DX Chogokin SV-262Hs Bogue Con-Vaart

[nightmareB4macross]

7 hours ago, ArchieNov said:

Okay I did a closer comparison between my Keith and Bogue. 

You can see the ankle section jutting out from under the flaps on the Bogue below.

On the Keith, these are completely hidden under the flaps.

Then checking the manual for Bogue, it shows that they're supposed to be hidden as well.

And these next 2 pictures show how the extended length allows for the heel/ankle cover to shift around loosely.

On the Keith, since the ankle is shorter, there's no room for this part to move around and it sits flush against the round ankle joint.

Maybe they need to be pushed inward?

Just a thought.

[Chronocidal]

As I recall, there are some very finicky tabs between the ankles and arms that need to slot into place perfectly before the feet will entirely collapse.  Make sure your arms are entirely folded up and collapsed, and it might help.

[Graham]

4 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

As I recall, there are some very finicky tabs between the ankles and arms that need to slot into place perfectly before the feet will entirely collapse.  Make sure your arms are entirely folded up and collapsed, and it might help.

I'll fiddle around with mine tonight.

[MKT]

Mine just arrived today, but will only unbox over the weekend. The ankles look to be some concern, hopefully it's not a big issue. 

[ArchieNov]

13 hours ago, Graham said:

I'll fiddle around with mine tonight.

Did you get to check if yours was similar to mine? I'm waiting to hear from others who already have theirs in hand. 

From the other reviews I've seen, their copies appear to be similar to mine.

I wonder if there's a way to retract the ankle. If not, I really wonder why Bandai modified the mold to make the ankle longer. I can't imagine it being an assembly issue.

[Chronocidal]

Can anyone having issues retracting the ankles take pictures of two things:

1. The back of the legs angled outward to see the ankle mechanism

2. The arrangement of the arms with the legs folded fully outward to see whether they're collapsed correctly

The 262 is plastic origami, and there are multiple ways things can get stuck or misaligned, so seeing any potential blockers for the ankles will take examining the entire transformation from all angles.

[Graham]

9 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

Can anyone having issues retracting the ankles take pictures of two things:

1. The back of the legs angled outward to see the ankle mechanism

2. The arrangement of the arms with the legs folded fully outward to see whether they're collapsed correctly

The 262 is plastic origami, and there are multiple ways things can get stuck or misaligned, so seeing any potential blockers for the ankles will take examining the entire transformation from all angles.

Here's some pics I just took. 

I haven't fully transformed the toy from fighter mode yet. So this is how the arms were out of the box.

 

[ArchieNov]

10 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

Can anyone having issues retracting the ankles take pictures of two things:

1. The back of the legs angled outward to see the ankle mechanism

2. The arrangement of the arms with the legs folded fully outward to see whether they're collapsed correctly

The 262 is plastic origami, and there are multiple ways things can get stuck or misaligned, so seeing any potential blockers for the ankles will take examining the entire transformation from all angles.

The ankles are not retractable, or at least they weren't on the Keith and it's not mentioned anywhere in the instructions for Bogue. I've tried applying force but I don't feel like it's gonna budge.

The ankles also have nothing to do with the placement of the arms. The only connection point they have is with the calf itself, and any other parts around don't affect it.

@Graham - thanks for sharing your pics. so yours has the same look as mine. You mentioned before that your heel covers don't slide around. But I can somewhat see them at higher and lower positions on your pics, so maybe they do on yours as well?

[Graham]

52 minutes ago, ArchieNov said:

The ankles are not retractable, or at least they weren't on the Keith and it's not mentioned anywhere in the instructions for Bogue. I've tried applying force but I don't feel like it's gonna budge.

The ankles also have nothing to do with the placement of the arms. The only connection point they have is with the calf itself, and any other parts around don't affect it.

@Graham - thanks for sharing your pics. so yours has the same look as mine. You mentioned before that your heel covers don't slide around. But I can somewhat see them at higher and lower positions on your pics, so maybe they do on yours as well?

The ankle covers do slide up and down, but they don't rattle when I handle the toy in fighter mode.

Yeah, I agree that the ankles are definitely not retractable.

[Chronocidal]

3 hours ago, ArchieNov said:

The ankles are not retractable, or at least they weren't on the Keith and it's not mentioned anywhere in the instructions for Bogue. I've tried applying force but I don't feel like it's gonna budge.

The ankles also have nothing to do with the placement of the arms. The only connection point they have is with the calf itself, and any other parts around don't affect it.

I might be thinking of the model kits being finicky for the arm placement, but the ankles on Keith's absolutely have an extension.  It isn't much, just a few mm, but it definitely looks like the same amount Bogue's seem to stick out by.

Makes me wonder if someone who wasn't familiar with the product just slopped glue in what was supposed to be an extension joint.  It's really not very substantial, but it does help the ankles clear the flaps on either side.

Edit: Little easier to see from the front of the ankle, with the cuff held against the upper part of the leg.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:32 AM by Chronocidal

[Graham]

Yeah, I checked my Keith which is currently in fighter mode and it has the working extension mechanism for the ankles.

So I can extend and collapse the ankles on the Keith SV-262Hs and there's a positive click when doing so.

On the Bogue, it seems the ankles are definitely stuck in the extended position with no way to collapse them to get rid of the gap in fighter mode.

 

[ArchieNov]

8 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

I might be thinking of the model kits being finicky for the arm placement, but the ankles on Keith's absolutely have an extension.  It isn't much, just a few mm, but it definitely looks like the same amount Bogue's seem to stick out by.

Makes me wonder if someone who wasn't familiar with the product just slopped glue in what was supposed to be an extension joint.  It's really not very substantial, but it does help the ankles clear the flaps on either side.

Edit: Little easier to see from the front of the ankle, with the cuff held against the upper part of the leg.

 

Wow well color me surprised. I tried this on my Keith just now and yeah the ankles do extend. I don't think I ever tried that before since it was never mentioned in the manual or any reviews.

Then maybe there is hope to collapse the ankles on the Bogue, unless it was glued in place... Anyone willing to try on their copy? 

[Mommar]

The 262 is so over-engineered even the people assembling it can't get it right.

[davidwhangchoi]

10 hours ago, Graham said:

Yeah, I checked my Keith which is currently in fighter mode and it has the working extension mechanism for the ankles.

So I can extend and collapse the ankles on the Keith SV-262Hs and there's a positive click when doing so.

On the Bogue, it seems the ankles are definitely stuck in the extended position with no way to collapse them to get rid of the gap in fighter mode.

If these are accidently glued on, I hope Bandai will fix these 

[jenius]

Much easier to claim it's a feature, especially if all the toys are impacted.

[MKT]

Ah so the ankles do extend. Just like others above, Keith's extend easily.

I just unboxed to do a quick check on Bogue's. Both ankles came in extended position. I collapsed one side, although quite a fair bit stiffer than Keith's, whilst the other refused to budge.
 

 

I may muster up more courage to use more force at a later time. 

Meanwhile, I do like the shade of red used. In many of the pics before this, it always looked a bit too red, but in hand it's just the right saturation to me with the gold still standing out on its own. 

It's also great there are no reports of peeling gold paint tampo on the wings like Keith's did. 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by MKT

[Mommar]

It took me a lot of effort but I managed to get both feet to collapse.

[nightmareB4macross]

I don’t know why, but this toothy grinned fighter-esque mode should be a thing. 😆

[nightmareB4macross]

Whomever finished this figure did not collapse  the ankles.

Just spread the legs apart and work each ankle/foot into place. The parts are really tight out of the box. But in the end it fits nice and flush.

[nightmareB4macross]

I fear this gun won’t make it beyond ten years before it starts to fall apart in similarity to plastics used with gold accessory GI Joes.

Sure hope to be wrong about this.

Would rather have had it in grey plastic with gold paint. Sure the paint will wear but it might be more resilient over time.

[ArchieNov]

Thank you to all the brave souls who were able to push the ankles in. You have given me confirmation that it can move, and the confidence to try it again myself. Hopefully I don't break it in the process.

Edit: I tried pushing them in again and they really don't feel like they wanna budge. How much force did you apply? I can hear the plastic of the ankles creaking already and my hands are shaking from the amount of force I'm putting in, so I am hesitant to apply even more than that for fear of breaking it.

Edited 8 hours ago by ArchieNov

[nightmareB4macross]

2 hours ago, ArchieNov said:

Thank you to all the brave souls who were able to push the ankles in. You have given me confirmation that it can move, and the confidence to try it again myself. Hopefully I don't break it in the process.

Edit: I tried pushing them in again and they really don't feel like they wanna budge. How much force did you apply? I can hear the plastic of the ankles creaking already and my hands are shaking from the amount of force I'm putting in, so I am hesitant to apply even more than that for fear of breaking it.

Before you begin.

Make sure the blue leg locks located above the heels are positioned as if the legs were to lock the legs together in fighter mode. If these parts are tucked away the recessing function will not allow the ankle to collapse.

Pull the out the feet as far as the can go. Pivot the toe front to back and then push the heels in. It might take a couple of attempts as the parts are very tight. It works. Trust the process.

[ArchieNov]

1 hour ago, nightmareB4macross said:

Before you begin.

Make sure the blue leg locks located above the heels are positioned as if the legs were to lock the legs together in fighter mode. If these parts are tucked away the recessing function will not allow the ankle to collapse.

Pull the out the feet as far as the can go. Pivot the toe front to back and then push the heels in. It might take a couple of attempts as the parts are very tight. It works. Trust the process.

Blue leg locks? You mean those blue ankle covers? Mine slide around freely so they don't seem to act any any kind of lock.

Or are you talking about those flip out tabs at the back of the legs that connect the 2 feet together?

[Graham]

4 hours ago, ArchieNov said:

Thank you to all the brave souls who were able to push the ankles in. You have given me confirmation that it can move, and the confidence to try it again myself. Hopefully I don't break it in the process.

Edit: I tried pushing them in again and they really don't feel like they wanna budge. How much force did you apply? I can hear the plastic of the ankles creaking already and my hands are shaking from the amount of force I'm putting in, so I am hesitant to apply even more than that for fear of breaking it.

Same with mine.

[MKT]

I think the blue leg locks above the ankles doesn't affect the collapsing / extending function.

I made more attempts to push the obstinate ankle in, but in the end I had to partially transform it before it worked.
Un-tab the wing, spread the offending leg out, fold the feet to battroid position, then unfurl the heel & booster nozzle. This creates a space in the feet where your whole thumb can rest within. With a VERY firm push, the ankle collapsed.

 

I pulled the ankle out and collapsed it a couple more times but it didn't seem to get any easier. This is certainly much more involving & frustrating than needs to be, and it's lucky I don't transform my toys much beyond what is needed for long term display. 

 

[ArchieNov]

@MKT I tried doing that earlier and just tried again now. It really won't move. How much force did you have to exert? Like enough to make your hands shake? I don't want to go past the breaking point of the joint. Worst case scenario, I'll probably have to live with the extended ankles.

Edit: I tried one last time. And they finally collapsed. Thank goodness!

Edited 3 hours ago by ArchieNov

[MKT]

10 minutes ago, ArchieNov said:

@MKT I tried doing that earlier and just tried again now. It really won't move. How much force did you have to exert? Like enough to make your hands shake? I don't want to go past the breaking point of the joint. Worst case scenario, I'll probably have to live with the extended ankles.

Edit: I tried one last time. And they finally collapsed. Thank goodness!

Great to hear it worked. 

[Graham]

My turn to try again tonight.

Will report back later. 😅

[Graham]

9 hours ago, nightmareB4macross said:

I fear this gun won’t make it beyond ten years before it starts to fall apart in similarity to plastics used with gold accessory GI Joes.

Sure hope to be wrong about this.

Would rather have had it in grey plastic with gold paint. Sure the paint will wear but it might be more resilient over time.

The Sv-262Hs Keith was released in March 2017 and the yellow plastic on the gun on mine is still fine.

It's still a few years away from 10 years old, but cross fingers, touch wood etc. 😅