Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, jvmacross said: I'm by no means a SW expert, but a simple Google search shows they had been a "problem" for the New Republic for apparently a decade or more.... https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Order A "problem" does not equal open warfare. And really, none of this has anything to do with Skeleton Crew. As for the validity of the Republic credits being a plot hole, lol, ok.
Seto Kaiba Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) Well, the end is here... with "The Real Good Guys". Spoiler Jod manages to spin his implicit threat to the kids into an introduction... and actually uses his real/credited name this time: "Jod Na Nawood". He then attempts to send the kids to their rooms under safety droid escort. (It really is impressive how Fern's mom seems to be totally oblivious to the villainous subtext Jod is laying down with a trowel. Wim is try very hard to rules lawyer his way around the instructions Jod gave the safety droid and warn his father that Jod isn't a real Jedi (or a Republic emissary), and his dad is still so completely intent on Wim's standardized test scores that he misses the message. Wendle completely dismisses it as "that's what the Supervisor's for". I really have to hand it to whomever in the art department designed the At Attin safety droids. They look so generic and unthreatening on their own, but jerky way they move and their croaky voices are lend a genuine air of quiet menace to them when they need it. Their unblinking security camera stare is genuinely unnerving in its presentation. Spoiler ... the Supervisor's office looks awfully Palpatine's throne room. The whole place is dimly lit, shades of dark gunmetal, and the room is dominated by a massive dias on one end. The room, as Jod notices, is visibly caked in dust. At Attin's ruler - the Supervisor - is a massive droid. The thing that looked like a dias is a massive R2-D2-like droid head. Apparently the planet being controlled by a droid is "decreed by the Great Work". Pretty much the reveal I expected, given how much of At Attin's public services seem to be run by droids and how nobody ever referred to "the Supervisor" with a name... only ever as "the Supervisor". We do get a statement that suggests that, while At Attin has been isolated from the greater galaxy for a very long time, it hasn't necessarily been out of contact. Spoiler After the entire scene makes it seem like the Supervisor is too old and too droid-y to question Jod's story, he reveals that he knows Jod is lying. The last communication At Attin had from the Republic was the post-Order 66 official declaration that the Jedi were traitors to the Republic. This buys Fern enough breathing room to shout that Jod is actually a space pirate looking to rob the place. The Supervisor sics safety droids with rifles on him, but is taken out almost immediately when Jod stabs it in the eye. As bosses go, it seems like the Supervisor was load-bearing... Spoiler ... because when Jod destroys it, it takes out all of the safety droids everywhere as well as the entire public power grid. It only takes Jod a minute or two of poking around to locate a control to permanently disable the barrier... and Fern's mother negotiates to prevent its destruction by instead clearing his ship to get through. Jod's frigate conveniently does a dramatic low pass over Wim's house on its way to the mint and starts barraging the street for no reason. Wendle really is determined to do literally anything except listen to his kid... including trying to start a car he knows won't start, and leave the problem to the safety droids he knows aren't working. The kids decide to steal the Onyx Cinder one more time, fly out past the barrier, and call the New Republic for help. So we get a dramatic hoverbike chase through suburban At Attin as the pirates attack. They actually make it to the Onyx Cinder almost without issue, only to discover the docking clamps can't be disengaged manually... so they have to go to the Supervisor's tower to reroute power. Neel, who got separated from the group, goes to activate the turbolaser cannon on the roof of the school. Wim gets to BS Jod for a bid too, so his dad can sneak in and start restoring power. They even try to BS Jod that the Jedi aren't all gone, and very nearly get one over on him. I love that Neel gets a Big Damn Heroes moment after so often being The Load in this series. Spoiler The Onyx Cinder takes a hit and goes down, and we get a fake-out that KB died. After eight episodes of dithering, we finally get the answer to one of the bigger questions... Jod's powers. Spoiler Jod is not an Order 66 survivor, but he was essentially adopted and briefly trained in the Force by one who (from his implication) was caught and subequently executed by the Inquisitors. It seems that being poor as a kid and then losing his mentor is what turned Jod into a misanthrope supreme. Wendle gets his second go at a Big Damn Heroes moment himself, attacking and disarming Jod and buying enough time for the barrier to be turned off. There's an absolutely beautiful effects shot as immediately thereafter... followed by the arrival of the New Republic. Spoiler There's also an odd moment where it seems the B-Wings in the New Republic forces have the same anti-capital ship gun that first appeared in Rebels. There's another beautifully framed sequence where Jod is left standing alone in the Supervisor's powerless tower, watching his fatally wounded ship burning on its way down as the New Republic forces pick it to pieces... followed by some lovingly rendered CGI carnage as the ship finally descends far enough to clip the landscape, keel over, and slide to a landing in an river. We also see that KB crashed the Onyx Cinder into the dome at the school, and after a second fakeout turns out to be completely fine. SM-33 then steals the scene by popping up (still decapitated) to point out this was "one of my better landings". We get one last effects shot of a blockade runner coming in to land and the series ends. All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with this ending. It's not the direction I thought they'd go with the ending, but it works pretty well. They made pretty good use of all the characters, the story wrapped up in a reasonably satisfying way that offered both closure and enough of an opening that they can continue the story in a second season should they decide to. A very strong ending, on balance. The only real problem with the story and/or the ending is the previously-discussed "if you think about it at all" one regarding the value of Old Republic credits. Spoiler It's never addressed why Old Republic credits are treated as still having value, when they're the fiat money of a government that ceased to exist many years prior. If you think about it at all, you realize Jod's prize is technically worthless... the mint hasn't been producing legal tender for dozens, if not hundreds, of years. Edited January 15 by Seto Kaiba
Mog Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Are there annoying little plot contrivances? Oh yes! Spoiler * No redundant systems or backups for the Supervisor? That’s kinda dumb. * Seriously, turn off the damn lights on your hoverbikes!! Stop giving away your positions!! 🤦🏻♂️ BUT it was a fun ride that ended nicely. A few other comments: Spoiler * Jod’s hubris and greed really screwed him over. Should have just taken the credits and left. Come back at regular intervals, and just gaslight the kids when they try to say what really happened (“If I’m really that evil, why would I let the kids go?”) * Wow, that origin story is worse than I thought. Getting found and taught by a Jedi on the run, saying you have potential, and then watching her get killed. That’ll eff a dude up. * I don’t think Wim wants to take the Assessment anymore, Dad. 😅 He’s got fighters on the brain now! * B-Wing blasting the super-blaster and a Blockade Runner for the feels!
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 23 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Order A "problem" does not equal open warfare. And really, none of this has anything to do with Skeleton Crew. It does because the show had no other purpose in the general scope of SW world-building than to demonstrate that, initially, the New Republic seemed like a good thing...but I guess we are supposed to feel bad about how all eventually went bad and lead straight into the events of TROS....other than that the entire series was pointless....
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 The show's ending was so underwhelming that I must have missed the reveal to the last minute mystery from Ep 7 of what the at-atians get privy to once they graduate.... That they are ruled by a robot overlord? Also what was the "great work"? Again....if the Supervisor knew the Jedi were enemies of the Republic....how would it not know about everything else that has happened after Order 66? Who was supplying this info to the supervisor? Was the supervisor aware of the destruction of the other At-Planets? Seems like SW is back to portraying folks that learn about the Force at a later age becoming a-holes without the guidance of a Jedi.....broom boy is screwed...
Roy Focker Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, jvmacross said: The show's ending was so underwhelming that I must have missed the reveal to the last minute mystery from Ep 7 of what the at-atians get privy to once they graduate.... That they are ruled by a robot overlord? Also what was the "great work"? Again....if the Supervisor knew the Jedi were enemies of the Republic....how would it not know about everything else that has happened after Order 66? Who was supplying this info to the supervisor? Was the supervisor aware of the destruction of the other At-Planets? Seems like SW is back to portraying folks that learn about the Force at a later age becoming a-holes without the guidance of a Jedi.....broom boy is screwed... You realize this was the Star Wars show specifically aimed at kids more than any other show (excluding the Ewok TV movies). No kids in the real world would be able to save the day like that. Kid centered fiction follows a different set of rules. If this was a show featuring adults as the leads, I'd questioned everything. Since this show is for kid and about kids, I'm judging it by a different standard did they tell a good story? Was I entertained? Did I care about the characters? To that I say yes. I'd put it up there with Andor. Both are good for different reasons. I'd even say it might even be better than season 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian.
azrael Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I'll be spoiler-free in this. It was OK. I think the number of bad Star Wars shows has definitely tempered expectations quite a bit. Entertaining, but after a while some things start to wear out their welcome. The naivety of the children started to annoy me before the halfway point (yes I understand they are children...🙄and the target audience are kids) and started to drown out the show. At the same time, the stereotypical characters, the daydreamer Wim, the tough acting Fern, the know-it-all KB, and the 3rd wheel Neel; they were all getting annoying after a while. Jod's backstory...are we going to see more of these types of characters when we want to add Jedi into the mix? The ending felt lacking. Like...that's it? Are we expecting a Season 2 to explain what happens or we're just stopping right there? Overall: C+. 78pts.
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 hours ago, azrael said: Are we expecting a Season 2 to explain what happens or we're just stopping right there? The show runners are game to do a second season. No word on whether or not we'll get one.
TangledThorns Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) Half-way through this series. It's a cute pirate adventure in the Star Wars galaxy and imho SM-33 is the best new Star Wars character in a long time. Give whoever created SM-33 a promotion and a raise! It's good that Disney took this kind of risk too, it needs more outside the box thinking for Star Wars. That being said my young children still have no interest in Star Wars, lol. Edited January 15 by TangledThorns
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 5 hours ago, Roy Focker said: You realize this was the Star Wars show specifically aimed at kids more than any other show (excluding the Ewok TV movies). No kids in the real world would be able to save the day like that. Kid centered fiction follows a different set of rules. If this was a show featuring adults as the leads, I'd questioned everything. Since this show is for kid and about kids, I'm judging it by a different standard did they tell a good story? Was I entertained? Did I care about the characters? To that I say yes. I'd put it up there with Andor. Both are good for different reasons. I'd even say it might even be better than season 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian. Perhaps you just deciphered the code for the only type of SW show that can possibly succeed for D+ SW....a cartoon logic show done in live action.....unfortunately, the "target audience" can't afford to pay the ever increasing D+ subscription fees....the reported streaming viewership numbers point to the fact that the true and most important" target audience"....the ones paying the D+ streaming bills....didn't care for this type of show...apparently there were 20% lower folks watching Skellington Crew than The Acolyte....this is not a good thing.... Maybe this should have just been released as a movie instead to give a nod to it's SW Ewok movies roots that were also made "for the kids".....bottomline is that no one wanted this according to the viewership numbers....so D+ is once again forced back the the proverbial drawing board....
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, TangledThorns said: That being my young children still have no interest in Star Wars, lol. Exactly....most "kids" interested in D+ SW haven't been "kids" for decades....lol
the_foul_fowl Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I liked it! One of the more fun and entertaining shows I’ve watched, especially after the acolyte fiasco. Ended well too, and I liked that the season could stand on its own. I think this is the first time Spoiler we’ve seen B-wings in live-action beyond ROTJ, great to see the super laser from the animation too
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Something I felt about Jude Law's character in the final episode: Spoiler I got the feeling he was REALLY not prepared to hurt those kids. He was threatening, but it seemed to me that was not a direction he wanted to go.
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: Something I felt about Jude Law's character in the final episode: Hide contents I got the feeling he was REALLY not prepared to hurt those kids. He was threatening, but it seemed to me that was not a direction he wanted to go. This shocks you from the main character in what supposedly is a show aimed at kids?....it could not have ended for his character any other way....LOL
Seto Kaiba Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: Something I felt about Jude Law's character in the final episode: Hide contents I got the feeling he was REALLY not prepared to hurt those kids. He was threatening, but it seemed to me that was not a direction he wanted to go. Hm... I dunno. At a few points, it almost feels like the writers are either of two minds about Jod or are facing some executive meddling saying "You can't have him do that in a kids show!". From the start, Jod was shown to have little in the way of qualms about the act of killing as we see in his ordering the freighter captain spaced and his execution of a defenseless Brutus. He's clearly willing to terrify the kids into compliance with explicit threats of violence towards their loved ones and he has to be aware that his crew were going to hurt and kill a lot of people when they seized the mint and enslaved the local populace to keep it running. IMO he comes off as reluctant to hurt the kids because of his own baggage... but prepared to do so if he has to as he's done with everything else. Maybe it was executive meddling, maybe they were just trying to make sure he didn't cross the line into irredeemable territory in case they get a second season and want to bring him back.
Mog Posted January 15 Posted January 15 As I sorta mentioned before with Jod: greed, hubris, and not thinking things completely through. Kinda fits how he acted throughout this series.
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 4 hours ago, mechaninac said: I'm not watching whatever toxic, internet fandom nonsense that is.
jenius Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Watched it with my son, we thought it was fun. As an adult, I had some qualms but all very minor in the grand scheme. First SW I've watched since Mandalorian.
Thom Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: I'm not watching whatever toxic, internet fandom nonsense that is. Same here! Don't need someone else's rants in any way. For me, it was a good ending to a good show. Not great, but fun and entertaining, which is the best of the two out of three. The third being making sense, so maybe 2 1/5 out of 3. Spoiler What the credits are made of doesn't bother me too much. As far as I am concerned they are made from a precious metal and that's it. Jod's backstory is really sad. Thinking about the poor kid being shown he has potential, only for the person saying that to be killed right in front of him. Sadly, he could have gone two ways, but he ended up going the cheaper/darker path. He talked about 'points of light surrounded by darkness' (not a direct quote) and I would have liked to have one of the kids remark that he should have been fighting for those points of light. The show could have used a few more minutes of dialogue like that to help stretch the time. Of course, KB wasn't going to die, but when you see your best friend get in a car wreck the normal reaction is to shout. Felt bad that Onyx Cinder crashed! Hopefully it'll get fixed and be the hero ship if they have a season 2. And SM33 is still the best pirate (droid) even with a detached head! The supervisors room, the first thing I noticed was the architecture. I felt it had a very Imperial feel to it. Don't know if that was intentional or not. And I loved seeing the New Republic forces soaring in! It was some great visual effect, from the pirate frigate making its entrance to the B-wing using their super guns and its take-down. Awesome visuals. Do I think the adults were used a little too much as a crutch? Yes. Wim's dad was definitely too dependent on the droids handling things, which I really can't blame him or anyone of them for. They have been raised with the droids controlling everything, so a hesitation to even recognize that they are not going help is believable. I did feel it though when you see the change come over his face and fist clenching. Guy had had enough! Go Wim's dad! Overall, very good show. Some niggles, but hardly enough to burn the show to the ground. I do wish it was a bit longer. I felt there was a lot happening, which makes time feel faster, so I wish they had stretched it out a bit more. If I was to rate this, I would give it a B+. Edited January 15 by Thom
Seto Kaiba Posted January 16 Posted January 16 5 hours ago, mechaninac said: Hard pass, I don't need to see some toxic fanboy YouTuber whining about a good series because it doesn't fit their narrow worldview. It's a fun show to watch, and that's all it needs to be.
mechaninac Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Hard pass, I don't need to see some toxic fanboy YouTuber whining about a good series because it doesn't fit their narrow worldview. It's a fun show to watch, and that's all it needs to be. You, along with others, are myopically falling for a prejudgment fallacy. He actually mostly praises the series, calling it competent and entertaining, just as he calls Andor a smartly written and overall worthy entry. His point is that what came before it, the many failures pumped out by Disney-Lucasfilm is what doomed it, with special emphasis on The Acolyte; so yes, Star Wars, the way it's been mishandled and abused, killed it. Edited January 16 by mechaninac
Hikuro Posted January 16 Posted January 16 From what I just watched, he spent the majority of the film bashing the fact that it didn't get many views, blames a lot of it on Acolyte which even with that show being canceled people STILL wanna talk about it so......yeah. But also pointed out that he thinks people won't give a rats ass about Star Wars unless it has characters everyone is already familiar with or already has a built in fanbase. Which he isn't wrong, you tend to get more enjoyment seeing characters and actors coming back repraising their roles. But I also like new content. And now that I'm finished with Skeleton Crew, I sort of liked it, but I'm a bit disappointed in how it ended which was rather meek. It could have used 1 more episode.
azrael Posted January 16 Posted January 16 22 minutes ago, mechaninac said: His point is that what came before it, the many failures pumped out by Disney-Lucasfilm is what doomed it Ahem... 👇 17 hours ago, azrael said: I think the number of bad Star Wars shows has definitely tempered expectations quite a bit.
Seto Kaiba Posted January 16 Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, mechaninac said: You, along with others, are myopically falling for a prejudgment fallacy. Considering how toxic many of the more outspoken Star Wars fan YouTubers are, it's more a case of having seen enough that we've been conditioned to expect toxic fan behavior from any unsolicited YouTube video. 😅 42 minutes ago, mechaninac said: His point is that what came before it, the many failures pumped out by Disney-Lucasfilm is what doomed it, with special emphasis on The Acolyte; so yes, Star Wars, the way it's been mishandled and abused, killed it. If so, then I'd say they're right for the wrong reason. Disney+'s previous Star Wars failures definitely hurt Skeleton Crew's prospects, but I'd argue that the cause of those failures has consistently been the franchise runner's extremely narrow view of what a Star Wars story should be and the comic book-like decline in quality and accessibility that comes with the escalating number of tie-ins and crossovers. The producers resistance to making original stories like Skeleton Crew is why the franchise struggles. The Mandalorian was a solid series at the outset, and its gradual decline perfectly parallels its increasing connectedness to plot threads and lore left over from Dave Filoni's pre-Disney The Clone Wars animated series. The Book of Boba Fett fell flat right out of the gate because it was one massive fanservice push built around an underdeveloped legacy character. Ahsoka and Obi-Wan Kenobi similarly fell apart because they were written around fanservice and expected to sell because of a beloved legacy character not because there was anything meaningful to the story. Tales of the Jedi and Tales of the Empire are pure and unnecessary fanservice. The Acolyte ended up a trashfire because the show's promoted fan producer-writer was more interested in showing her affection for the High Republic period and the Jedi than telling a coherent story. Those tie-ins and crossovers might bring the die-hards out in the short term, but they're a self-defeating premise in the long term because it's only a matter of time until some fan sacred cow gets made into hamburger. The Bad Batch is just a mediocre-at-best direct sequel to The Clone Wars that improves the more distance it puts between itself and what it spun off from but never really made itself into a distinct entity. The good shows - Andor and Skeleton Crew - work because they're compelling original stories that are in the Star Wars universe but don't depend upon connections to the "main" Skywalker narrative. Andor is connected to the main narrative indirectly, but those connections are superficial to the story and you replace Cassian with any other character and nothing would change in the story. Skeleton Crew, for its part, is just a fun, totally stand-alone adventure in the Star Wars galaxy and that makes it both entertaining and accessible. I think that even if it didn't get a huge following initially that audiences will pick it up in time because of how accessible its story is. Unlike all of the other Star Wars shows to date, Skeleton Crew is a completely self-contained story. You don't have to have seen another show to understand what's going on the way you do in most of the others. That makes it easy to pick up, and the light and generally fun adventure story keeps it easy to remain engaged with even if Star Wars is something you have only a casual interest in. Its viewership might've suffered due to previous failures, but that's mainly because Skeleton Crew is the kind of show Disney+ should've started with.
Thom Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, mechaninac said: You, along with others, are myopically falling for a prejudgment fallacy. He actually mostly praises the series, calling it competent and entertaining, just as he calls Andor a smartly written and overall worthy entry. His point is that what came before it, the many failures pumped out by Disney-Lucasfilm is what doomed it, with special emphasis on The Acolyte; so yes, Star Wars, the way it's been mishandled and abused, killed it. It's in the title, man. 'Skeleton Crew Died, Star Wars killed it.' If the guy has a broad view and is not pushing one toxic mind-set, then you don't name it that. He himself is pushing a 'prejudgment' right from the start. Here's a good example of something I might watch, 'Skeleton Crew, Let's Discuss the Good and the Bad.' That shows me that the reviewer isn't a one-sided troll, bent on angst for click-baiting. What he did use, makes me not want to waste a second of my life on his teeny, tiny opinion.
Seto Kaiba Posted January 16 Posted January 16 24 minutes ago, pengbuzz said: Agree again: the entire franchise is suffering clone degradation, and Skeleton Crew turned out to be at least something original (admittedly, I had my doubts at the start like everyone else). Star Wars is kind of a victim of its own success. It had a very successful formula and made a huge cultural impact on whole generations with the original and sequel trilogies, but as a result now that the creatives working on it are people who were fans of it as kids they have a very narrow concept of what a Star Wars story can be. Andor was a sign that Star Wars has good stories left in it if creatives are willing to look outside the franchise's narrow conventions, and Skeleton Crew is IMO a vindication of that viewpoint. 24 minutes ago, pengbuzz said: Yeah; you can tell the beginnings of studio interference/ woke interference by just that. Not at all... and I'd say the latter doesn't even exist given how meaningless that statement is. No, the difficulties Star Wars faces are because its current crop of creatives are long-time fans themselves. The series and story concepts they're coming up with are things that appeal to them as fans... and the deeper they go down the fanservice rabbit hole the worse the shows get. It's no accident that the best Disney+ Star Wars series (Andor) is also the only one where the showrunner's not a Star Wars fan. Skeleton Crew owes quite a bit to whoever managed to keep its showrunner and/or writers on task developing a fun, accessible, stand-alone adventure story that's just set in the Star Wars galaxy instead of a formulaic Star Wars story. Whoever that was is the real MVP at Disney LucasFilm.
Big s Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Late to the conversation here again due to power restrictions and finally figured out a work around for getting subtitles on Macross plus for my tv. Had to watch a couple episodes out of excitement. Anyway finally was able to watch the final episode of Skeleton Crew and it ended……………
Thom Posted January 17 Posted January 17 6 hours ago, Big s said: Late to the conversation here again due to power restrictions and finally figured out a work around for getting subtitles on Macross plus for my tv. Had to watch a couple episodes out of excitement. Anyway finally was able to watch the final episode of Skeleton Crew and it ended……………
Big s Posted January 17 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Thom said: That’s basically how I felt about the ending
Seto Kaiba Posted January 17 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Big s said: That’s basically how I felt about the ending Kind of a "now what?" ending, eh?
jvmacross Posted January 17 Posted January 17 23 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Kind of a "now what?" ending, eh? More of a "why do I keep paying for D+?" ending...lol They should have shown Space Jack Sparrow being carted off in handcuffs by the New Republic....it's not like a man of his ingenuity would not have been able to escape at some point if a Season 2 required it...instead, his fate will be another avoidable mystery in the ever shrinking SW Galaxy...seriously, another morally vague Force user running around....surely Luke and Leia would want to meet this potential problem, which alone, is why he should not have been a Force user....it just complicates the logic of the post-ROTJ timeline....and again, comes back to tying back to the Skywalker Saga....an itch that Disney can't help but scratch...
Big s Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said: Kind of a "now what?" ending, eh? Seriously. I was waiting for an after credit scene. It never happened. Spoiler I know some expected something bad to happen to Jod, and I kinda figured he’d slip away with a little chunk of change, but nothing happened. He just stood there. I do think he had a soft redemption in that he didn’t try to actually kill anyone at all after Captain werewolf, but it just all felt anticlimactic. I feel like the act of killing captain Werewolf in the last episode was a bad mistake for the writing in this episode. Without having a real bad guy at the last episode really ended up harming the ending. Like they just had a boatload of bafoons left as aggressors. Spoiler The whole time it’s been too obvious that jod wouldn’t actually kill anyone other than a big bad guy and that guy already died. It left a question between him either needing to fight his way out to avoid capture or him somehow saving the day, and neither happened. There’s also no explanation about how this planet would really be run after the master computer died and the big shields destroyed to at least close out. I really hated the parents in this episode. They were a little mentally deficient before, but here they were completely brain dead It basically ended up like a big open faced sandwich without anything on top of the bread. on the good side the episode looked pretty….
Seto Kaiba Posted January 17 Posted January 17 47 minutes ago, Big s said: Seriously. I was waiting for an after credit scene. It never happened. Yeah, I too was surprised to not see an after-credits scene on Skeleton Crew's final episode to tease a next season. Maybe, after The Acolyte, the showrunners felt it was too much like tempting fate. 47 minutes ago, Big s said: Hide contents I know some expected something bad to happen to Jod, and I kinda figured he’d slip away with a little chunk of change, but nothing happened. He just stood there. I do think he had a soft redemption in that he didn’t try to actually kill anyone at all after Captain werewolf, but it just all felt anticlimactic. I feel like the act of killing captain Werewolf in the last episode was a bad mistake for the writing in this episode. Without having a real bad guy at the last episode really ended up harming the ending. Like they just had a boatload of bafoons left as aggressors. IMO, having Brutus around for the finale would've been a mistake. His role in the story was to be a foil/rival to Jod, a usurper who Jod could dethrone right before the end of the story to properly assert his Villain Credentials from the first episode. If Brutus had still been alive, he'd have been at loggerheads with Jod the entire final episode and detracted from Jod's intended role as the show's Big Bad. As far as the body count... well... it is supposed to be a kid's show. 47 minutes ago, Big s said: Hide contents The whole time it’s been too obvious that jod wouldn’t actually kill anyone other than a big bad guy and that guy already died. It left a question between him either needing to fight his way out to avoid capture or him somehow saving the day, and neither happened. There’s also no explanation about how this planet would really be run after the master computer died and the big shields destroyed to at least close out. I really hated the parents in this episode. They were a little mentally deficient before, but here they were completely brain dead It basically ended up like a big open faced sandwich without anything on top of the bread. on the good side the episode looked pretty…. Spoiler I agree with a fair bit of what you said here about Jod's unwillingness to kill... but Brutus was never the show's Big Bad. Jod comes into the story as the Big Evil Space Pirate and, despite being ousted, the series repeatedly reminds us that he's not a good person and that he's manipulating the kids because he believes their story that they're from legendary treasure planet At Attin. As to the parents... well... I feel like getting frustrated with them was The Point. They're the parents in a kid-centric adventure story, so of course they're going to be opposed to their children doing anything dangerous. They're supposed to not listen so the kids HAVE to run off and take the initiative to save the day. To me, they read like pretty believable upper middle class suburbanites.
Thom Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Hide contents .. As to the parents... well... I feel like getting frustrated with them was The Point. They're the parents in a kid-centric adventure story, so of course they're going to be opposed to their children doing anything dangerous. They're supposed to not listen so the kids HAVE to run off and take the initiative to save the day. To me, they read like pretty believable upper middle class suburbanites. Spoiler They are also pretty dependent on the droids for everything, to the point that I think administrators such as Fern's mom did their job with a rubber stamp in hand. Raised from the crib really to always depend on the the droids making the big decisions, and when that stopped... Wim's dad had his turnaround moment when he finally acted on his own and went after Jod. As to the ending, Spoiler I wasn't expecting a credit scene, I just wanted the episode to be a bit longer, even if all they did was show Jod either in custody, or hiding out until everything calmed down. Overall, I'm happy with it. Edited January 18 by Thom
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