Harmony Gold & Toynami releasing DYRL? Toys

[Pat Payne]

I'd say you guys are over reacting a bit. For one, they're not making any mention of DYRL being part of Robotech in the description. HG is definately making an effort to differentiate between Robotech and Macross, and if you think they're going to release DYRL as a Robotech movie juust because they're making DYRL toys (and not claiming them to be anything but Macross toys) they you're just being paranoid.

HG does understand the differences between Macross and Robotech, and they seem to be sure both series can exist seperately. They supported the Animeigo Macross boxed sets and now they're making DYRL toys, neither of which are going to be advertised or branded as Robotech products.

Doubt they would release DYRL as a Robotech movie (letting aside all the companies who want an exclusive piece of the action), for a number of reasons:

1) They already have a "Robotech the Movie" and that barely qualified as a Phyrric victory by staying open a week in Dallas. They need another RT:TMP like a hole in the head.

2) there's no way they could shoehorn it into the Robotech continuity. The story is different enough to where they can't really work in the Robotech Masters (unless they credit them with the building of the underwater city--and that, IMHO would make no bloody sense with regards to the RT continuity) and there's NO room for the Invid.

3) sad as it is to say, HG did realize that Macross is their main property. Mospeada is second, and who's heard of Southern Cross? They also have finally acknowledged that there are fans of the original, non-RT series who want to be able to enjoy the show without all of that Rick Hunter/Lisa Hayes, Invid/Robotech Masters/Protoculture Flowers spucatum taurii. I agree that probably, they're moving to a two franchise under one roof setup, where SDF Macross /DYRL (if they can get it) will be seen as a seperate and equal franchise alongside its Robotech offshoot, but both controlled by the same company. I was thinking of putting in an analogy with William the Conqurer, Normandy and England, but I won't.

Edited February 11, 2004 by Pat Payne

[mikeszekely]

Prehaps they are going to combine the names of both series or somthing in the near future, or maybe they are rubbing out the name robotech and are just going to use the name Macross from now on.? I mean you see the words Macross all over Robotech DVDs, so prehaps change is in the air...

As noble as that might sound.... it would be hard to take 2 stablished franchises and simply fuse them together.

Remember, Abombz, that you're talking about the company that fused Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada and got away with it for this long.

[Ali Sama]

At least HG/Toynami are putting the effort to make little nods and caveates towards the original shows and their fans.  These DYRL superposables.  The special edition SPs in the SDCC.  The Mospeada-style Legioss fighters. 

Personally, I think this is a great thing for Toynami to be doing.

You must think it's also a great thing what Joons and the Chinese bootleggers of the 1/55 Takas did.

v. boot·legged, boot·leg·ging, boot·legs

v. tr.

  1. To make, sell, or transport (alcoholic liquor) for sale illegally.

  2. To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs compact discs and tapes.

v. intr.

  1. To engage in the bootlegging of alcoholic liquor or another product.

  2. To attach a transmitter to a dish antenna, creating an uplink via which a signal is sent to a satellite without the knowledge of the satellite's owner.

  3. Football. To fake a hand-off, conceal the ball on the hip, and roll out in order to pass or especially to rush around the end. Used of a quarterback.

n.

  1. A product, especially alcoholic liquor, that is illicitly produced, distributed, or sold.

  2. The part of a boot above the instep.

  3. Football. A play in which the quarterback bootlegs.

adj.

    Produced, sold, or transported illegally: bootleg gin; bootleg tapes.

wow. that totoaly describe s a company who paid for the rights of a show. yeah it does.

[Duke Togo]

I'd say you guys are over reacting a bit. For one, they're not making any mention of DYRL being part of Robotech in the description. HG is definately making an effort to differentiate between Robotech and Macross, and if you think they're going to release DYRL as a Robotech movie juust because they're making DYRL toys (and not claiming them to be anything but Macross toys) they you're just being paranoid.

HG does understand the differences between Macross and Robotech, and they seem to be sure both series can exist seperately. They supported the Animeigo Macross boxed sets and now they're making DYRL toys, neither of which are going to be advertised or branded as Robotech products.

You don't seem to understand the fact that they don't own the rights to DYRL?.

As to your other comments baout Robotech fans, no, they aren't stupid, they are simply ignorant. Most of us who have been in the community for a long time have dealt with plenty of Robotech fans who INSIST that their version of the story is the correct version. God knows how many fights have been fought because of their insistance that the SDF-2 does indeed appear in the animation.

So I'd say, no, most Robotech fans are ignorant of the true Macross.

[Ali Sama]

Things may have changed, but when I was a regular in the Robotech community (pre-Robotech.com days) every Robotech fan knew the difference between Macross and Robotech. Not only did they know the difference, 95% of them liked both Macross and Robotech.

I'll pause for a second to let you guys pull your jaws off the floor.

I like robotech.....

[Duke Togo]

Prehaps they are going to combine the names of both series or somthing in the near future, or maybe they are rubbing out the name robotech and are just going to use the name Macross from now on.? I mean you see the words Macross all over Robotech DVDs, so prehaps change is in the air...

As noble as that might sound.... it would be hard to take 2 stablished franchises and simply fuse them together.

Remember, Abombz, that you're talking about the company that fused Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada and got away with it for this long.

Considering how little attention Southern Cross gets, and how seperate MOSPEADA and Macross are, I would say you are incorrect. Look at how many continuity questions are constantly brought up by Robotech fans. Harmony Gold did a horrid job.

[Uxi]

If there was a deal, we would have known about it by now.

Not if it's not finalized or is still in the "olive branch" stage of things, if not beyond in the tangled maze of licensing specifics (specifically in the mula and derivatives area).

[Effect]

We don't know if they have the rights to DYRL. They didn't before cause when asked if they were going to released DYRL? the response was that they would need to track down the licenese but no knows who has it. Either they or Animegio said that. Either way HG didn't have it. Now if they have it now don't you think it would have been better of them to release a statement saying they did? Or better yet Big West even saying something since DYRL? would finally be getting a R1 release outside of Japan or better yet DYRL toys would be releases since it would cause for more demand for more Macross points. I doubt they would want to try and bury news if it was on the up and up. Notice on RT.com there isn't even a news article, the links just go to the preorder page. Also no one ever doubted they had rights to SDF Macross, it was always their claim to everything Macross that got people upset. Macross 7 Trash was pulled and all information of it was removed from their site. Now this has appeared. They were confident in the Mac 7 Trash manga but that fell through cause it was presented with this type of reaction. How did HG get their hands on the licenese. The question arises again with this. In the court rulings only the animation SDF Macross was mentioned, several times by name might I add. Not once was anything else talked about and in a legal document of that nature everything would have been spelled out if they were refering sequels which they weren't.

HG has lied in the past and done things that are really questionable, people reacting like this isn't surprising. I really want to know what the hell they are up. If its on the up and up, great. It could be a step in getting better japanese made products, maybe. But there is a better chance this is just a test to see what will happen. I enjoy Robotech as much as the next person but I don't blindly believe or trust HG. Nor do I believe everything they say. A good deal of Robotech fans know the difference between the two series but many don't know at the same time. Also wasn't one of HG's excuses was that buyers would be confused about the difference between the two series, thus part of the reason why they tried to block products. Now they release something that looks just like the item they were trying to block thus voiding that excuse. So buyers before weren't smart enough to know the difference and now they are. Which is HG? What happen with Macross 7 Trash? They haven't answered that question yet either. If a deal was made and it isn't finalized (thus no announcement) then its really poor form for them to be putting this up in their store.

Edited February 11, 2004 by Effect

[mikeszekely]

Prehaps they are going to combine the names of both series or somthing in the near future, or maybe they are rubbing out the name robotech and are just going to use the name Macross from now on.? I mean you see the words Macross all over Robotech DVDs, so prehaps change is in the air...

As noble as that might sound.... it would be hard to take 2 stablished franchises and simply fuse them together.

Remember, Abombz, that you're talking about the company that fused Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada and got away with it for this long.

Considering how little attention Southern Cross gets, and how seperate MOSPEADA and Macross are, I would say you are incorrect. Look at how many continuity questions are constantly brought up by Robotech fans. Harmony Gold did a horrid job.

I never said they did it well or correctly. I'm saying they did it, and got away with it for this long.

[Zentrandude]

could be worst. hg start broadcasting RT in japan and selling rt dvds. or even claim M0 as a RT prequel.

[Uxi]

Or maybe that HG was actually able to track down who had the US rights and buy them out... I don't think that was mentioned but it might have been...

[Duke Togo]

could be worst. hg start broadcasting RT in japan and selling rt dvds. or even claim M0 as a RT prequel.

They can't broadcats Robotech in Japan, we know that for certain. And I have no idea how exactly they would go about getting the footage of Macross Zero. Unless the stole it from official DVD releases.

[Ali Sama]

could be worst. hg start broadcasting RT in japan and selling rt dvds. or even claim M0 as a RT prequel.

They can't broadcats Robotech in Japan, we know that for certain. And I have no idea how exactly they would go about getting the footage of Macross Zero. Unless the stole it from official DVD releases.

If they go the footage it means they paid the owners of the animation etc. you peopel ned to learn international copywrite and other laws.

[Effect]

If that is the case it makes me wonder. Why would the company that originally had it have the rights to make products off it in the first place. Wasn't the reason for the dubbed version of DYRL? suppose to be used to help people learn the english language or something? Why would the rights to make toys, etc be included for something like that. DYRL was releaseed after SDF Macross was made so I doubt Big West made another deal the same way they made the deal with Tatsunko.

[Macross_Fanboy]

Man Duke Togo, there's some dumb ass on Robotech.com that says "gives you more info in the story of robotech. Now has anyone seen Macross: Do You Remember Love? Now that was a good movie. A whole recap of the robotech series in a few hours." Now, that person and many others are all wondering who and (God forbid) what "Hikaru" is.

[Pat Payne]

Wasn't the reason for the dubbed version of DYRL? suppose to be used to help people learn the english language or something?

Not from what I heard, originally. Toho had been awarded rights by BW for distribution both domestically (Japan) and for foreign markets. The dub had been commissioned for that purpose. As hopes of making it commercially viable (outside of COTB and a few other releases in the US) dimmed, Toho released it in Japan as Superspace Fortress Macross. Whether or not it was as an English teaching tool or a novel gimmick to get fans to buy the same movie twice I don't know.

[Ali Sama]

Man Duke Togo, there's some dumb ass on Robotech.com that says "gives you more info in the story of robotech. Now has anyone seen Macross: Do You Remember Love? Now that was a good movie. A whole recap of the robotech series in a few hours." Now, that person and many others are all wondering who and (God forbid) what "Hikaru" is.

He is the japanified name given to old rick. lol

No he is hikaru's long lost twin brother!!!

j.k

want a dumb Sh*t lol.. not you the guy you quoted. lol

[Macross_Fanboy]

Geez, just because a Robotech fan sees the so-called "RDF" insiginia they automatically think it's Robotech. A majority truly are ignorant, the ones that aren't are RPGers because they read into the whole mecha history and whatnot. Some even call them "Veritechs" when they clearly know it's Macross and NOT Robotech.

Edited February 11, 2004 by Macross_Fanboy

[Ali Sama]

Geez, just because a Robotech fan sees the so-called "RDF" insiginia they automatically think it's Robotech. A majority truly are ignorant, the ones that aren't are RPGers because they read into the whole mecha history and whatnot. Some even call them "Veritechs" when they clearly know it's Macross and NOT Robotech.

the vf-1 in robotech si claled a veritch valkyrie.

so what if they call it a veritech. It wont; change what it is.

i jsut look at ti as tomatoe and tomAto.

[Macross_Fanboy]

Well for original SDF Macross maybe. BUT, not Macross Plus, 7 and Zero. No damn way they can just call them "Veritechs".

Even the way they made Robotech was crap. What's up with only producing a limited number of VF-1Ses?! The VF-1s are the same crap except with a different head to seperate the ranks! Rick's VF-1S was the only one left and they used it for research on the oh-so "top secret" VF-4 that's seen on the cover of the latest comic that was released!

Edited February 11, 2004 by Macross_Fanboy

[Ali Sama]

Well for original SDF Macross maybe. BUT, not Macross Plus, 7 and Zero. No damn way they can just call them "Veritechs".

we do it every day.

japan == nihon or nippon

india == HIndustan

turkey == tujkestan or tiurliya

veritch is jsut what they clal it. it has a meaning of a transformign mecha for most americna who grew up wtchign robotech.

i knwo it;s claled a valkyire. so do you. jsu tliek a perosn from india knwoes he is not an india but a hindustani but doesnt; give a sh*t what we call him.

[Anubis]

You know,

I beginning to see hope that (hopefuly not a failed hope) that for the 20th anniversary, BW and HG did manage to come to a final agreement. Especially with the renewed interest in Macross/Robotech stateside, it would make huge financial sense to get a full 20th ann. edition of DYRL onto R1 shelves, and open a flood of new and reissue merchandise. Even if they split the profits, both stand to make a lot of money. Even if HG has to cough up royalties for DYRL marchandise to BW, they are still going to make money. Despit my initial reaction, the fact that RT.com is using all the actual names and such leaves a glimmer of hope. They've NEVER done that before. They even used "Battroid" for crying out loud. There wasn't a RT blurb anywhere in there. HG has already released Macross subtitled and uncut via Animeigo, and seen that RT hasn't suffered. Macross Plus was independently released by Manga and RT didn't suffer. Maybe there is hope for DYRL finally. All of us here stateside would surely get DYRL, finally escaping HK boots, and the RT crowd will flock and buy it as well. Mad sales. DYRL was the last item of contention. HG already has no claim to the other Macross shows, and if they have hammered out a deal with Big West for DYRL, then the need for HG liscense debate threads will be gone.

For now I will try to be optimistic. We'll see at whatever con it was that they were going to announce the DYRL line what the story is. Maybe before.

If my hopes are dashed however, I'll be among the first to grab a pitchfork though.

Once again, this will be a very interesting year.

Edit in: One nod has to be given though at the moment, for the first actual DYRL Kakizaki valk ever released or at least announced.

Edited February 11, 2004 by Anubis

[Mr March]

This is very strange.

THough I can't say I'm stunned at all. The court rulings in Japan clearly did not give total dominion of the original Macross over to Big West. So it goes without saying that there would be some sort of compromise if BW wanted to sell original Macross products internationally. I just never expected DYRL? to be negotiated. I thought the Macross film was pretty much BW's property.

Weirdness...

[Graham]

If an agreement has been reached between HG & BW, then perhaps within a year, we'll see a HG box set of Macross Zero, hopefully uncut and with subs (I loath dubbed anime).

Still, it's all conjecture at this time.

Hey, I wonder if Toynami releasing a Kakizaki DYRL toy will finally be the push that Yamato needs to release a 1/48 DYRL Kakizaki? Now I'd buy that for sure!

Graham

[Mr March]

I sure would like to see more Macross DVDs in region 1 with quality subtitles, but a good dub can't hurt either. I just would not want any Robotech cast involved in any way. Which is asking too much. Open the flood gates to a dub and anything can happen with HG in control.

[Mechafan]

Hey, I wonder if Toynami releasing a Kakizaki DYRL toy will finally be the push that Yamato needs to release a 1/48 DYRL Kakizaki? Now I'd buy that for sure!

Now that would be nice.

[Graham]

I sure would like to see more Macross DVDs in region 1 with quality subtitles, but a good dub can't hurt either. I just would not want any Robotech cast involved in any way. Which is asking too much. Open the flood gates to a dub and anything can happen with HG in control.

I suppose with a HG R1 release the obligatory bad anime dub is inevitable. However, as long as there is an option to switch to the original Japanese dialog with English subs, then I'll be a happy camper.

All I can say is that if HG does release any Macross titles, they better not mess with the music!

Graham

[Uxi]

I woudln't mind hearing the guy who did Roy Fokker do Focker in Zero. But otherwise, no reason to have any other RT voice actors in Zero or DYRL (which can be a "fictional movie-in-a-movie" done in RT's universe).

[Graham]

DYRL (which can be a "fictional movie-in-a-movie" done in RT's universe).

Don't go there, that's treading on dangerous waters!

Graham

[Mechafan]

The Japanese voices on the music was better. HG did cut out some of the songs.

[JB0]

At least HG/Toynami are putting the effort to make little nods and caveates towards the original shows and their fans.  These DYRL superposables.  The special edition SPs in the SDCC.  The Mospeada-style Legioss fighters. 

Personally, I think this is a great thing for Toynami to be doing.

You must think it's also a great thing what Joons and the Chinese bootleggers of the 1/55 Takas did.

v. boot·legged, boot·leg·ging, boot·legs

v. tr.

  1. To make, sell, or transport (alcoholic liquor) for sale illegally.

  2. To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs compact discs and tapes.

v. intr.

  1. To engage in the bootlegging of alcoholic liquor or another product.

  2. To attach a transmitter to a dish antenna, creating an uplink via which a signal is sent to a satellite without the knowledge of the satellite's owner.

  3. Football. To fake a hand-off, conceal the ball on the hip, and roll out in order to pass or especially to rush around the end. Used of a quarterback.

n.

  1. A product, especially alcoholic liquor, that is illicitly produced, distributed, or sold.

  2. The part of a boot above the instep.

  3. Football. A play in which the quarterback bootlegs.

adj.

    Produced, sold, or transported illegally: bootleg gin; bootleg tapes.

wow. that totoaly describe s a company who paid for the rights of a show. yeah it does.

Actually, Toynami has been caught copying japanese products without permission several times recently.

They bought the rights to the show, not rights to 3rd party toys.

Hence, bootleg.

[areaseven]

Has anyone here actually contacted Big West about this?

[Druna Skass]

I woudln't mind hearing the guy who did Roy Fokker do Focker in Zero. But otherwise, no reason to have any other RT voice actors in Zero or DYRL (which can be a "fictional movie-in-a-movie" done in RT's universe).

I wouldn't mind having them bring back the guy who did Gloval to voice the captain again. If he's still alive...

[azrael]

Has anyone here actually contacted Big West about this?

Anybody want to write to BW and ask what's up?

[JB0]

Has anyone here actually contacted Big West about this?

Now why would we do a stupid thing like that?

You want us to go and kill a perfectly good run of wild speculation with FACTS?