Keith Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Here's an interesting bit of info posted over at the animeigo mailing list. Those who've followed some of my Eva discussions over ther years, and or other assorted participants, may find this interesting. from the Eva ML. Good reading IMO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Jamieson" <bjamieson1@yahoo.com> To: <bochan@r4.dion.ne.jp>; "The english-language evangelion mailing list." <evangelion@eva.onegeek.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:15 AM Subject: [EVA] The Secrets of Evangelion (Eva2 4 PS2) : I don't think this was posted here yet... At least, I : didn't see it (which may not be saying much). : : ==== From GameFAQs forum: post regarding the "secrets" : revealed in Evangelion 2 for PS2 game. The "Notes" are : the original author's.. mine are in ( ) : : Eva 01 : : - It's once again confirmed here that Eva 01 does : indeed contain Yui's soul. Also, SEELE consider having : Shinji as its pilot a danger to them, for Gendo has : his own purpose for it. : : Yui : : - Yui is the daughter of a powerful member of SEELE, : and she knows about SEELE's plans. This is why Gendo : deliberately wants to get close to her. (Keel? -b) : : Gendo : : - It's again confirmed that Gendo's ultimate plan for : human complementation project is to meet Yui, and that : he did graft Adam onto his hand for this purpose. : : Human Complementation project : : - It's a project to elevate humans into a being close : to gods. S2 unit is the "base" of god, and Evas are : the "body" of god. Once the human souls are merged : into them both, and our "last natural enemy", the fail : safe device Longinus spear is destroyed, nothing then : can stop the process of the complementation. SEELE : consider themselves superior humans and our "guides" : for completing such process. : : NOTE : This is very interesting info, particularly : that the Longinus spear can be considered a fail safe : device that may be used to stop the complementation. : It could be the reason how Shinji is able to reject : it, since the spear is merged with Eva 01. : : AT field : : - It's confirmed here that when AT field is being : expanded into infinite, humans will revert into LCL. : ie. A being close to god considered by SEELE. : : Angels : : - Angels are Adam based life forms, where humans are : Lilith based life forms. It's said here that a planet : cannot handle 2 kinds of life forms. It's described : that the Angel's actions are basically survival : instincts. Some with purpose to access with Lilith, : which will "reset" all life (thus give them rooms to : start over? not sure exactly what this means), some : with purpose to retrieve their own "creator" Adam, and : some just don't think about anything. Overall, Angels : are sent to ensure the survival of Adam based life : forms on Earth. : Note : Extremely interesting bit......finally shed : some lights to angel's mysterious actions. : : (As thought, the Angels are working mostly on their : own accord. There's no unity amongst them except that : they're "Angels". They're just aliens. -b) : : The First Ancestor Civilization : : - This is the "being" that created Angels (and : humans). : - It's described that they are "aliens" which spread : their "seeds of life" throughout the galaxy, for what : purposes or reasons are unknown today. It's said that : it's pure "bad luck" that there are 2 seeds spread on : the same planet, which results the conflict between : Adam based and Lilith based life forms. The 2 seeds : are white moon (Adam) and black moon (Lilith) : : - The first ancestors are able to make a moon like, : hallow carrier of life, and able to send it across the : universe. With such technology, the first ancestors : are considered as gods to both humans and angels. : : NOTE : By far the most interesting bit of all files, : the creators actually went towards a more Sci Fi : explanation here......certainly gives us more to think : about. : : ====================================================== : : Nothing terribly new really, imho. Mostly extensions : of things we already know. Although the seemingly.. : very overt.. alien explanations are a little.. weird : to me. :\ : : -brendan : -- : Evangelion mailing list - To unsubscribe, visit : http://eva.onegeek.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/evangelion I've been saying much of this for years. It's nice to finally have some of it backed up by Anno & Gainax in official words. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 interesting read, thanks for sharing. it is nice to have a proper explanation, as for the seed thing, its an interesting take on the whole invasion thing, which now technically isn't invasion, its, uhm.. civil war?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I think i preferred it mystical instead of sci-fi. Now they have every reason to make a sequel based on ANOTHER planet WITH weird funky alien designs ala Gunbuster 2. : Yui : : - Yui is the daughter of a powerful member of SEELE, : and she knows about SEELE's plans. This is why Gendo : deliberately wants to get close to her. (Keel? -b) : : Gendo : : - It's again confirmed that Gendo's ultimate plan for : human complementation project is to meet Yui, and that : he did graft Adam onto his hand for this purpose. : I don't get this part. Why did Gendo wanted to be in SEELE? Because he wanted to know how to initiate human instrumentality. How did he do this? He used Yui to bring him into the society. Yui faced an accident that got her intergrated into EVA-01. Intentional? Debatable. But if Gendou wanted to initiate instrumentality because he wanted to meet Yui....why get into SEELE in the 1s place? This doesn't make any sense. PS: Did they confirm that Kaji was killed by Seele agents and not Misato as depicted by the manga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Everything sounds right. I never understood why people thought otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 I think i preferred it mystical instead of sci-fi. Now they have every reason to make a sequel based on ANOTHER planet WITH weird funky alien designs ala Gunbuster 2. This was always what was intended. Evangelion was never supposed to be mystical at all. I don't get this part. Why did Gendo wanted to be in SEELE? Because he wanted to know how to initiate human instrumentality. How did he do this? He used Yui to bring him into the society. Gendo's initial motives were power. Once getting invovled with Yui & Seele, he fell in love with Yui, and his obsession with power tranfered to an obsession with her. Yui faced an accident that got her intergrated into EVA-01. Intentional? Debatable. Intentional/confirmed. Watch the DC, Death, or EoE, in all Yui states her intent was to join with Unit-01 all along, so that she could ensure a future for humanity no matter what the outcome of Third Impact was. But if Gendou wanted to initiate instrumentality because he wanted to meet Yui....why get into SEELE in the 1s place? This doesn't make any sense. Like I said, Gendo originally wanted power, then got sidetracked by Yui. After her "death," his focus changed to both helping her attain her goal, and to become a god as well so that he could remain with her. PS: Did they confirm that Kaji was killed by Seele agents and not Misato as depicted by the manga? If they implied Misato killed Kaji in the manga, then that's yet one more reason not to waste time with the manga version. Anno himself officially stated that Misato did not kill Kaji, after being surprised that fans would believe such a thing. Seele clearly state their intent to kill Kaji, and it was handled by the MIB style Nerv section 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) Thanks Keith. You made me sound like an Eva n00b there. I dunno, i always considered EVA to be mystical, not "Aliens are God" kinda show. Now, what would be the purpose for Human Instrumentality Project in the "Alien God" perspective? Cause its widely accepted that instrumentality to reach a "higher plain of existence" which is all well and good in a mystical view....but sci-fi...i dunno. And how would you explain the fate of the human race , since Shinji rejected instrumentality? And what's wrong with the manga? Isn't it better than the anime? Edited May 27, 2004 by wolfx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scand Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) I've a question too! During Shinji's battle with Kaworu, There is a scene that cut's to Rei. I think, Misato or Ristuko makes a comment about detecting another AT field. What was the significance of that? I'm having a hard time following this Kaworu = Rei thing. Edited May 27, 2004 by scand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) No no, the manga explicitly shows you that it was not Misato that shot Kaji. It was a gloved hand with a sighted revolver. Random agent, or could even have been Gendo. We'll know when Gendo shoots Ritsuko, and see what gun he uses. The manga version is awesome. There are tons more character development in the manga. They talk to each other more. Even Rei is starting to open up to Shinji some. Lots of good character moments. Which is what the show is really about IMO: the characters. How they deal with themselves and with each other through all the chaos of the defeating the angels backdrop. The only thing that was news to me in thise tidbits above was Yui's being a daughter of a Seele member. Which is interesting to learn, and easily explains her involvement with that group from as young as she was. They never say any names of the others outside of Kiel, and only show a couple of them during the "instrumentality commitee" meetings. Remember, Yui was more the driving force of the project in the beginning, beyond Gendo. She was by no means innocent in her involvement. Yes, like said above, Gendo's original purpose was just as Seele planned, for power. After Yui's "accident" his focus shifted towards being with her again, and third impact was his avenue to facilitate that, so he modifed Seele's plan to get what he wanted. His intent on embedding Adam into his hand was to then to fuse with Rei, and then Lilith. So there would have been a Lilith-Gendo basically, instead of Lilith-Rei. Thankfully Rei caught him by surprize and directed 3rd impact herself, and would give Shinji the choice ultimately on what would happen from there. As for the Rei/Kaworu thing Rei is derived from a combination of Yui and Lilith. This way she can act as a bridge to join Adam and Lilith together. The keymaster so to speak. She has her own AT field like Kaworu, though she herself isn't aware of what she can fully do. Before Rei II self destructs unit 00, the angel tells her she is afraid of what her true form actually is. That if things continue, will she be able to remain human. A key fear for her. Kaworu is similar to her, but born from Adam instead on 2nd impact as the 17th, and was in Seele's keep. Seele's Eva-05 series ran off of dummy plugs based on him. Edited May 27, 2004 by Anubis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Thanks Keith. You made me sound like an Eva n00b there. I dunno, i always considered EVA to be mystical, not "Aliens are God" kinda show. Now, what would be the purpose for Human Instrumentality Project in the "Alien God" perspective? Cause its widely accepted that instrumentality to reach a "higher plain of existence" which is all well and good in a mystical view....but sci-fi...i dunno. And how would you explain the fate of the human race , since Shinji rejected instrumentality? I've said it once and I'll say it again: Evangelion is a mecha show, people!!! "Ascending to a higher existence" has been a big part of SF for years; for examples, theres Greg Bears "Blood Music", Arthur C. Clarkes "Childhoods End", Alfred Besters "Tiger, Tiger!" (aka "The Stars My Destination")... what does seem odd about it is that it seems to be an attempt to rationalize a series that seems to want to be mystical and mysterious with a SF explanation...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) : The First Ancestor Civilization :: - This is the "being" that created Angels (and : humans). : - It's described that they are "aliens" which spread : their "seeds of life" throughout the galaxy, for what : purposes or reasons are unknown today. It's said that : it's pure "bad luck" that there are 2 seeds spread on : the same planet, which results the conflict between : Adam based and Lilith based life forms. The 2 seeds : are white moon (Adam) and black moon (Lilith) : : - The first ancestors are able to make a moon like, : hallow carrier of life, and able to send it across the : universe. With such technology, the first ancestors : are considered as gods to both humans and angels. For some reason the first thing I heard in my head while reading that part was... PRO-TO-CUL-TURE Edited May 27, 2004 by Druna Skass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scand Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Thanks for the info! What are some good online EVA resources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That NOS Guy Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 For some reason the first thing I heard in my head while reading that part was...PRO-TO-CUL-TURE Yeah, I had the exact same thought. Though, not really any of this was news outside of the previosuly discussed Yui matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J A Dare Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 For some reason the first thing I heard in my head while reading that part was...PRO-TO-CUL-TURE ditto. Nothing really new to me, just embellished more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 For some reason the first thing I heard in my head while reading that part was...PRO-TO-CUL-TURE Protoculture indeed! Though actually I was thinking about something else... a fanfiction I wrote a while ago. 2001 anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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