1/48 Milia VF-1J Quality Poll

[Hurin]

Hi people. Please vote only if you actually own one!

[Godzilla]

To the guy who voted that he/she felt ripped off, I will be more than willing to take it off your hands.

Anyways, to each their own. If ppl want to complain, they do it.

[Mechamaniac]

With a limited number of polls available per forum, couldn't these have been combined into one?

[Hurin]

With a limited number of polls available per forum, couldn't these have been combined into one?

As I said in the identical post in the other poll. . .

Considering they are two different valks and some are saying that the Milia is worse than the Max. . . uh, no. 

[Mechamaniac]

and as I said....

But they aren't really that different, one is blue, the other red. They are inexorably linked and always will be, so why take up all the poll spots, especially when your poll choices are exactly the same.

[Hurin]

If it wasn't worth two polls. Why is it worth posting your concerns about it in both threads?

Please take it over here.

Edited May 9, 2004 by Hurin

[do not disturb]

the millia QC is borderline MPC steez.

nuff said as i have said all i can say about this.

[DrClay]

THIS is the rare "legit" reason for a poll? for TWO polls?! I hope three or so more "What should I buy" polls pop up so that these go away...

[Hurin]

THIS is the rare "legit" reason for a poll? for TWO polls?! I hope three or so more "What should I buy" polls pop up so that these go away...

Doesn't really seem worth a new response, so I'll answer you the same way I did in the other poll. . . since you found it necessary to go off twice.

Uh, these polls are here as a direct result of those threads.  Since, reading those subjective rants and opinions might give someone a skewed idea of how the Max is really considered among those who own it.  I know that I was beginning to think that everyone really did hate it.  But the poll shows differently.

Reading the threads, I think a lot of people would get the impression that the Max is just terrible.  Yet 80% so far are satisfied or better.

As for a debate about them being lame?  I don't see one.  Just you.  And Mechamechanic wondering if two were necessary.  And they were.

H

[EXO]

I finally had a chance to open my Miria 1:48 after weeks of leaving it a box... (remember the days of opening the boxes before you even step into your house?) I gotta say the paint quality is the same. It's always been fuzzy in some areas. The only reason you're noticing it now is because the toy is not predominantly white (or one color gray, in te LV's case.) So to me, the paint job quality is consistent. It's seems the joints are tighter also. The only thing I've seen that isn't right is the fact that everytime I shut the airbrakes, it becomes unhinged... but it's a hell of a lot tighter, which to me is a good trade off. I rather not open it at all rather than it opening itself. Well that's from 5 minutes of handling, and so far I'm happy... I'm going to transform and mess with it a little more.

[EXO]

OK... this is where it gets retarded....

[Zentrandude]

I can tell you why. they make more money when you buy the first one and the later 2nd version with all the fixes.

And I hope yammato does put out a 2nd version which I would gladly buy.

[Toonz]

yes i do own a millia and my only complain is that her right foot does not have that clicking sound.....why

[Blaine23]

I can tell you why. they make more money when you buy the first one and the later 2nd version with all the fixes.

And I hope yammato does put out a 2nd version which I would gladly buy.

That's just silly.

I'm fairly certain Yamato doesn't "sabotage" releases in order to get you to buy a "fixed" version. Y'know... it's crap like that that makes me believe Yamato has got to have the most retarted fanbase on Earth. They go to the trouble to fix mistakes on later releases and they're accused of screwing them up in the first place to make more dough?

They make mistakes... at least they do try to correct them when possible.

And as far as waiting for a second release on Max & Millia... start holding your breath now and we'll all watch as you turn so many pretty shades of blue. I doubt you'll see a reissue, for the simple reason that because of the price, these won't sell near as many units as the first 2 1/48's.

[EXO]

So is it just me that got that white fin? I haven't been keeping up with te bitching threads.

[Zentrandude]

I can tell you why. they make more money when you buy the first one and the later 2nd version with all the fixes.

And I hope yammato does put out a 2nd version which I would gladly buy.

That's just silly.

I'm fairly certain Yamato doesn't "sabotage" releases in order to get you to buy a "fixed" version. Y'know... it's crap like that that makes me believe Yamato has got to have the most retarted fanbase on Earth. They go to the trouble to fix mistakes on later releases and they're accused of screwing them up in the first place to make more dough?

They make mistakes... at least they do try to correct them when possible.

And as far as waiting for a second release on Max & Millia... start holding your breath now and we'll all watch as you turn so many pretty shades of blue. I doubt you'll see a reissue, for the simple reason that because of the price, these won't sell near as many units as the first 2 1/48's.

aren't you a hostile little guy and you seem more like a mpc lover too.

first its never sabotage with business its more a quick repaint make a better one later situation.

second. 2nd edition of max and millia would be easier and cheaper than the 2nd edition of the roy focker since the mm just require pigments in the plastic and refined the way which parts to paint. the fuzziness of the lines you can't realy fix unless they get rid of the texture on the plastic so im sure people will live with that or a realy smooth plane that looks more like plastic but crisp lines.

Third. Combined with the people who haven't buy them yet and the ones who have one but are dissatisfied which in the poll it appear to be double than the satisfied ones yamato would be crazy not to make the next batch better and call it 2nd editon to get that money. there a business like everyone out there, they want money.

With all the bad reviews we giving im sure there are cutting the profit on the stores with lots of inventory of the m&m valks (notice I said stores and not yamato since they make money off the stores directly and people indirectly affect the stores on how much they purchase from the factories). Now with that said they can do the 2nd edition now but no stores will order then yet till they clear the old stock which eat money to store which means the businesses will cut the price on the old stock to very low margins or at cost plus shipping.

Also we can always repaint a hicky J to a M&M like some of the others who did b4 they came out.

[Hurin]

So is it just me that got that white fin? I haven't been keeping up with te bitching threads.

Until its time for you to bitch?

Yes, that little fin is white on both the Milia and Max. It really seems to bother some people.

As for the white showing in the gap between the chestplate and back. That gap has always been there (as I'm sure you know). . . so it's a trade off. You pay the price of seeing the white in fighter mode to get what (in my opinion) is a much cooler looking white "shoulder" area in battroid mode.

H

[Hurin]

2nd edition of max and millia would be easier and cheaper than the 2nd edition of the roy focker since the mm just require pigments in the plastic and refined the way which parts to paint.

Hardly easier than a plain white valk with a couple black stripes. But. . . okay. . . not even sure what you're trying to say there.

Combined with the people who haven't buy them yet and the ones who have one but are dissatisfied which in the poll it appear to be double than the satisfied ones yamato would be crazy not to make the next batch better and call it 2nd editon to get that money.  there a business like everyone out there, they want money.

Uh, your math is off. 70% of the people here are satisfied or higher. Man, talk about spinning the numbers!

With all the bad reviews we giving im sure there are cutting the profit on the stores with lots of inventory of the m&m valks

First, I doubt our reviews here matter at all. You may be "sure". . . but apparently, 70% of the people here like (or love) even their Milias. Max has an even more favorable vote (last I checked). Yes, those who hate these toys are more vocal, but I'm beginning to think that this is no different than those who decried the face seam on the 1S, or the fuzzy paint on the Hikaru 1S. There are always very vocal people who want to make sure that everyone knows how unhappy they are.

Not that this will please him. . . but I'm with Blaine. . . these "Yamato is trying to steal my money" conspiracy theories are just so sad. . . And yes, when you're saying that Yamato intentionally didn't do as good a job as they could have and are already planning a second release. . . that's a conspiracy theory, if not sabotage. I highly doubt Yamato is already planning a second release given that 70% or higher already think their toy is fine.

H

[EXO]

Until its time for you to bitch? 

Of course... I searched but couldn't find anything... so I relented and spoke out. I'm an MW'er. It is my nature....

Edited May 11, 2004 by >EXO<

[Blaine23]

aren't you a hostile little guy and you seem more like a mpc lover too.

first its never sabotage with business its more a quick repaint make a better one later situation.

second. 2nd edition of max and millia would be easier and cheaper than the 2nd edition of the roy focker since the mm just require pigments in the plastic and refined the way which parts to paint. the fuzziness of the lines you can't realy fix unless they get rid of the texture on the plastic so im sure people will live with that or a realy smooth plane that looks more like plastic but crisp lines.

Third. Combined with the people who haven't buy them yet and the ones who have one but are dissatisfied which in the poll it appear to be double than the satisfied ones yamato would be crazy not to make the next batch better and call it 2nd editon to get that money. there a business like everyone out there, they want money.

With all the bad reviews we giving im sure there are cutting the profit on the stores with lots of inventory of the m&m valks (notice I said stores and not yamato since they make money off the stores directly and people indirectly affect the stores on how much they purchase from the factories). Now with that said they can do the 2nd edition now but no stores will order then yet till they clear the old stock which eat money to store which means the businesses will cut the price on the old stock to very low margins or at cost plus shipping.

Also we can always repaint a hicky J to a M&M like some of the others who did b4 they came out.

I am very hostile and I'm also 3 inches tall... How exactly does an MPC lover seem? What a weird insult.

Well... you're a... you're a matchbox figure fan!

As for you first, second, and third points... well, they're just goofy and I disagree completely.

Feel free to keep waiting for that "soon-to-come" reissue. And try not to ever refer to anything as a "Hicky J"... that's just uber-fruity.

[EXO]

Well... you're a... you're a matchbox figure fan!

Oooo... did you hear that? he called you a bitch...

C'mon ZD show him what you got...

What's that?

*wshshshwhshshshh

Man, Blaine he said something about your mom... that ain't right...

OK boys, FIGHT!!!

[Zentrandude]

i never own a matchbox so i wouldn't take it as a insult.

To hurin: the 2nd edition valk involved new molds from the max vf-1A in combination the price is much higher still than ordering pigments for the plastic and paint.

my math is in the ball park. other than the 6 who says its perfect all the other ones have a percentage of buying the fixed one given the chance to do so.

perfect 95 percent chance not buy. near perfect voters 85 percent and down so on. just guess on the percentage so don't quote me on that on some econo 101 class.

and yes I'll be waiting. or till that happens I can always buy it when it come on sale or repaint existing valks like ppl did with the 1st focker on the head change and paint the head strips to make a hikaru vf-1S b4 it came out And that one who made that realy cool tv max b4 they came out too.

[Blaine23]

Well... you're a... you're a matchbox figure fan! 

Oooo... did you hear that? he called you a bitch...

C'mon ZD show him what you got...

What's that?

*wshshshwhshshshh

Man, Blaine he said something about your mom... that ain't right...

OK boys, FIGHT!!!

No fights here... just silly insults.

EXO... you're that guy that always tries to make it happen, though aren't you? I'll take you out instead. 3 O' Clock... in the playground.

In all seriousness, if they do make a reissue of these someday, it would be cool if they addressed some of the paint issues. It'd also be cool if they fixed them up B4 they release any other "color" valks, like the CF.

[do not disturb]

So is it just me that got that white fin? I haven't been keeping up with te bitching threads.

yup, i noticed that too but i didn't bother to mention it since i've bitched enough about the millia....and i don't need any more grease.

i'm the one dude who voted for a refund if it didn't cost so much to ship it in the first place.....its an MPC i tell you.

re-issues?, not likely. i don't think they made too many of these to begin with so why the heck would they go through the trouble to reissue them? and besides(according to someones math) its not like they'll do something about the arm armor(my biggest gripe).

[Hurin]

To hurin: the 2nd edition valk involved new molds from the max vf-1A in combination the price is much higher still than ordering pigments for the plastic and paint.

Okay, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there. But your initial point is that it is more expensive to re-release the non-M&M valks. . .

If they wanted to make more Milias, they'd have to manufacture more red pigmented parts. When they made the re-issues of the VF-1A and VF-1S, they could use the exact same parts that they used for the Max VF-1A and the Hikaru 1S. There were no changes needed.

The Max has a unique pigment to its plastic. So does the Milia. The rest are generic white. The Max and Milia both use a lot more paint. To say that the Max and Milia are easer or cheaper to re-release is just utter nonsense. Especially when you start saying that they might even change the texture of the valk to refine the painting process!

my math is in the ball park. other than the 6 who says its perfect all the other ones have a percentage of buying the fixed one given the chance to do so.

Well, now you're saying something different (if I understand it at all). All I have to say to this is that you and I seem to have a different definition of "satisfactory". . . and a different view on how many people are willing to spend another $200 on something with which they are already "satisfied." (70%).

perfect 95 percent  chance not buy. near perfect voters 85 percent and down so on. just guess on the percentage so don't quote me on that on some econo 101 class.

I can't. Since I have no idea what you just said. But you admit you're guessing at whatever numbers those are supposed to represent. So, uh. . . OKAY!

and yes I'll be waiting.

Good luck with that.

Look, you think Yamato is out to screw people by intentionally releasing shoddy products and then selling them the same thing again later. I don't. I think that's silly and more than a little paranoid. I'm done with this discussion. I'm going to take the Blaine-approach and just label your arguments as silly and move on.

H

Edited May 11, 2004 by Hurin

[Hurin]

Regarding the arm armor. I keep meaning to post this. . . but it is the easiest fix in the world.

No, you shouldn't need to fix it, but if you want it to work. . . it's five seconds with and exacto blade.

After stickering my Max, I thought "what the hell". . . and just took a little snip off the offending edge that keeps the gunpod from inserting fully into the slot. It was just the tiniest amount. . . and now it fits fine and stays snugly.

I can post a picture of what I snipped. But that has to wait until I get home.

Of course, you should do this to both sides. cut/shave off a tiny amount (you can take off more if needed). If you're really careful, you won't even discolor the plastic.

H

[do not disturb]

oh dude, i know its a simple fix but i don't like having to cut into my valks. and as you said i shouldn't have to....whatevs i'll live...i haven't killed myself yet over it.

[Neova]

Well... you're a... you're a matchbox figure fan! 

Oooo... did you hear that? he called you a bitch...

C'mon ZD show him what you got...

What's that?

*wshshshwhshshshh

Man, Blaine he said something about your mom... that ain't right...

OK boys, FIGHT!!!

Exo,

You remind me of that one kid in grade school, middle school, high school, college and bars who round up the combatants!

INSTIGATOR!

Edited May 12, 2004 by Neova

[Zentrandude]

To hurin: the 2nd edition valk involved new molds from the max vf-1A in combination the price is much higher still than ordering pigments for the plastic and paint.

Okay, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there. But your initial point is that it is more expensive to re-release the non-M&M valks. . .

If they wanted to make more Milias, they'd have to manufacture more red pigmented parts. When they made the re-issues of the VF-1A and VF-1S, they could use the exact same parts that they used for the Max VF-1A and the Hikaru 1S. There were no changes needed.

The Max has a unique pigment to its plastic. So does the Milia. The rest are generic white. The Max and Milia both use a lot more paint. To say that the Max and Milia are easer or cheaper to re-release is just utter nonsense. Especially when you start saying that they might even change the texture of the valk to refine the painting process!

my math is in the ball park. other than the 6 who says its perfect all the other ones have a percentage of buying the fixed one given the chance to do so.

Well, now you're saying something different (if I understand it at all). All I have to say to this is that you and I seem to have a different definition of "satisfactory". . . and a different view on how many people are willing to spend another $200 on something with which they are already "satisfied." (70%).

perfect 95 percent  chance not buy. near perfect voters 85 percent and down so on. just guess on the percentage so don't quote me on that on some econo 101 class.

I can't. Since I have no idea what you just said. But you admit you're guessing at whatever numbers those are supposed to represent. So, uh. . . OKAY!

and yes I'll be waiting.

Good luck with that.

Look, you think Yamato is out to screw people by intentionally releasing shoddy products and then selling them the same thing again later. I don't. I think that's silly and more than a little paranoid. I'm done with this discussion. I'm going to take the Blaine-approach and just label your arguments as silly and move on.

H

here ill try to make this clear as i can but you will proly not understand the dynamics of the cost of injection molding within a series like the valk line.

the molds cost so much. the cost is divided among all the units built plus raw material cost. so its cheaper to make things 1 year down the line than it is 6 months down the line.

after the max which required new molds the price to make it rose but drops steadily until it requires new molds from wear and tear to tweaks to new molds as for the J head and the tv fast packs then drops again.

They don't manufactor the red pigment. its still cheaper to order it from another business even if its a special blend if it is a special blend.

when i said about changing the texture is just one way to fix the fuzzy lines but if you read it more carefully I mean it won't happen and people won't like it and your arguement is flawed since in a way your agreeing with me.

time for the math part in ez to understand terms.

6 ppl says it perfect. i estimate 95% won't buy another one if a better one was made. so its 5% that might buy it when a better one does come out.

6 times 100 so 600 custumers are satisified but out of the 600 about 30 of them have a possibility of ordering another one.

and down the line with the other votes but 15% on the less than perfect and so on.

And I don't think that yamato is out to screw people and releases shoddy products on purpose. But if you look at businesses it happens everyday in a accidentle kind of way, either from time restraints like software or cost issues like the tombstone tech of the airlines and automobiles.

Just remember if the 2nd edition or the next batch is release with some fixes Ill grave dig this thread and laugh in you faces. maybe a pm if im not lazy .

[Blaine23]

And I don't think that yamato is out to screw people and releases shoddy products on purpose. But if you look at businesses it happens everyday in a accidentle kind of way, either from time restraints like software or cost issues like the tombstone tech of the airlines and automobiles.

Yeah you did.

I can tell you why. they make more money when you buy the first one and the later 2nd version with all the fixes.

It's no big deal, but that's exactly what you said. Accidental and trying to make more money = 2 different animals entirely, ZD.

Just remember if the 2nd edition or the next batch is release with some fixes Ill grave dig this thread and laugh in you faces. maybe a pm if im not lazy  .

Feel free to. I'm not trying to say you're wrong - in fact, we'd all like them to be fixed if they were ever released again. I'd definitely like them fixed before the next 1/48 comes out, personally.

It's just my opinion that you're not going to see a M&M re-release anytime soon - and I'm wrong alot - so feel free to say "I told you so" if it happens. Won't bother me a bit.

[DarkPhoenix]

I got my Millia VF-1J today and it's just fine from what I can tell. Paint is fine, joints are tight.. The seat is tilted to one side just slightly, but I don't care enough for it to be an issue with me.

The thigh swivels are REALLY tight, but again it's not enough of an issue to annot me.. I'd rather them be tight then loose.

[Hurin]

here ill try to make this clear as i can but you will proly not understand the dynamics of the cost of injection molding within a series like the valk line.

LOL. Yeah, it's rocket science. Only you are capable of such arcane wisdom.

the molds cost so much. the cost is divided among all the units built plus raw material cost.  so its cheaper to make things 1 year down the line than it is 6 months down the line.

That's all fine and dandy. What you are referring to here is yet another instance of "economies of scale." Though, I must point out that the amount of time (6mo or a year) doesn't matter. What matters is how many pieces have been manufactured in the interrim. So, yes, releasing any valkyrie at this point is going to be less expensive where casting and part manufacturing costs are concerned relative to the costs during the initial runs. Yet, this has absolutely no bearing on our current debate. Nor does it mean that re-releasing a Max today would be less expensive than releasing a Roy 1S today. And, for the record, the Roy and Hikaru were re-released because stores had sold out, not because they wanted to sell you the same toy twice.

They don't manufactor the red pigment. its still cheaper to order it from another business even if its a special blend if it is a special blend.

Never said that they manufactured the pigment themselve (nor does it matter!). I said that they manufacture pigmented parts. As for paint, that's an entirely different thing. They have to paint many parts of the M&M that remain white on every other valk. Thus, there are more expenses in producing an M&M valkyrie than any other valkyrie model to date. Yes, economies of scale make it less expensive to create than it otherwise would have been two years ago. . . but compared to any other valkyrie on the list, they are still more expensive to create in real terms. So, to expect them to jump at the chance to build more of them seems counter-intuitive.

In fact, here's how you appear to be seeing this play out:

1. The M&Ms suck.

2. Few people buy them.

3. They languish on the shelves and possibly go on clearance sales

4. Yamato says: "Well hey! Let's make more of them!"

What kind of screwed up business model is that!?! Fixed or not, I doubt Yamato would want to get involved in that sort of situation.

Of course, I think the M&M will sell just fine. And therefore Yamato won't be in that situation. And if we see more M&Ms, it will be because they did so very well!

when i said about changing the texture is just one way to fix the fuzzy lines but if you read it more carefully I mean it won't happen and people won't like it and your arguement is flawed since in a way your agreeing with me.

No amount of "reading more carefully" gives any such indication. You clearly consider it a possibility:

the fuzziness of the lines you can't realy fix unless they get rid of the texture on the plastic so im sure people will live with that or a realy smooth plane that looks more like plastic but crisp lines.

That's an either/or statement. Either one, in that sentence, is considered a possibility. You may have intended to say something different, but that's not what you wrote. So, please don't call my argument "flawed" or tell me that I need to "read more carefuly" when what you wrote is actually not representative of what you now claim to be saying.

time for the math part in ez to understand terms.

All that "math" is pure conjecture. I could pull contradictory math out of my ass too. But it wouldn't solve anything.

And I don't think that yamato is out to screw people and releases shoddy products on purpose.

As Blaine pointed out (even with a quote! Hooray!). . . this is exactly what you alleged. When called on it, you tempered your assertion by saying that they weren't doing it intentionally. . . and then tried to somehow demonstrate that malice on their part wasn't necessary because the M&M would be cheaper to re-release than the Roy or Hikaru were. I'm merely pointing out that there is absolutely no reason to believe that the M&M would be cheaper to re-release than than any other valk today. In fact, due to the pigmented plastic, larger painted areas, more painting labor, and non-generic parts (FAST Pack coloration), the M&M would appear to be quite a bit more expensive to produce than any other valk.

Just remember if the 2nd edition or the next batch is release with some fixes Ill grave dig this thread and laugh in you faces. maybe a pm if im not lazy

Well, I can see where you'd think this would vindicate you. However, Yamto releasing more does not mean that they intentionally botched the first batch or let a shoddy toy out the door in hopes of selling you another one later. Oh, but wait, you never alleged that. Yah right.

H

Sorry for the tone of the above post. Re-reading it now, it seems overly heated. . . but that was not the tone in my head as I wrote it.

Edited May 12, 2004 by Hurin

[TheFrenchOne]

I ve got my M&M for a couple of days and this morning i get my first bad experience with 1/48 line.

Max's figure was not perfectly sat in the cockpit (max leant on the right)

I tried to sit him better but i realized soon that the entire cockpit has been glued uncorrectly I have checked all my other 1/48 and it is the only one which suffer from that "disease" but it piss me off cause max's 1A&1J are my fav valks.

Anyone know how to dissasemble the cockpit of a 1/48 in order to repair it ?

Edited: Found a topic about this seat trouble, it seems to be done on purpose 1/48 Seat topic

Edited May 13, 2004 by TheFrenchOne

[EXO]

I ve got my M&M for a couple of days and this morning i get my first bad experience with 1/48 line.

Max's figure was not perfectly sat in the cockpit (max leant on the right)

I tried to sit him better but i realized soon that the entire cockpit has been glued uncorrectly I have checked all my other 1/48 and it is the only one which suffer from that "disease" but it piss me off cause max's 1A&1J are my fav valks.

Anyone know how to dissasemble the cockpit of a 1/48 in order to repair it ?

The seat is glued down. I used goo-gone to take it off before. But I took apart the whole cockpit/fuselage assembly. Be careful because it also controls how the landing gear stays up.

[Hurin]

Yep, I had the seat problem too. The dealer I bought it from was nice enough to swap the seat from his own private collection.

Here's the post with a picture of it.

The seat is really well-glued (nearly fused) to the base of the cockpit. But I'd think you'd be able to remove it with some perseverance.

Exo, does the goo-gone break down the glue? Will it also harm the paint?

Once it's loose, just re-glue.

It's actually very easy getting the fuselage apart (open the landing gear door, and the T-Bar hatch on the nose. Then you should be able to undo all three screws). The cockpit floor assembly fits very snugly in the fuselage. . . so what you do shouldn't affect the landing gear. . . cuz it will only go in one way and is held there securely.

Getting things back together can be a pain. But just go slowly as you take it apart and note how everything fits together. You'll get it eventually. I've found that turning the valk uside down, placing the top part of the fuselage in place, the filling in everything from there is the best way. That's tough to explain, but once you have it apart, you'll hopefully see what I mean. Otherwise, you're putting one part in place, only to have another one fall out. . .

Good luck! Let us know how it goes!

H