Cyclone Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I assume as much as well, but how much of a differences was made to another artist mistake, the Love & War cover with the wrong Max color scheme.... Cyc
Knight26 Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I am now considering calling in all my old squadmates, including the tank commanders, helo pilots, special forces operatives, black ops boys, CIA agents, NSA agents and a few others who are even more badass. Mind you they are all macross fans, some hardcore, trust me the pranks I pulled in high school and college would be nothing. Sheol given the time, money and patietence some of them could make HG never exist. Now I'm really tempted to call them. BTW, I am not kidding or exagerating this at all.
Legioss Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I just think this is funny. They're actually tracing Macross Plus for the comics. Like I'd pay money for these turds when I have real anime and manga. Daidalus has been asking me if I've bought Robotech Invasion yet. I can see now that I don't have to. What's in it that I have to pay for? Nothing that matters. Have you seen the sales numbers for the Robotech comics? Robotech is swirling the bowl and they're about to make another one!
Apollo Leader Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Just to add some more blood in the water, it's been repeatedly said by a number of the Harmony Gold/robotech.com guys that they had ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS in incorporating any of the Macross sequels into Robotech. Besides breaking this "promise" (Harmony Gold keeping a promise, ha!), Harmony Gold is close to breaking Big West's LEGAL US copyright for Macross Plus if they procceed with that artwork either on the cover or within the comic.
Duke Togo Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) 100% PURE MACROSS - ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES Edited February 19, 2004 by Duke Togo
EXO Posted February 19, 2004 Author Posted February 19, 2004 100% PURE MACROSS - ACCEPT NO SUBSITUTES 100% PURE MACROSS - ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES
Roy Focker Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Alien Invasions and acts of God aside Macross World does not endorse gathering your own A-Team to attack Harmony Gold.
Nightbat Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Well, seems on some other board, they discovered the picture as well and from the comments they can't figure it out either But they are correct about one thing: Macross purists are having another fit with this one. I still think there something funny about that picture -as in: using it for a cover
EXO Posted February 19, 2004 Author Posted February 19, 2004 Alien Invasions and acts of God aside Macross World does not endorse gathering your own A-Team to attack Harmony Gold. That's only if no one else can help, and if you can find them...
bsu legato Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I dare HG to try "borrowing" the VF-0. Heck, I'll double dog dare them. Whats the matter, Tommy Yune? Chicken?
Duke Togo Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Alien Invasions and acts of God aside Macross World does not endorse gathering your own A-Team to attack Harmony Gold. We've done it before, Roy. Got websites behind us, too. The main MW page even featured the MFA logo for a time.
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 ehe even if HG tried using VF-0 in the comics...not like they draw it right Good god man no offenne but even udon is making like the WORST drawings of valks....not that comico was good either but shoot i am disgusted
Agent ONE Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Alien Invasions and acts of God aside Macross World does not endorse gathering your own A-Team to attack Harmony Gold. LOL, no need for a team. I work alone.
Radd Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I gotta go with AgentOne on this one, there's no reason to get all upset just yet. I mean, it's obviously a copy of the famouse YF-19 picture, it's probably just a place holder for the rough. I would assume this is a rough, at least, given the quality of the artwork. People here tend to forget that a lot of Robotech fans are also Macross fans, some of them even unaware of the legal mess surrounding all of it. Some of them just not caring. If this was the final, finished, official cover, and HG was trying to use post-tv series Valkyries in it's own comics and whatnot, then there'd be more than enough reason for fans to get all up in arms.
Duke Togo Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Many of us have seen the records. The US Copyright Office recognizes Big West's legal claim to Macross Plus and Macross II. Its registered, you can look it up. This is a clear violation of US copyright law.
justvinnie Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Wasn't there a disclaimer by HG that releasing Macross related merchandise Stateside would cause "market confusion"? If this isn't confusing I don't know what is... vinnie
Agent ONE Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Here is another thought: (as I work in Marketing) Could it be that HG just released this pic to create controversy so Macross fans buy the issue just to see!!!? Think about it... Its something I would do.
EXO Posted February 19, 2004 Author Posted February 19, 2004 damn yellow dancer is hot Yeah, I bet she has a little surprise for you too.
the white drew carey Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Here is another thought: (as I work in Marketing)Could it be that HG just released this pic to create controversy so Macross fans buy the issue just to see!!!? Think about it... Its something I would do. I wouldn't put that past them, but they should know by now that only one of us needs to sacrifice his pride and dish out the dough for the comic, just so he can post scans of anything "wrong" afterwards. Then again, we must remember that this is the company that put out Robotech 3000 and then tried to back-peddle saying that it was only a joke.
Duke Togo Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 We need to do something to try to notify Big West about this. Either by Graham through Yamato, or by Egan Loo directly to BW.
Nightbat Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 We need to do something to try to notify Big West about this. Either by Graham through Yamato, or by Egan Loo directly to BW. That's something I hinted at a page (or so) back anyways, as -yet again- we can only sit and wait what happens, when it happens, if it happens
Wes Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Let's just take it easy. Everyone says it's crap - it's not against the law to sell crap. If they try to sell it, it may be different.
Nightbat Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Everyone says it's crap Actually: there are hundreds of misguided fools who worship a religion stolen from someone else and will not accept it is crap, thereby keeping the crap on the shelves Only the Purists on this site will know it's crap
ewilen Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) We need to do something to try to notify Big West about this. Either by Graham through Yamato, or by Egan Loo directly to BW. Well, I emailed Manga pointing out that the image was the same as on the cover of their M+ OAV DVD vol. 2 and asking if they were aware of what's going on. So maybe that will help set the wheels in motion. Edited February 19, 2004 by ewilen
Roy Focker Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Alien Invasions and acts of God aside Macross World does not endorse gathering your own A-Team to attack Harmony Gold. LOL, no need for a team. I work alone. At this very moment your attacking their front door knob.
Angel's Fury Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) We need to do something to try to notify Big West about this. Either by Graham through Yamato, or by Egan Loo directly to BW. Well, I emailed Manga pointing out that the image was the same as on the cover of their M+ OAV DVD vol. 2 and asking if they were aware of what's going on. So maybe that will help set the wheels in motion. Many of us have seen the records. The US Copyright Office recognizes Big West's legal claim to Macross Plus and Macross II. Its registered, you can look it up. This is a clear violation of US copyright law. Good job ewilen! Duke, ewilen if we hear somewhere in the newswires that HG has a lawsuit coming their way then.......it confirms it. Edited February 19, 2004 by Angel's Fury
Pat Payne Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 WTF!!! I can only find one picture to represent my emotions. How about this one? If what's happening is what I think is happening, I'd gladly send this guy out to deal with them...just say they called him a "mendicant..."
Graham Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 We need to do something to try to notify Big West about this. Either by Graham through Yamato, or by Egan Loo directly to BW. Whoa........before I report this to Yamato so they can pass it on to BW, I want to make sure that the YF-19 is actually going to appear on the comic cover or in the comic. That piece of black and white art is obviously just a rough image, not the final cover. So let's just wait and see. Anyway, even reporting it to Yamato may not achieve anything. I reported the Toynami DYRL Super Poseables a week or so ago and so far have not recieved a reply I'm beginning to wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes with HG and BW that we don't know about yet. Graham
rikiryou Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Huh, so the Toynami DYRL Super Poseables aren't exactly official? Time for me to catch up on stuff I missed again.
Roy Focker Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 I'm beginning to wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes with HG and BW that we don't know about yet. Graham Well HG says the DYRL? Super Poseables are legit but are keeping quiet on how. Yamato is also slow getting back to Graham. Deals can be made in which both parties agree to keep certain parts of the deal a secret until it's final. Either that or both sides are playing their usual game of who get away with the most until the other sides lawyers makes a phone call.
Agent ONE Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 ...I'm beginning to wonder if there is something going on behind the scenes with HG and BW that we don't know about yet. Graham As to DYRL, in a US release, and to a lesser extent other Macross stuff, I'd give you an 80% probability rating that this is true. You guys have to keep in mind EVERYBODY loses if this legal stalemate continues... The fans can't get the products they want... HG has no content to distribute... And Big West sits on content that would be a hit in the US however never goes anywhere. If they do strike a deal, even a not so great deal for one party or the other, just to get product moving EVERYBODY wins.
Anubis Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 (edited) Lot's of things don't add up here, nor smell right yet. It's possible a deal has been made, and both are being mum about it. Macross 7 Trash was squelched way faster than this though. As though a secret hammer fell. For these to be allowed to linger like this is strange. It would be nice if we had at least an inkling of what was going on. The DYRL bit is confusing enough. A 19 potentially showing up in the RT comic is bordering twilight zone level crap. I'm holding out hope that an aggreement for DYRL was hammered out. Everyone will benefit from the 20th avviversary exposure. A 19 in RT is just . Maybe a condition HG tacked on since they can't come up with anything else new themselves? Access to some mecha designs? A nod to when Battletech used lots of macross mecha under different guises? Another reason the "YF-4" has not transformed yet being they weren't sure which transformation they were going to be able to use? I am now in conspirasy theorist mode Edited February 19, 2004 by Anubis
Graham Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Lot's of things don't add up here, nor smell right yet.It's possible a deal has been made, and both are being mum about it. Macross 7 Trash was squelched way faster than this though. As though a secret hammer fell. For these to be allowed to linger like this is strange. I'm wondering if Macross 7 Trash was just dropped, because well the US publisher may have realised it probably wouldn't have sold very well, not because of any licensing issue. Despite the 'Macross 7' in the title, Trash actually has only a slim connection with Macross 7 and the original characters and sod-all in the way of mecha action. Personally, I don't rate it either as a Macross title or as a stand alone Manga. I'm a hard core Macross 7 fan. I love the anime, characters, and mecha. I have all the toys, models, books and CDs, but to be honest, I'd have no interest in buying an English language version of Trash and I even feel my Japanese editions were a waste of money. Realistically speaking, how many hard core Macross 7 fans are there in the US that would actually buy this manga, a couple of hundred at most? Or perhaps the publisher hoped to sucker Robotech fans into buying it when they saw the name 'Macross' on the cover. Just my 2 cents. Graham
Keith Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 If Trash were dropped due to lack of projected interest, all official records of its announcement wouldn't have dissapeared without any signs whatsoever left. Obviously a legal smack-down. My personal guess, they licensed it from the french company releasing it instead of Big West. Thought they could get away with it, then didn't As for this whole YF-19 thing, I'm as hardcore anti-HG as the next guy (if not more so). However, unless it's an actual featured part of the comic, just appearing in the background of a shot is perfectly fine. It falls under "parody." It's the same reason Studio Nue can use the Arcadia in a background shot in Macross, amongst many other such visual gags that occur in anime & manga. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go take a shower to wash the dirt away for actually defending such a blatantly wrong action by hg........::shudders::
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