Steady Posted February 11 Posted February 11 It wasn't. I could be wrong--I'm sure someone will correct me if I am--but the story I read was that they planned on ending the movie with the concert, but didn't have time to produce the sequence. They barely had enough time to finish the movie. So years later, they used the concert footage from Flashback and edited it into the end of the film and released it on home video as the Perfect Edition. Those releases also contained the movie trailers. I'm kind of surprised the 4K disc doesn't have the trailers. Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 11 Posted February 11 3 hours ago, Steady said: It wasn't. I could be wrong--I'm sure someone will correct me if I am--but the story I read was that they planned on ending the movie with the concert, but didn't have time to produce the sequence. They barely had enough time to finish the movie. So years later, they used the concert footage from Flashback and edited it into the end of the film and released it on home video as the Perfect Edition. Those releases also contained the movie trailers. I'm kind of surprised the 4K disc doesn't have the trailers. That's my understanding as well. Quote
rsvictor1976 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 9 hours ago, Steady said: It wasn't. I could be wrong--I'm sure someone will correct me if I am--but the story I read was that they planned on ending the movie with the concert, but didn't have time to produce the sequence. They barely had enough time to finish the movie. So years later, they used the concert footage from Flashback and edited it into the end of the film and released it on home video as the Perfect Edition. Those releases also contained the movie trailers. I'm kind of surprised the 4K disc doesn't have the trailers. As much as I like this 4K remaster release, I feel like it should of had more bonus feature content like an interview or trailers at least. Quote
Shawn Posted February 11 Posted February 11 The ending concert footage was only storyboarded (in the 1984 Movie Storyboard book, and the 2007 DVD bonus book), and some concept art from Mikimoto showing Minmei's dress was done in 84, but the animation was not started for the original movie release, thus it would never have been possible to see it in the theaters. 100% rumor. Earlier in this thread it was shown in a letter that the animation was still being completed in early July, so it seemed they worked up until the release, like the '1979 Start Trek the Motion Picture' type situation where the newly processed 35mm prints were basically "still drying out (a little exaggeration)" If you look through the 1984 storyboard pics, it was exclusively concert based with Minmei, there was no Megaroad or VF-4 footage, this was all expanded upon in 1987 for the Flashback OVA. https://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/dyrl_storyboard.htm Quote
Shawn Posted February 11 Posted February 11 btw-the new Rakuten poster only high sale price is now $69, that is basically the sales price for the set (9900 yen I think) https://jp.mercari.com/item/m59002684316 Quote
oshanmacross Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I knew it! Thanks all for confirming my suspicions Quote
Steady Posted February 11 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Shawn said: The ending concert footage was only storyboarded (in the 1984 Movie Storyboard book, and the 2007 DVD bonus book), and some concept art from Mikimoto showing Minmei's dress was done in 84, but the animation was not started for the original movie release, thus it would never have been possible to see it in the theaters. 100% rumor. Earlier in this thread it was shown in a letter that the animation was still being completed in early July, so it seemed they worked up until the release, like the '1979 Start Trek the Motion Picture' type situation where the newly processed 35mm prints were basically "still drying out (a little exaggeration)" If you look through the 1984 storyboard pics, it was exclusively concert based with Minmei, there was no Megaroad or VF-4 footage, this was all expanded upon in 1987 for the Flashback OVA. https://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/dyrl_storyboard.htm That looks like an awesome book. Does that book contain the storyboards for the entire film? Quote
oshanmacross Posted February 11 Posted February 11 22 minutes ago, Steady said: That looks like an awesome book. Does that book contain the storyboards for the entire film? Been looking for that green book and this yellow book for years, I get close but they always alude me on yahoo japan. There is one up right now if anyone wants to go for the buy it now price: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h1168111268 Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 11 Posted February 11 (edited) Finally got mine from A-On Store today. Looking forward to watching it tonight. No posters with this version but it does have the script and nice acrylic stand. Also, I know there was discussion of seeing some cels from the film and how they compare to the 4K. Here are scans of my two DYRL cels (one I just got in today). Edited February 11 by Powered Convoy Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Okay, yeah, this thing is exceptionally gorgeous. Especially the beginning. It's mind-blowing how bright the colors are and all the lights and stars you see. Plenty of blurry scenes but looks exceptional throughout 98% of the film. Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Minmay's hair is way more greenish blue in my cel than in the film. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 12 Posted February 12 13 hours ago, Shawn said: btw-the new Rakuten poster only high sale price is now $69, that is basically the sales price for the set (9900 yen I think) https://jp.mercari.com/item/m59002684316 I really wish the pre-order bonus weren't so hard to choose from. It's hard to triple dip. But yeah this poster seems like it's going to be a collector's item. 9 hours ago, Powered Convoy said: Finally got mine from A-On Store today. Looking forward to watching it tonight. No posters with this version but it does have the script and nice acrylic stand. Also, I know there was discussion of seeing some cels from the film and how they compare to the 4K. Here are scans of my two DYRL cels (one I just got in today). Nice, my copy finally shipped today and will arrive on Thursday. Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I watched it with my SO last night. Despite being together for 16 years I had her watch the series last Fall and the movie last night. She much prefers the film. She was very anti Minmay in the TV series but pro Minmay in the film, sympathizing with her and turning against Misa, who was her girl in the TV series. Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 11 hours ago, Powered Convoy said: Minmay's hair is way more greenish blue in my cel than in the film. This is my biggest complaint with the 4K release: the color change. This movie has looked one way since the day each cel was put on film 40 years ago. I do not like that they've changed that. At all. Edited February 12 by Duke Togo Quote
seti88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 On 2/9/2025 at 6:37 PM, davidwhangchoi said: wow, $50 is up there. @seti88 seems like you're the only one with the Rakuten poster. if you ever frame it, post some pics. I'm still waiting for CDjapan proxy to ship my copy. (i ordered late though so i expect perhaps sometime this or next week) been looking on Mercari prices are slowly creeping up on the first press limited. i see the summer 84 badge going for 46-50 by itself. @davidwhangchoi right on, will post pics! Been very busy w stuff and my poster is still held by its packaging from japan. Framing would be to store it proper.. Don’t tell me you be collecting multiples of these release items too🤪 congrats to all on the first press limited…I just couldn’t pull the trigger on it since I don’t thk I would enjoy the Japanese script item proper.. Quote
seti88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/9/2025 at 8:00 AM, UN Spacy said: Been a loooong time since I logged back in here (holy crap it’s been exactly THREE years…I kid you not). My copy arrived from Amazon Japan but now I’ll need a B3 frame which I’m not paying Amazon $40 to ship here. So is this a you were out but they pulled you back in moment?🙃 welcome back btw! Edited February 12 by seti88 Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 12 Posted February 12 DHL arrived a day earlier going watch it later tonight. Quote
treatment Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/11/2025 at 3:02 PM, Powered Convoy said: Finally got mine from A-On Store today. Looking forward to watching it tonight. No posters with this version but it does have the script and nice acrylic stand. Also, I know there was discussion of seeing some cels from the film and how they compare to the 4K. Here are scans of my two DYRL cels (one I just got in today). On 2/11/2025 at 8:28 PM, Powered Convoy said: Minmay's hair is way more greenish blue in my cel than in the film. I've never seen Minmay's hair as other than blue. Definitely never greenish-blue like that cel. 16 hours ago, Duke Togo said: This is my biggest complaint with the 4K release: the color change. This movie has looked one way since the day each cel was put on film 40 years ago. I do not like that they've changed that. At all. How do you mean? 4K (hevc codec): 2012-BD Hybrid: 2016-BD (original): R2-DVD original non-HD: R2-DVD HD: I have 4k-snapshot from Smplayer using the MPV-codec instead showing Minmay's hair as blue as well, but it's a 33.5mb png and may cause display-slowdown of this thread... Edited February 13 by treatment Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) ok, so i gave the 4k a watch 2x times on a lg c1 OLED via PS5 with HDR my opinion: 2016 DTS Master Audio from the blurry is superior in audio fidelity. Some of the OST is amazing to listen to. However, I detest the additional modern sound effects introduced 2016 (and 2012) remastered audio, they do not fit and can be jarring. Has audio gaps (micro pauses) in two places. (4K, 2016 DTS Master Audio, also 2012 bluray edition). bookmarks 1:42:40 (4K, 2016 DTS Master Audio) 1:43:20 They're unnatural and poorly edited. It's been there since 2012 and then the 2016 edition. It hasn't changed and this is lifted from the 2016 blur ray. I'm really glad they have the 1984 original version with the PCM audio track. the 1984 PCM track audio distorts at peaks and read that it was identical and lifted from a previous release that had distortions. They could taken the time to do a proper restored pcm track or lift it from a different release with the non distorted audio track but I'm very happy it's here as an option. The good is the final battle scene doesn't have audio gaps (micro pauses with a change in volume in the song that are jarring). I found the 1984 version to be superior (edit: i liked the mono) and enjoyed it though it does not have the ending bonus concert footage. The picture is what i expected. I'm glad for an official release in 4k with English subs. I waited since 1986 that I'm happy we have it. Literally been hoping for this for the longest time and it's a miracle that it exists. No more Clash of the Bionoids or the fan subs. I'll probably watch it about 5-10 more times before commenting on the picture if I have any. Edited February 13 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, treatment said: How do you mean? I think the change between the new release and past releases is pretty obvious in the pictures you posted. And it's not the HDR. That said, I really need to stop beating a dead horse here. There disc is out (and yes, I own it), and what we got is not going to magically change. Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: I'm really glad they have the 1984 original version with the PCM audio track. Do your observations about the PCM apply to both the mono and 3.1 tracks? Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 hours ago, treatment said: I've never seen Minmay's hair as other than blue. Definitely never greenish-blue like that cel. How do you mean? 4K (hevc codec): 2012-BD Hybrid: 2016-BD (original): R2-DVD original non-HD: R2-DVD HD: I have 4k-snapshot from Smplayer using the MPV-codec instead showing Minmay's hair as blue as well, but it's a 33.5mb png and may cause display-slowdown of this thread... It's nice to see these comparisons. I'm also pleased that so much more of Minmay was illustrated here despite it not being used. Is it possible the cel's color has faded over time? I've only been in possession of this cel since Tuesday, so... Quote
treatment Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Powered Convoy said: It's nice to see these comparisons. I'm also pleased that so much more of Minmay was illustrated here despite it not being used. Is it possible the cel's color has faded over time? I've only been in possession of this cel since Tuesday, so... I don't collect cels, but others here sure do in the https://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/topic/15803-macrossanimation-cel-collection-thread/?do=getLastComment Maybe somebody there can chime in on the coloring. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Duke Togo said: Do your observations about the PCM apply to both the mono and 3.1 tracks? The two Linear PCM options on the 4k ultra blu ray disc do not have audio gaps on Ai Oboete Imasu Ka Quote
Steady Posted February 13 Posted February 13 The thing about comparing the animation cels to the finished movie is that when you look at a cel, you are looking at it in a completely different lighting environment. You're looking at the cel at your house, maybe framed on the wall, or in a dimly lit bedroom, or a brightly lit living room. Maybe you have warm lights in your house, so it makes things slightly more yellow. The colors could look one way, then you could view the cel in a different room and the colors could look completely different. To really compare the colors accurately, you would need to replicate exactly the lighting environment that was used when they photographed the cels back in 1983 when they were making the movie. And of course, that would be impossible to do. Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 hours ago, Steady said: The thing about comparing the animation cels to the finished movie is that when you look at a cel, you are looking at it in a completely different lighting environment. You're looking at the cel at your house, maybe framed on the wall, or in a dimly lit bedroom, or a brightly lit living room. Maybe you have warm lights in your house, so it makes things slightly more yellow. The colors could look one way, then you could view the cel in a different room and the colors could look completely different. To really compare the colors accurately, you would need to replicate exactly the lighting environment that was used when they photographed the cels back in 1983 when they were making the movie. And of course, that would be impossible to do. For sure, and there have certainly been changes to the color grading over the years. My main point has been that the 4K release is so wildly different than anything that came before. Back to the audio, I'm going to give the 3.1 PCM mix a listen soon. See if I can pick up on the reported distortions in the audio. Quote
Powered Convoy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) Looking at some other cels from the film, the concert definitely gave her more of a greenish blue hair, like my cel, than in later scenes. I personally like the very blue hair in the 4K. Edited February 14 by Powered Convoy Quote
treatment Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Here's the 4k-snapshot under smplayer using the mpv-engine (downscaled to 50%): Not quite as HDR-aggressive as the native Windows Media Player's snapshot (4k-HEVC) I posted last night. Still quite distinctly vivid, tho. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 23 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: the 1984 PCM track audio distorts at peaks 7 hours ago, Duke Togo said: Back to the audio, I'm going to give the 3.1 PCM mix a listen soon. See if I can pick up on the reported distortions in the audio. For anyone with the 4k remaster and wants to follow along and hear where the audio distorts at peaks: Select 1984 theatrical release linear PCM (2 channel mono track) Pull up the chapter menu during playback fonts are in Japanese, (it's the first menu from the left) and select: Chapter 3: The opening scene where the title logo is introduced. Listen to the OST brass horn section as soon as the title appears, You'll hear the distortions at the peaks. The levels were set too high on the PCM track. Head back to the main menu and select the 2016 DTS -HD Master Audio, select Chapter 3 and listen to the same OST at the title (the brass horn section). the remastered has an amazing ceiling, no cracks on the peaks. sounds just beautiful. @Duke Togo the 2016 dolby surround 2 ch Linear PCM track, is a different distortion issue that i did not pick it up on myself but read it on blu-ray.com from NLScavenger's (the guy everyone is using his link of the comparison pics of all DYRL versions) https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=22846018&postcount=1588 Quote the UHD 2.0 Dolby Surround track is based on the 2007 DVD, which is a tweak of Bandai's compressed mastering from the 1992 Perfect Edition LaserDisc. I noticed distortions during 0-G Love on the Bandai masterings. The only mastering without this problem is from Shogakukan Video's 1993 Perfect Edition LaserDisc. Aside from his review, my personal watch of the 4k remaster, I picked up separately the 2 issues i posted last night on my 2 watches of the 4k remaster: the 2016 DTS-Master Audio of Ai Oboete Imasu Ka is broken in 2 places comparing it to the original Macross OST CD i own. The first is obvious, the second place you have to have a good ear. Anyone can youtube the original Ai Oboete Imasu Ka track and compare it to the DTS MA, if they listen enough they'll recognize it in those two sections i posted. Or even easier, just select the Linear PCM track on the same 4k disk and listen to the scene with Ai Oboete Imasu Ka 1984 PCM mono track distorts at peak highs but aside from it, it's a superior mix than the other two. Last, I want to share if anyone is into audio fidelity, don't underestimate mono tracks, some of them which were the original recordings are at times a superior sound to later stereo or surround mixes. I'll leave an example of a Jackson 5 mono mix that was later introduced in stereo (and unfortunately became the mainstream release for all future releases) you can clearly hear which one is superior: J5 mono when it was originally released J5 official release in stereo years later on CD For DYRL I love the DTS MA quality but the ending song issues and a few others detract from it. Missing the entire OST music when Hikaru is handing the lyrics to Minmay before the main battle. 2016 Linear PCM, i don't like the mix. voices sound low and a bit bass heavy boomy, Minmay's vocals for Ai Oboete Isasu Ka have an added reverb echo effect that isn't on the mono mix. The 1984 mono mix (aside from the peak distortions), the voices are front and clear, Minmay's voice for Ai Oboete Isasu Ka sounds clear. (My favorite) Edited February 14 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Duke Togo Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: For DYRL I love the DTS MA quality but the ending song issues and a few others detract from it. Missing the entire OST music when Hikaru is handing the lyrics to Minmay before the main battle. 2016 Linear PCM, i don't like the mix. voices sound low and a bit bass heavy boomy, Minmay's vocals for Ai Oboete Isasu Ka have an added reverb echo effect that isn't on the mono mix. The 1984 mono mix (aside from the peak distortions), the voices are front and clear, Minmay's voice for Ai Oboete Isasu Ka sounds clear. (My favorite) Thanks for your input. So, the other PCM track is only 2.0? Not sure where I got the 3.1 from. I'll be checking out the mono track on my next watch, then. Edited February 14 by Duke Togo Quote
Big s Posted February 14 Posted February 14 19 hours ago, Powered Convoy said: Looking at some other cels from the film, the concert definitely gave her more of a greenish blue hair, like my cel, than in later scenes. I personally like the very blue hair in the 4K. I watched mostly on a worn out videotape of the U.S. release and I remember the more greenish look, but that all may be due to inferior quality of the video tape on an old school tv that may have had color issues or just a poor master copy that was given to American distribution. It wasn’t until the later dvd version I had where it looked a bit more blue. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) @Graham and anyone using PS5 as a 4K player for first time: I came to realize after a few days, Sony engages the noise reduction by default and it needs to be turned off. It's a hard to find menu option that's only available only when you play a disc. There's a few other settings on the PS5 that need to be changed in the same menu. link: Here's how to turn it off. Hope it helps someone. Edited February 16 by davidwhangchoi Quote
Jagasian Posted Monday at 02:12 AM Posted Monday at 02:12 AM 21 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said: @Graham and anyone using PS5 as a 4K player for first time: I came to realize after a few days, Sony engages the noise reduction by default and it needs to be turned off. It's a hard to find menu option that's only available only when you play a disc. There's a few other settings on the PS5 that need to be changed in the same menu. link: Here's how to turn it off. Hope it helps someone. I posted this tip earlier in this thread. Once the PS5 noise reduction is disabled, I can see film grain on my LG G2 OLED. Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted Monday at 02:33 AM Posted Monday at 02:33 AM 18 minutes ago, Jagasian said: I posted this tip earlier in this thread. Once the PS5 noise reduction is disabled, I can see film grain on my LG G2 OLED. the NR used on the ps5 will not make a noticeable difference. you won't be able to tell it's on or off. that's a placebo effect. Quote
oshanmacross Posted Monday at 04:16 AM Posted Monday at 04:16 AM There are A LOT of factors when calibrating a display these days. Different manufactures use a mess of chipset methods to upscale, smooth, and get rid of frame cadence. Looks RAD on my sony.... But I first saw DYRL on a 3rd generation VHS tape on a CRT, so what do I know Quote
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