Abombz!! Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Just kill the franchise. No matter how many times you do it... changing 1 actor won't make a movie good.Unless they get their act together and make a Bond movie that is worth that name, putting some random swave girlish man on screen won't make ppl enjoy the movie. And please..... let they choose some decent Bond girl next time. I agree... but I don't see any reason to kill the franchise. One good movie would make it worth watching again... mainly because there's no real continuity, unlike Star Trek, which really, really, really needed to be put down like Old Yeller. As for a decent Bond girl... here's an idea - why not cast a beautfiul exotic woman that we haven't seen a bazillion times before? The Bond girl should never be a "co-star", but instead a prop, really. My favorite Bond girl, the one in From Russia With Love, was a former Miss Rome, who had to have all of her lines redubbed because she no spoke-a the English. That's a Bond girl, dammit. It worked for all the great Bond movies. Why they started to court "famous" Bond girls really just shows how far the films have fallen. They didn't used to have to wager in the "star power" of a Bond girl to get people's asses in the theater. Agreed. I did like Michelle Yon(or whoever she was) in one of the latest Bond movies.... and Sophie Marceu(or how ever you spell her name) was beautiful... and I'm not jsut throwing that around. She did a pretty good job as a evil bond girl. Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 You know who'd make a good Bond? That Bateman guy. From American Psyco.Vostok 7 Dude, he is already being considered... He is on the list at 8/1 odds. His name is Christian Bale, he is my favorite on the list. Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 No, no and NO!! I like Jude Law, but he's totally wrong for Bond. It is true that Moore was Flemmings first choice for Bond, but mercifully he was unavailable when they made Dr No. I doubt they would have made more than 2 or 3 films if Moore had won the role, back then.Interestingly, Timothy Dalton was actually offered the role in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, back when Connery first walked. But he rightly felt he was too young for the role. And although it will probably draw JsARC's ire, I actually felt Dalton was pretty good in the role. He was certainly a lot closer to Flemming's Bond than Moore was. And Brosnan? He's good, but the major failing of his recent movies has been the script. The writing has been atrocious! EXO is right about the Broccolis. They need to be put out to pasture. Heck, they can put them in the same field as Berman and Braga. If they could give Brosnan just one more flick, but with a GOOD script, then I feel we'd have something memorable. So who do I like to replace Brosnan? To be honest, I don't know. I say they pick an unknown. You have the best insight on the Bond franchaise... I wish YOU were running the show at Pinewood Studios. Quote
EXO Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) I wish YOU were running the show at Pinewood Studios. I belive Pinewood Studios is the name of the facility that contains soundstage. Not an actual production company. If I was 100% sure I would have pulled an Egan Loo on you... It is inaccurate to say Pinewood Studios has a say on how a Bond movie is made. It's not listed on Flemings notes at all. Edited March 5, 2004 by >EXO< Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 I wish YOU were running the show at Pinewood Studios. I belive Pinewood Studios is the name of the facility that contains soundstage. Not an actual production company. If I was 100% sure I would have pulled an Egan Loo on you... It is inaccurate to say Pinewood Studios has a say on how a Bond movie is made. It's not listed on Flemings notes at all. huh, well I am not a detail freak... Quote
Vostok 7 Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Dude, he is already being considered... He is on the list at 8/1 odds.His name is Christian Bale, he is my favorite on the list. Yet again his character name overshadows his real name... Sucks being a not very famous actor. Vostok 7 Quote
bsu legato Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 If I was 100% sure I would have pulled an Egan Loo on you...It is inaccurate to say Pinewood Studios has a say on how a Bond movie is made. It's not listed on Flemings notes at all. LOL! But I believe A1 is refering to Eon productions. But as EXO pointed out earlier, the Bond franchise will have to be pried from the Broccoli families cold, dead hands before any improvements can be made. Quote
Blaine23 Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 All blame lies with the Broccolis. How can you trust anyone named Broccoli? I also agree that an unknown would be the best casting... many folks griped about Hugh Jackman as Wolverine before the movie came out. They promptly shut the hell up. If they had any sense they'd do this - 1. Hire a good writer. Have him write a great Bond script. It can be done. 2. Hire a good director. Preferably someone who's made a kickass indie film. 3. Pick a new Bond after 1 and 2 are completed and only then. Preferably an unknown who won't try to change 1 - the script or 2- the director. This is the formula they used to make Spiderman, X-men (eventually) and the Batman film. Seems to be working so far. Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 6, 2004 Author Posted March 6, 2004 ...If they had any sense they'd do this - 1. Hire a good writer. Have him write a great Bond script. It can be done. ... Did you like The World is not Enough (the second to last Bond)? I actually thought it was great. Then they followed up with Die Another Day which was just matrix stunts and ZERO character development. What scares the hell out of me is that Die Another Day made a ton of money, the only coment I remember about it was that it was targeted at a younger audience... Well if "targeting at a younger audience" gets you all explosions and rediculous sh!t, then I think they are on a poor track with the decision of replacing Brosnan, they said he doesn't relate to the younger audience they are going after. I think we should brace for a few more REALLY bad Bond movies. Quote
Sundown Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 I think they should pry the Bond franchise out of the Brocolli's dying hands...I'm surprised Clive Owen and James Purefoy are not on that list. Maybe James, but Clive just isn't cool enough. Those guys are also little girly-men, we need a Bond that is properly pumped up! Clive Owen is damned cool. He's just a little too broody and not suave enough for Bond. But he drives a BMW convincing-like. -Al Quote
Sundown Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Hunt for Red October - Good Jack Ryan, kick ass Jack Ryan. Ben Affleck doesn't look like a Jack Ryan, but they got a much worse John Clark. I'm mean Liev Schriber as a ruthless assassin??? Rather liked Schriber as Clark myself. Professional, no remorse. A little like the Clark of the books. Sure as heck beats heroine addict in a pimp suit that was DaFoe. But some folks loved Defoe as Clark, I'll never know why. Just looked like he was still lost on the set of Platoon the whole time. Might be that I've never seen Schriber in anything else, and that I'd read the books before the movies. -Al Quote
EXO Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Hunt for Red October - Good Jack Ryan, kick ass Jack Ryan. Ben Affleck doesn't look like a Jack Ryan, but they got a much worse John Clark. I'm mean Liev Schriber as a ruthless assassin??? Rather liked Schriber as Clark myself. Professional, no remorse. A little like the Clark of the books. Sure as heck beats heroine addict in a pimp suit that was DaFoe. But some folks loved Defoe as Clark, I'll never know why. Just looked like he was still lost on the set of Platoon the whole time. Might be that I've never seen Schriber in anything else, and that I'd read the books before the movies. -Al I was so disappointed by the casting of Defoe. When I read Clancy I imagine the young Baldwin as Ryan, actually Alec Baldwin and Ryan should be the same age depending on the book you read, and Tom Berrenger as Clark. I also imagined John Leguizamo as Ding, but they got a suitable guy for the movie. Quote
Sundown Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Clear and Present Danger - All of the sudden, Jack Ryan won't pick up a gun anymore? He went from busting caps on everyone in the first two films, to being this MacGuyver like pussy in C&PD? I didn't think C&PD Jack was that big a departure from the character in the book. There just wasn't a whole lot of Ryan pistol whipping in the novel. Except for the part where he mans the gatling door gun in the Chinook. Instead we got an ugly huey, gunless even. Boo. -Al Quote
Sundown Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 I was so disappointed by the casting of Defoe. When I read Clancy I imagine the young Baldwin as Ryan, actually Alec Baldwin and Ryan should be the same age depending on the book you read, and Tom Berrenger as Clark. I also imagined John Leguizamo as Ding, but they got a suitable guy for the movie. Yeah, Liev was a huge step up from Dafoe. And Clancy himself has stated he saw Clark as a sort of Tom Selleck-- but Tom Berrenger works nicely also. John Leguizamo would so make the perfect Ding. I mean... that *was* pretty much Ding that he'd played in Executive Decision. We can still hope for Rainbow Six, properly casted. My pick would be: Kevin Space -- Dr. Bellows Ed Harris/Sam Sheperd -- Clark John Leguizamo -- Ding Dolph Lundgren -- Weber (I know, goofy. But would be fun.) Barry Pepper or the guy who plays Strucker in Black Hawk Down -- Homer Johnson Throw in a few random Brits, Frenchmen, etc. here and there. But chances are it'll turn into a shoot-em up starring NSync or some such. At least then the name would be apt. -Al Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 6, 2004 Author Posted March 6, 2004 ...Dolph Lundgren -- Weber (I know, goofy. But would be fun.) ... ANY movie is better with Dolph. Quote
JKeats Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 After Goldeneye, Bond films have been too Hollywood-ized. Brosnan makes a great Bond, but each film suffers from the "who-plays-who and what's going to be marketed" syndrome. Dalton did a fine job in Living Daylights, but For Your Eyes Only was crap. Oh as for Roger Moore, one of my fav. Simpson's quotes sums it up nicely: "That, is a picture of Sean Connery, signed by Roger Moore..." Quote
JsARCLIGHT Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Dalton did a fine job in Living Daylights, but For Your Eyes Only was crap. Do you mean "License to Kill"? For Your Eyes Only was a Rodger Moore movie. Or are you saying that it was a crap Rodger Moore movie? I myself rather liked it, it was more down to earth than Moonraker at least. I still think if they are going to keep making Bond movies into eternity they might as well just experiment with a darker, moodier and less goof-ball Bond. They should extend that to the gadgets as well... how many grappling hooks and laser watches can you see before you just want something down to earth like a gun in an umbrella or something. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 (edited) But chances are it'll turn into a shoot-em up starring NSync or some such. At least then the name would be apt.-Al I highly doubt Tom Clancy would allow such a thing to happen... He's not usually one to bend over and let popular opinion take him in the @$$... Unlike George Lucas But then, he allowed someone to cast Ben Affleck as Ryan Vostok 7 Edited March 6, 2004 by Vostok 7 Quote
JKeats Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Dalton did a fine job in Living Daylights, but For Your Eyes Only was crap. Do you mean "License to Kill"? For Your Eyes Only was a Rodger Moore movie. Or are you saying that it was a crap Rodger Moore movie? I myself rather liked it, it was more down to earth than Moonraker at least. I still think if they are going to keep making Bond movies into eternity they might as well just experiment with a darker, moodier and less goof-ball Bond. They should extend that to the gadgets as well... how many grappling hooks and laser watches can you see before you just want something down to earth like a gun in an umbrella or something. No I meant the Moore movie, but License to Kill sucked too. How dare they maim Felix Leighter like that! Quote
Abombz!! Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 But then, he allowed someone to cast Ben Affleck as Ryan So? I rather liked Affleck as Ryan. But then again, I did enjoy the Sum of All Fears. For the next Bond.... get me Leonardo diCaprio or Elijha(sp) Wood. Quote
Abombz!! Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 ...Dolph Lundgren -- Weber (I know, goofy. But would be fun.) ... ANY movie is better with Dolph. Are you kidding? He is too girly and swave. Quote
bsu legato Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 How dare they maim Felix Leighter like that! That was actually taken from the novel "Live and Let Die" which was the 3rd or 4th Bond novel written. Leighter actaully spent the remainder of the novels with a hook for a hand, and a gimpy leg. Quote
JKeats Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 (edited) How dare they maim Felix Leighter like that! That was actually taken from the novel "Live and Let Die" which was the 3rd or 4th Bond novel written. Leighter actaully spent the remainder of the novels with a hook for a hand, and a gimpy leg. Dang, I didn't know that. Too bad for Felix. Does his wife die in the novel too? What are your guys' thoughts about Joe Don Baker being the latest U.S. contact? Always makes me laugh to see him, when I always think of him as the bad guy from The Living Daylights. I know there are a couple of other actors that resurface as different characters in the Bond flicks, but I can't remember them.... Edited March 7, 2004 by JKeats Quote
bsu legato Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 Dang, I didn't know that. Too bad for Felix. Does his wife die in the novel too? What are your guys' thoughts about Joe Don Baker being the latest U.S. contact? Always makes me laugh to see him, when I always think of him as the bad guy from The Living Daylights. I know there are a couple of other actors that resurface as different characters in the Bond flicks, but I can't remember them.... Felix was never married in the books. After getting snacked on by the shark, he retires to work for Pinkertons, then is recalled to active duty by the CIA in Thunderball. AFAIK, that was his last appearance in the original books. As for Joe Don Baker? I'm sorry, but he'll always be Mitchell to me. Mitchell....heart pounding...Mitchell!! Blood clotting....Mitchell!! Quote
JsARCLIGHT Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 Mitchell....heart pounding...Mitchell!! Blood clotting....Mitchell!! Mitchell! Mitchell! Keep your eeeeeeyyeeeeee on the sammich! Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 7, 2004 Author Posted March 7, 2004 Dang, I didn't know that. Too bad for Felix. Does his wife die in the novel too? What are your guys' thoughts about Joe Don Baker being the latest U.S. contact? Always makes me laugh to see him, when I always think of him as the bad guy from The Living Daylights. I know there are a couple of other actors that resurface as different characters in the Bond flicks, but I can't remember them.... Felix was never married in the books. After getting snacked on by the shark, he retires to work for Pinkertons, then is recalled to active duty by the CIA in Thunderball. AFAIK, that was his last appearance in the original books. As for Joe Don Baker? I'm sorry, but he'll always be Mitchell to me. Mitchell....heart pounding...Mitchell!! Blood clotting....Mitchell!! I have trouble swallowing Joe Don Baker as Jack Wade, CIA agent... I still see him as Brad Witticer, arms dealer from The Living Daylights... HEY! that was Dolph Lundgren's first movie! Quote
Blaine23 Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 Dang, I didn't know that. Too bad for Felix. Does his wife die in the novel too? What are your guys' thoughts about Joe Don Baker being the latest U.S. contact? Always makes me laugh to see him, when I always think of him as the bad guy from The Living Daylights. I know there are a couple of other actors that resurface as different characters in the Bond flicks, but I can't remember them.... Felix was never married in the books. After getting snacked on by the shark, he retires to work for Pinkertons, then is recalled to active duty by the CIA in Thunderball. AFAIK, that was his last appearance in the original books. As for Joe Don Baker? I'm sorry, but he'll always be Mitchell to me. Mitchell....heart pounding...Mitchell!! Blood clotting....Mitchell!! Heh... hadn't thought of that in eons.. But he'll always, always be Buford Pusser in my heart. Quote
J A Dare Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 (edited) Yeah, I guess thats true, though for me Hunt for Red October will always be the definitive Jack Ryan flick. Hey it even has our favorite Bond actor at the helm of a nuclear sub IMHO, Hunt for Red October was Connery's film. Ford was a strong supporting cast member as Jack. Think about the film, it really was focused on Captain Marko Ramius's story. It is my favorite Tom Clancy book-to-film adaption, but the definitive "Jack Ryan" film for me is Patriot Games. It's all him! Edited March 7, 2004 by J A Dare Quote
J A Dare Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 and Tom Berrenger as Clark. Yeah...he pretty much played a Clark like character in Sniper. Quote
EXO Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 and Tom Berrenger as Clark. Yeah...he pretty much played a Clark like character in Sniper. Not only in that movie but in the movie The Substitute did he play the same part and as an added bonus his sidekick was the guy that played ding in Clear And Present Danger. IMHO, Hunt for Red October was Connery's film. Ford was a strong supporting cast member as Jack. Think about the film, it really was focused on Captain Marko Ramius's story. It is my favorite Tom Clancy book-to-film adaption, but the definitive "Jack Ryan" film for me is Patriot Games. It's all him! The film was focused on Marko because it felt like they were still introducing Jack to the audience, and lt's face it, Sean Connery was the bigger star. Patriot games was an excellent movie, but as always...lacked the scope of the book. The onlyu thing that really excited me was the fact that I knew Clark headed that mission in the desert that Jack was watching thru the satellite. Clear and Present Danger was even less of the scope that Patriot games was because they reduced the companies that went into Central America into one company (Knife) where in the book there was several missions going on at the same time. Quote
Roy Focker Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 I have trouble swallowing Joe Don Baker as Jack Wade, CIA agent... I still see him as Brad Witticer, arms dealer from The Living Daylights... HEY! that was Dolph Lundgren's first movie! Dolph's was actual in View to a Kill. I think it's different guy in the living daylights. Quote
Jolly Rogers Posted March 7, 2004 Posted March 7, 2004 Yeah, I guess thats true, though for me Hunt for Red October will always be the definitive Jack Ryan flick. Hey it even has our favorite Bond actor at the helm of a nuclear sub IMHO, Hunt for Red October was Connery's film. Ford was a strong supporting cast member as Jack. Think about the film, it really was focused on Captain Marko Ramius's story. It is my favorite Tom Clancy book-to-film adaption, but the definitive "Jack Ryan" film for me is Patriot Games. It's all him! Did Paramount go back and digitally replaced Alec Baldwin's Jack Ryan with Harrison Ford in Hunt for Red October? Quote
J A Dare Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 Yeah, I guess thats true, though for me Hunt for Red October will always be the definitive Jack Ryan flick. Hey it even has our favorite Bond actor at the helm of a nuclear sub IMHO, Hunt for Red October was Connery's film. Ford was a strong supporting cast member as Jack. Think about the film, it really was focused on Captain Marko Ramius's story. It is my favorite Tom Clancy book-to-film adaption, but the definitive "Jack Ryan" film for me is Patriot Games. It's all him! Did Paramount go back and digitally replaced Alec Baldwin's Jack Ryan with Harrison Ford in Hunt for Red October? Ooops! hahahaha...I guess Baldwin and Ford look alike to me! Quote
EXO Posted March 8, 2004 Posted March 8, 2004 Yeah, I guess thats true, though for me Hunt for Red October will always be the definitive Jack Ryan flick. Hey it even has our favorite Bond actor at the helm of a nuclear sub IMHO, Hunt for Red October was Connery's film. Ford was a strong supporting cast member as Jack. Think about the film, it really was focused on Captain Marko Ramius's story. It is my favorite Tom Clancy book-to-film adaption, but the definitive "Jack Ryan" film for me is Patriot Games. It's all him! Did Paramount go back and digitally replaced Alec Baldwin's Jack Ryan with Harrison Ford in Hunt for Red October? Ooops! hahahaha...I guess Baldwin and Ford look alike to me! Even I missed that. But I gotta say, the best espionage storyline currently is... ALIAS. I'd miss Jack Ryan and James Bond to watch Alias. Maybe they should let J.J. Abrams write and direct the next Bond. Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 8, 2004 Author Posted March 8, 2004 Joe Don Baker is my fraternity brother. That makes HIM even cooler. Quote
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