Ace Combat 5

[Vampire Hunter D]

OMG!!!!!

[Gaijin]

Okaaaaaaay.

[Abombz!!]

Wow... the bullshit is certainly running wild here.

Edited April 1, 2004 by Abombz!!

[Vampire Hunter D]

Whats wrong Gaijin?

[SupremeKaioshin]

[Dangard Ace]

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*starts sharpening sword*

[mikeszekely]

anybody heard if the F-35 (in any of it's variations) will be in the game?

I don't think that it's been confirmed one way or the other yet, but considering the licensing from Lockheed, I would be willing to bet on the F-117, the F/A-22, and the F-35 all being included, plus the F-16 having that funny looking stick-figurish Lockheed symbol.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

like i said.

ace combat cna still be enjoyed., Its light heared supreme so naturally i dont expect much besides an arcade flight bruiser.

PC sims will always be unbeatable but for fun, AC will have to do for a quickie. If i want extended campaign ill go PC. Pc sims are good if you got the time and patienece are group of diehards is like a cult. The market for PC jet sims is almost dead and everyone caters to warbnirds now.

for a all around god game and fun sim ac5 will do. Likle i said lighhearted and fun above all.

there is no comparison flight models in ac5 are bs compared to PC.

[mikeszekely]

No true combat aircraft fan would ever buy an Arcade sissy game over a realistic sim(use your PC other than posting on forums) if he can help it.

Well, let's see... of all the combat aircraft fans on these boards, I'd say David is the one I respect the most (for the ridiculous ammounts of knowledge on the subject he's got plus the modest way he applies said knowledge). And he's obviously played at least Ace Combat 2 and Ace Combat 4. And he seems to looking forward to Ace Combat 5, doesn't he?

And this PC-elitest attitude has got to stop. Personally, I play games on all the systems... PC, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and GBA. There are different games I like for each, and different genres I prefer on different platforms. Your comments aren't going to keep me or others from picking up Ace Combat 5. I'm not going to say "Gee, you're right!" and run out to my local Gamestop so I can trade in all my consoles and buy more PC games that I have to patch for an hour before I can even play. You're not hurting me any. In fact, the only one who suffers from your narrow-minding attitude is yourself, for all the great games you're missing out on.

But I digress. This topic is for discussing Ace Combat 5. This topic isn't for debating PC vs. consoles, or realistic flight sims vs. arcade flight sims. Should you like discuss the PC vs. console or realistic vs. arcade debates, feel free to click on that button marked "New Topic."

[bsu legato]

<---------------(itching for an excuse)

*starts sharpening sword*

Use it!! You know what I'm talking about!!

[akt_m]

i just played ace combat 3, was fun but like all console games, is not very realistic, i saw a review of lock on: modern air combat and they said that it is so realistic that you spend 1 month just to learn how to fly with one plane. i still dont have it because i dont know if it will run fine with my computer. anyone played it?

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

naw but from what i hear its not suber realistic., just a lil more realistic than jhanes USAF.

just dont expect it to be a flanker clone.

AC3 to me kind of sucked. you shjould play 4.

MAn. ou of all the things i want back...

i REALLY HOPE AC5 HAS THE SAME MUSIC TEAM AS 2!! ac2 had some AWESOME music~~! rock for fighterjo0ck but they did it RIGHT!

[Syngyne]

Wonder if I should invest in this:

Hori Flightstick2

That looks like a knockoff of the Saitek X36 / X45 flight stick, especially the throttle which is exactly the same. If the stick performs anything like the Saitek stick, then yes, it's worth investing in. I love mine. <3<3<3

Edited April 1, 2004 by Syngyne

[Vostok 7]

That looks like a knockoff of the Saitek X36 / X45 flight stick, especially the throttle which is exactly the same. If the stick performs anything like the Saitek stick, then yes, it's worth investing in. I love mine. <3<3<3

It sure does look like a knockoff of primarily the X35/36 FCS. I love mine. The X45 is a piece of junk compared to the X35/36 IMO.

Vostok 7

[Abombz!!]

i just played ace combat 3, was fun but like all console games, is not very realistic, i saw a review of lock on: modern air combat and they said that it is so realistic that you spend 1 month just to learn how to fly with one plane. i still dont have it because i dont know if it will run fine with my computer. anyone played it?

Well... AC3 is the most unrealistic of all 4 AC games. Space jets? Fighters that use beam guns instead of vulcans? Yep... it has it all. It even has a geafront sequence where you have to fly in an extremely tight place.

Not only that.... but the gameplay is light years behind that of AC4.

[David Hingtgen]

mikeszekely already said what I was going to---that I consider myself one heck of an airplane fan, and love the Ace Combat series. If you're that elitist, then you also probably couldn't enjoy any movie ever made with planes. Of course, one should never watch a movie with me that has an airliner, they're my true passion, and they're often far more screwed up than military planes in the movies---and I'll point out every little error.

PS--isn't the "Top Gun manuever" basically the Cobra, in effect?

And AC3 does suck.

[SupremeKaioshin]

And this PC-elitest attitude has got to stop. Personally, I play games on all the systems... PC, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, and GBA. There are different games I like for each, and different genres I prefer on different platforms. Your comments aren't going to keep me or others from picking up Ace Combat 5. I'm not going to say "Gee, you're right!" and run out to my local Gamestop so I can trade in all my consoles and buy more PC games that I have to patch for an hour before I can even play. You're not hurting me any. In fact, the only one who suffers from your narrow-minding attitude is yourself, for all the great games you're missing out on.

I'm not trying to persuade you, that's a lost cause.

[Stampeed Valkyrie]

Hmm I seem to be in the minority again I didn't think AC3 was bad at all. Kinda gave the series abit of a spin by changing the story line. Otherwise it would have been another upgraded version of Air Combat like AC2 was. Now even I admit AC2 was cool but I won't agree with someone saying AC2 blew AC3 away because frankly it didnt. But AC4... yea that pretty much blew everything away and hopefully AC5 continues.

Rob

[mikeszekely]

Hmm I seem to be in the minority again I didn't think AC3 was bad at all. Kinda gave the series abit of a spin by changing the story line. Otherwise it would have been another upgraded version of Air Combat like AC2 was. Now even I admit AC2 was cool but I won't agree with someone saying AC2 blew AC3 away because frankly it didnt. But AC4... yea that pretty much blew everything away and hopefully AC5 continues.

Rob

Oh, I'm with you. Sure, there were some really weird designs (Delphinius), but a lot of the planes were heavily based on existing aircraft. The control isn't exactly light years behind AC4... I think they have very similar control. And besides, AC3 had some really interesting missions, like the one where you're chasing the train or the one where you're bombing the virus. AC4 ends up being better overall, sure, but AC3 was definately the best on the PSone.

[SupremeKaioshin]

PS--isn't the "Top Gun manuever" basically the Cobra, in effect?

And AC3 does suck.

Nah, in TopGun, Maverick just slowed his F-14A down and let the F-5 Tiger II go by. The Russians pitched their Fulcrums and Flankers noses up, do a stall, and then level off letting a foe go by. This is supposed to give the Russians fighters an edge, but at the same time losing speed for an adversary to take advantage of.

[Druna Skass]

Hmm I seem to be in the minority again I didn't think AC3 was bad at all. Kinda gave the series abit of a spin by changing the story line. Otherwise it would have been another upgraded version of Air Combat like AC2 was. Now even I admit AC2 was cool but I won't agree with someone saying AC2 blew AC3 away because frankly it didnt. But AC4... yea that pretty much blew everything away and hopefully AC5 continues.

Rob

Honestly I really liked the music and designs in AC3. The F/A-32 didn't look like a bathtub, and I've always like the R-103 Delphinus III design. Though I was kind of pissed that they took out the story in the U.S. version.

[Druna Skass]

This is supposed to give the Russians fighters an edge, but at the same time losing speed for an adversary to take advantage of.

In AC4 the AI really has a bad habit of mis-timing that move presenting you with the most beautiful target you ever saw.

[David Hingtgen]

There is quite clearly a massive pitch-up in Top Gun. Whether he stalls is debatable. A rapid pull up to 80 degrees and a massive slowdown, then recovery, is pretty close to a 95 degree pitch-up, slowdown, and recovery.

[Syngyne]

hen yes, it's worth investing in. I love mine. <3<3<3

It sure does look like a knockoff of primarily the X35/36 FCS. I love mine. The X45 is a piece of junk compared to the X35/36 IMO.

Vostok 7

What was wrong with the X45? For a while I was considering giving my X36 to friend and getting an X45 because it was new and shiny.

[Abombz!!]

This is supposed to give the Russians fighters an edge, but at the same time losing speed for an adversary to take advantage of.

In AC4 the AI really has a bad habit of mis-timing that move presenting you with the most beautiful target you ever saw.

The AI in AC4 was pretty bad. The dogfighting boiled down to spinning around till the AI go tired and left itself open for 2 missiles. Either that... or spam the high manuverability missiles and watch all AI jets drop.

Even on escort missions... the AI didn't seem to want to attack the targets. Not that I hated that... because I honestly hate escort missions.

AC3 wasn't bad at all... but the US version was. The japanese version had branching story lines. The gameplay though.... felt way too stiff for my taste (specially in the space mission)

[Gaijin]

That looks like a knockoff of the Saitek X36 / X45 flight stick, especially the throttle which is exactly the same. If the stick performs anything like the Saitek stick, then yes, it's worth investing in. I love mine. <3<3<3

It sure does look like a knockoff of primarily the X35/36 FCS. I love mine. The X45 is a piece of junk compared to the X35/36 IMO.

Vostok 7

Which is why I want this PS2 one...looks exactly like a Saitek...they probably licensed the thing to release a PS2 version. Sorta like Agetec did with their Dreamcast arcade stick (which was Sega's stick)...which was the best DC joystick.

Kinda pricy though.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

yea the tomcat cant cobra to my knowldge. David knows his schtuff so i really never cast doubt on anything he says. Hell he even knew what i was talking about when i said the VF-0 mishgt mimic the whole tomcat F-14A PW Tf30p414a debacle.

anyways. I am a BIG fan of air combat in any form. I LOVE hardcore pc flight sims but i enjoy ace combat nad such. sure ligfhthearted but what do you expect?they never said it was MEANT to be realistic. and im glad such a game can appeal to not only the diehards but casual fans too. its lke sex

kama sutra long time shtuff=pc flight sim

quikie=ace combatr.

ace combat 3 in japan rocked da house from what i hear but unfortunatley i only had the US version. and they didint have the F14. bvioulsy the wORST ace combnat solely on that favct

NOT KIDDING LOL

ace combat 4s ai JUJMPS to a satisfyingly hi when set to ace or extreme mode when they can jump ur ass and down u with 1 missle.

i disagree though, i truly believe Ace combat 2 was the best on ps one. Best music,m best sequel to a pc air comvat arcade game, GOOD ai, ind of branching, AWESOME MUSIC, GOOD variety of missions and GOOD PLANES. also the rank system and medals were a REAL nice touch.

[Coota0]

There is quite clearly a massive pitch-up in Top Gun. Whether he stalls is debatable. A rapid pull up to 80 degrees and a massive slowdown, then recovery, is pretty close to a 95 degree pitch-up, slowdown, and recovery.

I don't think he stalls i thin he just slows waaaay down. aWHat I always thought was weird is that when the F-14 pitches up like that you at the very least have trouble keeping your eyes on the target, whenever I try it in a game or sim (more likley) I roll the plane on it's back, so I can keep the enemy in sight.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

thas movies for ya!

fortunately a lot better than iron eagle. hoyl crap.

Anyone know if ace combat 2 has a sountrack available online?

[Gaijin]

Anyone know if ace combat 2 has a sountrack available online?

I don't know of one...I know there was a 2 disc set for AC4.

[SupremeKaioshin]

Here's a trick I used to do in flight sims(effective 80% of the time). Afterburn straight up(66,000 feet)...I mean Mach it shooting flares and chaff with the bogeys tailing you. When the enemy(s) runs out of short range AAM's(hopefully some longer range one's too), because of your superb ability to shake off R-73 Archers, barrel roll back to earth, cut the engines, glide, and pick off the Migs/Sukhois climbing up after you(slow climbing speed). If you run out of Aim-9's or Asraams, you should still be able to kill them with your 25mm gun. I kill alot of Flankers this way using the M-61 Vulcan cannon because the Flankers have a hard time maneuvering away when they're still climbing after you. This is my reverse cobra manuever

My other trick is when I have missiles on my ass and all I do is floor it straight down to earth(I usually like to fly around 20K+ up in the ceiling so I have enough space for this technigue)) and pull up the last second letting the missiles hit dirt. This is suprisingly effective in alot of the hardcore sim games I've played. Of course, you can't shake a fighter with this maneuver, but you can still buy time for you to become the hunter.

I usually let the Migs/Flankers chase me(radar blasting away) so I can lead them to an area where my fighter has the edge(mountaneous areas are my favorite).

I'm pretty good at killing 3-4 Flankers on any given CAP mission with AAMRAM's to spare. Fuel's a bitch though. I usually have to land or refuel Mid-Air(not an easy procedure unless you cheat by speeding up time).

Edited April 2, 2004 by SupremeKaioshin

[SupremeKaioshin]

btw, most hardcore sims allow you to place as may fighters in the air against you. When I use to play Jane's ATF(actually an arcade sim compared to the other better sims during that time), I pitted my F-22 against 20 SU-27 Flankers(I had the cheat code on where I never ran out of fuel or missiles) with a starting distance of around 100 miles. I used to have fun sneaking behind them in their flight "cluster fudge" formations and gunning down as much fighters as I could before I resorted to missiles.

My point is, even hardcore PC flight sims can be arcade like.

[Gaijin]

Ummm...ok. Point taken. So what's wrong with arcade like console games? People have fun wth them...not all the masses are up on aircraft and acm, so this lets them have fun...just like driving games and first person shooters (probably the most unrealistic of all genres).

To get back on topic...AC5 looks so good, it makes me long for an online version even more.

Edited April 2, 2004 by Gaijin

[Abombz!!]

Bullshit alert.

Ace Combat 4 is one of the most entertaining games to be released yet, and the best game out of the PS2s mediocre lineup. Ace Combat 5 is going to be awsome.

Now excuse me while I got burn my copy of Sidewinder (Lethal Skies).

[Gaijin]

Ace Combat 4 is one of the most entertaining games to be released yet, and the best game out of the PS2s mediocre lineup. Ace Combat 5 is going to be awsome.

Couldn't have said it better myself.