Bolt Posted December 7, 2024 Posted December 7, 2024 3 hours ago, sh9000 said: Box art. It's a great piece of art. But I don't really love the sad Claudia, dying Roy part. They're both more than that. Especially Fokker . Quote
Shawn Posted December 7, 2024 Posted December 7, 2024 Latest news https://macross.jp/contents/843354 The region blocked video is just the trailer from a few months ago Quote
seti88 Posted December 7, 2024 Posted December 7, 2024 Can't wait for this to be out...bought a 4K panasonic player just for this physical media release... Do i get some brownie points huh BW? C'mon.... Quote
Powered Convoy Posted December 17, 2024 Posted December 17, 2024 Yeah, I've been very excited about this release for months now. Got my fiance to watch the original TV series and now we're waiting for the film. Granted she didn't like the extra episodes after the original ending (too much drama :D). Quote
Powered Convoy Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 I'm also glad that 'Angel Paint' is on this and remastered. The Flashback 2012 DVD and Blu-ray are rough. Quote
Shawn Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 I am impatiently waiting for any sort of new trailer or new info on the release. For being the ultimate scan/restoration I thought they be hyping it up a bit more releasing more screenshots or something by now. In the back of mind I am dreading an AI restoration and all grain removal. I'm sure it's not that but give me something new to make my $150 purchase more comfortable to swallow. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 On 12/6/2024 at 2:22 PM, sh9000 said: Box art. Nice...looks like Mikimoto is still on his MtF-style phase Quote
Duke Togo Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 12 hours ago, Shawn said: In the back of mind I am dreading an AI restoration and all grain removal. I'm sure it's not that but give me something new to make my $150 purchase more comfortable to swallow. As a 4K blu collector who has done this dance before, this really worries me. Quote
RDX17 Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 3 hours ago, jvmacross said: Nice...looks like Mikimoto is still on his MtF-style phase Not that there's much space left to add anything else, but I think it's a bit odd that the SDF-1 isn't part of the artwork. Granted, it's not really as much of a character in DYRL as it was in the series. Still looks nice though. Quote
jvmacross Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 31 minutes ago, RDX17 said: Not that there's much space left to add anything else, but I think it's a bit odd that the SDF-1 isn't part of the artwork. Granted, it's not really as much of a character in DYRL as it was in the series. Still looks nice though. It would have been nice...but he's more of the Macross Character designer....at least he included what is arguably the most iconic hero mech in the film... Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, Duke Togo said: As a 4K blu collector who has done this dance before, this really worries me. honestly i think it's just going to be an AI upscale. some scene will look sharper with probably some of those AI flaws like those ghost faces in the background. Edited December 21, 2024 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Shawn Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 I can see how someone getting sold on a restoration service for multiple TV series, and missing something like that as annoying it can be, just because of the sheer volume of content to audit. Those Lucy background faces are horrific, but in the comments they say a replacement disc is an option, so I'm thankful they owned up to it. DYRL is just 90m, someone better be monitoring that thing closely so they do not release anything close to that mess. I personally do not want to see an AI upscale cleanup of the movie, I want to see what Miyatake and Kawamori and Itano and the rest actually drew, with the best available scanning technology. If some scenes are blurry they are blurry, thats life, I'm not sure I want to see an AI guess at what is there and try to redraw it. Just one month to go, give us some more teaser pics already. Quote
sketchley Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: honestly i think it's just going to be an AI upscale. some scene will look sharper with probably some of those AI flaws like those ghost faces in the background. Yikes! 40 minutes ago, Shawn said: I personally do not want to see an AI upscale cleanup of the movie, I want to see what Miyatake and Kawamori and Itano and the rest actually drew, with the best available scanning technology. If some scenes are blurry they are blurry, thats life, I'm not sure I want to see an AI guess at what is there and try to redraw it. I fully agree! Some things are also meant to be blurry out of artistic choice. The Lucy clip is a good example—clearly depicting those background characters totally changes the focus of the shot from Ricardo onto them (nevermind how poorly it was done)! Fixing animation errors (E.g. adding missing missiles, colour correcting Focker's VF-1S) is one thing, but changing the artist's focus by de-blurring? That's a bridge too far! Edited December 21, 2024 by sketchley Quote
seti88 Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 2 hours ago, sketchley said: Yikes! I fully agree! Some things are also meant to be blurry out of artistic choice. The Lucy clip is a good example—clearly depicting those background characters totally changes the focus of the shot from Ricardo onto them (nevermind how poorly it was done)! Fixing animation errors (E.g. adding missing missiles, colour correcting Focker's VF-1S) is one thing, but changing the artist's focus by de-blurring? That's a bridge too far! 2 hours ago, Shawn said: I can see how someone getting sold on a restoration service for multiple TV series, and missing something like that as annoying it can be, just because of the sheer volume of content to audit. Those Lucy background faces are horrific, but in the comments they say a replacement disc is an option, so I'm thankful they owned up to it. DYRL is just 90m, someone better be monitoring that thing closely so they do not release anything close to that mess. I personally do not want to see an AI upscale cleanup of the movie, I want to see what Miyatake and Kawamori and Itano and the rest actually drew, with the best available scanning technology. If some scenes are blurry they are blurry, thats life, I'm not sure I want to see an AI guess at what is there and try to redraw it. Just one month to go, give us some more teaser pics already. 👆 totally concur!! probably someone in management/marketing asking is it sharp? is it sharp? Quote
lavinrac Posted December 25, 2024 Posted December 25, 2024 Really looking forward to getting this, I've bought many of the Japanese releases thus far since Laserdisc. With as many copies as I have, I'm actually hoping they do something (tasteful) about the blurry scenes.. I'm not talking about removing intentional blur.. but the blu ray versions have a number of scenes that are quite blurry- GHOSTING - like double image in some places, as any of you who own it know. Has anyone researched what caused that to happen? Is it something they could fix by rescanning from film if it exists? Is there a way to remove the effect digitally without AI 'weirdness' ? I'm all for film grain and preserving the artists vision, but as a visual artist myself, I can't imagine anyone intended for the GHOSTING effect. Not sure if the technology to remove that is out there but I'd love to see it happen. I also like the idea, with all these new and 'controversial' technologies' of having a set include 2 versions.. uncleaned, and 'remastered' .. For example I have the Star Trek original series blu ray, and they redid all the special effects, but there's both versions on the disc, and you can swap between them. this is really amazing because in most cases it enhances something, in a few it detracts.. but having the original there as well makes the experiment worthwhile and inoffensive. If Lucas had given us the original versions of Star Wars along with his 'specialized' versions it would've been a lot easier to swallow. This is all probably way more than they plan to put into this, but its a shame, for such a monumental achievement, an example of the best ever of hand drawn anime. Quote
ScrambledValkyrie Posted December 27, 2024 Posted December 27, 2024 On 12/25/2024 at 1:26 PM, lavinrac said: Really looking forward to getting this, I've bought many of the Japanese releases thus far since Laserdisc. With as many copies as I have, I'm actually hoping they do something (tasteful) about the blurry scenes.. I'm not talking about removing intentional blur.. but the blu ray versions have a number of scenes that are quite blurry- GHOSTING - like double image in some places, as any of you who own it know. Has anyone researched what caused that to happen? Is it something they could fix by rescanning from film if it exists? There were some shots that appear to have been photographed out of focus, which became more obvious with the jump from DVD to Blu-ray. Is this what you're referring to? No amount of film rescanning will help those, though there could be some AI tricks which could improve them. Quote
Powered Convoy Posted January 1 Posted January 1 That's a great cover. Just a few weeks now. It interests me that the bridge crew girls are in their civies. Quote
lavinrac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 12/26/2024 at 11:54 PM, ScrambledValkyrie said: There were some shots that appear to have been photographed out of focus, which became more obvious with the jump from DVD to Blu-ray. Is this what you're referring to? No amount of film rescanning will help those, though there could be some AI tricks which could improve them. Those are exactly what i was referring to, yes. Again i wouldn’t want AI except as an alternate track. I own so many different releases of this i would not mind some experimenting. Plus blurry 4k seems .. meh.. either way.. its mine! Quote
Starwind Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Hi, long time lurker. Seems the disc art has the FORS logo. The same FORS AI they used for the recent Macross Zero release. I understand the use for that case, but it feels cheap for this release. Still keeping my preorder. lets hope for a proper Macross II (kickstarter) style remaster in the future. Quote
JB0 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, Starwind said: Hi, long time lurker. Seems the disc art has the FORS logo. The same FORS AI they used for the recent Macross Zero release. I understand the use for that case, but it feels cheap for this release. Still keeping my preorder. lets hope for a proper Macross II (kickstarter) style remaster in the future. Disappointing, but what I expected from the preview images. Quote
Shawn Posted January 10 Posted January 10 MAYBE they are only applying the FORS processing to the DYRL 2016 Concert End(Flashback) sequence which is SD only, I thought they said it was upscaled, or did I imagine that. Or maybe they are using it to add in the Game Opening too-it was SD only. https://www.fors-qtec.jp/picture/ There is also FORS sound, so maybe for the 5.1 mix or something. https://www.fors-qtec.jp/special/page/2/ I just want the theatrical mono please with a fresh scan. I'm not yet ready to accept they AI butchered my movie, or if they did keep it on the 2016 special version. Think happy thoughts!!! Quote
MaxFan2112 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 This is what happens when you're away for awhile!😐 The box art looks like they really took their time and care imho. I may have to go grubbing on the secondary market. I may have worn out the old copy I picked up at a Wizard Con years ago (best we could do in the olde days!) Quote
Powered Convoy Posted January 13 Posted January 13 The movie has aired in theaters in Japan, no? Has there been any feedback? Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 13 Posted January 13 On 1/10/2025 at 4:27 PM, Shawn said: MAYBE they are only applying the FORS processing to the DYRL 2016 Concert End(Flashback) sequence which is SD only, I thought they said it was upscaled, or did I imagine that. I certainly hope so. I just watched Flashback on Disney+ and oof, it looks terrible. Quote
Big s Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Duke Togo said: I certainly hope so. I just watched Flashback on Disney+ and oof, it looks terrible. Yeah, it looks like it wasn’t a hd version and just straight off of vhs. The other stuff I checked out looked much better though, I only watched enough to see which things were having subtitle issues Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 14 Posted January 14 19 minutes ago, Big s said: Yeah, it looks like it wasn’t a hd version and just straight off of vhs. The other stuff I checked out looked much better though, I only watched enough to see which things were having subtitle issues I don't think there is any other version of it. I vaguely recall something about the original elements being lost. Quote
Big s Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Duke Togo said: I don't think there is any other version of it. I vaguely recall something about the original elements being lost. That could definitely explain how it looks. I’m still glad that even this version exists though Quote
Powered Convoy Posted Wednesday at 06:49 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:49 PM The Flashback DVD and Blu-ray look bad. So yeah, hoping Angel Paints looks good on this 4K release. Quote
Heron Posted Wednesday at 10:12 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:12 PM Aww, I was hoping the 4K wasn't AI restored. Le sigh. Ah, well, I'll keep my preorder. Quote
lavinrac Posted Thursday at 03:54 PM Posted Thursday at 03:54 PM Just rewatched Flashback on Hulu. I remember it looking bad on my official Blu Ray from Japan that came with DYRL, but Hulu 'seems' to look even worse. I'm gonna have to pop that disc in and see if my memory improved the blu ray or if they are the same. Quote
locidm Posted Thursday at 03:59 PM Posted Thursday at 03:59 PM Side question, is there any trick to get the flashback bluray that came with the Japanese DYRL to play in US bluray players? Mine would not play. The DRYL disc was fine though. Quote
Powered Convoy Posted Thursday at 06:55 PM Posted Thursday at 06:55 PM Some new comparisons. https://youtu.be/naD2_mE6ZT8?si=V9MlCQoQUAbIh03V Quote
Powered Convoy Posted Thursday at 06:58 PM Posted Thursday at 06:58 PM You need a Japanese VPN for the video above. Quote
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