Spiff Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) Jessemyers Wrote: The note we got back was long...it spent a lot of time talking about the Iraq situation, and US policy. It appears Tanmen is very political and not very happy with the US. In the note he suggests he will complete option 3 for us...but then goes on to talk about how the molds are having problems (or some molds) . On the good news side...he said he would do this. On the bad news side he made some concerning statements in his note like " You are in America, this is Japan. If we were in America you could sue me, but this is Japan so you can't." Rob says (and I agree ) I am not sure what he could mean by this...but it sounds bad. Quoted from HERE in the Tanmen order Post. For information on the deal please visit this link. All this talk about US foriegn policy is crap! This was a international order, not just a US order. Just like macross world's membership is international. Tanmen is just trying to rip us off because he feels he can! Mr Tanmen we may not be able to sue you but we can affect your bottom line! Macross world members I am calling on you all to stand with your fellow members and sign this petition by clicking agree and then boycoting Tanmen models. If we all make a stand he cant get away with this. This situation has draged out for over 1 year! And there is no promise to clear it up any time soon only vailed threats to steal our money. Well I say not another order, not another bill (in any currency) should be placed in his hand for a new order till he fulfils his obligation to us macross world members and humbles himself with an open letter of apology to all macross world members. If we can get all of macross world to pledge to this petition/boycot I believe he will have no choice but to do the right thing. Once we have a number of signers I will send him a link to this page so he can see that it is in his best interest to fulfil his commitment to us. See, we dont need to sue you Mr Tanmen, we will just stand up united against you! I would appreciate us not talking of "Recasts" ESPECIALLY in this post, please. We are not trying to cheat him as he has cheated us. This is just an attemp to make him honest and complete his deal with us. PLEASE EDIT YOUR POSTS REGARDING RECASTING. Thank you, spiff Edited March 9, 2004 by Spiff Quote
Southcross Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 I'm still waiting to get my SD VF-11 from him. Jesse as always I thank you for the time taken regarding this matter. I did get my SD Ostrich and VF-1 along with the fanliner....recasts anyone? I feel that this will not be resolved it has been over a year now. I nominate my models to the molds.We do not need to sur him, just use my models(and anyone else interested) to make recasts for the believers here @ MW. Not for profit of coarse but to spread the love. hey if there is some love spreading that includes the fanliner and the Ostrich.. I'm butter (if I can afford it that is) Quote
Myersjessee Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Thanks Spiff (and everyone) for all the support. I don't think we should do anything publically...yet....I understand all your frustration (and I emulate it) but my fear is once we draw a line in the sand there is no going back....on the flip side...its been over 16 months since he said he would have everything in 3 months...anyways....well..honestly I don't know what to do.... just please dont any individual send him an angry email without getting everyone involved. I dont want to give him the basis to back out honerably. Quote
Mechamaniac Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Wow, I remember waiting a while for the fan racer on the first bulk Tanmen order, but I did eventually get it. On the flip side, I was insulted by his web site which at that time had all this anti-war crap on it. Hey, hate the war, but love the goddamned Soldier. I decided back when I saw his web site that I would not support him any longer. so in effect, I have already boycotted him a long time ago, personally. Sad that someone with such talent can't just stick to making good products and selling them to whomever wants them without trying to leverage said products to get his own personal message across. Quote
pfunk Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) Hey, He feels he can screw people over,,,,because he can!,,,,sorry bro all of his models, I say,,,whats he going to do SUE you. That is just rediculous. if thier is a sorry bro doing this, I want to be on the list for some never mind,,Im not a huge fan, but ill take one of nothing, for the love thing Edited March 9, 2004 by pfunk Quote
captain america Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 ... That's the exact look on my face when I heard about this whole mess. I still have a hard time believing that Tanmen would be such a screwball like that. Talk about lack of personal or professional integrity, REGARDLESS of his political opinions. Ironically, he makes money by sculpting/selling models of war machines... Talk about being a hypocrite Quote
pfunk Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Ironically, he makes money by sculpting/selling models of war machines... Talk about being a hypocrite thats just the icing on the cake Quote
Neova Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) ... sorry bro... back to the topic Edited March 10, 2004 by Neova Quote
tripmywire Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) I have been following this "Tanmen Issue" since last year and I almost wanted to add my name to the list of wants but was talked out of it for good reasons (thanks you guys) I have read alot of, "Why don't we (edit) the models and sell them?" ...well? Why hasn't anyone tried to (edit) Tanmen's models!? I would give my money to anyone who is honest and can (edit) the models...any day!! Edited March 10, 2004 by tripmywire Quote
Grayson72 Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 What drives me nuts is why he is explaining to us his political views, doesn't he get that we don't give a crap what his views are. No matter what they are they have nothing to do with a business deal he made. He's just trying to justify himself being a thief! Like by withholding our models he thinks he can change something in Iraq? Is he delusional? While were at it I don't agree with all of his governments actions and policies either. Shall we remind him of the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor as well? Might as well while we're exchanging rediculous and irrelevant viewpoints. Quote
Pat Payne Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 While I agree and sympathize with you all (his actions are not only reprehensible but wrong-headed -- punishing everyone in the United States because of the government's actions) I cannot join the boycott. Since I already don't buy resin kits in general (I don't like resin kits because of the safety issues inherent in resin) my joining the boycott would be meaningless. In short, I was not his customer to begin with. Still, I say godspeed on this, and I hope he gets his head forcibly pulled from his rear. Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Well, sounds like I need to add Mr. Tanmen to my list of people to skin alive... Actually I'll try to make a porno with his wife first, then send him a copy. Quote
captain america Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Well, sounds like I need to add Mr. Tanmen to my list of people to skin alive... Actually I'll try to make a porno with his wife first, then send him a copy. ROFLMAO!!!!! TAMPON!!! Seriously, say it out loud. It'll make ya feel better Quote
pfunk Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) I'm still waiting to get my SD VF-11 from him. Jesse as always I thank you for the time taken regarding this matter. I did get my SD Ostrich and VF-1 along with the fanliner....sorry bro anyone? sorry bro are already available here in HK. Sorry bro Edited March 9, 2004 by pfunk Quote
estacado06479 Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 what a cop out, i dont even think those are his actual political views, because he wouldnt hide behind them if they were. if you truly beleive in something, it doesnt become your excuse for being a thief. to paraphrase mr. wallace, regarding our inability to sue him "if he shows up in thailand, i want a motherfrakker in a bowl of rice, waiting to subpeona his ass" Quote
EXO Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 "if he shows up in thailand, i want a motherfrakker in a bowl of rice, waiting to subpeona his ass" You're sending the wolf? Quote
tom64ss Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 If he had refused to accept the money or do the order in the first place because of his views of America, I'd respect his views. I wouldn't agree with him, but I'd respect him for being a man of principal. Once he accepted the money, his political views mean jack and $hit. Accepting the money means you've accepted who, to the best of your knowledge, the funds are coming from. I'll wait on more news from Jesse before calling him a cheat, but his case doesn't look so good right now. If the translation was correct and he's using political views to reneg the terms of the "contract", Tanmen's not only a cheat, but he was already a sellout to those very principals he supposedly feels so strongly about. Quote
tom64ss Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 "if he shows up in thailand, i want a motherfrakker in a bowl of rice, waiting to subpeona his ass" You're sending the wolf? "...Sh#t estacado, that's all you had to say." Quote
Spiff Posted March 9, 2004 Author Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) I would appreciate us not talking of "Recasts" ESPECIALLY in this post, please. We are not trying to cheat him as he has cheated us. This is just an attemp to make him honest and complete his deal with us. PLEASE EDIT YOUR POSTS REGARDING RECASTING. Thank you, spiff Edited March 9, 2004 by Spiff Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 I'm still waiting to get my SD VF-11 from him. Jesse as always I thank you for the time taken regarding this matter. I did get my SD Ostrich and VF-1 along with the fanliner....recasts anyone? Re-casts are already available here in HK. Dude you have the greatest sig ever! Quote
Valkyrie Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 I would appreciate us not talking of "Recasts" ESPECIALLY in this post, please. We are not trying to cheat him as he has cheated us. This is just an attemp to make him honest and complete his deal with us. I agree. This isn't a case of two wrongs making a right. Quote
Opus Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Everyone in the US who didn't get thier models from this guy should fill out this form. It doesn't matter what country he's in the Feds will go after his ass. https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/ps8165.pdf And if that fails, my military expertise is always available for the right price. Quote
Grayson72 Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Maybe that form is something that Jesse can fill out since the deal is really with him and Tanmen. Any supporting evidence will difene the deal brokered via Jesse for us . Quote
Rune Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 Could someone please tell me how this is NOT OK and the Konig is ? Don't get me wrong I plan on buying the Konig and the others when I can, but I find it a bit contradictive that this is an issue and the other is not. Considering that from this site via MY own decisions to buy I am out around 900.00 dollers from Blacklisted MW members, One of whom ( really lets be honest) will not pay up what is owed. Also I am quit sure that there are those whether they are saying so or not that would jump at the chance to buy other kits if made available. Just a question and I'm not trying to start anything, or offend anyone. I just want consistancy Quote
estacado06479 Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 im sure SOME people (who arent me) will say it makes a difference because tanmen is still producing kits... EYE on the other hand, could not possibly give less of a crap... i will steal from your mom's house and give it to her as a present... Quote
Rune Posted March 9, 2004 Posted March 9, 2004 im sure SOME people (who arent me) will say it makes a difference because tanmen is still producing kits...EYE on the other hand, could not possibly give less of a crap... i will steal from your mom's house and give it to her as a present... He is producing kits, just not for the people that have paid for them I guess.Oh and my mom loves those earings,she says that they remind her of another pair shes' got. Quote
Less than Super Ostrich Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 Could someone please tell me how this is NOT OK and the Konig is ? Don't get me wrong I plan on buying the Konig and the others when I can, but I find it a bit contradictive that this is an issue and the other is not. Considering that from this site via MY own decisions to buy I am out around 900.00 dollers from Blacklisted MW members, One of whom ( really lets be honest) will not pay up what is owed. Also I am quit sure that there are those whether they are saying so or not that would jump at the chance to buy other kits if made available. Just a question and I'm not trying to start anything, or offend anyone. I just want consistancy anyone we know? Quote
Neova Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Could someone please tell me how this is NOT OK and the Konig is ? Don't get me wrong I plan on buying the Konig and the others when I can, but I find it a bit contradictive that this is an issue and the other is not. Considering that from this site via MY own decisions to buy I am out around 900.00 dollers from Blacklisted MW members, One of whom ( really lets be honest) will not pay up what is owed.  Also I am quit sure that there are those whether they are saying so or not that would jump at the chance to buy other kits if made available.  Just a question and I'm not trying to start anything, or offend anyone. I just want consistancy I think we can use the MAME rom trading analogy here. Mame roms project and others , makes old, unavailable, no longer manufactured or supported arcade games available to people to copy, distribute, enjoy and to relive or experience those games while preserving their art and creativity. The VB6 is like one of those old roms. IHP has currently and forseeably cease doing business with direct customers since the one and sole employee now works for Yamato. All of his old works is locked up or lost if there will be no reproduction. Tanmen is actively still working and producing models including the ones he doesn't want to sell to MWers over his crack head interpretation of how to demonstrate anti-war sentiments. Does this guy even know that MW is an INTERNATIONAL site which Macross fans from all of the world but the server is based in the US? I don't see the stars, stripes, or banners on the front page. I see the UN Spacy Kite shield. Sorry for the rant but in anycase, he is actively in the modeling business and it is ethically wrong to steal his money, like the way he is attempting to do so unto MWers who have ordered from him. Or at least that is what is interpreted. Edited March 10, 2004 by Neova Quote
Rune Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 His name is Tanman, I am owed (and as others are) for models not made for the money that has been paid. I am fully for the recasting of any model that any of the MW memebers can get that are no longer available to them. Especially the Konig and D'Stance. And on that logic for the SD Valks not to be also,givin the fact that as I stated HE (Tanman) has NO intention of making GOOD ON HIS END as we have on ours And believe me I am not talking about "hey lets all rake in the dough on this" I'm stating making for us here,peoeple that love the model kits. Quote
fernarias Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 If you paid him by sending him a check or money order and used the post office, it now falls under their jurisdiction and he can be charged with mail fraud. Here is the link: https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud...udComplaint.htm Anyone who has paid and not received the items ordered should file separate complaints. The best thing about this approach is that mail fraud fall under international law and being a citizen of Japan does not provide him immunity. In fact, that may go against him since they are less tolerant of white collar crimes and they have stiffer penalties than in the US. I would at least use the threat of charging him with mail fraud to at least get your money or items. F. Quote
estacado06479 Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 yeah, as far as i'm concerned with tanmen, i will take whatver i can get from him, adn then mass produce resin recasts, for the "dirty american capitalist dog" market. Quote
Grayson72 Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 Forget the boycott, lets all hop on a plane and pay him a little visit and then like break all his fingers Quote
estacado06479 Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 "he is TANMEN!!! you are like the buzzing of flies to him..." (end ghostbusters 2 spoof) Quote
ChristopherB Posted March 10, 2004 Posted March 10, 2004 yeah, as far as i'm concerned with tanmen, i will take whatver i can get from him, adn then mass produce resin recasts, for the "dirty american capitalist dog" market. Hello, I definitely agree with the boycott, and I was really close to joining into the large order Jesse started. I have an even better idea: We should "edit" the Tanmen kits that people here at MW were fortunate enough to receive before he flaked out, and send them as part of a care package to all of the American/Japanese Soldiers serving in Iraq, and are Macross/Robotech fans. That way they'll have a kit to build when they're not on duty. He should really get a kick out of that. It's hard to believe that the same guy who made the most detailed valkyrie ever (Club M 1/48 Ultimate Strike Valkyrie), has no sense of honor. Sincerely, Christopher Quote
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