. The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

Me too!

Kind of like Enterprise..........

[Radd]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero. The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

Not really. While I'm really curious as to how the story is going to be wrapped up in the final episode I've really been digging what we've gotten so far. I am dissapointed in the lack of character developement, Shin being the only really well handled character in my opinion, with Roy getting the benefit of what we all already know about him, we just haven't seen that much of Edgar, Mao is alright and would probably be developed a lot better over the course of a longer series, Sera too. There's a lot of characters that look like they could be incredibly interesting that just don't get much screentime.

I'm a little worried about the pace of the story, only one more episode to wrap things up. If they can pull it off, then hats off to them.

I've loved the action sequences. Itano has been in top form. The overall action has a flow that is easy to appreciate at a glance, despite the speed, but because of the speed there's so much happening that you can appreciate something new with each viewing.

[bsu legato]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.

Not really bizarre, if you think about it. After all...you still like Robotech. Nuff said.

[wolfx]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.

Not really bizarre, if you think about it. After all...you still like Robotech. Nuff said.

oooh....

Talk about under the belt.

[Panon]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

No, not really.

For all Macross Plus' high points it can't be changed that as far as the Macross universe goes, it's a side story of little consequence.

Zero appears more than that, and I've personally been happy with the action. It's also undeniably the most beautifully animated Macross series made.

[Majestic]

Can't get the sound to work on the posted torrent download.

Is there a codec that will work?

[Fatalist]

try downloading the AC3 codec. simple google search will yeild it.

[joscasle]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

I like the action scenes, i think the scenes are great. The only think i think this series mising is the music.

You know, Macross is about action scenes, love triangules, mechas and music.

The original series have great music, DYRL have great music too, M+ too, even M7 have music as a central part of the history. Maross Zero don't have any music at all.

Thats my opinion!!

Edited June 1, 2004 by joscasle

[Radd]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

I like the action scenes, i think the scenes are great. The only think i think this series mising is the music.

You know, Macross is about action scenes, love triangules, mechas and music.

The original series have great music, DYRL have great music too, M+ too, even M7 have music as a central part of the history. Maross Zero don't have any music at all.

Thats my opinion!!

There's a couple songs I really, really like in the series, but not many. Music doesn't seem nearly as central to this series as any of the others.

[treatment]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

I like the action scenes, i think the scenes are great. The only think i think this series mising is the music.

You know, Macross is about action scenes, love triangules, mechas and music.

The original series have great music, DYRL have great music too, M+ too, even M7 have music as a central part of the history. Maross Zero don't have any music at all.

Thats my opinion!!

Oh, Zero has music all right.

It's just a different music than TV/DYRL and Plus.

It's more cultured and more apt.

And it's actually really good. This was after I actually didn't like the first Zero-OST at first listening.

[dna]

Still... waiting for... fan subs.... :dead smiley:

[justvinnie]

yes, where are the fan subs???

vinnie

[Dat Pinche Haro!]

Still... waiting for... fan subs.... :dead smiley:

you're not the only one

[RichterX]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

I like the action scenes, i think the scenes are great. The only think i think this series mising is the music.

You know, Macross is about action scenes, love triangules, mechas and music.

The original series have great music, DYRL have great music too, M+ too, even M7 have music as a central part of the history. Maross Zero don't have any music at all.

Thats my opinion!!

Oh, Zero has music all right.

It's just a different music than TV/DYRL and Plus.

It's more cultured and more apt.

And it's actually really good. This was after I actually didn't like the first Zero-OST at first listening.

music?

Doesn't Sara sing in French at the end of episode 2/ and begining of episode 3?

[mighty gorgon]

EOM

[newca]

Doesn't Sara sing in French at the end of episode 2/ and begining of episode 3?

yeah, I thought that is French too, anyone can confirm that? what that means?

[Renato]

Doesn't Sara sing in French at the end of episode 2/ and begining of episode 3?

yeah, I thought that is French too, anyone can confirm that? what that means?

Yes it's French.

Confirm what that means.. Hmm. Well, there are translations out there, if that's what you're looking for. Or did you mean what the significance is? I suppose French just sounded cool, much like the Pseudo-French in Macross Plus.

[newca]

Doesn't Sara sing in French at the end of episode 2/ and begining of episode 3?

yeah, I thought that is French too, anyone can confirm that? what that means?

Yes it's French.

Confirm what that means.. Hmm. Well, there are translations out there, if that's what you're looking for. Or did you mean what the significance is? I suppose French just sounded cool, much like the Pseudo-French in Macross Plus.

well, I mean both. translation and significance of using it. really sounds great

[treatment]

Doesn't Sara sing in French at the end of episode 2/ and begining of episode 3?

yeah, I thought that is French too, anyone can confirm that? what that means?

Yes it's French.

Confirm what that means.. Hmm. Well, there are translations out there, if that's what you're looking for. Or did you mean what the significance is? I suppose French just sounded cool, much like the Pseudo-French in Macross Plus.

well, I mean both. translation and significance of using it. really sounds great

Get the Infusion or AOne Macross-Zero fansubs for the song-translation of the song Arkan.

If you know french-language, the lyrics can be found at http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/macrosszero/arkan.htm

fwiw, I prefer the YanYan song.

Edited June 2, 2004 by treatment

[Hurricane29]

6 mins until I can watch.

[joscasle]

This is really quite bizzare, but I find myself with no desire to watch the final two episodes of Macross Zero.  The first three have done little to grab my attention or keep it, and I find the action scenes have none of the zip or suspence of Macross Plus.

Anyone else feel this way?

I like the action scenes, i think the scenes are great. The only think i think this series mising is the music.

You know, Macross is about action scenes, love triangules, mechas and music.

The original series have great music, DYRL have great music too, M+ too, even M7 have music as a central part of the history. Maross Zero don't have any music at all.

Thats my opinion!!

There's a couple songs I really, really like in the series, but not many. Music doesn't seem nearly as central to this series as any of the others.

Thats what I mean!!

[UN Spacy]

Yikes! I'm suprise the ANBU/ANIMEONE version isn't out yet......I don't remember them taking long LAST time. :dunno:

[McKlown]

Yeah, didn't one of the groups (Infusion?) have episode 3 out the day after release?

[treatment]

png-snap from the R2. converted to jpg for filesize.

[treatment]

another one. next frame, i think. more details.

[Panon]

Yeah, didn't one of the groups (Infusion?) have episode 3 out the day after release?

Infusion are dead/inactive at the moment though, and both Aone and Anbu are doing a number of other projects so they're likely busy.

Aone/Anbu will still do it, it's just a matter of being patient.

[Sundown]

You do realize that the current western ideas of how old someone must be to be an adult are actually very recent in the scheme of things. Take a step back to Civil War era America and people were still getting married and having kids at 14.

The idea of an age when people magically become adults is entirely in our heads.

And please, don't even try to justify it by saying "people live longer now than they did back then!" Living longer has not retarded our ability to mature mentally or physically. Society, on the other hand, is determined to do just that.

Also, not all cultures are like minded with our ideals of what constitutes an adult, or at what age people should be engaged in such and such activities. It is very ethnocentric to believe otherwise.

That's a nice argument. But the reality is that it wouldn't stand very long in court, here or in Japan (I'd think) in cases involving sex with minors. And that argument doesn't begin to make barely-teens-as-sexual-objects resound as acceptable or justifiable in most modern folks' minds. Not that I think M0 Ep 4 is kiddie porn, as I haven't seen it yet.

Just because it's possible to label something most of society sees as divergent as being "a relatively new, modern, and western idea" doesn't justify it or excuse it under the brush of moral and cultural relativity.

The age of sexual and emotional maturity is entirely in our heads. Sure. So's anything else that has to do with "morality", standards, and acceptable behavior, really. And at the risk of sounding like a bigot or some ig'nant Westerner-- just because some other culture that allows for sex with small children, multiple partners and wives, and condones what we would consider incest-- doesn't make it automatically healthy and acceptable if only we were open minded enough to cast off our "Western" inhibitions and if we were only able to see things from their perspective. And it doesn't make one ethnocentric saying so.

I imagine there's plenty things wrong with Western culture from the eyes of other civilizations. And you know what? They'd probably be right on plenty counts.

Lastly, while the case can be tenuously made that the decision to have sex lies largely with the individual, and different cultures allow for different ages where that decision is respected and considered valid--

Depictions of young individuals engaging in sexually related activity have nearly nothing to do with standards on at what ages humans should partake in certain behavior. It has almost everything to do with facination of and fixation on semi-children of that age as sexual objects, usually by individuals many years removed.

That's what creeps me out, but I'm just a ig'nant and ethnocentric Westerner.

-Al

[Radd]

You do realize that the current western ideas of how old someone must be to be an adult are actually very recent in the scheme of things. Take a step back to Civil War era America and people were still getting married and having kids at 14.

The idea of an age when people magically become adults is entirely in our heads.

And please, don't even try to justify it by saying "people live longer now than they did back then!" Living longer has not retarded our ability to mature mentally or physically. Society, on the other hand, is determined to do just that.

Also, not all cultures are like minded with our ideals of what constitutes an adult, or at what age people should be engaged in such and such activities. It is very ethnocentric to believe otherwise.

That's a nice argument. But the reality is that it wouldn't stand very long in court, here or in Japan (I'd think) in cases involving sex with minors. And that argument doesn't begin to make barely-teens-as-sexual-objects resound as acceptable or justifiable in most modern folks' minds. Not that I think M0 Ep 4 is kiddie porn, as I haven't seen it yet.

Just because it's possible to label something most of society sees as divergent as being "a relatively new, modern, and western idea" doesn't justify it or excuse it under the brush of moral and cultural relativity.

The age of sexual and emotional maturity is entirely in our heads. Sure. So's anything else that has to do with "morality", standards, and acceptable behavior, really. And at the risk of sounding like a bigot or some ig'nant Westerner-- just because some other culture that allows for sex with small children, multiple partners and wives, and condones what we would consider incest-- doesn't make it automatically healthy and acceptable if only we were open minded enough to cast off our "Western" inhibitions and if we were only able to see things from their perspective. And it doesn't make one ethnocentric saying so.

I imagine there's plenty things wrong with Western culture from the eyes of other civilizations. And you know what? They'd probably be right on plenty counts.

Lastly, while the case can be tenuously made that the decision to have sex lies largely with the individual, and different cultures allow for different ages where that decision is respected and considered valid--

Depictions of young individuals engaging in sexually related activity have nearly nothing to do with standards on at what ages humans should partake in certain behavior. It has almost everything to do with facination of and fixation on semi-children of that age as sexual objects, usually by individuals many years removed.

That's what creeps me out, but I'm just a ig'nant and ethnocentric Westerner.

-Al

You wouldn't see me argue otherwise. However, a few things I'd like to point out.

You bring up sexual situations with barely teens as the primary focus of your idea of "kiddie porn". At the risk of giving a spoiler, there are no sexual situations in Macross Zero episode 4.

And a bit of counterpoint. Just because some cultures abhor multiple wives, women experiencing any sort of pleasure during the act of sex, sex with those they consider 'minors' despite physical and mental maturity, sex with a partner of another race, or sex with a partner of the same gender, or sex using birth control, does not does not automatically make it unhealthy or unnacceptable to other cultures.

As for whether or not such believes make one ethnocentric, I would argue that you're wrong and saying such things would make one ethnocentric if they were speaking of another culture. However, I think taking that as a completely negative thing is missing the point. It's not an insult to point out ethnocentric beliefs. I hold many, myself. Nor does it mean the person holding those ideas should change them. Being insulted by such a statement is like a black person getting offended because someone points out that they are indeed black.

You're right that there's plenty wrong with western culture from other perspectives, but I think it's also completely valid to say there's plenty wrong with other cultures from a western perspective. I think it goes further than that, as many hold their own personal set of values that may or may not correspond with those around them.

To put things in another perspective, Western society's view of such things is still continually changing. Child porn is still any porn featuring those under the age of 18, though the age of consent is still younger than that in some states. In some states, people are by law not allowed to purchase pornographic material until the age of 21, despite being old enough to legally consent to the activites depicted wherein at 18. There are many who believe any depictions of nudity are pornographic, hence you get petitions to cover up the statue of David lest some individual below the legal age of adulthood sees it. There are also areas of the country where some sexual acts are legal and others illegal, while in the privacy of your own home. To see any of this as "right" or "wrong" is an ethnocentric stand, your own cultural beliefs leading you to a moral decision about another culture.

To not make a "moral judgement" at all would be the only way to not be ethnocentric. To simply know there's cultural differences that vary from your own, and accept that.

Of course, we're only human. We're taught "right" and "wrong" from an early age, and we hate to believe those teachings might be innacurate in any way.

Grok?

On a side note, when I was in elementary school, they still taught us that the Brontosaurus was a real dinosaur.

[arrow]

when are the last 2 episodes scheduled to come out anyway? i'm waiting for the show to finish till i watch it.

[Graham]

when are the last 2 episodes scheduled to come out anyway? i'm waiting for the show to finish till i watch it.

There is only one more episode to come as it's 5 episodes total.

No firm date has been given for episode # 5 yet, but based on the length of time between release of the previous episodes, most people think it will be released in November 2004.

Graham

[Graham]

On a side note, when I was in elementary school, they still taught us that the Brontosaurus was a real dinosaur.

What, you mean it's NOT real?

Graham

[Renato]

On a side note, when I was in elementary school, they still taught us that the Brontosaurus was a real dinosaur.

What, you mean it's NOT real?

Graham

I think it's a general dumbed-down umbrella-term for the Diplodocus, Brachiosaurus, etc. type of dinosaur. In any case it is, strictly speaking, not correct terminology and you'd never hear any paleontologists talking about one.

[Akilae]

On a side note, when I was in elementary school, they still taught us that the Brontosaurus was a real dinosaur.

What, you mean it's NOT real?

Graham

I think it's a general dumbed-down umbrella-term for the Diplodocus, Brachiosaurus, etc. type of dinosaur. In any case it is, strictly speaking, not correct terminology and you'd never hear any paleontologists talking about one.

Aren't they called apatosaurus' these days?

[Radd]

Actually, someone stuck the wrong head on a headless skeleton and called it the brontosaurus.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/brontosaurus.html

Up until at least I was in school, wich was during the 80's and 90's, they were still teaching us that it was a real dinosaur.

If you tell enough people something, they will believe it. Sooner or later, the fact that people believe what they've been told becomes more important than the truth.