Macross Cannons

[The_Major]

Does anyone have any specific, official information on the Macross cannons from Macross II?

[azrael]

There is no official specs on any mecha for MII. However, there are production notes in the following books:

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/mac2_eb_mac2.htm

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/mac_2_tia.htm

They may be of use to you.

[Gideon Krieg]

Does anyone have any specific, official information on the Macross cannons from Macross II?

Unfortunately, the Macross deck plans volume 1, done by Pod9, are the only source of info on the Macross Cannon I know of. I say Unfortunately because the size of the Macross Cannon in the OAVs is much, much, greater than Seimbeida's stats. My RPG buddies and I have had many a discussion about ol Kev Seimbeida, when it comes to Macross spacecraft (like the Oberth), we feel he must have "blinked" or has some type of "depth perception" disorder. The size of the Tou Redirs in front of the Macross Cannons (not to mention the four Nupertiet Vergnitzs attached to it) give a clue to its massive size.

I estimate it to be around 8000 to 10,000 meters in length.

I too would like to see some actual official data on this craft and all the Macross 2 craft.

[MAXXxxx]

Does anyone have any specific, official information on the Macross cannons from Macross II?

Unfortunately, the Macross deck plans volume 1, done by Pod9, are the only source of info on the Macross Cannon I know of. I say Unfortunately because the size of the Macross Cannon in the OAVs is much, much, greater than Seimbeida's stats. My RPG buddies and I have had many a discussion about ol Kev Seimbeida, when it comes to Macross spacecraft (like the Oberth), we feel he must have "blinked" or has some type of "depth perception" disorder. The size of the Tou Redirs in front of the Macross Cannons (not to mention the four Nupertiet Vergnitzs attached to it) give a clue to its massive size.

I estimate it to be around 8000 to 10,000 meters in length.

I too would like to see some actual official data on this craft and all the Macross 2 craft.

Yep, the Macross2 / Robotech RPG is totally mistaken in a lot of things.

as for the Cannon I'd say the 4 'arm' are actually zentran flagships (or at least the shape and size compare)

but 8-10km is too large too, I!d say somewhere between 4-7km.

[Druna Skass]

Either way, that thing is packing some serious heat...

[Radd]

Does anyone have any specific, official information on the Macross cannons from Macross II?

Unfortunately, the Macross deck plans volume 1, done by Pod9, are the only source of info on the Macross Cannon I know of. I say Unfortunately because the size of the Macross Cannon in the OAVs is much, much, greater than Seimbeida's stats. My RPG buddies and I have had many a discussion about ol Kev Seimbeida, when it comes to Macross spacecraft (like the Oberth), we feel he must have "blinked" or has some type of "depth perception" disorder. The size of the Tou Redirs in front of the Macross Cannons (not to mention the four Nupertiet Vergnitzs attached to it) give a clue to its massive size.

I estimate it to be around 8000 to 10,000 meters in length.

I too would like to see some actual official data on this craft and all the Macross 2 craft.

Yep, the Macross2 / Robotech RPG is totally mistaken in a lot of things.

as for the Cannon I'd say the 4 'arm' are actually zentran flagships (or at least the shape and size compare)

but 8-10km is too large too, I!d say somewhere between 4-7km.

I'm still not sold on the idea that those are Nupertiet Vergnitzs attached to the Macross Cannon. They had a decidedly Earth-style design to them, like what a Nupertiet Vergnitzs would look like if built by humans. I'm thinking that the Macross Cannons are entirely Earth based designs, with a bit of the Zentradi tossed in because it looks freakin' cool.

Still, you're quite right. The Macross Cannons are massive in the animation. Certainly much larger than what Palladium said they were.

It has always amazed me to no end just how bad Palladium is with size stats, even in cases when they seemed to be in possession of official stats.

[Aurel Tristen]

Bandai Entertainment Bible #51 does state that the gigantic-sized space battleship Macross Cannons are made up of Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Zjentohlauedy battleships (each which are 4000m in length) so that would make the Macross Cannons about 6000+ meter in length. Also you can see a size comparison of the Zjentohlauedy picket ship in front the bow of one of the Macross Cannon in the screen capture I took below:

[dna]

Bandai Entertainment Bible #51 does state that the gigantic-sized space battleship Macross Cannons are made up of Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Zjentohlauedy battleships (each which are 4000m in length) so that would make the Macross Cannons about 6000+ meter in length. Also you can see a size comparison of the Zjentohlauedy picket ship in front the bow of one of the Macross Cannon in the screen capture I took below:

*snip*

Nice - I have wondered...

[Druna Skass]

Does anyone have screens of the Gloria and Heracles ships? I wonder how big those ship really are too, I find it hard to belive they're about the size of the Archangel from SEED.

Edited May 19, 2004 by Druna Skass

[Godzilla]

Either way, that thing is packing some serious heat...

No kidding. I wouldnt mind having them in my fleet!

[Anubis]

Bandai Entertainment Bible #51 does state that the gigantic-sized space battleship Macross Cannons are made up of Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Zjentohlauedy battleships (each which are 4000m in length) so that would make the Macross Cannons about 6000+ meter in length. Also you can see a size comparison of the Zjentohlauedy picket ship in front the bow of one of the Macross Cannon in the screen capture I took below:

That is one big damn ship. They still do look like human versions of that flagship class though.

Edited May 19, 2004 by Anubis

[Gideon Krieg]

Hey guys, what class of ship is the one in the lower right hand corner of Nanashi's pic, just under the Thuverl Salan?

Mabe my eyes are deceiving me but, it looks like some type of ARMD.

I also noticed both the UN Spacy frigate and Rinadow Lojimuin type Zentraedi gundestroyers.

Does anyone know why the boys at Palladium failed to add the Rindadow gundestroyer/monitor?

Oh, how stupid of me, Kev must of blinked.

[Druna Skass]

I also noticed both the UN Spacy frigate and Rinadow Lojimuin type Zentraedi gundestroyers.

Eh? Where?

[Gideon Krieg]

Okay Druna Skass lets navigate the pic to find the Rindadow.

Start at the left most main cannon of the Macross cannon.

Then go down from the right "spike" of the left main cannon (neupertiet looking boom section) towards the ass end of the Quiltra Qeluel landing ship/tank. Just to the left of the Quiltra Qeluel's hind is what looks like either a Rindadow or the UN Spacy Zentraedi looking frigate. If it is the UN Spacy frigate from Macross 2 (the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7), then this craft is much larger than the Palladium stats also.

The other Rinadow looking ship is right above the hiney of the right most Macross cannon (you can only see the leg/main engine sections).

This painting was obviously done to emphasize the Macross Cannon, many of the Zetran escorts look sort of mutated.

There are an awful lot of Thuverl looking Tou Redirs and Tou Redir looking Thuverls. Which is fine with me, gives it class.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

That is one big damn ship. They still do look like human versions of that flagship class though.

Yeah, they look way too 'square'at the prow compared to the one Britai was using.

But that could be just due to animation variations rather then intent.

[Druna Skass]

(the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7),

Ah OK, I was trying to find a Northampton ship...

[Druna Skass]

Does anyone have a screen shot of that thing in attack mode?

[Aurel Tristen]

Hey guys, what class of ship is the one in the lower right hand corner of Nanashi's pic, just under the Thuverl Salan?

Mabe my eyes are deceiving me but, it looks like some type of ARMD.

I also noticed both the UN Spacy frigate and Rinadow Lojimuin type Zentraedi gundestroyers.

Does anyone know why the boys at Palladium failed to add the Rindadow gundestroyer/monitor?

Oh, how stupid of me, Kev must of blinked.

It has not been identified. I don't think its an ARMD Space Carrier

There is no such thing as a "Rindadow gundestroyer/monitor". I think you must mean the Zjentohlauedy medium-scale gun destroyer.

That ship wasn't in the DYRL ship size chart, yet is seen in the movie.

I took care to put together this updated size chart for Zjentohlauedy ships.

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...uedy-sizes.html

[Aurel Tristen]

Okay Druna Skass lets navigate the pic to find the Rindadow.

Start at the left most main cannon of the Macross cannon.

Then go down from the right "spike" of the left main cannon (neupertiet looking boom section) towards the ass end of the Quiltra Qeluel landing ship/tank. Just to the left of the Quiltra Qeluel's hind is what looks like either a Rindadow or the UN Spacy Zentraedi looking frigate. If it is the UN Spacy frigate from Macross 2 (the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7), then this craft is much larger than the Palladium stats also.

The other Rinadow looking ship is right above the hiney of the right most Macross cannon (you can only see the leg/main engine sections).

This painting was obviously done to emphasize the Macross Cannon, many of the Zetran escorts look sort of mutated.

There are an awful lot of Thuverl looking Tou Redirs and Tou Redir looking Thuverls. Which is fine with me, gives it class.

Just a few corrections....

Palladium and other Macross RPGers have really messed up stuff on Macross II

"... the UN Spacy Zentraedi looking frigate. If it is the UN Spacy frigate from Macross 2 (the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7), then this craft is much larger than the Palladium stats also."

That's not a frigate or a corvette etc....

its the U. N. Spacy's Standard Battleship (Macross II)

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...battleship.html

Also: "Bolognese Stealth Frigate" is correct while Northhampton is not(Macross 7).

[JB0]

That is one big damn ship.  They still do look like human versions of that flagship class though.

Yeah, they look way too 'square'at the prow compared to the one Britai was using.

But that could be just due to animation variations rather then intent.

Could be a variant of the vessel.

[Gideon Krieg]

It has not been identified. I don't think its an ARMD Space Carrier

There is no such thing as a "Rindadow gundestroyer/monitor". I think you must mean the Zjentohlauedy medium-scale gun destroyer.

That ship wasn't in the DYRL ship size chart, yet is seen in the movie.

I took care to put together this updated size chart for Zjentohlauedy ships.

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...uedy-sizes.html

*bows down with respect*

Thank you Nanashi for correcting my ignorance. There is very little information available here in the US about Macross 2, except from the Palladium RPG books.

Just a few corrections....

Palladium and other Macross RPGers have really messed up stuff on Macross II

"... the UN Spacy Zentraedi looking frigate. If it is the UN Spacy frigate from Macross 2 (the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7), then this craft is much larger than the Palladium stats also."

That's not a frigate or a corvette etc....

its the U. N. Spacy's Standard Battleship (Macross II)

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...battleship.html

*bows down again with respect*

Thank you for providing such an informative website, the information there is far better than anything have seen prior to it.

Again I stand corrected. The UN Spacy standard battleship looks quite impressive.

[Druna Skass]

Guessing that battleship is around 2000-3000m or so...

Edited May 21, 2004 by Druna Skass

[Aurel Tristen]

It has not been identified. I don't think its an ARMD Space Carrier

There is no such thing as a "Rindadow gundestroyer/monitor". I think you must mean the Zjentohlauedy medium-scale gun destroyer.

That ship wasn't in the DYRL ship size chart, yet is seen in the movie.

I took care to put together this updated size chart for Zjentohlauedy ships.

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...uedy-sizes.html

*bows down with respect*

Thank you Nanashi for correcting my ignorance. There is very little information available here in the US about Macross 2, except from the Palladium RPG books.

Just a few corrections....

Palladium and other Macross RPGers have really messed up stuff on Macross II

"... the UN Spacy Zentraedi looking frigate. If it is the UN Spacy frigate from Macross 2 (the one that is Zentraedi like, not the Northhampton type from M7), then this craft is much larger than the Palladium stats also."

That's not a frigate or a corvette etc....

its the U. N. Spacy's Standard Battleship (Macross II)

See: http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...battleship.html

*bows down again with respect*

Thank you for providing such an informative website, the information there is far better than anything have seen prior to it.

Again I stand corrected. The UN Spacy standard battleship looks quite impressive.

LOL that's not necessary.... I just want people to know the truth.

[Panon]

Does anyone have a screen shot of that thing in attack mode?

[dna]

That thing is big... How many did they have in the fleet?

[Boxer]

That one's nice!

Here's another;

I belive the Macross Cannons were built out of parts manufactured from the captured factory sattelite. It would explain why they look Zentran, but perhaps they were slightly modified in the assembly line for better performance? Besides you don't need to complete the hulls if you're going to build a bigger ship out of it.

I wonder if these things have fold drives...

[Druna Skass]

That thing is big... How many did they have in the fleet?

Judging from the comic books, at least six...

Four were destroyed defending Earth and two were used by Nexx to fire on Inguss's ship about the same time Feff rebelled.

Edited May 24, 2004 by Druna Skass

[Malicious Gash]

That thing is massive... Wounder if the main cannons fire a seperate blast or if all four cannons create one big particle gun.

[Druna Skass]

That thing is massive... Wounder if the main cannons fire a seperate blast or if all four cannons create one big particle gun.

Judging from the comic book it was one giant blast...

Thing is in the comic book they depicted those Thuverl-Salan look alikes as having heavy parcticle beam cannons.

[Boxer]

Well if those ARE four seperate flagship hulls then they SHOULD fire independantly.

Then again this is the Macross that had leg parts and the ARMDs necissary to fire the main particle beam, which IMO is not cannon.

[Aurel Tristen]

For your information:

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...rosscannon.html

[Gideon Krieg]

Fabulous Nanashi, thank you.

So the four cannons are actually Zentraedi flagships/battleships. Whoa!

[Radd]

I still say that they must be either rebuilt, or built from scratch using a mix of Zentradi and Earth technology, as just looking at them you can see the difference. They look less organic and more mechanicle, as per Earth asthetics.

[Druna Skass]

I wonder if this thing could set it's guns to single fire, instead of fireing all at once. Imagine a rapid-fire heavy particle beam gun platform...

[Aurel Tristen]

I wonder if this thing could set it's guns to single fire, instead of fireing all at once. Imagine a rapid-fire heavy particle beam gun platform...

Rapid fire? lol

We are talking about charging super dimesion energy cannons here.... ^^;;