Neon Genesis Evagelion

[Memphis Egyptologist]

Shinji was never meant to be with Rei. They got close, may have devoloped some feelings for each other, but once the facts were discovered and laid out there was no way Shinji and Rei could have that kind of relationship.

Plus, when Rei is a clone of Yui and Lilith, it boogles the mind to even think of Shinji being attracted to her

[Anubis]

Shinji was never meant to be with Rei. They got close, may have devoloped some feelings for each other, but once the facts were discovered and laid out there was no way Shinji and Rei could have that kind of relationship.

Plus, when Rei is a clone of Yui and Lilith, it boogles the mind to even think of Shinji being attracted to her

He did not know that though. Notice the possible attraction part immiediately faded as soon as he found out, in fact he did not know how to apporach her at all anymore (possible due to the stated Oedipal realization).

One could rationalize that it wasn't really Yui though. She was created as a hybrid of Yui/Lilith and therefore something entirely different. It's still treading an odd line though, and stretching it.

However his real interest lay in Asuka anyway.

Edited February 24, 2004 by Anubis

[Blaine23]

Shinji was never meant to be with Rei. They got close, may have devoloped some feelings for each other, but once the facts were discovered and laid out there was no way Shinji and Rei could have that kind of relationship.

Plus, when Rei is a clone of Yui and Lilith, it boogles the mind to even think of Shinji being attracted to her

He did not know that though. Notice the possible attraction part immiediately faded as soon as he found out, in fact he did not know how to apporach her at all anymore (possible due to the stated Oedipal realization).

One could rationalize that it wasn't really Yui though. She was created as a hybrid of Yui/Lilith and therefore something entirely different. It's still treading an odd line though, and stretching it.

Paging Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud you have phone call at the courtesy white telephone.

[Anubis]

Shinji was never meant to be with Rei. They got close, may have devoloped some feelings for each other, but once the facts were discovered and laid out there was no way Shinji and Rei could have that kind of relationship.

Plus, when Rei is a clone of Yui and Lilith, it boogles the mind to even think of Shinji being attracted to her

He did not know that though. Notice the possible attraction part immiediately faded as soon as he found out, in fact he did not know how to apporach her at all anymore (possible due to the stated Oedipal realization).

One could rationalize that it wasn't really Yui though. She was created as a hybrid of Yui/Lilith and therefore something entirely different. It's still treading an odd line though, and stretching it.

Paging Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud you have phone call at the courtesy white telephone.

Ironically I'm taking the General Psychology class I need this semester.

Evangelion is one topic I can easily have long discussions about.

[Godzilla]

Shinji was never meant to be with Rei. They got close, may have devoloped some feelings for each other, but once the facts were discovered and laid out there was no way Shinji and Rei could have that kind of relationship.

Plus, when Rei is a clone of Yui and Lilith, it boogles the mind to even think of Shinji being attracted to her

He did not know that though. Notice the possible attraction part immiediately faded as soon as he found out, in fact he did not know how to apporach her at all anymore (possible due to the stated Oedipal realization).

One could rationalize that it wasn't really Yui though. She was created as a hybrid of Yui/Lilith and therefore something entirely different. It's still treading an odd line though, and stretching it.

However his real interest lay in Asuka anyway.

Rei is a clone from Yui and Lilith? Where was that in the series that said that? I dont remember but then again I am still have to piece things together. I thought she and the fifth child were cloned from Lilith. I think I may have to rewatch DVD 7 and 8. Also, was Shinji's father having an affair with Dr. Ritsuko and her mother? Or her mother was trying to make the moves on him and he was rejecting her? I know in the end before Shinji's father shot her, she was saying something of the effect of being his lover... I think.

It started back when Asuka moved into the apartment to do the synch training with Shinji, and he synched up perfectly with Rei right off the bat after having a tough time with her. She immediately saw competition.

I liked that episode. I laughed so hard.

[Anubis]

Rei was based off of Lilith/Yui, Kaworu off of Adam. Kaworu was also the base for SEELE's dummy plugs, as you can see his name on the side of the Eva-05 series' plugs in the movie.

The lilith part of Rei was why she was able to merge with lilith (once joined with Adam), had her own AT field, etc., and was a good base to make the dummy system for the eva's. The Yui aspect was obvious. I guess there needed to be a human element in her to be able to use her for what they needed.

Gendo's intent was to fuse with Rei, then join with lilith and direct 3rd impact his way. So there might have been a giant Gendo if it went his way. Instead, Rei took adam from him and joined lilith herself, so she could direct 3rd impact with Shinji.

Edit: fixed -05. Bad typing

Edited February 24, 2004 by Anubis

[treatment]

all i know is....

Asuka is <3

[Godzilla]

Rei was based off of Lilith/Yui, Kaworu off of Adam. Kaworu was also the base for SEELE's dummy plugs, as you can see his name on the side of the Eva-06 series' plugs in the movie.

The lilith part of Rei was why she was able to merge with lilith (once joined with Adam), had her own AT field, etc., and was a good base to make the dummy system for the eva's. The Yui aspect was obvious. I guess there needed to be a human element in her to be able to use her for what they needed.

Gendo's intent was to fuse with Rei, then join with lilith and direct 3rd impact his way. So there might have been a giant Gendo if it went his way. Instead, Rei took adam from him and joined lilith herself, so she could direct 3rd impact with Shinji.

Oh ok. Yes you are right. That would explain why Gendo wanted to fuse because he wanted to with Yui, correct?

[Anubis]

Rei was based off of Lilith/Yui, Kaworu off of Adam.  Kaworu was also the base for SEELE's dummy plugs, as you can see his name on the side of the Eva-06 series' plugs in the movie.

The lilith part of Rei was why she was able to merge with lilith (once joined with Adam), had her own AT field, etc., and was a good base to make the dummy system for the eva's.  The Yui aspect was obvious.  I guess there needed to be a human element in her to be able to use her for what they needed.

Gendo's intent was to fuse with Rei, then join with lilith and direct 3rd impact his way.  So there might have been a giant Gendo if it went his way.  Instead, Rei took adam from him and joined lilith herself, so she could direct 3rd impact with Shinji.

Oh ok. Yes you are right. That would explain why Gendo wanted to fuse because he wanted to with Yui, correct?

The only way he could be with Yui again would be for humanity to be joined together by the 3rd impact. He would in theory then be able to be reunited with Yui and as well as push humanity to its next evolutionary step.

Edited February 24, 2004 by Anubis

[Memphis Egyptologist]

Also, was Shinji's father having an affair with Dr. Ritsuko and her mother?

As stated in the Red Cross Book about Ritsuko and translated by Bochan_bird Red Cross Book, "Like her mother, she was involved in an illicit relationship with Gendou Ikari, but then rebelled against him in the final stages of the Instrumentality Project and destroyed all the clones of Rei Ayanami as a means of taking her revenge." From the program to Death and Rebirth, also the same source Death and Rebirth Program, about Naoko: "She was Gendou's lover, but then committed suicide due to their relationship."

The Yui aspect was obvious. I guess there needed to be a human element in her to be able to use her for what they needed

Naoko also realized who Rei was when she saw her for the first time. Naoko got the flash of Yui's face upon seeing Rei I and sought to determine her suspicions which were later proven in the final confrontation between Rei I and Naoko.

[mbs357]

The one I watched I downloaded, and started off with live action (which confused me a bit) and went on through what seemed to be a bit of a recap, then progressed on to new stuff. But was mostly new stuff. The file name was "End of Evangelion," so I guess that's what it is. It seemed to be comprised of two episodes, there was a break inbetween. And As Anubis said, it played on through the EVA seires ariving, with no "to be continued" thing.

Guess I'll have to check out the other movie.

So the manga has been released domestically? I was really hoping it hadn't, since I can't get anything from Japan except by downloading it. Bleh...

That's ok though...

/me reads RK manga...

Edited February 25, 2004 by mbs357

[Anubis]

Vol 1-7 of the manga are available now, vol. 8 is due April 7. Good stuff.

I want to read Vol. 8 to see how they handle things now, as they are at the part where shinji has been absorbed into Unit-01. One major difference now is that Toji was actually killed this time, and bless him Shinji tried to take a swing at his father afterward. Kaji stopped him though, and then they had a really nicely done talk later on.

They have managed to add a surprising amount more depth to the characters with the extra space. One odd thing is they have skipped an angel or two. Overall the manga is a very good interpretation so far.

[gnollman]

Overall the manga is a very good interpretation so far.

Yes, yes it is. I need to pick up #7, though, I don't have it yet....

[KingNor]

is rei a clone of shingi's mom?

if not, is she some kind of geneticly enginerred "reanimation" of shingi's mom?

if neither of those are correct, can someone give a consice and simplified explination of what / who she is?

[Blaine23]

is rei a clone of shingi's mom?

if not, is she some kind of geneticly enginerred "reanimation" of shingi's mom?

if neither of those are correct, can someone give a consice and simplified explination of what / who she is?

Yes. Yes. No.

PM Keith... or go look at a website where all this explained. It's complicated, but then again, that's Evangelion.

[Anubis]

is rei a clone of shingi's mom?

if not, is she some kind of geneticly enginerred "reanimation" of shingi's mom?

if neither of those are correct, can someone give a consice and simplified explination of what / who she is?

Rei is a cloned hybrid combining elements of Yui and Lilith.

Rei herself was unaware of exactly how much Lilith was in her apparently, and from Ep. 25 appeared afraid of how that part of her might manifest itself if released, that she would no longer be human. She isn't really a direct copy of either. As she said: she was herself. Yui happened to be part of her make-up. Remember, a lot of events in the beginning was Yui's doing/planning as much as Gendo's. She was involved with SEELE before she even met Gendo.

The human combination was necessary for Rei to act as a bridge for Adam to be joined with Lilith, alowing for the 3rd impact, and her body was thus a perfect receptacle to use for the dummy system as well. Hence the tank of Rei's. Both for dummy system parts, and also replacements for Rei herself, which a copy of her engineered soul would be implanted to. They kept some kind of a Rei "back up" in case something happened to her (which did. Twice.)

Adam and Lilith couldn't simply be joined together. Not that easy. Rei was necessary as a medium to do so.

One thing I never figure out completely was why she was falling apart in EoE? Why her AT field eroded? I could only guess that after she had actively used it to get into Terminal dogma in Ep. 24 it was destabilized. That's all I could think of, either that or some kind of pre-treatment was done to her before hand to prepare her for the joining, explaining the LCL pool she was resting in. 3rd option was it was just time for the angel in her to manifest further and her normal body couldn't hold shape. It's one thing I haven't gotten.

[Memphis Egyptologist]

Rei herself was unaware of exactly how much Lilith was in her apparently, and from Ep. 25 appeared afraid of how that part of her might manifest itself if released, that she would no longer be human.

I always liked Rei's Complementation process where she discusses her inner fears that what lies deep within her is not human and that essentially comes true when she unites with Lilith. The Albino Angel of Death-Yikes!

One thing I never figure out completely was why she was falling apart in EoE? Why her AT field eroded? I could only guess that after she had actively used it to get into Terminal dogma in Ep. 24 it was destabilized. That's all I could think of, either that or some kind of pre-treatment was done to her before hand to prepare her for the joining, explaining the LCL pool she was resting in. 3rd option was it was just time for the angel in her to manifest further and her normal body couldn't hold shape. It's one thing I haven't gotten.

Hmmm-I thought Rei used her AT Field to collapse Tabris' AT Field so Shinji could destroy him. I always figured Rei was coming apart at the seams because it was time for the angel in her to manifest itself and that presumably Rei could no longer hold human form. A bit of a later chapter in the manga mentions Ritsuko saying to Rei something along the lines that Rei could not maintain her body without help. Maybe in EOE without medical/drug treatment Rei's human form decays? It could even be the close proximity of Adam to Rei that accelerates the awakening or decay process. Adam was in suspended animation and sealed presumably in a shielded container until Gendou fused with Adam.

[Angel's Fury]

is rei a clone of shingi's mom? 

if not, is she some kind of geneticly enginerred "reanimation" of shingi's mom?

if neither of those are correct, can someone give a consice and simplified explination of what / who she is?

Rei is a cloned hybrid combining elements of Yui and Lilith.

Rei herself was unaware of exactly how much Lilith was in her apparently, and from Ep. 25 appeared afraid of how that part of her might manifest itself if released, that she would no longer be human. She isn't really a direct copy of either. As she said: she was herself. Yui happened to be part of her make-up. Remember, a lot of events in the beginning was Yui's doing/planning as much as Gendo's. She was involved with SEELE before she even met Gendo.

The human combination was necessary for Rei to act as a bridge for Adam to be joined with Lilith, alowing for the 3rd impact, and her body was thus a perfect receptacle to use for the dummy system as well. Hence the tank of Rei's. Both for dummy system parts, and also replacements for Rei herself, which a copy of her engineered soul would be implanted to. They kept some kind of a Rei "back up" in case something happened to her (which did. Twice.)

Adam and Lilith couldn't simply be joined together. Not that easy. Rei was necessary as a medium to do so.

One thing I never figure out completely was why she was falling apart in EoE? Why her AT field eroded? I could only guess that after she had actively used it to get into Terminal dogma in Ep. 24 it was destabilized. That's all I could think of, either that or some kind of pre-treatment was done to her before hand to prepare her for the joining, explaining the LCL pool she was resting in. 3rd option was it was just time for the angel in her to manifest further and her normal body couldn't hold shape. It's one thing I haven't gotten.

Who or what is Lilith?

Who is Adam?

[KingNor]

so rei is a geneticaly created human, with bits and peices of shingis mom, and those two other entitys. she's a human built out of parts of one of the angels?

she's essentialy a testtube baby, and mass-produced.

the other bodys of her that they have are spare parts and not complete rei's?

does rei maintain her memorys when she dies? like on a computer back up or something.

do the mangas get into this stuff and break it down a bit clearer?

[Anubis]

Hmmm-I thought Rei used her AT Field to collapse Tabris' AT Field so Shinji could destroy him.  I always figured Rei was coming apart at the seams because it was time for the angel in her to manifest itself and that presumably Rei could no longer hold human form.  A bit of a later chapter in the manga mentions Ritsuko saying to Rei something along the lines that Rei could not maintain her body without help.  Maybe in EOE without medical/drug treatment Rei's human form decays?  It could even be the close proximity of Adam to Rei that accelerates the awakening or decay process.  Adam was in suspended animation and sealed presumably in a shielded container until Gendou fused with Adam.

Those are good points, maybe Adam did accelerate the dacay.

Also, it would be plausible that she had been getting teatment all along to sustain her form, and keep the Lilith part of her bottled up. Also why it was literally a tank of Rei's, the LCL "kept them in the fridge" as it were. They slowed or stopped part of the treatment to prepare her for the joining.

To answer King Nor:

The spare Rei's were literally spare copies of Rei. They could probalby grab one, do whatever treatment they needed to do and insert the memory/"soul" back up into the copy. They had to have been backing up her memory, because Rei III was only missing recent memory, likely that day or a couple days max. She didn't know the circumstances of her "death" until Shinji told her she had saved him. She immediately knew then she was the third.

This is why Rei had seen herself as expendible on a couple of occasions, and said once specifically, "if I die I can be replaced" as she went out to fight Zeruel I think it was. Everyone thought she meant with someone else, she meant it quite literally in fact.

Another way to describe her could be a human with the traits of an angel within her. Enogh to be compatible with Lilith.

Lilith and Adam were the first two angels. Sachiel was the third. They would be one and two respectively. Humanity was spawned from Lilith, making us the 18th angel. Lilith was the Angel mounted on the cross, her blood forming the LCL pool they drew from with the Eva's. That's why on the door it said something to the effect of LCL plant. Shinji's assertion that it the LCL smelled like blood was dead on. The angels apparently thought it was adam in terminal dogma, but mistaken. Adam was the embryo delivered to Gendo, which he had embedded in his hand to allow him to fuse with Rei and in turn Lilith. Rei removed him from the equation was all in EoE. Somehow 2nd impact reduced Adam to that embryonic form. The lance was discovered the same time as adam in antarctica. Experiments then ensued. They never said where they found lilith. In the Geo Front is my guess, they never specied in the show. Maybe the manga will.

Edited February 25, 2004 by Anubis

[Memphis Egyptologist]

The spare Rei's were literally spare copies of Rei. They could probalby grab one, do whatever treatment they needed to do and insert the memory/"soul" back up into the copy. They had to have been backing up her memory, because Rei III was only missing recent memory, likely that day or a couple days max.

Here's something to ponder, as translated from the Red Cross Book Red Cross Book"Although the personalities of these three Rei differ from one another, this is due to environmental factors. Their soul is one and the same, and it appears to have been that of Lilith." I've always wondered after seeing Naoko's encounter with Rei I if the first Rei clone contained a bit too much of Yui's personality. Rei I called Naoko an "Old Hag" and when pointed out that wasn't nice Rei I responded that Commander Ikari is the person who called her that. Maybe Yui did know of Naoko's intentions toward Gendou and tended to make fun of her behind her back. Hence, the final realization by Naoko equating Rei I and Yui as the same, which drove Naoko to suicide after strangling Rei I. I just got the Director's Cut episodes of this, but have tests to study for . Maybe I can watch them Spring Break.

Edited February 25, 2004 by Memphis Egyptologist

[Godzilla]

They never said where they found lilith. In the Geo Front is my guess, they never specied in the show. Maybe the manga will.

I thought they found Lilith in the same cavern they were in. If I remember correctly, adam was in embryotic shape in a perfectly sphered underground like the one they have in Tokyo-3. Am I wrong in assuming that?

[Anubis]

They never said where they found lilith.  In the Geo Front is my guess, they never specied in the show.  Maybe the manga will.

I thought they found Lilith in the same cavern they were in. If I remember correctly, adam was in embryotic shape in a perfectly sphered underground like the one they have in Tokyo-3. Am I wrong in assuming that?

Another thing that was never really specified, but it's safe to guess they found another geo-front in antarctica that contained Adam and the lance. I would really think Lilith was found in Japan's geo-front That's why it was there. Again, this is one more thing I hope they say clearer in the manga. Though Lilith's egg was under the geofront anyway, so there you go.

Adam was found full size in antarctica, the white eva-looking giant that was shown. How they reverted him to the embryonic form is a mystery, most likely having something to do with the lance from what I can gather. The second impact explosion was on purpose for that reason.

[KingNor]

i'd kind of forgotten about the lance, what is that all about?

i really wish the show had been more about the angels, i find them utterly facinating. is the lance man made (i dont' think so but its all so bizzare) and even if it is, whats the deal with it. everyone in the show seems to know about it even though it just sorta shows up and rei chucks it at some angel.

is there any back story on that thing?

and what was the first impact?

[Anubis]

i'd kind of forgotten about the lance,  what is that all about? 

i really wish the show had been more about the angels, i find them utterly facinating.  is the lance man made (i dont' think so but its all so bizzare) and even if it is, whats the deal with it.  everyone in the show seems to know about it even though it just sorta shows up and rei chucks it at some angel.

is there any back story on that thing?

and what was the first impact?

That's the great mystery. How Adam, lilith, and the lance arrived here in the first place. Are they from God? or what are they? This is where you can draw your own opinions.

The lance itself wasn't man made, though SEELE somehow had copies of it made. The lance was discovered the same time as adam. Nerv staff knew of the lance, but few had ever actually seen it, or knew that it had been picked up from Antarctica. Those that did know it was in Terminal Dogma, did not know what it was for. All except for the few that directly worked on those aspects of the project. Even Misato was in the dark about it other than knowing it was there. Very few knew exactly what the setup in terminal dogma was, only that Adam and the Lance were supposed to be in there.

As for 1st impact, it was the asteroid that eventually caused the dinosaur's extinction. Since 2nd Impact was blamed on an asteroid collision, it was given the name 2nd impact. The term 3rd impact kinda stuck within NERV because it would wipe us out as well.

Edited February 26, 2004 by Anubis

[Memphis Egyptologist]

That's the great mystery. How Adam, lilith, and the lance arrived here in the first place. Are they from God? or what are they? This is where you can draw your own opinions.

Quoting the Red Cross Book movie program Red Cross Bookconcerning the Lance: "However, it appears that the original use of the Lance is not as a weapon, but that it is a necessary item for Instrumentality (Complementation) using Lilith." And about the Angels: "Beings originated from the source of life called Lilith. They take various sizes and shapes: from a giant octahedron to a minute Angel the size of bacteria, or even a 'shadow' Angel without tangible form. Borrowing Fuyutsuki's words in episode 26', it seems that Angels are beings which got the 'Fruit of Life' whereas humanity got the 'Fruit of Wisdom'. In other words, 'Angels' are another form of humankind with the same potential as humans. Thus, humans are the 18th Angel. " In the end, I think that is as close as anyone at Ganinax has ever come to explaining the relations in Evangelion as they stated that the mysticism present in Evangelion was used to merely convey a story and not any deep meaning. Quote by assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki . Anno may know the overall answer as to where Lilith, Adam, and the lance came from, but he's moved away from animation in general I believe. Maybe since the manga is ongoing, these questions might be answered. Personally, I like the element of unanswered questions because everytime I watch Evangelion and EOE, I think of new viewpoints and interpretations.

Edited February 26, 2004 by Memphis Egyptologist

[Anubis]

That's the great mystery. How Adam, lilith, and the lance arrived here in the first place. Are they from God? or what are they? This is where you can draw your own opinions.

Quoting the Red Cross Book movie program concerning the Lance: "However, it appears that the original use of the Lance is not as a weapon, but that it is a necessary item for Instrumentality (Complementation) using Lilith." And about the Angels: "Beings originated from the source of life called Lilith. They take various sizes and shapes: from a giant octahedron to a minute Angel the size of bacteria, or even a 'shadow' Angel without tangible form. Borrowing Fuyutsuki's words in episode 26', it seems that Angels are beings which got the 'Fruit of Life' whereas humanity got the 'Fruit of Wisdom'. In other words, 'Angels' are another form of humankind with the same potential as humans. Thus, humans are the 18th Angel. " In the end, I think that is as close as anyone at Ganinax has ever come to explaining the relations in Evangelion as they stated that the mysticism present in Evangelion was used to merely convey a story and not any deep meaning. Quote by assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki . Anno may know the overall answer as to where Lilith, Adam, and the lance came from, but he's moved away from animation in general I believe. Maybe since the manga is ongoing, these questions might be answered. Personally, I like the element of unanswered questions because everytime I watch Evangelion and EOE, I think of new viewpoints and interpretations.

Thank you, it's good to see someone has the Red Cross book to reference from at least.

[KingNor]

Personally, I like the element of unanswered questions because everytime I watch Evangelion and EOE, I think of new viewpoints and interpretations.

me too, i like alll the diffrent views, its so awsome.

[Jemstone]

Adam was found full size in antarctica, the white eva-looking giant that was shown.  How they reverted him to the embryonic form is a mystery, most likely having something to do with the lance from what I can gather.  The second impact explosion was on purpose for that reason.

From what I understand (haven't watched Eva in over 5 years) Second impact was when/the result of Adam reverting into an embryo despite that it says the Angels were all from Lilith. When that happened the other "attacking" angels (including Kowaru) were all created from Adam and seperated into individual angels from him during 2nd Impact. Don't know if this counts for each Angel but it seemed to in Kowaru's case.

The Angels were trying to return to Adam believing he was in Terminal Dogma and thus attacked NERV HQ. Evidence to support this is Kowaru's age of 14 (he was born the year of 2nd Impact) and was found in the sea as his last name Nagisa translated suggests. A process that may not have been very different from the first Impact when humans (Lilim is a term that can describe the ANgels too, no?) were created from Lilith.

How exactly 2nd Impact was triggered or what made Adam seperate is a mystery. Most likely the work of the team Misato's father was a part of. My guess is they poked Adam with the Lance of Longinus discovering the pwer it had over Angels.

At least that's what I got from it. Haven't brushed up on Eva in years.

Edited February 26, 2004 by Jemstone

[Memphis Egyptologist]

How exactly 2nd Impact was triggered or what made Adam seperate is a mystery. Most likely the work of the team Misato's father was a part of. My guess is they poked Adam with the Lance of Longinus discovering the pwer it had over Angels.

As Misato tells Shinji in EoE, Second Impact was planned on purpose to minimize the damage caused if Adam and the other Angels awoke first. Quoting from the Death and Rebirth program Death and Rebirth Program: "In the year 2000, SEELE and Gendou attempted to minimize the damage by reducing the 1st Angel Adam to embryo form before the other Angels awakened. As a result, the 1st Angel Adam exploded in Antarctica, causing floods, volcanic eruptions, abnormal weather and other cataclysms around the world and killing half the world's population. " Gendou and SEELE wanted time to prepare before the Angels could reach Adam, so they had the research team push the Lance into Adam to revert Adam into an embronic state. The fact that Gendou left before the experiment Misato's father conducted was a sure sign he knew what would happen. If I remember, the security camera footage in Death and Rebirth and The Director's Cut had people yelling to pull the Lance out but it had sunk in too deep. Therefore, Second Impact occured and Adam reverted into an embryo.

However, I thought the angels were themselves already separate from Adam as both Adam and Lilith were sources of Life. I figured they were slumbering elsewhere and according to SEELE's scrolls, were to awaken soon.

[Golden Arms]

I think they were already separated as well. When Kawarou confronts Shinji in terminal Domga he made the mistake in assuming that the angels all came from Adam. Which he later learns is a mistake. If memory serves me correctly, the evas are the only beings that came from Adam.

[Anubis]

How exactly 2nd Impact was triggered or what made Adam seperate is a mystery. Most likely the work of the team Misato's father was a part of. My guess is they poked Adam with the Lance of Longinus discovering the pwer it had over Angels.

As Misato tells Shinji in EoE, Second Impact was planned on purpose to minimize the damage caused if Adam and the other Angels awoke first. Quoting from the Death and Rebirth program Death and Rebirth Program: "In the year 2000, SEELE and Gendou attempted to minimize the damage by reducing the 1st Angel Adam to embryo form before the other Angels awakened. As a result, the 1st Angel Adam exploded in Antarctica, causing floods, volcanic eruptions, abnormal weather and other cataclysms around the world and killing half the world's population. " Gendou and SEELE wanted time to prepare before the Angels could reach Adam, so they had the research team push the Lance into Adam to revert Adam into an embronic state. The fact that Gendou left before the experiment Misato's father conducted was a sure sign he knew what would happen. If I remember, the security camera footage in Death and Rebirth and The Director's Cut had people yelling to pull the Lance out but it had sunk in too deep. Therefore, Second Impact occured and Adam reverted into an embryo.

However, I thought the angels were themselves already separate from Adam as both Adam and Lilith were sources of Life. I figured they were slumbering elsewhere and according to SEELE's scrolls, were to awaken soon.

Hmm, very true.