Ahsoka - Disney+ series

[Thom]

Having not watched Rebels, et al, I enjoyed watching Ahsoka and looking forward to more in season 2.

[Roy Focker]

13 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That a second season exists is a pretty solid argument that they haven't.

No matter how many fanservice-y callbacks Filoni et. al. throw in, at its core Ahsoka is still a completely unnecessary sequel to Rebels that goes nowhere and adds nothing to the characters or their story.

The show was terrible because Filoni is a fanboy for his own stuff. It was all just fan service for him and the kids who grew up watching the cartoons. Whenever the show had a chance add some real meaningful drama he couldn't go through with it because he was too much of a fan. 

[Duke Togo]

29 minutes ago, Roy Focker said:

The show was terrible because Filoni is a fanboy for his own stuff. It was all just fan service for him and the kids who grew up watching the cartoons. Whenever the show had a chance add some real meaningful drama he couldn't go through with it because he was too much of a fan. 

Filoni's work always comes off as fan fiction. I'm just glad he didn't get his hooks into Andor like he did The Mandalorian.

 

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Roy Focker said:

The show was terrible because Filoni is a fanboy for his own stuff. It was all just fan service for him and the kids who grew up watching the cartoons. Whenever the show had a chance add some real meaningful drama he couldn't go through with it because he was too much of a fan. 

Disney+ Star Wars is pretty problematic in general because it's run by Filoni and staffed by creatives who are mainly fans of Filoni's work on The Clone Wars.

Ahsoka is kind of its logical extreme... a Disney+ original series by Filoni with a story that is composed almost exclusively out of callbacks to previous Filoni Star Wars titles.  The sheer density of the callbacks, in-jokes, and homages is a problem in and of itself but the main problem with the writing is that it's a "The Adventure Continues" story where all of the characters are past the end of their respective story arcs and there's no clear direction in which they can continue to grow and develop.

The story feels thin and directionless because it's not being driven by the development of the characters.  It's just sort of happening in their general vicinity, because it's actually an Excuse Plot meant to set up the return of fan favorite BBEG Grand Admiral Thrawn after he went down like a Scooby-Doo villain at the end of Rebels.🤣

[electric indigo]

 

7 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

Filoni's work always comes off as fan fiction

Let's see if we can crank this up:

 

[TangledThorns]

13 minutes ago, electric indigo said:

 

Let's see if we can crank this up:

 

 

Hmmm...

 

 

[sh9000]

[Thom]

3 hours ago, electric indigo said:

 

Let's see if we can crank this up:

 

 

1 hour ago, sh9000 said:

Two great things, one show!

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, sh9000 said:

Oh boy, a grand final confrontation between two massively overhyped characters... 🤣

On the Republic side, Hera Syndulla... a "tactical genius" who makes surprised Pikachu faces whenever flying directly at the enemy and getting shot down doesn't win the day.  On the Empire side, Grand Admiral Thrawn... a man whose "tactical genius" amounts to little more than not being comically incompetent and delegating the inevitable screwup which lets the Rebels win and escape to a subordinate with more ambition than brains.

[Big s]

5 hours ago, TangledThorns said:

 

Hmmm...

 

 

Thrawn seems like he’s not smart enough for a trap or ruse. He was pretty lame last season 

[Roy Focker]

15 hours ago, sh9000 said:

And this of course makes the situation between the New Republic and the First Order at the start of the Sequels even more stupid. Nobody in the Republic thought the First Order was a real threat. Leia and her private army took it upon themselves to try to stop them. 

The threat of the First Order in the Sequels could only exist if there we no major wars between the original trilogy and the sequels. With 30 years of peace, it makes the New Republic not treating the First Order as a real threat believable. Include a big war with Thrawn and that's no longer believable.

[Thom]

1 hour ago, Roy Focker said:

And this of course makes the situation between the New Republic and the First Order at the start of the Sequels even more stupid. Nobody in the Republic thought the First Order was a real threat. Leia and her private army took it upon themselves to try to stop them. 

The threat of the First Order in the Sequels could only exist if there we no major wars between the original trilogy and the sequels. With 30 years of peace, it makes the New Republic not treating the First Order as a real threat believable. Include a big war with Thrawn and that's no longer believable.

Sshhhhhh!!!! You're interrupting the unintended reboot!!

Edited Monday at 06:50 PM by Thom

[Dynaman]

18 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Grand Admiral Thrawn... a man whose "tactical genius" amounts to little more than not being comically incompetent and delegating the inevitable screwup which lets the Rebels win and escape to a subordinate with more ambition than brains.

That alone puts him far far (far) above the sequel villains.

[Big s]

6 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

That alone puts him far far (far) above the sequel villains.

From what I’ve seen, he wasn’t even at their levels as bad as they were

[Seto Kaiba]

8 hours ago, Roy Focker said:

And this of course makes the situation between the New Republic and the First Order at the start of the Sequels even more stupid. Nobody in the Republic thought the First Order was a real threat. Leia and her private army took it upon themselves to try to stop them. 

The threat of the First Order in the Sequels could only exist if there we no major wars between the original trilogy and the sequels. With 30 years of peace, it makes the New Republic not treating the First Order as a real threat believable. Include a big war with Thrawn and that's no longer believable.

Now, I can see one way out... but it's absolutely guaranteed to piss off the Thrawn glazers in the Star Wars fandom.

Thrawn has to show up to do his very best Anavel Gato impression and then immediately and unceremoniously get his teeth kicked in by the New Republic.

Despite the fans making him out to be a Tactical Genius and the most feared Imperial Admiral, he spends most of his screen time in Rebels catching L's and that doesn't seem to have changed much in Ahsoka.  He just needs to catch an L of such magnitude that Gimlin, son of Gloin, would count it as two.  If the great, feared Grand Admiral Thrawn goes down like an absolute chump (again) then it explains perfectly why the New Republic thought the First Order ain't sh*t until Starkiller Base took their capital and fleet off the map with one shot.

 

4 hours ago, Dynaman said:

That alone puts him far far (far) above the sequel villains.

Honestly?  I disagree.

General Hux might be a dork, and his forces might lose some high-profile engagements... but at the end of the day he's still winning at the strategic level through the entire sequel trilogy up to the point where he changes sides and dies.  There's a good chance the Resistance would've lost if Hux hadn't turned traitor simply because he didn't like his new boss.

Grand Admiral Thrawn, on the other hand, is oversold as this super-cool genius... but what little he makes in minor tactical gains using overwhelming force against Hera's tiny and under-equipped rebel cell is offset by the huge strategic losses he keeps taking.  

Hux might be an utterly unlikeable heel, but Thrawn is the king of the jobbers.

[Big s]

40 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Now, I can see one way out... but it's absolutely guaranteed to piss off the Thrawn glazers in the Star Wars fandom.

Thrawn has to show up to do his very best Anavel Gato impression and then immediately and unceremoniously get his teeth kicked in by the New Republic.

Despite the fans making him out to be a Tactical Genius and the most feared Imperial Admiral, he spends most of his screen time in Rebels catching L's and that doesn't seem to have changed much in Ahsoka.  He just needs to catch an L of such magnitude that Gimlin, son of Gloin, would count it as two.  If the great, feared Grand Admiral Thrawn goes down like an absolute chump (again) then it explains perfectly why the New Republic thought the First Order ain't sh*t until Starkiller Base took their capital and fleet off the map with one shot.

 

Honestly?  I disagree.

General Hux might be a dork, and his forces might lose some high-profile engagements... but at the end of the day he's still winning at the strategic level through the entire sequel trilogy up to the point where he changes sides and dies.  There's a good chance the Resistance would've lost if Hux hadn't turned traitor simply because he didn't like his new boss.

Grand Admiral Thrawn, on the other hand, is oversold as this super-cool genius... but what little he makes in minor tactical gains using overwhelming force against Hera's tiny and under-equipped rebel cell is offset by the huge strategic losses he keeps taking.  

Hux might be an utterly unlikeable heel, but Thrawn is the king of the jobbers.

I can’t really agree with this since according to the movies Hux was a hero all along even though he did nothing to stop global destruction. Basically he doesn’t count as a villain anymore. 
I still think that was a stupid plot twist that feels way too shoehorned in

[Duke Togo]

9 hours ago, Big s said:

I can’t really agree with this since according to the movies Hux was a hero all along even though he did nothing to stop global destruction. Basically he doesn’t count as a villain anymore. 

What are you talking about?

[Big s]

36 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

What are you talking about?

Just that the comment was about villains in the sequel trilogy and hux turned out to be a spy for the good guys due to stupid writing.

[Bolt]

So the Republic will think they've finally dealt with the Empire remnant, once Thrawn is defeated. And fall into a false sense of security..

 

[Duke Togo]

12 minutes ago, Big s said:

Just that the comment was about villains in the sequel trilogy and hux turned out to be a spy for the good guys due to stupid writing.

He turned on Kylo Ren by the third movie. He wasn't a spy or a good guy all along. Typical Imperial/Sith backstabbing.

[Big s]

47 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

He turned on Kylo Ren by the third movie. He wasn't a spy or a good guy all along. Typical Imperial/Sith backstabbing.

I thought they said he’d been their spy for a while. I really don’t feel like rewatching that movie to check though. One watch was more than enough 

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, Big s said:

Just that the comment was about villains in the sequel trilogy and hux turned out to be a spy for the good guys due to stupid writing.

5 hours ago, Big s said:

I thought they said he’d been their spy for a while. I really don’t feel like rewatching that movie to check though. One watch was more than enough 

General Hux wasn't a spy all along.  He started leaking intelligence to the Resistance after the events of The Last Jedi because he hates Kylo Ren and Kylo Ren took over the First Order in The Last Jedi after he assassinated Supreme Leader Snoke.  Like he tells the main characters, he doesn't really care who wins anymore he just needs Kylo Ren to lose.

It's basically a lazy and less interesting version of ISB agent Kallus's defection to the Rebel Alliance that occurred in Rebels around the time work on The Rise of Skywalker started.  He was the rebellion's man on the inside in Thrawn's organization, but unlike Hux his change of heart was more genuine and after being outed he escapes to work for the rebellion full-time.

 

5 hours ago, Bolt said:

So the Republic will think they've finally dealt with the Empire remnant, once Thrawn is defeated. And fall into a false sense of security..

Seems like that's the idea... the great and feared Grand Admiral Thrawn dramatically returns and gets beaten into the ground like a tent peg, affirming the New Republic's existing belief that the remaining Imperials are no real threat.

[Big s]

46 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

General Hux wasn't a spy all along.  He started leaking intelligence to the Resistance after the events of The Last Jedi because he hates Kylo Ren and Kylo Ren took over the First Order in The Last Jedi after he assassinated Supreme Leader Snoke.  Like he tells the main characters, he doesn't really care who wins anymore he just needs Kylo Ren to lose.

That’s more than I care to remember about that horrible movie. I really don’t plan on ever rewatching it. It’s kinda sad because I actually liked the first movie.

[Dynaman]

That is too rich for my blood, Hux being even remotely competent?  Not even close, he was a blithering idiot who only got where he did since Snoke liked lickspittles.  (actually everyone in the sequels is an incredible moron, sadly including the OG characters, that the only adversaries they can defeat are the morons on the other side).