pfunk Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 Well, Ive seen parts of DYRL and never really paid attention to the story (personal modeling reasons) And I just finished watching it yesterday from front to back and damn, What a friggin twist nothing to do with the TV at all. I should have been called Do You Remember the TV show, and hope not. It was really good, dont get me wrong, but talk about continuity......someone posted back about Macross II and that was noware near the disconnect here. I knew Minmey was a lot more,,,,mature in DYRL, but Hikaru enters in a diferent point in her life,,,,,,like shes older. Yes I did watch the Dub and it was well dubed like John Wayne (i forget who said that) meets the dislexic Zentran,,,,,Pro---------To-------Cul----ture. but the music was original and was very nice i must say. Roy had like no friggin part in the movie and was percived to be a damn near mindless drunk Minmey at 1st your like damn anime porn and then she matures at an amazing rate,,or is it just me. Hikaru doesnt seem as emotional as TV as well and falls in love FAST with Misa I enjoyed the movie, i just wish I wouldve seen it before the TV series Oh, and I liked the designs of the mecha in the TV series better, they looked more realistic Quote
Agent ONE Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 You have been poisioned by the dub... Get the subtitles. It is the greatest movie ever. Quote
treatment Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 (edited) I dunno. imo, Hikaru was alot more emotional in DYRL than in TV wrt to Minmay and the whole love-triangle. Talk about getting caught between a rock and a hard place. One of the most memorable DYRL-scenes: the break-up of the triangle. The whole sequence was just really damn good. And the fact that it's done in a mecha-anime, not a drama-anime. sweet. edit: wait. you watched the Kiseki/BestFilms-dubs??? my gawd, man! get with the program and listen to the originals (boots or pioneer-imports)! Edited February 24, 2004 by treatment Quote
pfunk Posted February 24, 2004 Author Posted February 24, 2004 Im sure that adds a little, but the basis of the story id the same. I really did like it, but the parts it differs from the TV really keeps me from really enjoying it, it sticks in my head too much . I do like the scene where that guys head gets cut off in the last fight when the Macross gets penitrated by a hit......the way Roy died i liked better in the TV. he was more of a hero thier i thinks too Quote
pfunk Posted February 24, 2004 Author Posted February 24, 2004 I dunno.imo, Hikaru was alot more emotional in DYRL than in TV wrt to Minmay and the whole love-triangle. Talk about getting caught between a rock and a hard place. One of the most memorable DYRL-scenes: the break-up of the triangle. The whole sequence was just really damn good. And the fact that it's done in a mecha-anime, not a drama-anime. sweet. edit: wait. you watched the Kiseki/BestFilms-dubs??? my gawd, man! get with the program and listen to the originals (boots or pioneer-imports)! That was one of the best parts in the movie, Im sure a lot of the guys here had that type of situation and can relate.....I thought he was going to go after her and when he didnt, I was like sweet, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well, you all know Quote
Ladic Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 I had that dubbed version on tape, I couldn't finish watching it, until I got the FX version DVD. Quote
Marso Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 Now that I've seen both, I've gotta say that I vastly prefer the storyline of the series, but the production values of DYRL were superior in terms of the costuming, artwork, and animation. Especially the scenes inside the Macross. Quote
bsu legato Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 *pulls out hair* Starting another TV vs DYRL thread...? What have you done? Quote
pfunk Posted February 24, 2004 Author Posted February 24, 2004 *pulls out hair*Starting another TV vs DYRL thread...? What have you done? sorry man, i had to get that out. I will get the DVD subbed version to see the quality of the film better. I think they were both great in thier own way, I just wish i wouldnt keep comparing the story lines of each. human nature thing going on here,,,,kinda like loving chevys because you were raised with them and then driving a 10 second mustang (speaking from experience) Quote
Beltane70 Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Did I ever mention that DYRL is my all-time favorite anime film ever? lol I have absolutely no problem with the movie being entirely different than the TV series. I've always thought that if a movie isn't a direct sequel of its predecessor, it should be different. What would the point be of making the movie exactly like the TV series? DYRL still followed the spirit of Macross, as it did pretty much follow the main plot points of the TV series. Quote
Panon Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 It was really good, dont get me wrong, but talk about continuity...... Don't get too caught up in it - DYRL has no continuity. Just enjoy it as a different way of looking at things, like an alternate universe view essentially. (Well, no continuity other than the groan worthy "it's a movie made by the people in the universe!" retcon of course) Quote
KingNor Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Well, Ive seen parts of DYRL and never really paid attention to the story (personal modeling reasons) And I just finished watching it yesterday from front to back and damn, What a friggin twist nothing to do with the TV at all. I should have been called Do You Remember the TV show, and hope not. It was really good, dont get me wrong, but talk about continuity......someone posted back about Macross II and that was noware near the disconnect here. I knew Minmey was a lot more,,,,mature in DYRL, but Hikaru enters in a diferent point in her life,,,,,,like shes older. Yes I did watch the Dub and it was well dubed like John Wayne (i forget who said that) meets the dislexic Zentran,,,,,Pro---------To-------Cul----ture. but the music was original and was very nice i must say. Roy had like no friggin part in the movie and was percived to be a damn near mindless drunk Minmey at 1st your like damn anime porn and then she matures at an amazing rate,,or is it just me. Hikaru doesnt seem as emotional as TV as well and falls in love FAST with Misa I enjoyed the movie, i just wish I wouldve seen it before the TV series Oh, and I liked the designs of the mecha in the TV series better, they looked more realistic i dont' understand the confrontational nature of this topic... you've posted a ranting and opinionated "review(?)" of dyrl with out really creating a structure for discussion. what are you trying to tell us? i've had a hard day of class today, maybe i'm just loopy. Quote
amptor Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Did I ever mention that DYRL is my all-time favorite anime film ever? lolI have absolutely no problem with the movie being entirely different than the TV series. I've always thought that if a movie isn't a direct sequel of its predecessor, it should be different. What would the point be of making the movie exactly like the TV series? DYRL still followed the spirit of Macross, as it did pretty much follow the main plot points of the TV series. I think that if I wasn't a macross fan and I came across this movie, perfect edition or not, it would still be my favorite anime movie film ever. Great story, superb artwork, and the FX english subbing is cool. I would prefer english dub (cuz I'm not a pure hardcore anime fan) but of all the bad things I heard about the dub, I am fine with the subs. Quote
PC Valkyrie Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Time to express my love for DYRL again.... Watching DYRL is the MOST EFFICIENT way of enjoying all that is Space War One in the Macross universe. The BEST traditional non-CG animation, superb background music, a more mature take on the Hikaru/Misa/Minmay love triangle, and all done within 2 hours. Can't be beat. Quote
Neova Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 You have been poisioned by the dub... Get the subtitles. It is the greatest movie ever. What he said! Quote
pfunk Posted February 25, 2004 Author Posted February 25, 2004 Well, Ive seen parts of DYRL and never really paid attention to the story (personal modeling reasons) And I just finished watching it yesterday from front to back and damn, What a friggin twist nothing to do with the TV at all. I should have been called Do You Remember the TV show, and hope not. It was really good, dont get me wrong, but talk about continuity......someone posted back about Macross II and that was noware near the disconnect here. I knew Minmey was a lot more,,,,mature in DYRL, but Hikaru enters in a diferent point in her life,,,,,,like shes older. Yes I did watch the Dub and it was well dubed like John Wayne (i forget who said that) meets the dislexic Zentran,,,,,Pro---------To-------Cul----ture. but the music was original and was very nice i must say. Roy had like no friggin part in the movie and was percived to be a damn near mindless drunk Minmey at 1st your like damn anime porn and then she matures at an amazing rate,,or is it just me. Hikaru doesnt seem as emotional as TV as well and falls in love FAST with Misa I enjoyed the movie, i just wish I wouldve seen it before the TV series Oh, and I liked the designs of the mecha in the TV series better, they looked more realistic i dont' understand the confrontational nature of this topic... you've posted a ranting and opinionated "review(?)" of dyrl with out really creating a structure for discussion. what are you trying to tell us? i've had a hard day of class today, maybe i'm just loopy. Yeah, yer a little loopy 1st off, i dont think I was ranting, if I was, i apologize, that would be MW like I stated I really liked the movie, but it was hard to follow after seeing the TV series, thats basically it in a nut shell Every post is a personal opinion, unless its informational coming from Graham, Shawn, or someone with some information What would you insert in the post for discussion? just curious? should I make it a poll? I didnt want to create a VS thread, but inadvertantly I might have Anywho, Whats a good DVD to get thats "remastered"? Quote
Sumdumgai Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Pfunk was just joking. Joking? What... is... joking? It means.... I... did not... mean it. Quote
Southcross Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Well, Ive seen parts of DYRL and never really paid attention to the story (personal modeling reasons) And I just finished watching it yesterday from front to back and damn, What a friggin twist nothing to do with the TV at all. I should have been called Do You Remember the TV show, and hope not. It was really good, dont get me wrong, but talk about continuity......someone posted back about Macross II and that was noware near the disconnect here. I knew Minmey was a lot more,,,,mature in DYRL, but Hikaru enters in a diferent point in her life,,,,,,like shes older. Yes I did watch the Dub and it was well dubed like John Wayne (i forget who said that) meets the dislexic Zentran,,,,,Pro---------To-------Cul----ture. but the music was original and was very nice i must say. Roy had like no friggin part in the movie and was percived to be a damn near mindless drunk Minmey at 1st your like damn anime porn and then she matures at an amazing rate,,or is it just me. Hikaru doesnt seem as emotional as TV as well and falls in love FAST with Misa I enjoyed the movie, i just wish I wouldve seen it before the TV series Oh, and I liked the designs of the mecha in the TV series better, they looked more realistic i dont' understand the confrontational nature of this topic... you've posted a ranting and opinionated "review(?)" of dyrl with out really creating a structure for discussion. what are you trying to tell us? i've had a hard day of class today, maybe i'm just loopy. Yeah, yer a little loopy 1st off, i dont think I was ranting, if I was, i apologize, that would be MW like I stated I really liked the movie, but it was hard to follow after seeing the TV series, thats basically it in a nut shell Every post is a personal opinion, unless its informational coming from Graham, Shawn, or someone with some information What would you insert in the post for discussion? just curious? should I make it a poll? I didnt want to create a VS thread, but inadvertantly I might have Anywho, Whats a good DVD to get thats "remastered"? pFunk, you sound like me... you need to update your sig to be like mine Quote
bsu legato Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Anywho,Whats a good DVD to get thats "remastered"? Step 1 - visit http://www.valkyrie-exchange.com Step 2 - place order Step 3 - wait 1-2 weeks Step 4 - Enjoy unaltered DYRL goodness. Quote
pfunk Posted February 25, 2004 Author Posted February 25, 2004 Yeah, reading back i think I was a little heavy on the continuity dissconnect. I will definatly get the rereleased subtitled version (I hate reading, but o well, I do it on thiese forums) I think the lack of quality in the video itself made me not see all the scenes as were supposed to be viewed so the DVD should get my attention very well as I enjoyed the movie, but the dubs and video quality were pretty unsatisfactory. One thing i will say is I liked the mecha on DYRL, but i like the TV mecha (enemy) a bit better,,,,I really liked Minmeys attitude and how she was portrayed in DYRL I have a question that maybe some can answer, but i dont want to get into debates, only facts. Why did the writers change key aspects in the charactors and story line when they made the film,,,,was it a type of what if?,given the same circumstances those people would find a way to eachother anyway and the outcome would be the same????curiosity Quote
bsu legato Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Why did the writers change key aspects in the charactors and story line when they made the film,,,,was it a type of what if?,given the same circumstances those people would find a way to eachother anyway and the outcome would be the same????curiosity The in-universe answer (which some here tend to wrongfully use as a "real life" answer) is that DYRL is merely a docu-drama, filmed some time in the 2040's. Its the "Pearl Harbor" of Space War 1. The real answer? Its hard to say exactly. Many times when an anime gets the cinematic treatment (and I don't mean an edited/abridged version of the TV series) things will get jumbled around like this. If you read up on the production of the original SDF Macross series it was actually a pretty troublesome production, what with the series length being raised and lowered seemingly on a weekly basis. To my eyes, DYRL represents sort of a "Do Over" for the Froating Heads. A chance to start over again without filler and/or repetitive episodes. Quote
KingNor Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 well the general theory on dyrl is that its a movie based on the experiences of the war. imagine it like "black hawk down" of the macross world. alot of things that happend in real life during the "black hawk down" manuvers in somalia got re-arranged, or mashed togeather to make a film 'ABOUT' the story, rather than a documentary. i happen to like that way of explaining away the diffrences. the REAL reason they changed things though, was probably just to add variaty and more action sequences. no where in the serise did they show a valk operateing with half its armor ripped off, so they made that part of how roy died. i dont' know why they added that city thing they found in the ocean. Quote
pfunk Posted February 25, 2004 Author Posted February 25, 2004 i dont' know why they added that city thing they found in the ocean. Atlantis reference?,, The making of the movie in later timeline does make a lot of sence as the outcomes were the same as far as the well known facts are concerned. Im surprised in that one aspect that they didnt cover, M&M's baby. since that seemed to be of very important historical significance and like you said with the city under the ocean Quote
Agent ONE Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 ... To my eyes, DYRL represents sort of a "Do Over" for the Froating Heads. A chance to start over again without filler and/or repetitive episodes. Thats how I see it too. Quote
pfunk Posted February 25, 2004 Author Posted February 25, 2004 is that published anyware? Im really intreged to the answer from the source Quote
Nightbat Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Many times when an anime gets the cinematic treatment (and I don't mean an edited/abridged version of the TV series) things will get jumbled around like this.To my eyes, DYRL represents sort of a "Do Over" for the Froating Heads. A chance to start over again without filler and/or repetitive episodes Exactly How many "Movies" are true to their books/series/comics Does anyone really think that big west said: "Make a movie that's a Docu-drama we can place somewhere after the 3rd Macross Series" Just because "The Macross Crew" took the trouble (or created trouble) to fit DYRL? into the timeline (much later I might add) doesn't change the fact Team Kawamori got a budget to release a movie BW did something like this: Star Trek - The Motion Picture, Beavis & Butthead - Do America, Jackass - The Movie I just consider DYRL a cinematic redo of the series, since the Macross timeline works just as well without it Quote
ewilen Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 is that published anyware? Im really intreged to the answer from the source The answer might be in the very lengthy text at the back of the Gold Book, or in notes in some other books. I have scan archive of some stuff here. Now all we need is a translator! Quote
KingNor Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 Im surprised in that one aspect that they didnt cover, M&M's baby. since that seemed to be of very important historical significance and like you said with the city under the ocean they didn't cover the baby because overall they didn't cover micronization of the zentradi at all. had they fit that part in they probably would have shown the baby. though in the timeline of the movie, there wasn't any time gaps inwich the baby could have been actually born, but they could have had her pregnant or somethinng Quote
pfunk Posted February 25, 2004 Author Posted February 25, 2004 Im surprised in that one aspect that they didnt cover, M&M's baby. since that seemed to be of very important historical significance and like you said with the city under the ocean they didn't cover the baby because overall they didn't cover micronization of the zentradi at all. had they fit that part in they probably would have shown the baby. though in the timeline of the movie, there wasn't any time gaps inwich the baby could have been actually born, but they could have had her pregnant or somethinng true, but they did show the micronization process and the DNA deal Quote
ewilen Posted February 25, 2004 Posted February 25, 2004 I think it's an open question whether giant-sized Zentradi can get pregnant, let alone give birth. (Yes, it is implied in the TV show that Kamujin and Laplamiz may have "caused a few earthquakes" before going out in a blaze of glory, but that's just sex, not procreation.) Quote
seventh-moon Posted February 26, 2004 Posted February 26, 2004 ive read into the production of the first macross series, and the words "troubled production" are an under statement. the series id grosley under budget and the episode list was expanding and decreasing every week. it was all saposed to end at episode 27. but they had to increase it by 9 episodes. DYRL is the high budget, take your time on every little detail, re-do of macross thats how i see it. i also see macross7 as an attempt to intergrate DYRL into the macross tv story for a better sequel. Quote
Memphis Egyptologist Posted February 26, 2004 Posted February 26, 2004 I liked it better when DYRL was merely a retelling of the TV story in a different manner as an independent work before it suddenly became a dramatic movie within the Macross universe Quote
Southcross Posted February 26, 2004 Posted February 26, 2004 i dont' know why they added that city thing they found in the ocean. Atlantis reference?,, The making of the movie in later timeline does make a lot of sence as the outcomes were the same as far as the well known facts are concerned. Im surprised in that one aspect that they didnt cover, M&M's baby. since that seemed to be of very important historical significance and like you said with the city under the ocean I agree completely with the "atlantis" reference... buts many milleniums of theories and myths into something tangable for the story's "reality" Now I am not trying to turn this into a Mac7 thread... but it does put together a "plausibility" for the power of music in warfare... in DYRL where Misa finds the lyrics to an ancient song and Minmay uses it as a "weapon"... there is a bit of continuity (in a round about kind of way) Quote
KingNor Posted February 26, 2004 Posted February 26, 2004 i liked singing more when it was just a part of culture that freaked out the culturless zentradi, i think it weakens the multicultural, "lets come to geather for man kind" message now that music is considered somekind of mystical superweapon and has little to do with our individual cultures Quote
seventh-moon Posted February 26, 2004 Posted February 26, 2004 ive never thought that the protoculture used music as a powerfull super weapon it just sounds stupid. and i think that if you said this to kawamori hed proboly fall over laughing. i dont remember reading anything in the compendium about protoculture musical superweapons. the zentrandi/ meltrandi just reacted when the heard such a "beautiful" way to express emotion, the reaction was the activation of certain areas of there brain that put out emotion, this made theme as close to human as possible. to me the zentrandi&human peace tready was a "cought in the moment" kind of thing. the zentrans and meltrans felt the emotion so heavely( more than others such as max and millias wedding wich can be argued as a culture shock type of thing) they never thought about their fighting instingst. such as guilds fighting supressin problems. the basis here is that the song "do you remeber love?" was just a popular song in the ancient protoculture culture nothing more. Quote
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