Mospeada

[DarrinG]

Has the displeasure of handling a Toynami Beta again last night. Had been a while since I had taken one of mine out and tried to do anything with it.

Other than the chest, shoulders and arms -- this product is a fail.

MUST- HAVES:

• Locking mechanism for hips so they do not slide ( out, and in-and-out! ) constantly to their extended position

• Hip joints themselves are too floppy - so the combo of the floppy and the sliding (jokes inserted here) is horrible - just terrible - worst part of this toy

• Simple knee twist please - so that a proper a-stance can be achieved. Is that so hard? A twisting joint??

• Feet / toes need a twisting joint as well, so when a-stance is achieved they can be turned to touch the ground better

• The whole waist area SUCKS - its totally loose and needs a LOCKING pin or click to hold it in place in soldier mode - then unlock to change to bomber - second worst thing about it

• The cockpit joint BLOWS - does not stay up at all in bomber mode - I took the cockpit off last night to discover what Toynami thought would be a good hinge for that - : ( nice engineering there

• Chest cover that STORES RIGHT BEHIND the HUGE cockpit GAP in bomber mode - this would have locked the cockpit firmly in place in bomber, then when switching to soldier that piece goes over those big ugly fried egg eyes

AND this is all with a Beta that has been opened, transformed a few times and displayed - ZERO actual play or wear

The arms are pretty awesome though -- sheesh -- wish this could have been carried through the whole piece . . .

[EXO]

I'm just swearing off ALL TOYNAMI products unless it's a repackage like the Beagle Mospeada. The Beta and the Golion Voltron were toys I considered safe. My Voltron is crumbling though. Parts shear off just by touching it. The Beta I got rid of due to not having a decent Alpha to pair it with. Sold it it LSB for retail. But I also hated the 80s aesthetics... it's clearly bitten off the Lansay Tlead and the lack of articulation as you mentioned makes it feel so outdated. It's a sad day when you actually start to prefer resin's quality to actual plastic toys.

[Mechapilot77]

Has the displeasure of handling a Toynami Beta again last night. Had been a while since I had taken one of mine out and tried to do anything with it.

Other than the chest, shoulders and arms -- this product is a fail.

MUST- HAVES:

• Locking mechanism for hips so they do not slide ( out, and in-and-out! ) constantly to their extended position

• Hip joints themselves are too floppy - so the combo of the floppy and the sliding (jokes inserted here) is horrible - just terrible - worst part of this toy

• Simple knee twist please - so that a proper a-stance can be achieved. Is that so hard? A twisting joint??

• Feet / toes need a twisting joint as well, so when a-stance is achieved they can be turned to touch the ground better

• The whole waist area SUCKS - its totally loose and needs a LOCKING pin or click to hold it in place in soldier mode - then unlock to change to bomber - second worst thing about it

• The cockpit joint BLOWS - does not stay up at all in bomber mode - I took the cockpit off last night to discover what Toynami thought would be a good hinge for that - : ( nice engineering there

• Chest cover that STORES RIGHT BEHIND the HUGE cockpit GAP in bomber mode - this would have locked the cockpit firmly in place in bomber, then when switching to soldier that piece goes over those big ugly fried egg eyes

AND this is all with a Beta that has been opened, transformed a few times and displayed - ZERO actual play or wear

The arms are pretty awesome though -- sheesh -- wish this could have been carried through the whole piece . . .

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seriously? i have a red beta from around a few months after the release date. going by memory, all the joints are tight as good. nice and clicky etc.

[DarrinG]

Seriously. Thing is a floppy mess waist down.

Maybe there is a lock or something I am missing when you reconfigure the waist area around for soldier mode.

And the hips extending in and out ? Or fix for that ?

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

any place to get a beagle decent price? i want one so bad

Edited April 29, 2014 by davidwhangchoi

[Mog]

I know it's got its flaws, but I'm still quite happy with the Big Burly Beta. Yeah, the hips easily slide outward. Yes, it's a bit gappy in solo bomber mode. And I would have loved for them to have added the pop-out shoulder missiles.

But it's got ratchet joints galore. It's got a decent A-stance in battloid mode. And it's a fun piece to pose.

If we're talking about a wider, splayed out A-stance in gerwalk mode, I could understand the benefit of having twisting knee joints.

But as is, it's got a decent enough amount of articulation to get some fun poses out of it.

And. . . . dogs are far superior to cats.

[derex3592]

I still love looking at all 3 of my Betas. It still amazes me I finally got a descent transformable toy of this mecha. Doubt we will ever see another version. Glad I hunted down all them years ago when the were cheap!

[DarrinG]

I still like my Betas too - if they just sit there and I do not touch them . . .

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

i finally found a beagle. i hope it doesn't get cancelled.

[jenius]

Now that Aoshima and CMs both took a stab at making a Beta, I really think another company could make an excellent Beta toy and learn from what they did. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we've seen our last Beta toy... ever. I'm still pissed at CMs. They were probably the only toy company that knew they were going to make the Tread from the get-go and they did NOTHING to make it compatible with the Legioss toy they were building simultaneously. Seriously.. if ever a Legioss/Tread toy should have had the greatest linking mechanism ever that was it... and they made it have the worst linking mechanism ever. WTF?

[Twoducks]

Now that Aoshima and CMs both took a stab at making a Beta, I really think another company could make an excellent Beta toy and learn from what they did. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we've seen our last Beta toy... ever. I'm still pissed at CMs. They were probably the only toy company that knew they were going to make the Tread from the get-go and they did NOTHING to make it compatible with the Legioss toy they were building simultaneously. Seriously.. if ever a Legioss/Tread toy should have had the greatest linking mechanism ever that was it... and they made it have the worst linking mechanism ever. WTF?

Fully agree here. Their Legioss-Tread could have been perfect but they just left it half way. No locking ANYWHERE, weird leg joints and the most half assed connection you could imagine. Considering their slacking, CM's lasted more than it deserved.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

my beagle is coming. i will be able to join the party late.

the anime says Tlead when Stick/Jim is reading the operation manual but that's a typo correct? anyways, all these recent projects are pretty cool.

Edited May 12, 2014 by davidwhangchoi

[VF5SS]

Old notes for the show (like the IMAI files) said TLEAD is suppose to stand for something like "Transport Legioss Escort Armored Deadnaught" because that's what it is in a way.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

Old notes for the show (like the IMAI files) said TLEAD is suppose to stand for something like "Transport Legioss Escort Armored Deadnaught" because that's what it is in a way.

Thanks, so Tread was a later official correction adapted by toy companies?

[akim]

Thanks, so Tread was a later official correction adapted by toy companies?

Old notes for the show (like the IMAI files) said TLEAD is suppose to stand for something like "Transport Legioss Escort Armored Deadnaught" because that's what it is in a way.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=24692&page=14#entry831804

[Mechapilot77]

Now that Aoshima and CMs both took a stab at making a Beta, I really think another company could make an excellent Beta toy and learn from what they did. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we've seen our last Beta toy... ever. I'm still pissed at CMs. They were probably the only toy company that knew they were going to make the Tread from the get-go and they did NOTHING to make it compatible with the Legioss toy they were building simultaneously. Seriously.. if ever a Legioss/Tread toy should have had the greatest linking mechanism ever that was it... and they made it have the worst linking mechanism ever. WTF?

totally agree. personally i wish somoene would do them over as well..and make em bigger. the legioss in current scale of 1/55-1/48 (depending hwo you believe) is TINY. i don't think we need something like the original gakken in size but something like the 1/60 valks in size (i'm not sure what scale that puts them at...somehwere in the mid to upper 30s i guess) would be great. the beta/tlead wouldn't be THAT huge either. i wish we had 3P anime toys like TF fans do..unfortunately i doubt there is much of a mospeada or robotech following in china/SE asia.

[RD Blade]

the legioss in current scale of 1/55-1/48 (depending hwo you believe) is TINY. i don't think we need something like the original gakken in size but something like the 1/60 valks in size (i'm not sure what scale that puts them at...somehwere in the mid to upper 30s i guess)

I believe the old Gakken is 1/35. Nice hefty size, but still a bit smaller than a 1/60 Valk.

Edited May 14, 2014 by RD Blade

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

i got my beagle today. but it was missing the adapter piece to mound the gun on Stick's bike... i wrote to mandrake but we'll see what they'll do,,,

is there a custom made of it somewhere?

[Mechapilot77]

I believe the old Gakken is 1/35. Nice hefty size, but still a bit smaller than a 1/60 Valk.

wait, no...the gakken is smaller than a 1/60 valk? maybe the larger valks lik ean sv-51 but not the 1/60 vf-1 (that i meant but i guess dien't specify) from waht i remember. i have an old gakken somewhere at my parents place and i can't imagine it's smaller than a 1/60 vf-1

[RD Blade]

wait, no...the gakken is smaller than a 1/60 valk? maybe the larger valks lik ean sv-51 but not the 1/60 vf-1 (that i meant but i guess dien't specify) from waht i remember. i have an old gakken somewhere at my parents place and i can't imagine it's smaller than a 1/60 vf-1

Just checked. I actually meant the VF-1, but I stand corrected. The Gakken is much bigger than a 1/60 VF-1. Fighter mode is a bit longer and it has more overall mass. I'll attribute that mistake to having kept the Legioss in Gerwalk mode as it takes up less shelf space.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

i got my beagle today. but it was missing the adapter piece to mound the gun on Stick's bike... i wrote to mandrake but we'll see what they'll do,,,

is there a custom made of it somewhere?

Mandarake complex took care of me. they saw my photos and 3 of their toy inspection/packing employee's were very honest and agreed that the pieces were packed out of order and they didn't check for the missing piece. And they saw and agreed that's how they packed it after looking at my photos of opening the box. so they offered me 4000yen or if not, they'll think of something else to take care of me. i asked for an exchange/refund as the part is long out of print and it's a high priced collectors item i'd like complete. i promised to be a returning customer. (i also ordered more stuff from the complex store while in dialog with them ) they offered 6000yen for the missing piece or offered to give me a full refund and cover return shipping if i didn't want the compensation. i told them i'll ship it back and will wait for another to post on mandarake. and they were cool.

i just shipped it back to them. so i'll be able to save and get another if it shows up.

Edited May 27, 2014 by davidwhangchoi

[Kanedas Bike]

Mandarake complex took care of me. they saw my photos and 3 of their toy inspection/packing employee's were very honest and agreed that the pieces were packed out of order and they didn't check for the missing piece. And they saw and agreed that's how they packed it after looking at my photos of opening the box. so they offered me 4000yen or if not, they'll think of something else to take care of me. i asked for an exchange/refund as the part is long out of print and it's a high priced collectors item i'd like complete. i promised to be a returning customer. (i also ordered more stuff from the complex store while in dialog with them ) they offered 6000yen for the missing piece or offered to give me a full refund and cover return shipping if i didn't want the compensation. i told them i'll ship it back and will wait for another to post on mandarake. and they were cool.

i just shipped it back to them. so i'll be able to save and get another if it shows up.

That's awesome the way Mandarake took care of the issue, still sucks that you're back on the hunt.

I sold my Robotech Scott a couple of years back, kind of wish I didn't but desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures...That said I'm not actively looking for one but IF I happen to see one before you I'll shout.

-b.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

thanks b

[Kanedas Bike]

not a problem!

-b.

[DarrinG]

Just so it sees some light of day, here is a colorized Mospeada Illustration I worked on a few years back.

With glane21's permission, I took his original Legioss pose and turned it into a red 1Z.

Was going to add Ray's ride armour and a host of other Bits approaching. Would need some reason to finish it as it has a long way to go still . . .

Glane's original drawing . . .

[SuperSenpai]

Mandarake complex took care of me. they saw my photos and 3 of their toy inspection/packing employee's were very honest and agreed that the pieces were packed out of order and they didn't check for the missing piece. And they saw and agreed that's how they packed it after looking at my photos of opening the box. so they offered me 4000yen or if not, they'll think of something else to take care of me. i asked for an exchange/refund as the part is long out of print and it's a high priced collectors item i'd like complete. i promised to be a returning customer. (i also ordered more stuff from the complex store while in dialog with them ) they offered 6000yen for the missing piece or offered to give me a full refund and cover return shipping if i didn't want the compensation. i told them i'll ship it back and will wait for another to post on mandarake. and they were cool.

i just shipped it back to them. so i'll be able to save and get another if it shows up.

I think I saw Benson offering a Robotech MPC Scott Bernard Cyclone in his for trade thread. It says he wants Yamato V2s, and since you have like 4 of everything you must have something he wants. :-)

[DarrinG]

Do any CMs Legioss owners out there want to split the cost of this with me?

I want the rifle for my Alpha - and then I ship you the rest of the parts to upgrade your CMs?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151323541811?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Perrych]

DarrinG, if you are talking about the massive big gun there at the bottom of the package, I can send you mine. I have one that I have no intention of using. Let me know.

[Ignacio Ocamica]

Pm sent!!

[DarrinG]

DarrinG, if you are talking about the massive big gun there at the bottom of the package, I can send you mine. I have one that I have no intention of using. Let me know.

Cool - thx Perrych. Hang on there I O -- if this does not turn out I will work with you to get the parts . . .

[Ignacio Ocamica]

I'm hangin'

[derex3592]

Picked up a new Ikea cabinet last weekend and finally got around to arranging it today. Got to add some old stuff that I couldn't have on display before. Might add a couple of more Matchbox/Gakken things as well. I'm gonna make some sort of cool Mospeada logo/pic base to go on the bottom metal part.

[DarrinG]

Toynami never looked so good.

Big thanks to PerryCh for GIVING me - I say GIVING me - the CMs gun to make this shot possible.

The Veritech missiles on the Beta's wings were left over from the first Robotech war ( couldn't resist ) . . .

[Hoptimus]

Can we get a higher res pic of that without your watermark? I would like it for wallpaper!

[TheLoneWolf]

Awesome photo!