Andor (Star Wars: Andor) - Disney+

[Big s]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's kind of the point, though.

She's taking advantage of two vices freely available at a wedding reception - excessive consumption of alcohol and uninhibited dancing - as a way to dissociate in a public setting so she won't have to immediately deal with the emotional toll from the events of the day.  Her dancing is clearly meant to show that she is emphatically NOT OK... something that other characters are also meant to notice (e.g. Perrin, who clearly notices she's in distress at the end of the episode).

I get the point they were trying to make, but they did it in the worst possible way 

[azrael]

On 4/26/2025 at 4:27 PM, Duke Togo said:

I disagree on Mon Mothma. We're seeing this character on a journey, and I believe in where they're taking her.

I'm going to agree with this.

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It seems like Mon Mothma has finally hit the point where she can no longer avert her eyes from the fact that people are killing, and/or dying, for the cause.

I would say it's more like it finally caught up to her. She tried to avoid crossing into that world but, that world and her's were on a collision course the moment she helped the rebellion movement.

  

5 hours ago, Big s said:

I get the point they were trying to make, but they did it in the worst possible way 

I didn't see it that way. I saw someone screaming in angst that they now would have to kill people, even those they considered friends. At that moment, she's not OK, but that's now a luxury Mon can no longer afford.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, azrael said:

I didn't see it that way. I saw someone screaming in angst that they now would have to kill people, even those they considered friends. At that moment, she's not OK, but that's now a luxury Mon can no longer afford.

I meant including a 90’s rave in Star Wars

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, azrael said:

I would say it's more like it finally caught up to her. She tried to avoid crossing into that world but, that world and her's were on a collision course the moment she helped the rebellion movement.

My read of her character from Andor and other related titles is that it's at least as much other characters like Luthen made a concerted effort to keep her out of that world for their own sanity as much as hers.  She wasn't prepared to deal with the mental or emotional toll of having people kill and die on her orders, and they didn't have the time or energy to be entertaining her protests about every decision and consequence involved in running an armed insurgency.  

We saw a bit of this in season one when Mon was deeply upset at the prospect of a post-Aldhani Imperial crackdown causing widespread suffering, and Luthen having to rather coldly explain that that was a good thing for the cause and run the op without her knowledge or involvement.

For Mon Mothma, Tay Kolma is the moment the war finally came home and became real.

 

1 hour ago, azrael said:

I didn't see it that way. I saw someone screaming in angst that they now would have to kill people, even those they considered friends. At that moment, she's not OK, but that's now a luxury Mon can no longer afford.

Yup.

 

26 minutes ago, Big s said:

I meant including a 90’s rave in Star Wars

It's A Long Time Ago... in a Galaxy Far Far Away.  Musical tastes can be different.

Mind you, it's not a rave either.  It's a bunch of upper class rich folks drunk dancing to popular music at the reception after a three day long stifling traditional wedding ceremony.  

It's not meant to be a coordinated Bollywood musical number.  From what I've read, the song playing at the reception is a remix of the same (presumably popular) song playing on that resort planet Cassian hides out on after Aldhani.

Edited 16 hours ago by Seto Kaiba

[azrael]

This is music from an human-looking but alien species from a long time ago from a galaxy far, far away. 🤷‍♂️

Another subtlety in the dance is Mon wasn't smiling (she was actually emotionless, just lost in the moment) and she was out of sync with the rest of the guests on the dance floor.

[Big s]

6 hours ago, azrael said:

This is music from an human-looking but alien species from a long time ago from a galaxy far, far away. 🤷‍♂️

Another subtlety in the dance is Mon wasn't smiling (she was actually emotionless, just lost in the moment) and she was out of sync with the rest of the guests on the dance floor.

It was a long log time ago in the 70’s, dubstep was was only a long time ago compared to now. It just didn’t fit. Especially when they’re trying to show oddly mixed traditional styles from old school Asian practices and medieval European dance routines and then the rave starts and it just doesn’t work. 
 

Again I get what they wanted to convey with her, just that the rave doesn’t fit at all and just comes off as super cringy. It ends up a terrible scene and kinda screws up the other stuff that’s going on with Andor himself. Basically the one good scene from the first three episodes gets ruined by the Mothma dance scene 

[pengbuzz]

18 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's kind of the point, though.

She's taking advantage of two vices freely available at a wedding reception - excessive consumption of alcohol and uninhibited dancing - as a way to dissociate in a public setting so she won't have to immediately deal with the emotional toll from the events of the day.  Her dancing is clearly meant to show that she is emphatically NOT OK... something that other characters are also meant to notice (e.g. Perrin, who clearly notices she's in distress at the end of the episode).

Mon Mothma having a mon meltdown...

 

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, Big s said:

It was a long log time ago in the 70’s, dubstep was was only a long time ago compared to now. It just didn’t fit. Especially when they’re trying to show oddly mixed traditional styles from old school Asian practices and medieval European dance routines and then the rave starts and it just doesn’t work. 

So, I don't know how it is where you live... but in the Americas, Western Europe, etc. this would not even register as unusual to a lot of people.

All it is, is a traditional wedding ceremony followed by a modern wedding reception.  The pomp and solemn ceremony of centuries-old religious tradition immediately followed by an unrestrained party where the wedding guests get absolutely stinko at the open bar and dance badly to the set list of a DJ with questionable taste.  A fair description of my own younger brother's wedding, TBH.

The scene works just fine.  It's an alien wedding on an alien planet with an alien culture... and even then, the wedding itself is noted to be abnormal because it's driven by the wants of a bridezilla who overcompensates in establishing her own cultural identity while living abroad by fetishizing her people's traditions.

[Big s]

50 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

All it is, is a traditional wedding ceremony followed by a modern wedding reception.

It’s that the traditional part is kind of a blend of things in a way that doesn’t feel off, but the modern part is way too on the nose with our modern that bugs me. I get that they might lighten things up a little, but to use 90’s music is where the problem is. If they had found a way to make it sound somewhat derived from our modern music while still being alien, it might’ve worked, but they just didn’t bother being creative in that way.

Og Star Wars had a way of taking established music styles and giving it a twist that made things feel and sound unique. This was more jarring than Captain Kirk listening to Rage Against the Machine, since at least that was music that actually existed in that setting, just a few hundred years off.

That’s why it throws things off and her dancing just comes off as cringy as well. They easily could’ve found a better way to convey their message both in sound and visually 

[jvmacross]

4 minutes ago, Big s said:

It’s that the traditional part is kind of a blend of things in a way that doesn’t feel off, but the modern part is way too on the nose with our modern that bugs me. I get that they might lighten things up a little, but to use 90’s music is where the problem is. If they had found a way to make it sound somewhat derived from our modern music while still being alien, it might’ve worked, but they just didn’t bother being creative in that way.

Og Star Wars had a way of taking established music styles and giving it a twist that made things feel and sound unique. This was more jarring than Captain Kirk listening to Rage Against the Machine, since at least that was music that actually existed in that setting, just a few hundred years off.

That’s why it throws things off and her dancing just comes off as cringy as well. They easily could’ve found a better way to convey their message both in sound and visually 

Agree....it was very cringe...anytime you see an older person trying to fit in with "the youth"...it comes off as weird...

It also doesn't help that all we knew of Mon was what we have seen in ROTJ, Rogue One,  and Andor S1....based on that, it just seems like something she wouldn't do....she always seemed like a very reserved woman...with that said, the showrunners went for spectacle to portray her breakdown, as they probably figured having her dissappear into some bathroom and cry uncontrollably would have been too cliche....

Anyways....it was not enough to bother me all that much....the first episode of the 3 was the best and got a little worse with ep 2 and 3....but I think now the real action will start.....I hope....

[sh9000]

The music was typical electronic dance music at a celebration.  It didn't sound like Dubstep.  The Dark Troopers scenes in The Mandalorian sounded like Dubstep.

[Seto Kaiba]

12 minutes ago, Big s said:

It’s that the traditional part is kind of a blend of things in a way that doesn’t feel off, but the modern part is way too on the nose with our modern that bugs me. I get that they might lighten things up a little, but to use 90’s music is where the problem is. If they had found a way to make it sound somewhat derived from our modern music while still being alien, it might’ve worked, but they just didn’t bother being creative in that way.

Og Star Wars had a way of taking established music styles and giving it a twist that made things feel and sound unique. This was more jarring than Captain Kirk listening to Rage Against the Machine, since at least that was music that actually existed in that setting, just a few hundred years off.

This is a very odd thing to get hung up on, IMO.

Typically, the only thing alien about the "alien" music in Star Wars is the performers.  The Mos Eisley cantina band is playing swing.  The band at Jabba's palace was playing a very 80's funk piece in the original '83 theatrical cut and was updated to a horn-heavy 90's pop-rock piece in the '97 special edition.  It doesn't strike me as out of place at all that there would be techno/EDM popular music in a setting with so many sentient androids.  It's a big galaxy, I'd assume there's room for a lot of different musical tastes and genres.  They went with a club/rave mix of the song because, hey, they're playing it at a wedding reception for guests to dance to.  (Two other mixes of the same song have showed up back in season one.)

(The only reason Kirk's infatuation with the Beastie Boys in the Abrams Star Trek trilogy seems so odd and out of place is that Star Trek habitually stuck with self-composed and public-domain music for cost reasons, meaning most of the diegetic music in Trek is classical by default.)  

 

12 minutes ago, Big s said:

That’s why it throws things off and her dancing just comes off as cringy as well. They easily could’ve found a better way to convey their message both in sound and visually 

Her drinking and dancing is supposed to be conspicuous and off-putting.  She's so distressed that she's doing something wildly out of character in a sort of silent cry for help.

She can't confide in anyone there besides Luthen without making them Luthen's next target, and Luthen is not exactly a sympathetic ear.

 

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

[...] as they probably figured having her dissappear into some bathroom and cry uncontrollably would have been too cliche....

Either that or they felt it would come off as sexist if she ran off to cry inconsolably.

I'd assume they're probably trying to set something up between her and her husband Perrin, since he clearly notices her out-of-character behavior towards the end of the episode... he might not have noticed if she'd just left the party since he is a party boy.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

(The only reason Kirk's infatuation with the Beastie Boys in the Abrams Star Trek trilogy seems so odd and out of place is that Star Trek habitually stuck with self-composed and public-domain music for cost reasons, meaning most of the diegetic music in Trek is classical by default.)  

 

Sorry, you’re right, it was Beastie Boys. I really only watched that movie once a long long time ago

 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Typically, the only thing alien about the "alien" music in Star Wars is the performers.  The Mos Eisley cantina band is playing swing.  The band at Jabba's palace was playing a very 80's funk piece in the original '83 theatrical cut and was updated to a horn-heavy 90's pop-rock piece in the '97 special edition.  It doesn't strike me as out of place at all that there would be techno/EDM popular music in a setting with so many sentient androids.  It's a big galaxy, I'd assume there's room for a lot of different musical tastes and genres.  They went with a club/rave mix of the song because, hey, they're playing it at a wedding reception for guests to dance to.  (Two other mixes of the same song have showed up back in season one.)

The music in the og was definitely derivative, but not exactly something heard before. They kinda played with the structure a bit to make it seem familiar, yet alien at the same time.

 

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Her drinking and dancing is supposed to be conspicuous and off-putting.

It didn’t seem very conspicuous at all. Everyone including her husband were doing the cringy dance.

 

 

 

At least nobody danced to the scene in Mando

2 hours ago, sh9000 said:

The music was typical electronic dance music at a celebration.  It didn't sound like Dubstep.  The Dark Troopers scenes in The Mandalorian sounded like Dubstep.