Majestic Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 That scopedog DOES look incredible. I will own one along with the Koenig. How tall will it be if it's 1/12 scale? 8 inches or so? Quote
Blaine23 Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) As for the canon issue... if it was designed by Kawamori, then it's canon. End of story. I don't want to get into a big thing here. But just being designed by Kawamori does not make something "canon." The setting within which the mecha is placed must also be considered. In other words, a design by Kawamori that is placed within a non-canon work makes it a non-canon mecha. I don't know enough about the Macross video games to speak intelligently about this. My understanding is that, by and large, the video games are considered canon. But I don't think anything Kawamori doodles on a napkin is automatically canon. That's a pretty open standard. My bad - I meant to say, that for me, if Kawamori designed it on a napkin and wrote "Macross" next to it, I consider it canon. It's a personal statement, not any kind of law. Of course this could lead to a million ethical questions, such as - "who decides if something is canon? Is there a canon police, etc..." As for the Koenig Monster - it does not appear any anime that I know of, but it is part of VF-X2, a Macross game. It also appears in Macross: Designworks. So, it's a Macross design by the series designer/creator - Kawamori. So, yes it's considered "canon" as it does appear in Macross products, but no, it's not in the anime. But then again, the Robotech YF-1R appears in the anime and we all know that's crap. To sum up... I guess it's pretty much up to personal opinion whether or not you consider the VB-6 as canon. Edited April 23, 2004 by Blaine23 Quote
CF18 Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Why do anyone care about the canon thing? Was there some sort of low-vis boycott that I missed? Quote
Godzilla Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Um, where are the landing gear doors on this transformable monster? Quote
Anubis Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 If it's listed here it's canon. Not to mention being in the Design Works, and stated before elsewhere that Kawamori originally wanted the VB-6 in Macross7, but didn't have it ready in time or something to that effect. Back to topic, I am so excited about the VB-6, but I still feel the shadow of neglect regarding the -19. Quote
wolfx Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 W00t!! Monster!! *starts saving up* I don't see the Jetfire either, but I do see Starscream. He looks cool! Quote
Hurin Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Why do anyone care about the canon thing? Was there some sort of low-vis boycott that I missed? There's nothing wrong with someone being curious about whether this is an "official" Macross mecha or not. And, believe it or not, there are some of us who weren't terribly enamoured of the Low-Vis because it is not canon. Further, if nobody every asked if the Low-vis was canon, and the question was never answered and a consensus arrive at, we wouldn't know if it was or not. Man. . . some people's time is so precious. H Quote
Hurin Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 If it's listed here it's canon. The mardook (from Macross II) are listed there. I had always understood them to be non-canon since Macross II has essentially been disowned by Kawamori and banished to an "alternate universe." The Compendium lists every mecha that has ever appeared in any Macross product, no? Is every Macross product ever released considered canon? H Quote
Impreszive Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 You know...I will get the Monster but, did anyone else see that Starscream? That was F-ing cool! Quote
trueblueeyes Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 I bet Valkyrie is pissed off right now. Though the resin will still kick ass.There's no way I would have ever been able to put it together though myself, so this is a sigh or relief. Nah, I doubt he is that upset. After all, there are still people (myself included) who will still be thrilled to get the IHP Konig re-cast. He might even be slightly relieved if he has to produce less re-casts! ........ And to answer an earlier question about which kit it is based on: Well, toys are always different than models but I would bet it is most closely based on the IHP Koenig Monster. (I think that is a pretty safe assumption since IHP's founder Mr. Sakuragawa now works as a sculptor for Yamato) ......... And to Hurin: The VB-6 Konig did make its first appearance in the VF-X2 game...but it was also *intended* to appear in M7 Dynamite. So it is indeed canon. Melissa Quote
Phyrox Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Well, I am a big fan of the original Monster but have never liked the Koenig Monster much...and this certainly isn't going to change my mind. Even if it looked as "sleek" as the line art I would be on the fence about it, but if the final looks anything like that...I will not even consider it. Where is the REAL Monster? Quote
Jung Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 oh W W, 1/12 votoms!! oh yeah and that koenig thingy........ Quote
JsARCLIGHT Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 I could care less about the Korny Monster... that Scope Dog is the shiznit! Quote
Hurin Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 If it's listed here it's canon. The mardook (from Macross II) are listed there. I had always understood them to be non-canon since Macross II has essentially been disowned by Kawamori and banished to an "alternate universe." The Compendium lists every mecha that has ever appeared in any Macross product, no? Is every Macross product ever released considered canon? H Just to clarify: I accept that it's canon. My only point here was that I'm not sure its inclusion on the Compendium's list is a certain indicator of such. I'm just willing to accept everyone's claim that it was intended to be part of M7 and that Kawamori accepts it as such. I'm done with the canon thing. Thanks to those who nicely pointed out why the consensus is that this mecha is canon. Best Regards, Hurin Quote
ewilen Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 The answer to the canon/non-canon question can be clarified by two points: 1) The non-canon/alternate universe (MII) stuff in the mecha listing at the Compendium all seem to have notes indicating their relationship to non-canon material. Not conclusive, but suggestive. The Konig Monster just has a normal listing without special notes of that sort. 2) More important, the Chronology includes the way that the various canon works fit together. Both VF-X and VF-X 2 are listed here as part of the main chronology, while MII is mentioned at the bottom as a parallel universe. Macross M3 is also listed as part of the standard chronology (in the preceding section). But even though it's canonical, I think I'll skip the Konig Monster...just not my cup of tea. Quote
Hurin Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 The answer to the canon/non-canon question can be clarified by two points:1) The non-canon/alternate universe (MII) stuff in the mecha listing at the Compendium all seem to have notes indicating their relationship to non-canon material. Not conclusive, but suggestive. The Konig Monster just has a normal listing without special notes of that sort. 2) More important, the Chronology includes the way that the various canon works fit together. Both VF-X and VF-X 2 are listed here as part of the main chronology, while MII is mentioned at the bottom as a parallel universe. Macross M3 is also listed as part of the standard chronology (in the preceding section). But even though it's canonical, I think I'll skip the Konig Monster...just not my cup of tea. As usual: a thoughtful, comprehensive, and balanced post from Ewilen. Thanks man! H Quote
GRAND CANNON Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) That scopedog DOES look incredible. I will own one along with the Koenig.How tall will it be if it's 1/12 scale? 8 inches or so? 'scuse the OT, but.......... ......for what it's worth......my Takara 1/24 Votoms (that I sold) come in at just about 6" w/ the canopy. Could the 1/12 actually be 12" ??? The VB-6 is......... **EDIT** On closer glance at the scan you can make out "30" on the front view caption. May mean 30cm or just about 12". Edited April 23, 2004 by GRAND CANNON Quote
ChristopherB Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Hello, Great news, thank you Yamato! I'm still going to get the IHP 1/100 VB-6 recast from Valkyrie. It will be cool to have both, but now I won't feel so pressured to commission someone to build it for me. If anyone is considering cancelling, please let me know via PM once you've thought about it a little bit and decided for sure. Sincerely, Christopher Quote
GRAND CANNON Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Let's head on over to the Other Anime or Science Fiction thread...... Quote
one_klump Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 OMFG! I think I'll skip out on my first 1/48 a get right to the meat and potatos! Me want 1/100 transforming Monster! Quote
GobotFool Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 OMFG!I think I'll skip out on my first 1/48 a get right to the meat and potatos! Me want 1/100 transforming Monster! Get your 1/48, I doubt the monster is coming out anytime soon. Quote
Valkyrie Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Man, 1/100... the one scale I was hoping it wouldn't be Those pics are pretty interesting (though I find it odd that they only published shuttle/bomber mode pics). It looks very similar to IHP's kit in almost every respect. The only noticeable differences I see are the 4 mini-feet, which are more recessed on the bottom than they are on the kit. And the kit has some exposed screws that I don't see on that prototype. I'm guessing that they're re-working IHP's kit to make it into a toy they can make with injection molding (as opposed to starting over from scratch). A great surprise to no one, I'm sure. But still, I'm guessing that the Yamato VB-6 isn't anywhere near as close to production as those pics seem to indicate. And while I'm posting, I might as well beat the topic into the ground a bit more. Yes, the VB-6 Koenig Monster is canon Quote
Pierre Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 humm with the vf-o and vb-6 being 1/100 i wonder if all future scales will be 1/100 ..... all of S.H.E's kits were 1/100 and this new sculpter seems to like working in 1/100 man a army of 1/100 variable fighters Quote
Graham Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Yup, the VB-6 is canon. the events of the VF-X2 PS game are part of the official chronology. Looking forward to the Konig Monster, but judging from the pics it's obvious that we are still a fair way from production. Graham Quote
TheLoneWolf Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Nice Scope Dog! Tsk tsk, another scale-breaker. I'm not investing in anything that isn't 1/48, 1/60, or 1/72, this is already ridiculous. I really hope that Yamato releases the regular 1/60 Monster. $350 be damned, if they release it, I'll buy it! Quote
boinger Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Hurray for Yamato Macross toys ! Hurray for VB-6 Koenig ! Hurray for Yamato making the VB-6 Koenig ! Quote
NSJ23 Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Just when I think I'm out, They pull me back In! Quote
Jawjaw Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Awesomely awesome! It all looks good to me. Hope I can afford all these fine toys when the time comes. Quote
Neova Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) I know this is the toy thread but can someone photoshop overlays or comparison pictures of IHP's 1/100 VB6 Resin kit and Yamato's versions? Both look the same to me since both have the same sculpter. Too early for pre-orders huh? Edited April 23, 2004 by Neova Quote
Hurin Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 Koenig Monster = VFX2 = canon. Yeah, I think we established that. . . about four times. But thanks for such a nuanced response. Quote
Commander McBride Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 1/100, huh? Aren't the new M0 VFs also 1/100? Could this be an idication that we may see VFX fighters in the same scale? 1/100 VF-19? VF-22? .......? Quote
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