jvmacross Posted January 12 Posted January 12 50 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: It's mentioned in the show's Wikipedia... aggregators TVision, JustWatch, and Whip Media have variously had the series as the top-streaming show in the US, in the top five in the US, or in the top ten in Canada. yeah, I think I'd give more factual weight to the data from Nielsen
jvmacross Posted January 12 Posted January 12 55 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Hide contents Remember, our introduction to Jod was him ordering his crew to throw a freighter captain out his own ship's airlock for refusing to open the ship's vault. Ever since he went back to his pirate alias "Captain Silvo", he's proven to have no qualms about murder and threatened to torture the kids parents to death with a lightsaber just to make them be quiet. The last thing we see him do in the penultimate episode is take the kids and their families hostage. Weird?.....Are you watching the same "fantasy space opera"? As I metioned earlier...the last 'adult' force user who threatened children with death...and actually carried it out!....was redeemed, so nothing weird about redemption for mass murderers in a galaxy far, far away....
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Weird?.....Are you watching the same "fantasy space opera"? As I metioned earlier...the last 'adult' force user who threatened children with death...and actually carried it out!....was redeemed, so nothing weird about redemption for mass murderers in a galaxy far, far away.... Pretty much my reason to think he’s gonna probably end up with the usual redemption thing. Ever since he met the kids, he’s been greedy, but not totally bloodthirsty. That werewolf guy was asking for it and I think that’s more of a preemptive strike than anything else.
jvmacross Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Big s said: Pretty much my reason to think he’s gonna probably end up with the usual redemption thing. Ever since he met the kids, he’s been greedy, but not totally bloodthirsty. That werewolf guy was asking for it and I think that’s more of a preemptive strike than anything else. Pirate Wolfie had no chance of survival from the moment he first appeared on screen as the main "bad guy"...he follows a long line of "cool-looking" bad guys that end up dying dumb deaths.....Boba Fett, Captain Phasma, all of the Knights of Ren....LOL.........maybe he'll somehow show up at the last second and kill Evil Jack Sparrow.....maybe he's more cat than dog and has nine lives!
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Boba Fett, Captain Phasma, Well, the first survived and the other got dumped in a hole, so she’s more than likely still alive since holes don’t kill in Star Wars. I can’t really think of a Star Wars character that actually died of hole. Captain Werewolf died by being shot, but then again it was a blaster and not a Silvo bullet
Thom Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, Big s said: Pretty much my reason to think he’s gonna probably end up with the usual redemption thing. Ever since he met the kids, he’s been greedy, but not totally bloodthirsty. That werewolf guy was asking for it and I think that’s more of a preemptive strike than anything else. Reminds of that... Spoiler ...odd moment when he was threatening the kid's parents. I don't know if it was just me, but I felt it was odd the way he was waving the lightsaber around, and he seemed to be making some meaningful eye contact with Fern while doing it. Again, maybe it's just me and it was nothing. A bit of a reach too, I know, seeing as there was no one else there to see it, unless he thought they were being monitored by the same autopilot system taking the ship in. Nevermind. Anyone watching would know he was bluffing then anyway. Move along.😁 We'll find out Tuesday! Edited January 12 by Thom
Seto Kaiba Posted January 12 Posted January 12 42 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Weird?.....Are you watching the same "fantasy space opera"? As I metioned earlier...the last 'adult' force user who threatened children with death...and actually carried it out!....was redeemed, so nothing weird about redemption for mass murderers in a galaxy far, far away.... OK, that's a fair point... though, in his case, redemption equalled death (after an amputation, humiliation, and being barbeque'd alive in his black leather gimp suit) so it's not like he got off lightly or got to stick around. He didn't get a free heel-face turn or any forgiveness for what he did. 🤔 52 minutes ago, jvmacross said: yeah, I think I'd give more factual weight to the data from Nielsen I'll give the most facual weight to what shows up on Disney's quarterly and annual earnings reports WRT LucasFilm and Disney+. It's a bit of a wait, but the best data is first party data. 4 minutes ago, Big s said: Well, the first survived Let's just agree that he died... it's preferable to acknowledging that The Book of Boba Fett exists.
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said: Let's just agree that he died... it's preferable to acknowledging that The Book of Boba Fett exists. I’d like to agree, but then it would change too much and Everyone from Palpatine to Darth Maul would have to have died by hole as well. And to be honest, that wouldn’t be so bad, but it sure does make a mess for Disney Star Wars. I just count everything lately as a separate continuity, like Macross 2 or something
jvmacross Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Big s said: ...but then again it was a blaster and not a Silvo bullet I see what you did there....
Seto Kaiba Posted January 12 Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Big s said: I’d like to agree, but then it would change too much and Everyone from Palpatine to Darth Maul would have to have died by hole as well. And to be honest, that wouldn’t be so bad, but it sure does make a mess for Disney Star Wars. I just count everything lately as a separate continuity, like Macross 2 or something Now, in all fairness, the Star Wars franchise had already developed a profound love of the Disney Villain Death trope long before George sold it to the House of Mouse. The old Expanded Universe had Boba Fett survive his trip down the sarlacc pit and Palpatine treating death like a revolving door. It was already a tired trope when Filoni used it to bring Darth Maul back as half a robot spider in The Clone Wars a year or two before the Disney acquisition. Disney's twist was reducing lightsaber stab wounds from "instantly fatal" to "a booboo requiring a really big band-aid".🤣
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 55 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: The old Expanded Universe had Boba Fett survive his trip down the sarlacc pit and Palpatine treating death like a revolving door. It was already a tired trope when Filoni used it to bring Darth Maul back as half a robot spider in The Clone Wars a year or two before the Disney acquisition. Disney's twist was reducing lightsaber stab wounds from "instantly fatal" to "a booboo requiring a really big band-aid".🤣 I thought Maul was first shown alive in Solo. But I never watched the clone wars cg show. And that really wasn’t that big a bandaid. Just one of the larger ones in the variety pack
Seto Kaiba Posted January 12 Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, Big s said: I thought Maul was first shown alive in Solo. But I never watched the clone wars cg show. Nah, Maul was confirmed (and then shown) to be alive way back in the fourth season of The Clone Wars... about six years before Solo: a Star Wars Story, in an episode that aired ~6 months before Disney acquired LucasFilm. The reason he's a crime lord in the movie also goes back to pre-Disney Filoni material from the show's fifth season. Creator's pets in Star Wars seem to be pretty death-proof. It's why I'm so surprised the crew working on Skeleton Crew have been able to restrain themselves from including f*cking Hondo, who often seemed to be the only space pirate in the galaxy in Filoni's work. (I kinda see why they didn't, though. Hondo's really not an intimidating man, he couldn't pull off what Jod is pulling off.)
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: It's why I'm so surprised the crew working on Skeleton Crew have been able to restrain themselves from including f*cking Hondo It is a kids show, I don’t think they’re allowed to show something like that. Then again they did add Deadpool, so a scene like that shouldn’t be surprising
Dynaman Posted January 12 Posted January 12 16 hours ago, Thom said: It was one kiss! And it didn't mean anything. Honest! At least two actually.
Seto Kaiba Posted January 12 Posted January 12 12 hours ago, Big s said: It is a kids show, I don’t think they’re allowed to show something like that. Then again they did add Deadpool, so a scene like that shouldn’t be surprising 🤣 It's not literal... at his worst in The Clone Wars, Hondo Ohnaka is Disney levels of family friendly as a space pirate. He's just obnoxious and incredibly flamboyant, and he shows up so much during The Clone Wars that one could be forgiven for assuming he was the Galaxy Far Far Away's ONLY space pirate captain. So he's "f*cking Hondo" as if to say "and then there's this *sshole again". He returns in Star Wars: Rebels, having lost his crew and resorted to solo acts of piracy, con artistry, and general scoundreldom. After watching The Clone Wars and Rebels, having a Star Wars story prominently featuring space pirates but with no sign of Hondo feels subtly off, like seeing a photo of a family member but someone's photoshopped out one of their eyebrows or a front tooth.
jvmacross Posted January 12 Posted January 12 48 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: 🤣 After watching The Clone Wars and Rebels, having a Star Wars story prominently featuring space pirates but with no sign of Hondo feels subtly off, like seeing a photo of a family member but someone's photoshopped out one of their eyebrows or a front tooth. LOL....of all the things to complain about...you hone in on the one thing that Hondo's inclusion would have brought up again front and center...which is Star Wars' incessant desire to keep a vast galaxy as small as possible....it's bad enough that we keep seeing the same half dozen aliens in practically every show....sometime in each episode!....yeah....not seeing Hondo in this latest stinker was probably one of the few good decisions about it....
Seto Kaiba Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, jvmacross said: LOL....of all the things to complain about...you hone in on the one thing that Hondo's inclusion would have brought up again front and center...which is Star Wars' incessant desire to keep a vast galaxy as small as possible....it's bad enough that we keep seeing the same half dozen aliens in practically every show....sometime in each episode!....yeah....not seeing Hondo in this latest stinker was probably one of the few good decisions about it.... 🤣 I know, right? As much as I complain about exactly that, Hondo is so intrinsically associated with space pirates in Star Wars that seeing space pirates without him feels wrong somehow. Ironically, Hondo is far too affable and principled to do the kind of things Jod is doing. Before we got cast photos, there was speculation that Jaleel White was hired to play Hondo in live action.
Big s Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) So you thought that 3 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Jaleel White was 4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: "f*cking Hondo" Gotta keep in mind, it’s just a kids show. Edited January 13 by Big s Oops, did I do that?
Thom Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) Have no idea who Hondo is, and it's not bothering me. 9 hours ago, Dynaman said: At least two actually. We don't talk about the second one! It was special... Edited January 13 by Thom
jvmacross Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: 🤣 I know, right? As much as I complain about exactly that, Hondo is so intrinsically associated with space pirates in Star Wars that seeing space pirates without him feels wrong somehow. Ironically, Hondo is far too affable and principled to do the kind of things Jod is doing. Before we got cast photos, there was speculation that Jaleel White was hired to play Hondo in live action. I guess I do not know much about Hondo, personally, I associate him with Smuggler's Run....still I can only assume someone doesn't become a crime boss by being a nice guy...unless you are Boba Fett! I see Hondo as the kind of crime boss that would never get his hands "dirty"....that's what his crew is for......and speaking of Boba, still can't forget his nefarious cyborg space vespa riding crew! Nothing elicits terror or commands respect like cyborgs on shiny space vespas!
Seto Kaiba Posted January 13 Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, jvmacross said: I guess I do not know much about Hondo, personally, I associate him with Smuggler's Run....still I can only assume someone doesn't become a crime boss by being a nice guy...unless you are Boba Fett! I see Hondo as the kind of crime boss that would never get his hands "dirty"....that's what his crew is for... Yeah, that's a pretty accurate read on Hondo. He was a very flamboyant leader who would offer great rewards for crew willing to charge into danger, and was usually the first one to leg it when things went south. He usually bordered on being an ineffective comic relief villain. Compared to Hondo's crew, who were more the "rob you and leave you alive" sort with occasional ransoming of VIPs, Captain Silvo's (or Brutus's) pirates in Skeleton Crew come off feeling shockingly bloodthirsty and violent.
jvmacross Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Compared to Hondo's crew, who were more the "rob you and leave you alive" sort with occasional ransoming of VIPs, Captain Silvo's (or Brutus's) pirates in Skeleton Crew come off feeling shockingly bloodthirsty and violent. You are over-thinking it....most likely the show, in which Hondo's crew features more in, is more or less intended for kids, thus they can'treally get too hard core....ironically, Skellington Crew is supposedly the first SW D+ "kids" show, but somehow featured straight up murder and a whore house in the first few episodes!...let's face it...the only "kids" watching are grown-ass adults........Incidentally, the same "bloodthirsty" bilge rats have managed to get outsmarted by kids from a suburb far, far away for the last 7 episodes....and odds are they will somehow manage to cripple Jod's crew without any assistance from the New Republic's 2 X-Wing Squadron! Edited January 13 by jvmacross
Seto Kaiba Posted January 13 Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, jvmacross said: You are over-thinking it....most likely the show, in which Hondo's crew features more in, is more or less intended for kids, thus they can'treally get too hard core.. The Clone Wars started out reasonably kid-friendly, and despite the fairly consistent level of scenery-chewing ham from the villains it gets surprisingly dark in its later seasons. Kind of a pattern with Filoni's work, really... and for better or worse he seems to have essentially set the tone for the vast majority of new Star Wars development. Skeleton Crew is one of the few titles that ISN'T tying in to his work in some way. That's probably WHY the pirates are a lot more bloodthirsty and cruel than the franchise's usual. 11 minutes ago, jvmacross said: ..ironically, Skellington Crew is supposedly the first SW D+ "kids" show, but somehow featured straight up murder and a whore house in the first few episodes!...let's face it...the only "kids" watching are grown-ass adults........Incidentally, the same "bloodthirsty" bilge rats have managed to get outsmarted by kids from a suburb far, far away for the last 7 episodes....and odds are they will somehow manage to cripple Jod's crew without any assistance from the New Republic's 2 X-Wing Squadron! Not buyin' that argument any more than the last time you tried it. I see way too many Star Wars costumes on the trick-or-treaters every year to believe for one second that the only people watching Star Wars are adults. 😉 My niece and nephews are about the right age to take an interest too, though ours has always been more of a Star Trek family. By in large, the only bloodthirsty bilge rat who's been outsmarted by the kids is Jod... who seems to be ill-prepared to deal with children in general. Possibly a product of him being a padawan who survived Order 66 if the show's incessant is-he-or-isn't-he teasing pans out. I kinda suspect the kids will ultimately trick Jod, and possibly his crew, into destroying themselves.
Big s Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: My niece and nephews are about the right age to take an interest too, though ours has always been more of a Star Trek family. My family is more of a Galaxy Quest one. My daughter burned out a vhs copy of that one pretty quick 5 hours ago, Thom said: Have no idea who Hondo is, and it's not bothering me. Same here. I also don’t know why anyone is 11 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: "f*cking Hondo" Must be that D+ energy
jvmacross Posted January 13 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Not buyin' that argument any more than the last time you tried it. I see way too many Star Wars costumes on the trick-or-treaters every year to believe for one second that the only people watching Star Wars are adults. 😉 My niece and nephews are about the right age to take an interest too, though ours has always been more of a Star Trek family. Wow...your views are based on Halloween costume data? Try harder professor.... I'm pretty sure the majority of those kids you saw were likely wearing OT based costumes or at best Mando or baby Yoda.....I must have passed out over 500 pieces of candy and I could count on one hand the number of kids wearing SW costumes.....so yeah....if basing the argument on whether kids make up any significant portion of SW D+ viewership based on Halloween costumes (LMAO).....I'll go with my "circumstantial" evidence over yours.....
Seto Kaiba Posted January 14 Posted January 14 11 hours ago, pengbuzz said: You mean this guy: Yep! That guy. Thanks to Star Wars: the Clone Wars being the longest Star Wars TV series by an enormous margin and Hondo's status as fan favorite character, he's pretty much THE space pirate in Star Wars. (Search "Star Wars pirate" in Google and five of the first eight image results are him as are almost all the article results.) He seems to have been one of the few pre-Disney fan favorites that Disney willingly ran with rather than replacing, alongside Saw Gerrera, Ahsoka Tano, and Cham Syndulla. In comparison, Jod and his crew seem both a lot more threatening and a lot less competent... but a lot of that is probably just Hondo being from a much less dangerous era and having Creator's Pet level plot armor. 🤣 It'll be interesting to see what they do with Jod in the end. Skeleton Crew's finale is about 24 hours away.
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/12/2025 at 10:27 PM, jvmacross said: .......Incidentally, the same "bloodthirsty" bilge rats have managed to get outsmarted by kids from a suburb far, far away for the last 7 episodes....and odds are they will somehow manage to cripple Jod's crew without any assistance from the New Republic's 2 X-Wing Squadron! Correction...last 8 episodes! ....ok....so I guess there's more than 2 X-wings at the disposal of the New Republic.... It's too bad Wim and the entire population of newly enlightened At-Atians will see the downfall of the New Republic soon enough and rise of the First Order....wonder how many of them will be so disillusioned by their generations of betrayal from the Old Republic that they readily enlist with the First Order?....lol
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, jvmacross said: It's too bad Wim and the entire population of newly enlightened At-Atians will see the downfall of the New Republic soon enough and rise of the First Order Not for years, and that whole First Order episode lasted about a year. So a blip, really.
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: Not for years, and that whole First Order episode lasted about a year. So a blip, really. So you are saying the First Order just materialized out of nowhere and wreaked havoc for the New Republic for just one year?
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, jvmacross said: So you are saying the First Order just materialized out of nowhere and wreaked havoc for the New Republic for just one year? Out of nowhere, no. But they weren't engaged in hostilities with the New Republic until that year. Leia's people were the only ones who took them seriously.
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 The one thing I found interesting was the reveal that the supervisor knew that the Jedi were the enemy....yet was not aware of the New Republic being the successor to the Old Republic?...Why? I guess the Old Republic's AI Supervisor did not have a contingency plan for such a deviation in its protocol that has apparently counted on the Jedi for "generations"? OR.....Did the Empire-Sith-Imperial Remnants-Acolytes on Exegol know and were using it to fund the hidden Fleet on Exegol? They never explained how Old Republic credits were valid during g the New Republic....so who knows....
Duke Togo Posted January 15 Posted January 15 It doesn't matter how they're valid. 🙃 You're thinking too hard about this.
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Duke Togo said: It doesn't matter how they're valid. 🙃 You're thinking too hard about this. Of course it's valid...it's yet another typical SW plothole...
jvmacross Posted January 15 Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, Duke Togo said: Out of nowhere, no. But they weren't engaged in hostilities with the New Republic until that year. Leia's people were the only ones who took them seriously. I'm by no means a SW expert, but a simple Google search shows they had been a "problem" for the New Republic for apparently a decade or more.... Also, I belive they evolved from the Imperial Remnant...so that alone can be used to argue how long they have been a problem for the New Republic....basically since post destruction of Death Star 2....
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