Takara Masterpiece Ultra Magnus

[Drad]

Just outta curiosity.

I'd probably get one.

[FRED THE FRENCH]

I would get one, if it was sold with the trailer.

[buddhafabio]

may be if it were cheaper. by the way this probably belongs here Other Anime or Science Fiction

Edited April 28, 2004 by buddhafabio

[UN Spacy]

Honestly. Seeing how monumental the Masterpiece line is.....I don't think I'd pass up ANY figure they'd put out. We're lucky to even get another figure, I always thought Prime/Convoy would be a one shot deal.

[Drad]

We're lucky to even get another figure, I always thought Prime/Convoy would be a one shot deal.

It is a one-shot deal, so far. There's no Masterpiece Magnus in the works as far as I know. I was just curious to see if there was any interest in such a thing.

We can hope.

[Mechamaniac]

I voted no, not really a Magnus fan, and it really would be just a repaint, unless the trailer was included that became the gay ass armor that wrapped around him.

[eriku]

Nah. For one it would probably be a repaint and for two, Magnus is a tool.

[SupremeKaioshin]

crap, I would! no doubts about it!

[Agent ONE]

Nah... I would never buy another TF toy. I am just not interested in TF anymore.

[Drad]

I voted no, not really a Magnus fan, and it really would be just a repaint, unless the trailer was included that became the gay ass armor that wrapped around him.

I'd have to agree on that armor. It's pretty damned fugly. But a shining white Convoy clone always looked neat to me.

[Ali Sama]

I voted no, not really a Magnus fan, and it really would be just a repaint, unless the trailer was included that became the gay ass armor that wrapped around him.

I'd have to agree on that armor. It's pretty damned fugly. But a shining white Convoy clone always looked neat to me.

prime damn it. convoy was mecha. Optimus prime was the character in tf. His lool may ghave been based on convoy the toy but he did nto look much like convoy nor is he a mecha.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

Yet in japaneven in trasnformers he is called convoy the character....not PRIME. I dont know about the mecha thing even if he is sentient hes still a freakin robot. HE is mechanized so i got no beef calling him a mecha. same as the ghost drone thats a mecha yet no pilot. oh and in diaclone magnus was powered convoy, a souped up version of the original convoy with blue paint and a powersuit. optimus prime the character was based on the diaclone convoy toy who became optimus prime in thr atransformers in the US and still REMAINED named convoy in transformers in japan. powered convoy got repainted for transformers as ultra magnus.

[Ali Sama]

Yet in japaneven in trasnformers he is called convoy the character....not PRIME.  I dont know about the mecha thing even if he is sentient hes still a freakin robot.  HE is mechanized so i got no beef calling him a mecha.  same as the ghost drone thats a mecha yet no pilot.  oh and in diaclone magnus was powered convoy, a souped up version of the original convoy with blue paint and a powersuit.  optimus prime the character was based on the diaclone convoy toy who became optimus prime in thr atransformers in the US and still REMAINED named convoy in transformers in japan. powered convoy got repainted for transformers as ultra magnus.

yeah. but it;s like calling hikaru rick.

btw. mecha is piloted.

Edited May 2, 2004 by Ali Sama

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

how so?> he was caloled convoy in diaclone and kept the name in the transition to transformers in japan. Kind of likle how takara calls the new toy masterpiece convoy and the hasbro version is 20th anniversary optimus prime.

[UN Spacy]

To continue upon my previoius post. In all honesty I'd rather see a Masterpiece Starscream, Megatron, Galvatron, Soundwave, or even Rodiums before the apperance of Ultra Magnus.

[Drad]

If Takara manages to make a Masterpiece Megatron that looks as good in robot mode as Masterpiece Convoy does, I'll be very impressed. Convoy's basic design was a lot easier to make a good-looking robot mode out of than Megatron's. Poor Megatron always did look funky by comparison.

Here's hoping.

[Drad]

I voted no, not really a Magnus fan, and it really would be just a repaint, unless the trailer was included that became the gay ass armor that wrapped around him.

I'd have to agree on that armor. It's pretty damned fugly. But a shining white Convoy clone always looked neat to me.

prime damn it. convoy was mecha. Optimus prime was the character in tf. His lool may ghave been based on convoy the toy but he did nto look much like convoy nor is he a mecha.

I realize that. I'm not talking about Hasbro's 20th Anniversary Masterpiece Optimus Prime, though. If I were, I'd have said so.

I was referring to Takara's Masterpiece Convoy.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

hasbro says no other masterpieces planned at thgis time. its kind of olf though.......they reaffirmed it last week but last summer someone asked orson about ammasterpiece megs and he said it wasnt happeneing. he didnt say anything about an alternator megs not happening though.........

[Shmitty]

I agree with UN Spacy in the fact that I would rather see an Masterpeice Starscream first.

[GobotFool]

To continue upon my previoius post. In all honesty I'd rather see a Masterpiece Starscream, Megatron, Galvatron, Soundwave, or even Rodiums before the apperance of Ultra Magnus.

Don't forget that bad ass Shockwave!!!!! He rules them all! Hell in the comics he handed Megatron, and all the Autobot their butts!

[GobotFool]

Honestly. Seeing how monumental the Masterpiece line is.....I don't think I'd pass up ANY figure they'd put out. We're lucky to even get another figure, I always thought Prime/Convoy would be a one shot deal.

The sales for masterpiece prime were, from what I have heard, astounding. I'd be suprised if we don't see another MP transformer in the future.

[UN Spacy]

Don't forget that bad ass Shockwave!!!!! He rules them all! Hell in the comics he handed Megatron, and all the Autobot their butts!

Ah....touche! Shockwave was a MAD ROBOT in the comic books.

[GobotFool]

A Shockwave would be so easy to make toon accurate. Hell the original Shockwave toy looked pretty darn close to the toon. Or should it be the other way around, the toon shockwave was an accurate representation of the toy it was based on. Sans the unfortunantly placed trigger

Edited May 3, 2004 by GobotFool

[EXO]

btw. mecha is piloted.

Ali, where is this definition from???

[Ali Sama]

I voted no, not really a Magnus fan, and it really would be just a repaint, unless the trailer was included that became the gay ass armor that wrapped around him.

I'd have to agree on that armor. It's pretty damned fugly. But a shining white Convoy clone always looked neat to me.

prime damn it. convoy was mecha. Optimus prime was the character in tf. His lool may ghave been based on convoy the toy but he did nto look much like convoy nor is he a mecha.

I realize that. I'm not talking about Hasbro's 20th Anniversary Masterpiece Optimus Prime, though. If I were, I'd have said so.

I was referring to Takara's Masterpiece Convoy.

he is still prime. Priem was first as a character. they imported transformers to japan as a cartoon.

[Ali Sama]

how so?> he was caloled convoy in diaclone and kept the name in the transition to transformers in japan. Kind of likle how takara calls the new toy masterpiece convoy and the hasbro version is 20th anniversary optimus prime.

it is easy. trasnformers is an americna cartoon. i twas concieved here. characters where redesinged based ont he diclones and where turned from mecha to sentient robots. Transformers was IMPORTED to japan a year after it was on tv here.

Ali

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

but takara is still the one whom transformers the toyline stems from. transformers was a toyline before it ever was a cartoon. so while the idea for the STORY was made in america the toyline and characters some of whjich already had established names. also some of the later convoys in japan were never considered as primes. The japanese did a lot with transformers as well and believe it or not this was NOT the first time hasbro and takara worked together. their work as a team dates back to henshin cyborg and gijoe to microman and other stuff. If you go by japanese timeline he is convoy. if you go strictly by US he is prime. if your a fan olike me who likes both countries effforts to make it a cool brand, it dont matter. iits just a name hes known as convoy in japan and optimus here. its not like robotech where rick was a name given to hikaru. in macross he is hikaru. in japan convoy is convoy. even when transformers came bam still convoy. beast wars neo? big convoy. convoys as a group in seats bam convoy council. japan created the original toy that lead to optimus prime in the USA so for all that matters he can keep his original name, convoy. just kuz they dont call him convoy here dont mean they cant call hinm that in japan.

[Ali Sama]

but takara is still the one whom transformers the toyline stems from. transformers was a toyline before it ever was a cartoon. so while the idea for the STORY was made in america the toyline and characters some of whjich already had established names. also some of the later convoys in japan were never considered as primes. The japanese did a lot with transformers as well and believe it or not this was NOT the first time hasbro and takara worked together. their work as a team dates back to henshin cyborg and gijoe to microman and other stuff. If you go by japanese timeline he is convoy. if you go strictly by US he is prime. if your a fan olike me who likes both countries effforts to make it a cool brand, it dont matter. iits just a name hes known as convoy in japan and optimus here. its not like robotech where rick was a name given to hikaru. in macross he is hikaru. in japan convoy is convoy. even when transformers came bam still convoy. beast wars neo? big convoy. convoys as a group in seats bam convoy council. japan created the original toy that lead to optimus prime in the USA so for all that matters he can keep his original name, convoy. just kuz they dont call him convoy here dont mean they cant call hinm that in japan.

convoy was a piloted mecha.

so they kept the name. it still does not change the fact that optimus prime was the character in the stroy.

con·voy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knvoi)

n.

1. The act of accompanying or escorting, especially for protective purposes.

2. An accompanying and protecting force, as of ships or troops.

3. A group, as of ships or motor vehicles, traveling together with a protective escort or for safety or convenience.

or

Optimus Prime

The SEIBERTRON.com Dictionary Definition For "Optimus Prime"

Optimus is latin for "one of the best, aristocrat, noble". Prime used as an adjective means "first in degree or rank; chief."

which together mean first of the best or first of the greatest. Dang good name.

the japanese timeline is like our robotech.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

i doubt that man. Convoy has a rich history in japan and many many descendants rather than jsut some alternate universe final fantasy storyline thing where theres always a differernt prime and megatron like hasbro is doing right now.

to me japan and us transformers history is very confusing but we cant just say japans story is like our robotech. alot of pivotal things happened in japan that never made it here. the convept of god ginrai as a human powered robot to starsaber the autobot swordsman, dezarus and a lot of others like big convoy and star convoy. if you follow the us storyline prime in g1 ended up as a action master. in japan he just died and died till he became star convoy. in g2 here prime ended up as either laser rod or that small as gobot car. you decide. in japan im not sure but if they did integrate g2 he was laser prime.

in the us big convoy and lio convoy dont even exist. in japan they do. in japan theres a lot more like ultra magnus being killed by sixshot, anda bunch of other stuff that would do good for another thread. case in point, japan's storyline as a whole is MUCH deeper if not complex. its kind of like how macross in japan evolved into so many sequels and prequels where as robotech just went to sentinels. transformers USA storyline is like robotech. transformers in japan is like macross. in robotech they lead u to believe rick is on some spaceship and the alpha is the greatest thing since butter on bread. in macross hes somewhere with qa VF-4 and much more advanced stuff is out. in the US prime in g1 ended up as laser rod? who knows but right now theres energon prime. IN japan energon prime is just the latest prime to combat the decepticons and g1 convoy ended up as either star convoy and then laser rod or stayed as star convoy. in between him dying and getting revived god ginrai and star saber rise to become leaders and a whole bunch of other differn transformers show up that never made it here. also after primal in japan come lio and big convoy and magmatron and bw2 galvatron. Yet NONE of this is in the USA version of transformers as a whole.

So i think your analogy is off. transformers in the states is like robotech NOT transformers in japan.

[Ali Sama]

i doubt that man.  Convoy has a rich history in japan and many many descendants rather than jsut some alternate universe final fantasy storyline thing where theres always a differernt prime and megatron like hasbro is doing right now.

to me japan and us transformers history is very confusing but we cant just say japans story is like our robotech.  alot of pivotal things happened in japan that never made it here.  the convept of god ginrai as a human powered robot to starsaber the autobot swordsman, dezarus and a lot of others like big convoy and star convoy.  if you follow the us storyline prime in g1 ended up as a action master.  in japan he just died and died till he became star convoy.  in g2 here prime ended up as either laser rod or that small as gobot car.  you decide.  in japan im not sure but if they did integrate g2 he was laser prime. 

in the us big convoy and lio convoy dont even exist.  in japan they do.  in japan theres a lot more like ultra magnus being killed by sixshot, anda  bunch of other stuff that would do good for another thread. case in point, japan's storyline as a whole is MUCH deeper if not complex.  its kind of like how macross in japan evolved into so many sequels and prequels where as robotech just went to sentinels.  transformers USA storyline is like robotech. transformers in japan is like macross.  in robotech they lead u to believe rick is on some spaceship and the alpha is the greatest thing since butter on bread.  in macross hes somewhere with qa VF-4 and much more advanced stuff is out.  in the US prime in g1 ended up as laser rod? who knows but right now theres energon prime.  IN japan energon prime is just the latest prime to combat the decepticons and g1 convoy ended up as either star convoy and then laser rod or stayed as star convoy.  in between him dying and getting revived god ginrai and star saber rise to become leaders and a whole bunch of other differn transformers show up that never made it here. also after primal in japan come lio and big convoy and magmatron and bw2 galvatron.  Yet NONE of this is in the USA version of transformers as a whole.

So i think your analogy is off.  transformers in the states is like robotech NOT transformers in japan.

that is like arguing the sentinels did more for rick and it did nto exit in japan.

transformers was heavily edited before it made it to japaense shores.

fyi. Optimus prime in the official story line did not turn into any targert master or power master.

If you notice beast wars and etc are in the offical time line.

RID is an au created by takara

armada was a co-venture au by both

energon is a direct sequal of armada, again done by both.

the american aka original trasnfomers has a rich shistory as well. read the comics.

the only reason they exist in japan is that trasnformers died in the usa while in japan takara continued it.

transformers is a hasbro/marvel creation using japaense toys as a base for it. honestly. how many of the diclone toys look like the characters in the cartoons. they may resemble them. The reason tf was popular was becaue fo the show not becuae of the toys. I would never buy thoes fugly toys if I did not like the characters in the show.

you can sell piloted mecha wihtout a show. but ai robots are harder. diclones did well becuase the kids would be the pilots. it is like fighting with tanks etc except they

transform. How many tv showes do you see promoting all the kids toys which are trucks, fire engines, army untiees etc.

the oriignal tf-g1 was more then jsut a 30 mintue toy commercial. It was awsome. the robots wehre real people with real personalitiesl. the main reason armada sucked was not becase o the toys. they followed the general scripts of japanese tf showes.

have you ever seen head masters or the other sequals?

convoy megatron si attacking. you two peons go do this

peon : yes sir

no personality. no story. god did it stink. takara took g1 and turned it into somthing worst then robotech ever did.

they changed the names around, changed plot ideas. took out the individualism that made the tf good and made them into good yes sir sallary men. They even used other animation from other series to make new episodes.

go here

"Super God Robot Force" (1984)

"Tatakae! Chô robot seimeitai Transformer" (1985) (Japan)

"Transformer 2010" (1985) (Japan) (third season title)

"Transformers, The" (1985) (USA) (new title)

"Transformers: Generation 1" (1984) (USA) (informal title)

gee I wonder. How can an anime be shown in america first then edit redubbed in japanese. ahh becuase it;s not japanese to begin with.

Edited May 3, 2004 by Ali Sama

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i already knew he didnt turn into a target or headmaster. He was only a powermaster when hasbro brouight him back from the dead to get sales boosted after they killed him off in the movie and people hated rodimus prime. In the cartoon he didnt have "apex armor" and in truth he was just a remodded god ginrai toy.

uh yea dude i never said transformers the CARTOON started in japan. that is common sense. character designs and such were done inhouise by marvel i believe by jon romita sr. and others. The comics i don't look at too much since the stories are very complex. Takara did the initial toys and hasbro and marvel initiated the storyline. Again that is common sense nowhere in that sentence did it say japan at all. YOu cant however say transformers arent japanese. Without takara there WOULD BE NO transformers. HAsbro had the idea to bring diaclone and microman toys over under a new line and storyline premise. These toys were JAPANESE. NOT AMERICAN until they changed a few things and gave them new names. But nonetheless they had their roots in japan. Even after the series starte designs were still being pumped out in japan. PREDAKING was designed by a takara designer who later worked at bandai after a lawsuit over daltanias likenesses. Oh yea he was japanese. Yes this means takara had work on transformers. Oh yea that also means that since they worked on it transformers incidentally as a brand and toyline had japanese participation. wait that means ohj yea thats right its a japanese and american toy hybrid line. ANd yes I do realize what armada and energon are. I am one of the only fans that likes some of armada and most of energon on this board. If character matters most and convoy sucks as much as u like to describe him then i wonder why masterpice convoy sold out so quiick ebven during its 2nd run in japanese stores? For him to come back from the dead more than once says something. For the most part US g1 may have been better but to ignore whaty takara has done over the years is looking at it with a blind eye. big convoy was takara not hasbro. same with lio convoy. star saber in victory as well. You cant ignore the fact that those series had some awesome toys and cartoons that never made it here. oh and masterforcand victory were anime.

problem is noone knows what the hell the official storyline is both have their good and bad parts. prime in USA convoy in japan. Prime as omega end all name? nope. there isnt ONE name there are a multitude of names.

and i will add one thing. I do call him optimus. but that does not mean thats his only name. there is no definiteive prime or convoy name if ur japanese u call him convoy if u aint u call him prime simple as that. alsop depdentant on whgat storyline u follow.

[Ali Sama]

ok. I am not quoting you becuae your rambling and ignoring the issue.

optimus prime is the real name because japanese transfoerms is their eq of robotech.

here is my proof. I will bold areas which are esential.

Fight! Super Robot Life Transformers (July 6, 1985 to November 7, 1986)

This is the first Transformers cartoon series to appear in Japan. It's essentally Season 1 and Season 2 of the American cartoons, redubbed into Japanese. Some episodes were aired unmodified from their original American productions, while other episodes consisted of scenes from different shows mixed and matched into new stories. The end result is the same, however: Convoy (Optimus Prime) leads the Cybertrons (Autobots) against Megatron and the Destrons (Decepticons), both on Earth and on Seibertron (Cybertron).

Transformers: 2010 (November 14, 1986 to June 26, 1987)

This is the same as Season 3 of the American cartoons. As with Fight! Super Robot Life Transformers, some of the shows were simply redubbed with Japanese voices, while others were formed by mixing footage from several shows into new stories.As with the American series, the series ends with the resurrection of Convoy, while Rodimus Convoy becomes Hot Rodimus (Hot Rod) again.

How the f*ck is this not like robotech. Quantity is not quality.

link to guide for japanese tf

Edited May 3, 2004 by Ali Sama

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

because robotech bombed in more ways than japanese transformers series ever will. love for transformers in japan is high love for robotech in japan is not. love for transformers in the US is high love for robotech is not. I can see your point about it being likle robotech in terms of different names being used and botched footage BUT. Prime was based on convoy just like rick was based on hikaru. that was my whole premise. so its only natural for convoy to remain convoy in the japanese series. and plus robotech sucks during sentinels. after the majortity of g1 the japanese series had some good characters where as sentinel did not. THATS why i say its not like robotech. I saw it as comparing a crappy franchise to a franchise thats selliing liek wild internationally.

[Ali Sama]

because robotech bombed in more ways than japanese transformers series ever will. 

robotech did not BOMB. robotech had nothing new to sell so it faded away.

macross was not anywhere the sucess you would like to think.

it took macross plus to revive both.

love for transformers in japan is high love for robotech in japan is not. love for transformers in the US is high love for robotech is not.

this is a very wierd statement. robotech was never shown or sold in japan.

Japanes people love gundam, plain and simple. macross is a small player. Transformers is a bigger player. I know japanese people who have seen robotech and LIKED IT. Also, most transfoers fans are kids who gre wup on rid and energon. Where woudl they have seen or even heard of robotech.

I can see your point about it being likle robotech in terms of different names being used and botched footage BUT. 

yeah. also changed story added footage.

Prime was based on convoy just like rick was based on hikaru.

NO. Hikau was a character. convoy is just a tool, an ingredient..

your arguing that all pasta dishes are chinies becuase they invented pasta.

that was my whole premise.  so its only natural for convoy to remain convoy in the japanese series.

so. they chose to keep the name of the toy it was based on. the character of convoy in the anime is based ont he character of prime in our animation.

and plus robotech sucks during sentinels.  after the majortity of g1 the japanese series had some good characters where as sentinel did not.

go see the other trasnformers shows. they have no perosnlity. only prime and megetrton and maybey the kid sidekick.

THATS why i say its not like robotech.  I saw it as comparing a crappy franchise to a franchise thats selliing liek wild internationally.

optimus prime is known as convoy only in japan. The rest of the world sees the original transformers and calls him optimus prime. trasnformers was not famouse interationally becuase of the japanese dubb/rehash of the show. it was becuase of the oirignal american trasnformers which was translated faithfull ot every other palce except for japan.

Edited May 3, 2004 by Ali Sama

[soze]

Whoah, Ali Sama is training to take on Hurin!!! (no offense intended, just having fun)