Pat Payne Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 So, again, either HG has obtained permission from BW, or HG has just made a big leap in terms of what they're claiming to own on the basis of the 1982 BW/TP memorandum. Just being my usual, cynical self, I'd assume the latter. It seems to fit in with HG's MO. They haven't said exactly what they feel they own because they calim to own it all. (Of course, that's a crock, or as it's been said ad nauseam here, they'd have run crying to their lawyers back in the '90s over Mac Plus). Instead, theyprobably found a convinient peg for marketing and are running for it. The problem with Nightbat's theory is that assuming that they did buy the license from ARII, it would still be pretty restrictive. While there were AFAIK no region restrictions (ARII Macross product was available as late as 1998 at Suncoast Video in malls in America) in the agreement, wouldn't they have to fulfill the license with the product that ARII was producing at the time the license was inked? For instance, if ARII was making 1/100 action figures of x, y, and z, and Toynami goes and makes either a 1/55 action figure of x or a 1/100 of q, wouldn't that be a violation of the license? Quote
Apollo Leader Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Hey Graham! Any news or developments yet on the Yamato/Big West end of things? Quote
ewilen Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) Answer to Pat: In my non-expert opinion, that would depend on the specifics of the license. If the license was restricted to a specific scale or specific subjects, then even if it could be transferred--which probably isn't a given--it couldn't be used for other scales and subjects. But if it just said "toys based on transforming fighters appearing in DYRL", it wouldn't matter what ARII happened to be making at the time. So the ARII 15th anniversary figures appeared in the US via normal distribution channels at a major retailer like Suncoast? I didn't know that. Edited February 16, 2004 by ewilen Quote
Graham Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Hey Graham! Any news or developments yet on the Yamato/Big West end of things? Nope, hothing. Complete silence so far Graham Quote
Pat Payne Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 (edited) So the ARII 15th anniversary figures appeared in the US via normal distribution channels at a major retailer like Suncoast? I didn't know that. Oh yeah. In fact, up when I was going to college in Oregon last year, I could still fing the ARII 15th Anniversary models at a local gaming shop. And, guys, we're probably only going to hear from BW and Yamato after the official unveiling of the DYRL figures, at which time they'll have already consulted with their lawyers and finally send out a message to HG that in effect says "put up (i.e. show us your license contract in a court of law) or shut up." Rest assured that right now, they probably have their lawyers on both sides of the Pacific working on this, and they'll tell the world in the fullness of time. That is, unless they DID make an agreement with HG, in which case, the rising of the Antichrist will be all the confirmation we need Edited February 16, 2004 by Pat Payne Quote
eugimon Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 or in a surprise move... HG bought out BW in order to quell all the talk about HG raped BW... an HG spokesperson will soon say. "All this talk about how HG is exploiting their unlawful copyrights can finally come to an end!" Quote
JELEINEN Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Does anyone else remember an artist for one of the Robotech comics posting on this board talking about how he got in trouble with HG for using DYRL? designs? Quote
the white drew carey Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Does anyone else remember an artist for one of the Robotech comics posting on this board talking about how he got in trouble with HG for using DYRL? designs? Here it is: Robotech: Covert Ops Quote
bsu legato Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 I remember that topic too, but did he actually say that he got in trouble? Quote
the white drew carey Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 I remember that topic too, but did he actually say that he got in trouble? I thought he said that no one cared. He just used the DYRL designs because he liked them more. But I can't Rekall®... Quote
EXO Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 At the bottom of the page it says that it's the reason Antartic lost the contract for the RT license. I forgot who the member was. The artist is listed as Gregory Lane which leads me to believe that it's Glane that did this. As a stand-alone book, or as a sequel to Megastorm, Covert Ops works fine. But as a part of the greater tapestry that is the Robotech universe, it fails miserably. Still, worth a look, especially if you're curious why Antarctic Press lost the Robotech comic book license ... Quote
bsu legato Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 I think you're right, EXO. Heck, Glane is still a member here so why don't we just ask him? http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showuser=168 Quote
ewilen Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Also look at http://robotechcomics.50megs.com/intro.html Antarctic claimed that they lost the license because Harmony Gold wanted all their licenses back, probably in preparation for the then-upcoming Robotech 3000 TV series and had nothing to do with Harmony Gold's dissatisfaction with their work. However, sources within Harmony Gold claim that Antarctic lost the license because they failed to run things by Harmony Gold for approval; the appearance of designs from the 1984 film Macross The Movie: Do You Remember Love? in such titles as Covert Ops and the regular color Robotech series, for instance, was not approved by Harmony Gold. But even if that's what really happened, we don't know for sure if HG was concerned about legal repercussions, or if they just didn't want to use DYRL designs in Robotech for stylistic reasons (and to keep the continuity hounds off their backs). Quote
EXO Posted February 16, 2004 Posted February 16, 2004 Also look at http://robotechcomics.50megs.com/intro.htmlAntarctic claimed that they lost the license because Harmony Gold wanted all their licenses back, probably in preparation for the then-upcoming Robotech 3000 TV series and had nothing to do with Harmony Gold's dissatisfaction with their work. However, sources within Harmony Gold claim that Antarctic lost the license because they failed to run things by Harmony Gold for approval; the appearance of designs from the 1984 film Macross The Movie: Do You Remember Love? in such titles as Covert Ops and the regular color Robotech series, for instance, was not approved by Harmony Gold. But even if that's what really happened, we don't know for sure if HG was concerned about legal repercussions, or if they just didn't want to use DYRL designs in Robotech for stylistic reasons (and to keep the continuity hounds off their backs). Why would they go thru all the trouble of pulling someone's license for stylistic reasons? Something like that would only require a slap on the wrist. There was an instance last year when there was a poster made for the new Robotech comic books. The picture showed the Black Skull insigna on a VF-1 Fast Pack. It had Minmei sitting in the cockpit with Rick Hunter. It may even had the Strike Cannon on it (that I'm not sure off...) and there was a big hoopla on the old boards about it. later on the poster was released with a missle pod and the kite insigna in the place of the DYRL objects. So was the decision made because of continuity's sake or licensing mistake? It would seem funny that if it was for continuity's sake, then why would they release it and wait for Macrossworld to spot it for them? Also if they would take away the license from Antartic for the same reasons then why did they let WildStorm keep the contract this time around? Quote
Cyclone Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 Also if they would take away the license from Antartic for the same reasons then why did they let WildStorm keep the contract this time around? HG might have been looking for a reason to justify the pull of licenses back for that animation masterpiece of Robotech 3000. It was probably HG didn't want to ruin a new deal with Tommy's old friends at Wildstorm, that link also making it much easier to bring them back into line than with the old "show HG after the fact" method. Cyc Quote
Eternal_D Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 man, that covert ops crap looks like...uh...what's the word...CRAP! and to me... comic books = american comic books manga = japanese comic books cartoon = american made cartoons(ie Disney, Warner bros) anime = japanese cartoons that should be simple enough, no "grey" area Quote
Apollo Leader Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 Hey Graham! Any news or developments yet on the Yamato/Big West end of things? Nope, hothing. Complete silence so far Graham I got a feeling something is brewing, so let us know what news is passed along. Quote
Apollo Leader Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 man, that covert ops crap looks like...uh...what's the word...CRAP!and to me... comic books = american comic books manga = japanese comic books cartoon = american made cartoons(ie Disney, Warner bros) anime = japanese cartoons that should be simple enough, no "grey" area I thought Greg's "Covert Ops" was a very nice DYRL tribute (his artwork that is). Greg is a big DYRL fan and really wanted to do a true DYRL comic, but of course the licensing issues wouldn't let him. Quote
Skull Leader Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 I also thoroughly enjoyed Greg's work. There were one or two things I didn't agree with, but that's the way it is with ANY unofficial interpretation. I thought the artwork kicked ass. Any time you have Super VF-1Ds it's gonna be cool! Quote
Eternal_D Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 (edited) shite, I thought the link led to official Robotech comics that Yune drew that was gettin released. my bad. anyway, it's not professional work and that's what I thought it was, if I knew it wasn't, I wouldn't have been so harsh...sorry Greg...or whomever did that. Edited February 17, 2004 by Eternal_D Quote
Abombz!! Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 man, that covert ops crap looks like...uh...what's the word...CRAP!and to me... comic books = american comic books manga = japanese comic books cartoon = american made cartoons(ie Disney, Warner bros) anime = japanese cartoons that should be simple enough, no "grey" area Really? What do you call Korean animation? Or french animation? Or..... *shudders* Afeganimation? Quote
the white drew carey Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 shite, I thought the link led to official Robotech comics that Yune drew that was gettin released. my bad. anyway, it's not professional work and that's what I thought it was, if I knew it wasn't, I wouldn't have been so harsh...sorry Greg...or whomever did that. Well, it is professional in the sense that he was paid to do it for an established company under license. Quote
Eternal_D Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 shite, I thought the link led to official Robotech comics that Yune drew that was gettin released. my bad. anyway, it's not professional work and that's what I thought it was, if I knew it wasn't, I wouldn't have been so harsh...sorry Greg...or whomever did that. Well, it is professional in the sense that he was paid to do it for an established company under license. ok, I'm just going to shutup now...before I REALLY piss some ppl off. Quote
the white drew carey Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 ok, I'm just going to shutup now...before I REALLY piss some ppl off. Dude- this is MacrossWorld. Getting pissed off is our bread and butter!!! Quote
Smut Peddler Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 btw anime refers to all things animated, even the simpsons, anime isnt just japanese there. Quote
soze Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 btw anime refers to all things animated, even the simpsons, anime isnt just japanese there. From dictionary.com an·i·me ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-m) n. A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex. I don't think Care Bears or My Little Pony can be classified as anime. Quote
the white drew carey Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 btw anime refers to all things animated, even the simpsons, anime isnt just japanese there. From dictionary.com an·i·me ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-m) n. A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex. I don't think Care Bears or My Little Pony can be classified as anime. Eh... dictionaries have been known to be wrong. IIRC- The word "anime" is what the japanese call all animation, not matter where it's origin. Referring only to Japanese animation as "anime" is actually a Western concept. Quote
wakobi Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Slighty OT (on-topic) (Hey I dare to be different), I know this may be old news and such but apparently the ever-so-widely-loved Tommy Yune is hosting the Robotech panel at AX2004 and apparently has a 'simple and easy explanation about HG being able to release the DYRL toys and the rights they have that pertain to anything Macross' Can't wait for that one Quote
yellowlightman Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Eh... dictionaries have been known to be wrong. IIRC- The word "anime" is what the japanese call all animation, not matter where it's origin. Referring only to Japanese animation as "anime" is actually a Western concept. Yeah, anime just means animation, but in American fandom it's been taken to mean only Japanese animation. I guess 'Japanimation' wasn't cool enough anymore. Same thing with the word otaku. Very different meanings and implications when spoken by an english-speaking fan and a native Japanese. Quote
ewilen Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 Slighty OT (on-topic) (Hey I dare to be different), I know this may be old news and such but apparently the ever-so-widely-loved Tommy Yune is hosting the Robotech panel at AX2004 and apparently has a 'simple and easy explanation about HG being able to release the DYRL toys and the rights they have that pertain to anything Macross'Can't wait for that one It's old news but until now I've only seen it reported on MacrossWorld. Where did you see it? Quote
EXO Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 OK for us Westerners... lets just put it this way... Go into the nearest Best Buy and ask them why you can't find Disney in the "anime" section. Then go to the comic book store and ask why you can't find Spawn in the manga section. Different languages make new different meanings for foreign word. Let's just make it easier on each other stop pretending we don't know what we're talking about. Quote
Skull Leader Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 An interesting thought, but I seriously doubt that HG would let it's seriously mutilated brain-child die so easily. I smell a rat.... Quote
Eternal_D Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 ...why are we bringing up this poo again? cuz poo needs to be made everyday...else you become irregular and can't sit right. Quote
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