Post Skywalker Saga Star Wars Movies and Projects

[sh9000]

Fan film.

[TangledThorns]

2 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

How much of Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy'a work have you seen?

None, which is part of my point! Plus Sharmeen's resume doesn't look like it'll translate to a positively exciting STAR WARS experience. Getting Patty Jenkins's Rogue Squadron vibes with Sharmeen tbh.

 

 

[Duke Togo]

15 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

None, which is part of my point! Plus Sharmeen's resume doesn't look like it'll translate to a positively exciting STAR WARS experience. Getting Patty Jenkins's Rogue Squadron vibes with Sharmeen tbh.

 

 

Fair point. But I would argue that the one thing Disney Star Wars hasn't suffered from is poor directors. When there's a failure or misfire, it's generally a story/script issue. I'm not overly concerned.

[Chronocidal]

10 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

Highly unlikely, given Lucas's track record. And whatever you think of the stories, the sequels were well casted, acted, and shot, and made very effective use of practical, in-camera effects. We would have gotten none of that with Lucas. They would have been a green-screen, CGI-fest mess.

Probably.. but I think I still would have taken that over what we got.  

For all of their problems, I can still appreciate the story of the prequel movies, independently of watching them.  I can't say anything like that about the sequels.

[TangledThorns]

9 minutes ago, Chronocidal said:

Probably.. but I think I still would have taken that over what we got.  

For all of their problems, I can still appreciate the story of the prequel movies, independently of watching them.  I can't say anything like that about the sequels.

+1

I re-watch the prequels (including Phantom Menace) way more than the sequels.

[Black Valkyrie]

 

 

 

[sh9000]

https://www.regmovies.com/movies/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-40th-anniv

Edited April 18, 2023 by sh9000

[sh9000]

Exclusive look at The Acolyte after the screening of Star Wars Episode I.

[Duke Togo]

20 minutes ago, sh9000 said:

Exclusive look at The Acolyte after the screening of Star Wars Episode I.

No thank you.

[shazam]

2 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

No thank you.

Same here. I had watched The Phantom Menace 4 times in the cinema when it first came out. I have watched TPM multiple times on VHS, DVD, Blue Ray and on D+. I have no intension of watching The Acolyte on D+ and I would walk out of the theatre if the cinema showed The Acolyte ahead of the main feature.

Edited March 24, 2024 by shazam

[jvmacross]

1 hour ago, sh9000 said:

Exclusive look at The Acolyte after the screening of Star Wars Episode I.

The sequels made me enjoy the prequels more....If I have nothing else going on I might go and watch this on the big screen again

[Big s]

4 hours ago, sh9000 said:

Exclusive look at The Acolyte after the screening of Star Wars Episode I.

To be honest, I’m not a fan of the prequels even if they were slightly better than the sequels ended up. Visually they’re hard to watch as well 

[Bolt]

Apparently Dawn Of The Jedi (a forthcoming SW movie ) will be written by Beau Willimon whom had previously written 3 episodes of Andor including the awesome episode "One Way Out".

I didn't know where else to post this..

[Duke Togo]

Nice bit of news

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-wars-ryan-gosling-in-talks-shawn-levys-1236084451/

[TangledThorns]

Don't know where to post this since we have so many Star Wars threads but this is the best Star Wars news since it was purchased by Disney. KK has caused more damage to Star Wars than a Gungan Grand Army led by Jar Jar Binks.

 

Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lucasfilm-boss-kathleen-kennedy-expected-060857427.html

[Duke Togo]

7 hours ago, TangledThorns said:

Don't know where to post this since we have so many Star Wars threads but this is the best Star Wars news since it was purchased by Disney. KK has caused more damage to Star Wars than a Gungan Grand Army led by Jar Jar Binks.

That's stupid.

[jvmacross]

[Big s]

9 hours ago, TangledThorns said:

Don't know where to post this since we have so many Star Wars threads but this is the best Star Wars news since it was purchased by Disney. KK has caused more damage to Star Wars than a Gungan Grand Army led by Jar Jar Binks.

 

Lucasfilm Boss Kathleen Kennedy Expected to Retire This Year

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lucasfilm-boss-kathleen-kennedy-expected-060857427.html

I kinda wonder if it will actually lead to any change. I don’t think she was in charge of the non lucasfilm Disney failures. Disney seems to know how to ruin a franchise no matter who is in charge.

Either way, I do hope they can get their 💩together 

[azrael]

4 hours ago, Big s said:

I kinda wonder if it will actually lead to any change. I don’t think she was in charge of the non lucasfilm Disney failures. Disney seems to know how to ruin a franchise no matter who is in charge.

We don't know. Disney is in a low point with their productions. They haven't had a real knock-it-out-of-the park hit since Avengers: Endgame. They've had hits, but they have not been scoring with home runs for a few years now.

[Seto Kaiba]

9 hours ago, TangledThorns said:

Don't know where to post this since we have so many Star Wars threads but this is the best Star Wars news since it was purchased by Disney. KK has caused more damage to Star Wars than a Gungan Grand Army led by Jar Jar Binks.

Nah.  

Kathleen Kennedy's just a convenient blame figure for the Star Wars fans who buy into culture war BS.  She's the studio president and CEO, FFS.  It's not like she's in charge of development of new Star Wars stories herself.  Even if she were, it's weird how fans only ever want to credit her with the stuff they don't like... as if fan-favorites like The Clone Wars seasons 5-7, Rogue One, Rebels, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Andor weren't all made during her tenure too.  

The blame for Star Wars's struggles under Disney rests farther down the chain of command with promoted fans writing fanfic-tier material and the studio's self-defeating goal of trying to satisfy die-hard fans determined to hate anything it does and appeal to general audiences at the same time.

 

15 minutes ago, Big s said:

I kinda wonder if it will actually lead to any change. I don’t think she was in charge of the non lucasfilm Disney failures. Disney seems to know how to ruin a franchise no matter who is in charge.

Either way, I do hope they can get their 💩together 

It won't change a bloody thing.

Assuming LucasFilm has a relatively normal corporate organization, there are probably at least three and more likely five to seven layers of management between Kennedy's role and anyone doing any actual creative work.  The janitors cleaning the office space are probably more closely involved in the creative workflow than Kennedy or her replacement.

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

Neat.  I'mma go see that for sure. 😁

[kajnrig]

Anakin lookin' like an angry little dwarf.

[davidwhangchoi]

Blame Lucas... then blame JJ, then blame KK,

but dispite the toxic fans, tbh they needed a change of direction.  

[Seto Kaiba]

19 minutes ago, davidwhangchoi said:

Blame Lucas... then blame JJ, then blame KK,

but dispite the toxic fans, tbh they needed a change of direction.  

If the pattern continues, the next blame figure is LL... 

...

... in hindsight, it's a shame Disney bought Marvel and not DC.  The next LucasFilm head would be in real danger of dating Superman.🤪

[kajnrig]

2 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Anakin lookin' like an angry little dwarf.

[TangledThorns]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Nah.  

Kathleen Kennedy's just a convenient blame figure for the Star Wars fans who buy into culture war BS.  She's the studio president and CEO, FFS.  It's not like she's in charge of development of new Star Wars stories herself.  Even if she were, it's weird how fans only ever want to credit her with the stuff they don't like... as if fan-favorites like The Clone Wars seasons 5-7, Rogue One, Rebels, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and Andor weren't all made during her tenure too.  

The blame for Star Wars's struggles under Disney rests farther down the chain of command with promoted fans writing fanfic-tier material and the studio's self-defeating goal of trying to satisfy die-hard fans determined to hate anything it does and appeal to general audiences at the same time.

 

It won't change a bloody thing.

Assuming LucasFilm has a relatively normal corporate organization, there are probably at least three and more likely five to seven layers of management between Kennedy's role and anyone doing any actual creative work.  The janitors cleaning the office space are probably more closely involved in the creative workflow than Kennedy or her replacement.

You're wrong about KK with no evidence mind you. Put on your critical thinking cap and check out this interview of JJ Abrams where he admits KK  pressed him to direct Star Wars. In hindsight it was a bad idea because JJ was deep into Star Trek which was a good first film. Afterward both the new Star Wars trilogy and Star Trek films fell apart, badly. 

 

ABRAMS: I mean, I get it. The worlds are vastly different. Honestly, that was why I passed on Star Wars to begin with. I couldn’t imagine doing both. But when I said that my loyalty was to Star Trek I was literally working on finishing this cut. I couldn’t even entertain another thought. It was like being on the most beautiful beach in the world and someone saying, “There’s this amazing mountain over here. Come take a look.” I couldn’t balance the two, so I passed on Star Wars.

ABRAMS: It was a wild time. I was near the light at the end of the tunnel with my work on Star Trek. I felt I needed a bit of a breather, actually. But then Kathleen Kennedy [the new Lucasfilm head who oversees Star Wars] called again. I’ve known her for years. We had a great conversation, and the idea of working with her on this suddenly went from being theoretical and easy to deny to being a real, tangible, thrilling possibility.

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2013/04/jj-abrams-interview-with-playboy.html

[Seto Kaiba]

9 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

You're wrong about KK with no evidence mind you. Put on your critical thinking cap and check out this interview of JJ Abrams where he admits KK  pressed him to direct Star Wars. In hindsight it was a bad idea because JJ was deep into Star Trek which was a good first film. Afterward both the new Star Wars trilogy and Star Trek films fell apart, badly. 

That's not Kathleen Kennedy "ruining" Star Wars, though.

Kathleen Kennedy aggressively pursued a producer/director/writer with an at-the-time quite respectable CV, a stack of industry awards, and experience writing and directing both sci-fi and action titles.  They were even poaching him from the other big American sci-fi franchise.  From a business perspective, it surely looked like an absolute win.  She hired a top writer-director who then proceeded to fumble the bag by producing a very safe and unremarkable sequel that triggered a panicky attempt to rework the story on the fly to win back fans who were never going to accept the sequel trilogy anyway.

She hired people with good credentials and experience and a fair number of those people just did sh*t work.  

[TangledThorns]

9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's not Kathleen Kennedy "ruining" Star Wars, though.

Kathleen Kennedy aggressively pursued a producer/director/writer with an at-the-time quite respectable CV, a stack of industry awards, and experience writing and directing both sci-fi and action titles.  They were even poaching him from the other big American sci-fi franchise.  From a business perspective, it surely looked like an absolute win.  She hired a top writer-director who then proceeded to fumble the bag by producing a very safe and unremarkable sequel that triggered a panicky attempt to rework the story on the fly to win back fans who were never going to accept the sequel trilogy anyway.

She hired people with good credentials and experience and a fair number of those people just did sh*t work.  

That bold line shows greed won over art which proves it was a dumb decision still. Artists, like anybody else, only have so much bandwidth and expecting JJ Abrams to do both STAR TREK and STAR WARS successfully was just dumb but greedy still. 

Congrats to KK for damaging two classic sci-fi franchises. Either way KK and JJ both got rich off of it. Also, I'm not the only one who knows how bad KK is.

 

 

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, TangledThorns said:

That bold line shows greed won over art which proves it was a dumb decision still. Artists, like anybody else, only have so much bandwidth and expecting JJ Abrams to do both STAR TREK and STAR WARS successfully was just dumb but greedy still. 

Congrats to KK for damaging two classic sci-fi franchises. Either way KK and JJ both got rich off of it. Also, I'm not the only one who knows how bad KK is.

See?  This is a perfect example of Star Wars fans irrational desire to blame Kathleen Kennedy for anything and everything even when it makes no sense at all.

Now Kathleen Kennedy's supposedly to blame for the failure of the Star Trek soft reboot movies... even though Star Trek and Star Trek: Into Darkness were both completed before Abrams left to work on Star Wars.  Both films were financial failures that underperformed at the box office and brought in little in the way of merchandising revenue.  Paramount's attempt to reboot Star Trek was already a commercial failure well before Abrams departed and Star Trek: Beyond simply continued that downward trend by continuing to do all of the same things that already hadn't been working with Abrams in the director's seat.

Kathleen Kennedy owns no part of that failure.  That is ALL Paramount and Bad Robot, and arguably mostly Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci's belief that they needed to make Star Trek "less Star Trek-y" for the movie to be marketable.

[TangledThorns]

10 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

See?  This is a perfect example of Star Wars fans irrational desire to blame Kathleen Kennedy for anything and everything even when it makes no sense at all.

 

I think I'm gonna have draw you a timeline to explain this to you but in the meantime who do believe is responsible for the failures with Star Wars post Disney if not KK?

[Seto Kaiba]

5 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

I think I'm gonna have draw you a timeline to explain this to you but in the meantime who do believe is responsible for the failures with Star Wars post Disney if not KK?

Like I've said previously, LucasFilm's problem is that the studio is bringing in talented people with thoroughly respectable creative credentials as producers, directors, and writers to helm these new Star Wars projects... and a fair few of these people are turning in crap work.  The "why", I assume, varies widely.  Whether it's because they're promoted fans who're too in love with Star Wars to write anything but bad fan fiction, too afraid of being tarred and feathered for "failing" Star Wars to take creative risks, or cynically chasing a proposal that sounded like something fans already like... the work these showrunners and writers and directors with excellent credentials are doing just isn't striking a chord with the target audience.

Kathleen Kennedy is just the LucasFilm CEO and President.  She has probably half a dozen layers of management between her and anyone who's actually making anything like a creative decision.  It's not like she's micromanaging every single thing the company does.  There aren't that many hours in the day.

Let go of the culture war brainrot.

[TangledThorns]

22 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Like I've said previously, LucasFilm's problem is that the studio is bringing in talented people with thoroughly respectable creative credentials as producers, directors, and writers to helm these new Star Wars projects... and a fair few of these people are turning in crap work.  The "why", I assume, varies widely.  Whether it's because they're promoted fans who're too in love with Star Wars to write anything but bad fan fiction, too afraid of being tarred and feathered for "failing" Star Wars to take creative risks, or cynically chasing a proposal that sounded like something fans already like... the work these showrunners and writers and directors with excellent credentials are doing just isn't striking a chord with the target audience.

Kathleen Kennedy is just the LucasFilm CEO and President.  She has probably half a dozen layers of management between her and anyone who's actually making anything like a creative decision.  It's not like she's micromanaging every single thing the company does.  There aren't that many hours in the day.

Let go of the culture war brainrot.

 

Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.

Your post doesn't make sense, maybe that is intentional? Anyways, KK is going away and I'm happy for it.

 

 

 

Edited February 26 by TangledThorns

[Seto Kaiba]

19 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.

I'm an engineer, mate... don't threaten me with a good time. 😜

 

19 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:

Your post doesn't make sense, maybe that is intentional? Anyways, KK is going away and I'm happy for it.

Put simply, the people in charge of developing and producing these shows and movies are the ones responsible when those shows and movies are received poorly.  That seems pretty straightforward, IMO.

Blaming Kathleen Kennedy for all of Star Wars's issues is like blaming the CEO of McDonalds when your local McD's gets your order wrong.  Yeah, the person responsible and the person you're blaming are in the same general organization... but they're almost completely uninvolved with each other on a day-to-day basis.

I'm not saying you can't be happy about it, I'm just saying it doesn't make logical sense and won't actually change anything because Kennedy was never the one making those "bad" creative decisions to begin with.

[TangledThorns]

18 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I'm an engineer, mate... don't threaten me with a good time. 😜

 

Put simply, the people in charge of developing and producing these shows and movies are the ones responsible when those shows and movies are received poorly.  That seems pretty straightforward, IMO.

Blaming Kathleen Kennedy for all of Star Wars's issues is like blaming the CEO of McDonalds when your local McD's gets your order wrong.  Yeah, the person responsible and the person you're blaming are in the same general organization... but they're almost completely uninvolved with each other on a day-to-day basis.

I'm not saying you can't be happy about it, I'm just saying it doesn't make logical sense and won't actually change anything because Kennedy was never the one making those "bad" creative decisions to begin with.

 

You should stick to engineering and not corporate spin 😉

[danth]

Was KK also responsible for how badly the prequels sucked?