Darth_Tater69 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Weirdly enough it seems to be a different piece of plastic from the actual forearm... I'd think that if it was just static detail it would be a part of the forearm mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Generally, 8-12 weeks after release. Sometimes it's quicker, sometimes later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Darth_Tater69 said: Any clue when BBTS is getting their shipment? And for that matter, other US retailers? Most of them that I've seen say Q2 2024 or June 2024 but June's coming close to ending Q2 will probably be end of June, but they’re dealing with boat shipping, so it could be a couple months. So basically anytime between now and September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Damn, is there anywhere else I could order that would be quicker? I'd be willing to pay an extra 20 bucks or so on shipping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Darth_Tater69 said: Damn, is there anywhere else I could order that would be quicker? I'd be willing to pay an extra 20 bucks or so on shipping Keep checking the threezero site....I have seen it relisted a few times sine it's original release date....I ordered one on june 16th and it just arrived at the DHL facility in NYC....so hopefully I will get it delivered this week...if it is as good as all the videos seems to say, I will place the PO for the VF-1S straight from the threezero site... Edited June 25 by jvmacross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26662 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chronocidal said: Not when the upper surface of the wings have spoilers that only exist on the top side by design. Hasegawa went ham and just copy-pasted most of the panel lines of an F-14's wing, but Yamato/Arcadia and Bandai both changed the spoilers into a blank panel on the underside of the wings. Unfortunately, the panel lining just makes it stick out more than it would otherwise. What? I don’t follow. For context: I am in pharma and fly 2-10 times a week. The little, individual flaps along a wing’s trailing edge swivel up and down, so the dorsal panel lines have to match perfectly with the ventral panel lines. I’m missing something. Edited June 25 by 26662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Is there something in the instruction that has the missiles backwards? 3 videos now, all backwards The first was ok its a mistake 2nd was ok, weird I was actively looking for it on the 3rd and was not disappointed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 30 minutes ago, 26662 said: What? I don’t follow. For context: I am in pharma and fly 2-10 times a week. The little, individual flaps along a wing’s trailing edge swivel up and down, so the dorsal panel lines have to match perfectly with the ventral panel lines. I’m missing something. You're thinking of the trailing edge flaps, which are primarily things that only fold down, not up, unlike the toys with moving surfaces that just use simple one-piece flaps that go up and down, and aren't really accurate to anything. A lot of the details on the VF-1 were based off of the F-14's wing design, which uses spoilers on the upper surface to control roll at low speeds. I think a fair number of airliners use them as well. They're just pop-up panels on the upper surface of the wing used for control and air-braking on the ground. Those panels shouldn't exist on the underside of the wing, and the proportions on both top and bottom are all out of whack anyhow. They're pretty much just a minimum effort attempt at panel lines, which is sadly all you can really expect from any manufacturer that doesn't specifically focus on detailed aircraft replicas. If you want a good example of how they should look, check out these posts. detailing the process of customizing an old Jetfire to have all of the proper control surfaces. Edited June 25 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 23 minutes ago, Shawn said: Is there something in the instruction that has the missiles backwards? 3 videos now, all backwards The first was ok its a mistake 2nd was ok, weird I was actively looking for it on the 3rd and was not disappointed! It's not exactly obvious which way is forward if you don't already know. I'd imagine one dude did it wrong first and now these subsequent video reviewers are using that as a reference. Also 100% possible it's a screw up in the manual like you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 To be entirely fair, they did make the nozzles a bit more tapered than you usually see. It's not really hard to think of them as nosecones, especially if they aren't hollow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Yeah its odd TZ made those elbow joints the way they did. Usually these types of joints are seen in lower priced action figures, so it's quite the eyesore here. It's like they pulled a Bandai lol. Nevertheless, considering so many other stuff that could go wrong for a first attempt its forgivable. I don't have it in hand but from videos we can say it's already the KC-killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26662 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 10 hours ago, Chronocidal said: You're thinking of the trailing edge flaps, which are primarily things that only fold down, not up, unlike the toys with moving surfaces that just use simple one-piece flaps that go up and down, and aren't really accurate to anything. A lot of the details on the VF-1 were based off of the F-14's wing design, which uses spoilers on the upper surface to control roll at low speeds. I think a fair number of airliners use them as well. They're just pop-up panels on the upper surface of the wing used for control and air-braking on the ground. Those panels shouldn't exist on the underside of the wing, and the proportions on both top and bottom are all out of whack anyhow. They're pretty much just a minimum effort attempt at panel lines, which is sadly all you can really expect from any manufacturer that doesn't specifically focus on detailed aircraft replicas. If you want a good example of how they should look, check out these posts. detailing the process of customizing an old Jetfire to have all of the proper control surfaces. "trailing edge flaps, which are primarily things that only fold down, not up, " Not exactly, but I understand your point. If the edge flaps fold down, then they have to fold back up to return to their "resting" position. So they do pivot down and up, and those panel lines need to be consistent across both the dorsal and ventral surfaces. But again, I understand your point. Well made. The green-colored area, however, doesn't necessarily have to be different across a wing's dorsal and ventral surfaces. It's just that they typically are "in the real world" due to, I'm figuring, efficiency of design and cost. In the Macross world, Imma be generous and give them a pass on this one. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, MKT said: Yeah its odd TZ made those elbow joints the way they did. Usually these types of joints are seen in lower priced action figures, so it's quite the eyesore here. It's like they pulled a Bandai lol. Nevertheless, considering so many other stuff that could go wrong for a first attempt its forgivable. I don't have it in hand but from videos we can say it's already the KC-killer. I don’t think Bandai has even made joints that ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Comparison with a Yamato v2. Pic by William Wong on FB: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 The three zero VF-1 is definitely beefier than the Yamato-Arcadia... Guessing it's going to make the KC look anorexic... Looks pretty much at same scale in Battroid.....want to see how the size differs in Gerwalk and Fighter...plus it would help if the poses were identical.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, 26662 said: The green-colored area, however, doesn't necessarily have to be different across a wing's dorsal and ventral surfaces. It's just that they typically are "in the real world" due to, I'm figuring, efficiency of design and cost. In the Macross world, Imma be generous and give them a pass on this one. 🙂 What I'm saying is that the green colored area and red colored area should be different, because they're designed that way on purpose on actual aircraft. What they did was duplicate control surface panel lines from the top of the wing that should not exist on the underside of the wing. If this was a car, the equivalent would be if they drew the outlines of a sun roof on the underside of the car. It has no reason to be there. All it really amounts to is laziness on the part of the CAD artists responsible for designing the molds, since they just copy-pasted the panel details to both sides of the wings. Anyhow, not sure if I can justify picking up any of these. Looks like the baby of a Yamato and a Bandai DX. Not really bad at all, but I don't need more VF-1s in that same scale that don't really offer anything new that I like better than what already exists. Can't deny the battroid is more imposing, but I'm not a huge fan of panel lining and black landing gear. The nosecone joint seems to always be off-center too, and those elbows hurt to look at. Also.. speaking of the elbows, just browsing back, I see this.. Seriously, what is even happening with these elbows? Did they accidentally glue the first joint in place, and no one can move it? Edit: Actually, one fun question, do the wings on this one ratchet? Not that I'm going to pick one up just because of that, but it is definitely something I'd like to see. Edited June 25 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, MKT said: Comparison with a Yamato v2. Pic by William Wong on FB: Idk if this is controversial or not but I really like how much beefier the threezero is. It looks more like how I remember the VF-1 looking in the show. I know in modern appearances and from a mechanical design standpoint, the Yamato and company are more accurate/realistic but there's a certain personality to the cartoony proportions of the threezero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Also, does anybody have a comparison shot of the threezero next to the kitzconcept or is capable of taking one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Chronocidal said: What I'm saying is that the green colored area and red colored area should be different, because they're designed that way on purpose on actual aircraft. What they did was duplicate control surface panel lines from the top of the wing that should not exist on the underside of the wing. If this was a car, the equivalent would be if they drew the outlines of a sun roof on the underside of the car. It has no reason to be there. All it really amounts to is laziness on the part of the CAD artists responsible for designing the molds, since they just copy-pasted the panel details to both sides of the wings. Anyhow, not sure if I can justify picking up any of these. Looks like the baby of a Yamato and a Bandai DX. Not really bad at all, but I don't need more VF-1s in that same scale that don't really offer anything new that I like better than what already exists. Can't deny the battroid is more imposing, but I'm not a huge fan of panel lining and black landing gear. The nosecone joint seems to always be off-center too, and those elbows hurt to look at. Also.. speaking of the elbows, just browsing back, I see this.. Seriously, what is even happening with these elbows? Did they accidentally glue the first joint in place, and no one can move it? Edit: Actually, one fun question, do the wings on this one ratchet? Not that I'm going to pick one up just because of that, but it is definitely something I'd like to see. Looks like it is a triple joint. Maybe the tolerances are so tight that nobody who owns one has notice it can move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 59 minutes ago, Darth_Tater69 said: Also, does anybody have a comparison shot of the threezero next to the kitzconcept or is capable of taking one? Yeah...I have been waiting for that comparison too... But this should give you an idea.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Yeah...I have been waiting for that comparison too... But this should give you an idea.... I take it that's a hi metal r next to a kitzconcept next to an Arcadia 1/60 next to a dx chogokin 1/48? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Darth_Tater69 said: I take it that's a hi metal r next to a kitzconcept next to an Arcadia 1/60 next to a dx chogokin 1/48? Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazam Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 18 hours ago, Shawn said: Is there something in the instruction that has the missiles backwards? 3 videos now, all backwards The first was ok its a mistake 2nd was ok, weird I was actively looking for it on the 3rd and was not disappointed! This is how the Mandela effect starts. Edited June 25 by shazam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) I'm totally going to put them on backwards when I get this toy and shoot my review. Edited June 25 by jenius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n5t3r Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, MKT said: Comparison with a Yamato v2. Pic by William Wong on FB: Looks like Hikaru, erm Rick, just came from the weight room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Imagine what it will look like with the obligatory GBP Armor set installed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I hope threezero does drop accessory packs for both the GBP and super parts. If they make me buy a whole new figure just for them I'll lose my marbles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26662 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 hours ago, Chronocidal said: What I'm saying is that the green colored area and red colored area should be different, because they're designed that way on purpose on actual aircraft. What they did was duplicate control surface panel lines from the top of the wing that should not exist on the underside of the wing. If this was a car, the equivalent would be if they drew the outlines of a sun roof on the underside of the car. It has no reason to be there. All it really amounts to is laziness on the part of the CAD artists responsible for designing the molds, since they just copy-pasted the panel details to both sides of the wings. Anyhow, not sure if I can justify picking up any of these. Looks like the baby of a Yamato and a Bandai DX. Not really bad at all, but I don't need more VF-1s in that same scale that don't really offer anything new that I like better than what already exists. Can't deny the battroid is more imposing, but I'm not a huge fan of panel lining and black landing gear. The nosecone joint seems to always be off-center too, and those elbows hurt to look at. Also.. speaking of the elbows, just browsing back, I see this.. Seriously, what is even happening with these elbows? Did they accidentally glue the first joint in place, and no one can move it? Edit: Actually, one fun question, do the wings on this one ratchet? Not that I'm going to pick one up just because of that, but it is definitely something I'd like to see. Unfortunately, wings don’t ratchet or have a detent. At least not on any of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKT Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 10 hours ago, Chronocidal said: Also.. speaking of the elbows, just browsing back, I see this.. Seriously, what is even happening with these elbows? Did they accidentally glue the first joint in place, and no one can move it? Nice catch.. Now when I look back at the VF-1J pics by TZ, all of them shows that thick, lower elbow forearm joint being movable. Which meant, TZ really made it triple-jointed at that time lol. A few more showing the same joint: Spoiler Then I look at the more recent pics of the VF-1S TZ put out, that joint seems to have been disabled. Perhaps they decided to glue it after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 34 minutes ago, MKT said: Nice catch.. Now when I look back at the VF-1J pics by TZ, all of them shows that thick, lower elbow forearm joint being movable. Which meant, TZ really made it triple-jointed at that time lol. A few more showing the same joint: Reveal hidden contents Then I look at the more recent pics of the VF-1S TZ put out, that joint seems to have been disabled. Perhaps they decided to glue it after all. God I hope they didn't glue that triple joint, if makes a big difference in how the upper arms look to me. Seems much cheaper without the lower part activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Yeah, I'm genuinely baffled by the change, and actually caved to curiosity and ordered one at BBTS just to experiment with it. I really just wonder if the joint is just tight enough that most people don't realize it can move, or if they actually disabled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Tater69 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 https://showzstore.com/threezero-robotech-robo-dou-vf-1-j-veritech-rick-hunter_p5401.html It's now instock at show.z store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) The Three Zero VF-1J I happened to see available on their site on June 16th finally arrived.... I will post pics then give some observations..... The packaging - Box size comparisons.... ...to Kitz Concept 1/72 VF-1.... ...to Bandai DX VF-1.... ...to Yamato 1/60 VF-1... ...to Takatoku 1/55 VF-1.... Packaging and contents.... A Macross toy with a warranty....has to be a scam! Valk in a bag! Comps with Kitz Concept 1/72 VF-1... Comps with Yamato 1/60 VF-1... VF-1 at various scales.... Edited June 29 by jvmacross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Three Zero VF-1J 'Hikaru' Battroid..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Three Zero VF-1J 'Hikaru' transformation to Gerwalk..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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