Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT - pre-Paramount+ TV Series

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[Mommar]

  On 7/21/2022 at 5:17 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

Ah, I don't recall where I read it, I think it might've been in something associated with the novelverse and its adoption of a lot of unused concepts and story outlines intended for later in the series. 

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I paraphrased his response to the Trekyards guys on their youtube channel.  I don't remember which episode it was to link to.

[JB0]

  On 7/21/2022 at 5:17 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

The only things that really remained primitive was they kept preferring the shuttlepods over the transporter, and force fields never really became a thing.

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Tractor beams never replaced the magnetic grapple.

 

That was one of the things in Enterprise that really bothered me, was they kept doing "hey, NX-01 invented force fields/phasers/red alert/whatever". It got stupid fast.

Edited July 22, 2022 by JB0

[Seto Kaiba]

  On 7/22/2022 at 1:18 AM, JB0 said:

Tractor beams never replaced the magnetic grapple.

 

That was one of the things in Enterprise that really bothered me, was they kept doing "hey, NX-01 invented force fields/phasers/red alert/whatever". It got stupid fast.

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Now, in all fairness, the only thing that the Enterprise crew were established to have actually invented was the early incarnation of red alert.

The rest was implausible feats of mass manufacture, like building two new phase cannon systems from scratch based on an unassembled prototype they had in storage, making a ton of phase pistols, or those quantum beacons that Trip manufactures practically overnight despite the tech being way beyond him.

(It's not quite to Voyager's level, though... where they were seemingly pulling extra photon torpedoes and shuttlecraft out of hammerspace to suit Tuvok's love of torpedoing people and replace shuttles piloted by Commander Crash... er... Commander Chakotay.)

[JB0]

  On 7/22/2022 at 2:24 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

Now, in all fairness, the only thing that the Enterprise crew were established to have actually invented was the early incarnation of red alert.

The rest was implausible feats of mass manufacture, like building two new phase cannon systems from scratch based on an unassembled prototype they had in storage, making a ton of phase pistols, or those quantum beacons that Trip manufactures practically overnight despite the tech being way beyond him.

(It's not quite to Voyager's level, though... where they were seemingly pulling extra photon torpedoes and shuttlecraft out of hammerspace to suit Tuvok's love of torpedoing people and replace shuttles piloted by Commander Crash... er... Commander Chakotay.)

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That's fair. I should say "NX-01 was the first to use phasers/force fields/red alert/whatever".

 

Also, red alert was the dumbest of those and it was the one that wasn't technically wrong.

[sketchley]

  On 7/22/2022 at 2:24 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

(It's not quite to Voyager's level, though... where they were seemingly pulling extra photon torpedoes and shuttlecraft out of hammerspace to suit Tuvok's love of torpedoing people and replace shuttles piloted by Commander Crash... er... Commander Chakotay.)

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Wasn't the 'we crashed a shuttlecraft, again' a running joke?

 

In all seriousness, it was implied (if not downright depicted) that they were replicating components to rebuild lost shuttlecraft.  However, the one thing that hasn't really been addressed (I'm up to season 5 eps. 20 at present), is how they restocked antimatter to fuel such things as warp drives (in shuttlecraft) and photon torpedoes.  If memory serves, that and dilithium crystals aren't things that could be replicated.

[Mog]

They really should have expanded the Year of Hell concept and just put Voyager through a physical beating for an extended period.

. . . Like how BSG did it years later.

[pengbuzz]

  On 7/22/2022 at 7:08 AM, sketchley said:

Wasn't the 'we crashed a shuttlecraft, again' a running joke?

 

In all seriousness, it was implied (if not downright depicted) that they were replicating components to rebuild lost shuttlecraft.  However, the one thing that hasn't really been addressed (I'm up to season 5 eps. 20 at present), is how they restocked antimatter to fuel such things as warp drives (in shuttlecraft) and photon torpedoes.  If memory serves, that and dilithium crystals aren't things that could be replicated.

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Amazon must be amazing in the Delta Quadrant!

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[Seto Kaiba]

  On 7/22/2022 at 7:08 AM, sketchley said:

Wasn't the 'we crashed a shuttlecraft, again' a running joke?

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It was the favorite plot hook for a Chakotay episode... it feels like he crashed more shuttles than all the other crewmembers combined, and he was supposedly an ace pilot.

 

  On 7/22/2022 at 7:08 AM, sketchley said:

In all seriousness, it was implied (if not downright depicted) that they were replicating components to rebuild lost shuttlecraft.  However, the one thing that hasn't really been addressed (I'm up to season 5 eps. 20 at present), is how they restocked antimatter to fuel such things as warp drives (in shuttlecraft) and photon torpedoes.  If memory serves, that and dilithium crystals aren't things that could be replicated.

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As far as things could be replicated, anyway... there are a bunch of materials involved that can't be replicated for plot reasons.

[Mommar]

They also didn't have photon torpedos in the beginning either.  They had some sort of missile system instead.

[Seto Kaiba]

  On 7/22/2022 at 6:18 PM, Mommar said:

They also didn't have photon torpedos in the beginning either.  They had some sort of missile system instead.

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"Spatial torpedoes", nuclear missiles of the type mentioned in "Balance of Terror".

It should be noted that Starfleet having photon torpedoes before the Earth-Romulan war is a bit of a plot hole, since "Balance of Terror" established that the war was fought with nuclear weapons.

Edited July 22, 2022 by Seto Kaiba

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[Seto Kaiba]

The trailers got me rewatching TNG while I unpack after my move... I'd forgotten they closed "Up the Long Ladder" on an appalling joke.

"Send in the clones!", spoken with indecent cheer by the walking Irish stereotype from the Bringloidi colony.

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[derex3592]

Booby Trap is one of my favs! Great episode, the music was great when they find the old ship. 

[Bolt]

I see the greatest ST film is coming...Star Trek 2 The Wrath Of Khan (the directors cut) is playing through Fathom events.  Sep 4,5 & 8..

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Edited July 29, 2022 by Bolt

[Dobber]

I was always confused as to why the poster showed the Enterprise firing on Regula 1. Lol

Chris

[Mog]

^^Was about to ask the same question! 😅

. . . Guess Kirk wanted to hasten an Exodus to get to Genesis.

[Bolt]

Lol. I'm pretty sure the original artist didn't know the plot. Just had the ship models to work with. And it's a good fake out!

[Lolicon]

  On 7/29/2022 at 9:56 PM, derex3592 said:

Booby Trap is one of my favs! Great episode, the music was great when they find the old ship. 

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Agreed. Ron Jones' score really elevated a lot of scenes in those early (mostly awful) days of TNG. His firing from the show stands as one of Rick Berman's worst decisions, which is saying something. 

[sh9000]

  On 7/29/2022 at 10:16 PM, Bolt said:

I see the greatest ST film is coming...Star Trek 2 The Wrath Of Khan (the directors cut) is playing through Fathom events.  Sep 4,5 & 8..

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan-40th-Anniversary-presented-by-TCM?utm_campaign=2022 Fathom Newsletters&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=221156937&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--sCHhU-hug3riH1UEN5qGuNIHSel4l0oLacEJ1vdYFE_gASqx2YvxGDZfgQr6sU2s5qszYeQ2hnPQlUexvHUqI7W1qtw&utm_content=221158540&utm_source=hs_email

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Looking forward to it!

The info was posted here.

 

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[derex3592]

The Offspring is one of only a couple of episodes that gets me right in the feels at the end every single time I watch it...😭

Edited July 31, 2022 by derex3592

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[derex3592]

The imposter Picard leading the drinking song sing along in Ten Forward is totally a great moment. You could tell Patrick Stewart was having fun with this script. 

[Seto Kaiba]

  On 8/1/2022 at 4:03 PM, derex3592 said:

The imposter Picard leading the drinking song sing along in Ten Forward is totally a great moment. You could tell Patrick Stewart was having fun with this script. 

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In a way, it's a shame that TNG never got to do a Mirror Universe episode.

The DS9 cast always had enormous fun with them because they were an excuse to get WAY out of character and really just ham it up massively.

(We got something in the neighborhood in Picard's second season, but because the show is misery porn nobody was able to have any fun with it.)

[sh9000]

 

[derex3592]

"Captain's Holiday" is one of my favs from that season. I just loved every minute of it.  Patrick Stewart pretty much sums up how I am on vacations...LOL! 

[sh9000]

Yeah a lot of good episodes in season 3.

 

Onto season 4.

 

[Tking22]

Completely wrapped up TOS, onto TAS, and I really enjoyed it! It was campy, there was tons of overacting, some really bad episodes, but overall it was a lot of fun, I'm glad I got to watch it all for myself. After TAS I'm onto TNG, then probably DS9, it's been a fun ride so far!

[derex3592]

@TangledThorns That's awesome!  I really need to go back and DO TOS once and for all. 

 

I still remember to this DAY, watching Riker say "Mr. Worf........FIRE" as the cameral zooms in and then the cut to "To Be Continued" comes up and THAT's how the season ended!  THAT was a loooooong summer! Hahaha! One of the BEST TV cliffhangers EVER filmed IMHO. 

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[Seto Kaiba]

  On 8/2/2022 at 5:05 PM, derex3592 said:

I still remember to this DAY, watching Riker say "Mr. Worf........FIRE" as the cameral zooms in and then the cut to "To Be Continued" comes up and THAT's how the season ended!  THAT was a loooooong summer! Hahaha! One of the BEST TV cliffhangers EVER filmed IMHO. 

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I remember a convention appearance where Patrick Stewart related a story about driving along and having someone pull alongside him and yell that he'd ruined their summer because of that cliffhanger. XD