Macross DYRL in 4K UHD with English Subtitles

[Graham]

16 hours ago, davidwhangchoi said:

wait... that's incorrect. ps5 plays UHD blu rays and does 4k.

You are correct. Dunno why I thought it didn't.😅

Watched it last night on my PS5 and 4K TV. Finally went to bed at 2am.

Apart from a few blurry parts it was fantastic.

[Jagasian]

12 minutes ago, Graham said:

You are correct. Dunno why I thought it didn't.😅

Watched it last night on my PS5 and 4K TV. Finally went to bed at 2am.

Apart from a few blurry parts it was fantastic.

The blurry parts are due to the original film.  Same goes for the film grain that is visible in this 4K release.  The blurry parts are a good thing if you care about preservation of the original film look.

DYRL, Akira, Transformers, and a few other 1980s animated movies are the last true fully handmade animated movies.  After them, computer aided animation became common.

Edited Sunday at 02:52 AM by Jagasian

[SteveTheFish]

My friend and I went to see the movie at the Toho Cinema in Utsunomiya. My friend was only familiar with Plus and Frontier, but had never seen the original. It was shown on screen 6 and there was this mini poster outside of the entrance in the picture above. It was quite an experience to see this in a theater for the first time.

It was fully surround sound, too. In 2020, during the beginning of the madness of the era of Corona-chan when every other theater seat was taped off for the purposes of the "social distancing" nonsense, several Studio Ghibli movies were being shown in theaters to keep them going. I took the opportunity to see Nausicaa at the cinema. It was in stereo only, which wouldn't have been so bad, but only the front two left/right speakers were active. If they would have just had all of the left speakers and all of the right speakers active it wouldn't have been so bad, but only the front two speakers by the screen made sound and it took a while to get used to that. It was a cool experience to see Nausicaa on the big screen, but seeing DYRL really dwarfed that experience.

The beginning of the credits with the song "Tenshi no Enogu" featured the animation from Flashback, which has been the standard since the second laserdisc release. The decapitation scenes were not edited, so this was the original movie experience (plus the Flashback concert animation). I'm gonna buy this release.

I'm glad my friend could go with me. My daughter calls this the "uaki ("cheating") movie" because she was on Team Minmay when she first saw it, and was offended when Hikaru kissed Misa in the underwater city. I have this same movie poster on my wall, so I guess she was expecting the movie to be a love story between Hikaru and Minmay and got pissed. So whenever I'd play this laserdisc movie, she'd gripe a bit. Now I wanna get it on bluray and make her gripe more.

Edited Sunday at 03:36 AM by SteveTheFish

[recon]

Hi all

May i check if this is the correct limited ver that comes with poster to purchase from amazon jp as my initial preorder had some problems processing

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/aw/d/B0DDSXWB1F?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

Edited Sunday at 05:18 AM by recon

[rsvictor1976]

8 minutes ago, recon said:

Hi all

May i check if this is the correct limited ver that comes with poster to purchase from amazon jp as my initial preorder had some problems processing

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/aw/d/B0DDSXWB1F?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

Yeah, it's the same one.

[recon]

2 minutes ago, rsvictor1976 said:

Yeah, it's the same one.

Thank you very much

[Keith]

This release is fantastic. That is all.

[davidwhangchoi]

4 hours ago, Graham said:

 

Watched it last night on my PS5 and 4K TV. Finally went to bed at 2am.

Apart from a few blurry parts it was fantastic.

Nice! I'm still waiting for my limited edition (with the 300 page script) 

Still hasn't shipped and may have to get the regular edition if the seller falls through. Can't wait.

[treatment]

Honesly, I'm very grateful with the proper english-subs being included this time, but it would've been more awesome if BV or BW went the distance and included an english-translated booklet .  There is room for it in the box.

Maybe in the next DYRL-8k release?

 

 

 

[Oihan]

The movie looks absolutely incredible in 4k with HDR! While it may not be perfect, it's definitely the best way to watch "DYRL?". I'm so glad they released this!

[Duke Togo]

2 hours ago, treatment said:

Maybe in the next DYRL-8k release?

There will never be an 8K release. No point in it. You'd never notice the difference. You'd have to be sitting within 5 feet of a 100-inch 8K TV to tell the difference between 8K and 4K. Never mind there's no physical media that can adequately support it, and streaming can't even come close to properly doing 4K.

Kawamori would have to have a significant change of heart to revisit this movie in 4K. This scrubbed, glowed-up release is exactly what he wanted. That said, they did something like three different releases of DYRL in HD over the years, yeah?

[davidwhangchoi]

 

[Duke Togo]

1 hour ago, davidwhangchoi said:

 

What are we supposed to be seeing here?

[Duke Togo]

I guess Britai's clothing/body moves when he talks in the original, but doesn't in the new release. I'm not sure that's something that needed to be fixed. It's natural for the body to move when you talk.

[Powered Convoy]

1 hour ago, Duke Togo said:

What are we supposed to be seeing here?

 

12 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

I guess Britai's clothing/body moves when he talks in the original, but doesn't in the new release. I'm not sure that's something that needed to be fixed. It's natural for the body to move when you talk.

Nah, the shadows and highlights on his face are glitching and inconsistent on the Blu-ray but fixed in the 4K. 

[GGemini]

They took some liberties with the subtitles. I mean, he does say "Yack deculture", but that's not what the subs in Japanese say 😆

Edited Sunday at 02:31 PM by GGemini
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[Duke Togo]

35 minutes ago, Powered Convoy said:

Nah, the shadows and highlights on his face are glitching and inconsistent on the Blu-ray but fixed in the 4K

Oh yes, I see it now

[Jagasian]

5 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

There will never be an 8K release. No point in it. You'd never notice the difference. You'd have to be sitting within 5 feet of a 100-inch 8K TV to tell the difference between 8K and 4K. Never mind there's no physical media that can adequately support it, and streaming can't even come close to properly doing 4K.

Kawamori would have to have a significant change of heart to revisit this movie in 4K. This scrubbed, glowed-up release is exactly what he wanted. That said, they did something like three different releases of DYRL in HD over the years, yeah?

This year’s 4K was is a downscale of a 5K transfer.  So once 8K media is released several years from now, I bet they offer the full 5K transfer.  The difference will only be noticeable using special tools that hardcore fans use to inspect each frame.

The reason they captured the film in 5K was likely to give their digital editing team a bit of flexibility to digitally clean things up in 5K so that when downscaled to 4K, their edits are subtle.

[Duke Togo]

10 minutes ago, Jagasian said:

So once 8K media is released several years from now

Don't hold your breath.

Edit: it should also be noted that an 8K scan of the camera negative wouldn't produce a better image than the 5K. A film shot on 35mm doesn't benefit from it. There's simply not that level of information in the image. 70mm is another story, but it's not widely used.

Edited Sunday at 04:45 PM by Duke Togo

[Jagasian]

40 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

Don't hold your breath.

Edit: it should also be noted that an 8K scan of the camera negative wouldn't produce a better image than the 5K. A film shot on 35mm doesn't benefit from it. There's simply not that level of information in the image. 70mm is another story, but it's not widely used.

I agree that it won’t happen for many years, and that above 5K the transfer is only going to capture more details of the film itself such as the grain, holes, dust, and focus issues… as opposed to capturing more details of the cels.  Also, any improvement going from 4K to 5K will only be noticeable using special tools, not normal viewing.

I was just pointing out that since a 5K transfer was made, they most definitely have it securely archived so that several years from now they can monetize it.  The fans are so obsessed now that any minor improvement they will pay for… and that is a good thing.  Just look at their 1080p transfer as a good example.  They sold it twice.  The first one with censorship (2012) and the second one without censorship (2016).

Back to the normal programming: this 4K release is the best yet and definitely worth buying.  I’ve watched it twice this weekend.

[gzep]

I can’t wait for my copy! Question though to those who ordered from Amazon.jp: did you get charge a little extra than normal? I ordered the non-poster version and did the math with the conversion rate, and it seems like I was charged a bit extra. Just wondering if anyone else experienced this 😅.

But yes I’m so stoked to revisit this film.

[treatment]

3 hours ago, GGemini said:

They took some liberties with the subtitles. I mean, he does say "Yack deculture", but that's not what the subs in Japanese say 😆

 

Most likely the transliteration wasn't included in the script that was submitted for the english-subs.

At any rate,  here's a more usual minor nitpick where Minmay explicitly said "Nii-san", but the english-subs used his name instead:

 

add/edit:

14 minutes ago, gzep said:

I can’t wait for my copy! Question though to those who ordered from Amazon.jp: did you get charge a little extra than normal? I ordered the non-poster version and did the math with the conversion rate, and it seems like I was charged a bit extra. Just wondering if anyone else experienced this 😅.

But yes I’m so stoked to revisit this film.

 

My amz-jp order actually got even discounted by 1055y, so not sure what happened to your order.

You can try to check which shipping-option you selected for your order, and/or check with your credit-card's actual yen exchange-rate for your order.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:46 PM by treatment

[Duke Togo]

9 minutes ago, treatment said:

At any rate,  here's a more usual minor nitpick where Minmay explicitly said "Nii-san", but the english-subs used his name instead:

It always annoys me when they do that sorta thing with anime subtitles. So common. Who decided we couldn't handle characters referring to their family members by what the actual relation is?

[Hikuro]

I'd like to get my hands on the 4K disc at some point, kind of looking into it right now....looks like regular ol Amazon will release it this friday but man 90 bucks. Guess that's fairly standard even with CDJapan once I pay taxes and shipping it'll be close to that amount. 

It sort of made me realize the fandub is gonna hit a 15 year mark in 2027....technically it has, the first adaption I did was in 2010, the redo I think was 2012. Wow.....man that's crazy. 
 

[gzep]

48 minutes ago, treatment said:

My amz-jp order actually got even discounted by 1055y, so not sure what happened to your order.

You can try to check which shipping-option you selected for your order, and/or check with your credit-card's actual yen exchange-rate for your order.

 

 

Odd. The total amount of yen (including the shipping option I picked) doesn’t equate to the conversion, and yes my CC doesn’t charge foreign transaction fee. To be fair, it’s only a buck or two plus 50 cents or so, still I’m just puzzled by it. Wonder if I should contact Amazon.jp

[Shawn]

That link above with the Britai changes has some other interesting ones too. I couldn't figure out the Minmei one though, is just just the colors?

The easy way to make ALL the fans happy is to have version 1 scan only and the required base color correction, and then have version 2 fix everything.
Make a UHD box and a STD Blu-Ray box version and stop mixing the 2 formats, because each home is buying an extra disc they will not watch based on what they have. For that minor extra cost in packaging, we can have the peeps that like the live grain feel of the movie have their cake, and the smoother de-noised cel-like people have theirs.
This is not our first rodeo, I think it has been established by NOW that whatever you do will make some part of the audience upset, but yet this is what continues to be done.

Hell-scratch that entire thing I just said, the bean-counters won't be happy.
How about this...

Make an extra 'Ultra-Collector Scan Only' version and charge $250 for it. This one comes on a single UHD disc only, in a plain brown cardboard box, and then let those fans have the de-smoothed/de-enhanced variant.
The helmet pic below is a great example of this, on the left it is less vibrant, but in my old eyes more familiar, more natural, and more in focus than the enhanced one on the right (MY opinion). Just make it an OPTION for some of us who have bought every version of this title for 40 years. You can milk us for one more version!

Also, when does the re-pressed disc to fix the helmet artifacts error come out 

[Shawn]

The Minmei one is the tear glimmer in the eyes, omg. Watching it 30 times back to back it finally sunk in. Argh.

This scene's filming was part of the DYRL TV Special. The original alternating eye glimmer is all THEIR fault. 😛

Could you have imagined having someone from the future pull one of them aside and say '40 years from now some old jerk in the United States on a Macross website he runs will be complaining from his personal computer about how the AI enhancement engine was used to fix your minor painting mistake, so take a deep breath and paint that glimmer within the lines please'

[Steady]

I'm a big advocate for film preservation and my fear is that the recent wave of overly processed AI 4K "restorations" will become the definitive versions and the originals artwork will be become lost over time.  Movies are a snapshot in time--the themes in the stories, and the technical craft in how they are made.  Do Your Remember Love was a state-of-the-art film in 1984.  Its important not to lose that.  I feel like we are, ever so slightly, gradually softening, resharpening, and blurring our history away.  

 

[Jagasian]

4 hours ago, Shawn said:

That link above with the Britai changes has some other interesting ones too. I couldn't figure out the Minmei one though, is just just the colors?

The easy way to make ALL the fans happy is to have version 1 scan only and the required base color correction, and then have version 2 fix everything.
Make a UHD box and a STD Blu-Ray box version and stop mixing the 2 formats, because each home is buying an extra disc they will not watch based on what they have. For that minor extra cost in packaging, we can have the peeps that like the live grain feel of the movie have their cake, and the smoother de-noised cel-like people have theirs.
This is not our first rodeo, I think it has been established by NOW that whatever you do will make some part of the audience upset, but yet this is what continues to be done.

Hell-scratch that entire thing I just said, the bean-counters won't be happy.
How about this...

Make an extra 'Ultra-Collector Scan Only' version and charge $250 for it. This one comes on a single UHD disc only, in a plain brown cardboard box, and then let those fans have the de-smoothed/de-enhanced variant.
The helmet pic below is a great example of this, on the left it is less vibrant, but in my old eyes more familiar, more natural, and more in focus than the enhanced one on the right (MY opinion). Just make it an OPTION for some of us who have bought every version of this title for 40 years. You can milk us for one more version!

Also, when does the re-pressed disc to fix the helmet artifacts error come out 

Or just sell the raw 5K transfer and let the hardcore collectors use their AI scaler of choice.  Waifu2x-Extension-GUI is a free software suite that makes it easy to create your custom AI scaled anime.   There are settings for keeping the film grain, and settings for scrubbing away all grain.  It can upscale, downscale, there are dozens of AI models to choose from.

[Duke Togo]

Most fan-AI upscale content I've seen out there has had its fair share of issues. Really not that great. I'd rather watch the original HD.

[Duke Togo]

3 hours ago, Steady said:

I'm a big advocate for film preservation and my fear is that the recent wave of overly processed AI 4K "restorations" will become the definitive versions and the originals artwork will be become lost over time.  Movies are a snapshot in time--the themes in the stories, and the technical craft in how they are made.  Do Your Remember Love was a state-of-the-art film in 1984.  Its important not to lose that.  I feel like we are, ever so slightly, gradually softening, resharpening, and blurring our history away.  

 

100% this.

[Duke Togo]

7 hours ago, Shawn said:

The easy way to make ALL the fans happy is to have version 1 scan only and the required base color correction, and then have version 2 fix everything.

I'm actually ok with fixing animation/coloring errors. I'm also ok with cleaning up FX shots in live-action films. But I'm not ok with removing natural film grain inherent to the negative, and I generally have issues with entirely new color gradings, especially if they dramatically alter the look of the film.

[treatment]

I just ripped the 4k versions and streamed it to my LG C2 using my 4k-Roku stick's media-player,  which converts everything to Dolby Vision format as per my Roku settings.

Here's the funny part or just me reverting back to being a n00b:

It seems that Roku's Dolby-Vision auto-conversion somehow totatlly mutes the colors on my DYRL-4k rip.

I switched the DolbyVision setting to OFF and made it native HDR instead, and the colors on my DYRL-4k rip became very vivid again.

So bizarre.

Just an interestring observation while watching this DYRL-4K...

 

 

 

[Duke Togo]

2 minutes ago, treatment said:

I just ripped the 4k versions and streamed it to my LG C2 using my 4k-Roku stick's media-player,  which converts everything to Dolby Vision format as per my Roku settings.

Yeah, that's not how things work. You're actually borking your colors by letting Roku display everything in Dolby Vision mode. Dolby Vision should only be used if the content you're watching is encoded with it. You can't force/convert it. It'll only screw up your colors.

[treatment]

2 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

Yeah, that's not how things work. You're actually borking your colors by letting Roku display everything in Dolby Vision mode. Dolby Vision should only be used if the content you're watching is encoded with it. You can't force/convert it. It'll only screw up your colors.

 

I didn't realized it does that since I always have Dolby Vision On for Amzn-Prime content.