JB0 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 This. That is exactly what I see when I look at Bayformer movie ads. And frankly, it looks silly.Totally agreed. Its like when people talk trash on the TOS Enterprise and say JJprise looks more realistic... uhm, no. You don't design something like that to look "sexy". You design for its purpose. Practicality.That's funny, because the original Enterprise wasn't really designed for practicality either. It was designed to look good, and to not be a rocketship or flying saucer. Practically speaking, the warp nacelle booms and the saucer neck are glaring weakpoints, and are going to see some wild stresses from constant multi-c accelerations. (I can't even begin to imagine what sort of construction keeps the warp nacelles from ripping free of their toothpick-like moorings every time they turn them on) You want practical and "realistic", you fast-forward a few decades/centuries to Deep Space Nine and get down with the Defiant. It doesn't look graceful, sleek, or particularly "Trek-like", but... it's a solid, practical design with no glaring structural weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereal9thdoctor Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Totally agreed. That's funny, because the original Enterprise wasn't really designed for practicality either. It was designed to look good, and to not be a rocketship or flying saucer. Practically speaking, the warp nacelle booms and the saucer neck are glaring weakpoints, and are going to see some wild stresses from constant multi-c accelerations. (I can't even begin to imagine what sort of construction keeps the warp nacelles from ripping free of their toothpick-like moorings every time they turn them on) You want practical and "realistic", you fast-forward a few decades/centuries to Deep Space Nine and get down with the Defiant. It doesn't look graceful, sleek, or particularly "Trek-like", but... it's a solid, practical design with no glaring structural weaknesses. The Enterprise design isn't practical, but it was designed to look practical. Matt Jefferies actually did a pretty realistic first stab, with a small command section attached to a boom that connected to an engine pod with a spinning gravity generator/warp engine, but Roddenberry wanted something that while feeling realistic was more visually distinct. So in using the Enterprise example I should have clarified: the basic design may not be realistic but HOW it was detailed, painted ect. Was intended to look realistic and practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm no expert on Star Trek, but I think I remember an interview regarding the warp nacelle needed to be almost separate from the ship because they were warping space around them and not the ship. That explanation made sense to me at the time, but not as much now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereal9thdoctor Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm no expert on Star Trek, but I think I remember an interview regarding the warp nacelle needed to be almost separate from the ship because they were warping space around them and not the ship. That explanation made sense to me at the time, but not as much now. That is correct. But its also just a justification for the design. But again, it gives it that feel of being believable. Like the original intent of the VF-1 transforming into a robot is to be a ground unit to go toe to toe with a Zentraedi. It doesn't TOTALLY work(why not just have a dedicated humanoid robot for that?) But it gives a plausibility to it. And the more practical design of the VF-1 makes it much easier for me, at least, to suspend my disbelief at giant mecha stomping about. Like I look at the Macross Quarter, and the first thing I said to my friend Jon(also a big Macross fan) was, "why does it need actual hands? And why does it have a shield made outta the carrier deck? Why do its legs move? It's never gonna be able to walk planetside!" The SDF-1 is equally absurd but they made it a "not" robot. It has the look of a robot, but other than moving its arms it never acts like a robot, and is treated as a ship regardless of appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Macross Quarter needed all that articulation so it could surf giant asteroids... obviously. Must let go of hatred of Frontier movies.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 The Enterprise design isn't practical, but it was designed to look practical. Matt Jefferies actually did a pretty realistic first stab, with a small command section attached to a boom that connected to an engine pod with a spinning gravity generator/warp engine, but Roddenberry wanted something that while feeling realistic was more visually distinct. So in using the Enterprise example I should have clarified: the basic design may not be realistic but HOW it was detailed, painted ect. Was intended to look realistic and practical. Fair enough, I concede the point. Like I look at the Macross Quarter, and the first thing I said to my friend Jon(also a big Macross fan) was, "why does it need actual hands? And why does it have a shield made outta the carrier deck? Why do its legs move? It's never gonna be able to walk planetside!" The SDF-1 is equally absurd but they made it a "not" robot. It has the look of a robot, but other than moving its arms it never acts like a robot, and is treated as a ship regardless of appearance. Macross Quarter needed hands and legs so they could claim feature parity with the New Macross series. I believe the expression is "Seven did it"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereal9thdoctor Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Fair enough, I concede the point. Macross Quarter needed hands and legs so they could claim feature parity with the New Macross series. I believe the expression is "Seven did it"? Heh. I am really not up to speed on these newer shows. Macross II AND Plus are the most recent iterations I have seen. And the only one that catches my interest is Zero. Macross Quarter needed all that articulation so it could surf giant asteroids... obviously. Must let go of hatred of Frontier movies.... Well... that's a thing. Glad I've NOT seen it then 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryHolmes Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 No, no, no. Let the hatred FLOW through you! *evil cackle* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Remember folks...the BEST is yet to come. What an f'n joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 That's a remarkably crowded panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 They didn't even want the front row seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Thanks for making my Monday even more depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Where was this at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 When was that taken? Is that legit from the actual presentation or taken before it started? Because if that's the real turnout...wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 So what was their big announcement this time? That they have yet another big announcement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) Where was this at? It looks like it may say Otaku Con. Or perhaps Otakon Edited May 9, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 When no one clearly gives a Frak anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 That's a remarkably crowded panel. i say that's an inaccurate picture of who's there... almost half of the audience is cut off from the picture on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 So was this before or after? And it would help if we had a wider shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Where was this at? NJ Anime Fan Fest from May 6-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 i say that's an inaccurate picture of who's there... almost half of the audience is cut off from the picture on the left. I see what you did there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Even the presentation image on the screen displays a seriously low care factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 NJ Anime Fan Fest from May 6-8. I remember seeing the banner for this on the ANN website. A selling point was (still) celebrating the 30th anniversary 31 years after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 They should stop listing the panel as "Free root canals" in the itinerary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Anyway, still betting on DC and Zack Snyder screwing James Wan's career before Robotech does. http://batman-news.com/2016/05/01/james-wan-aquaman-rumors/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefuemon Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Different angle shot, taken from here. So was this before or after? And it would help if we had a wider shot. During Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akt_m Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) :lol: :lol: Edited May 10, 2016 by akt_m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 What if they were Harmony Gold employees and not actual RT fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 What if they were Harmony Gold employees and not actual RT fans? People waiting for the next panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Different angle shot, taken from here. Ch9GVmRUgAAKXHE.jpg During still an inaccurate picture. about half the shoulder is cut out of the picture in the back. that's 30% of the audience not pictured right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyD Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 ROBOTECH INDUSTRY PANEL: Tommy Yune of Harmony Gold USA presents the latest developments in the Robotech universe, from awesome new products to the live action film indevelopment at Sony Pictures. Jonathan Brands also joins in to reflect on the development of Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles, which debuted 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Different angle shot, taken from here. Ch9GVmRUgAAKXHE.jpg During God, how is Robotech still alive???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 that's actually legitimately sad. I honestly feel bad for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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