Boxer Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Hello. I found out about Orguss only recently, after finding the origions of the infamous Orguss Valkyrie. Odd as it is, I haven't watched a single episode and yet I'm a fan. I'm wondering if the DVD box set is any good. Anyone here have it and can judge? Or am I alone in my single fandom.... Quote
Keith Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 It was a great show (though stay away from the Orguss 02 OVA, as it has about as much to do with Orguss as Macross II did with Macross). The HK set is great also, though the subtitles start out pretty good, and degrade over the course of the series. Mind you everything is understandable, but the name translations get somewhat odd towards the end. Still, it's highly reccomended, especially since it's the only way to currently get Orguss. Quote
Boxer Posted January 24, 2004 Author Posted January 24, 2004 I heard somewhere that the name translations were laughably incorrect. (For example, Kei is called 'Jackie') I was debating weather it was worth suffering through the hindering diolauge just to understand it. I have no plans to get Orguss II, anyway. I'm rather dissapointed at the lack of attention the show gets though, it's a great idea with a great premise. What makes it so...well...unwantable? Because Macross beat it out? I'm starting to think if Orguss was butchered and added to 'Robotech' then it might have had some popularity. Quote
drifand Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Never did get to watch the series, but I seriously dig the otherworldly toy designs much more than those from Macross. :-) Quote
Keith Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 I heard somewhere that the name translations were laughably incorrect. (For example, Kei is called 'Jackie') I was debating weather it was worth suffering through the hindering diolauge just to understand it.I have no plans to get Orguss II, anyway. I'm rather dissapointed at the lack of attention the show gets though, it's a great idea with a great premise. What makes it so...well...unwantable? Because Macross beat it out? I'm starting to think if Orguss was butchered and added to 'Robotech' then it might have had some popularity. Don't let the names scare you away, it's well worth it. Though I still enjoy Macross more, I'd place Orguss above Mospeada. Besides which, it has a fantastic ending. Quote
MSW Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Keith pretty much summed it all up, right on the money...but I would recommend Orguss 02, if you watch it with the understanding it really has nothing to do with the original TV show...Orguss 02 has a pretty decent story up until the last couple of episodes (where the "ties" to the original TV show are "exposed" )..but up to that point if you ignore the mecha designs (which are pretty clunky reinterpretations of the original Nikick and Orguss) it's a very different but well done OVA series that the likes of the Squaresoft PSX Xenogears and even Turn "A" Gundam have drawn some inperation from. Quote
GobotFool Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Never did get to watch the series, but I seriously dig the otherworldly toy designs much more than those from Macross. :-) Same, I dig the design's but have never seen the show. I still like macross more, but orgoids have to be some of my favorite funky mecha designs ever! Quote
Sumdumgai Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 I saw part of the show from old tapes from the old US release on video. It had an interesting premises, but I didn't get far in the series because the video rental place had only three or four, and the company that had been releasing it had already gone under... I liked Orguss 02, I prefer it over the original series (although I hadn't seen enough of Orguss). Sorry but give me Macross mecha anyday, although the Orguss mecha aren't that bad. Jeez, imagine if Focker's personality got switched with Manning from Orguss 02... Quote
dna Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 What's the status with the US release on this now? I've been waiting for that rather than pick up the HK set. Is it still on or did it get swept under the rug? Quote
Pat S Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 They call Kei the "Special Point" in the HK DVD set I have. In the US Renditions dub they called him something like the "Self Differentiating Idioblast". Quote
Myriad Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 ORGUSS!!!! HK Set subs so so. Orguss is cool! I am one of the few that likes Orguss 2. Carefull if you buy the HK boxset. There is a set that only has half the show in each boxset. I have not seen one of those in a while though. Just read the item description and you will be alright. Beware of the Timmy... Quote
Hoptimus Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 I love Orguss. Mikamotos charicters for that are so awesome. Cool and quirky mecha too. Quote
F-ZeroOne Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 I haven't seen anything of the original Orguss series, but I would very much like to. Its got an interesting premise and wonderful mecha design. The original Takatoku toys are, by the way, very cool and although some of them can be very fragile, going by my experience, with one or two exceptions, they are generally cheaper to buy than Takatoku Valkyries, and sometimes easier to actually find too! Orguss 02 is probably one of the most under-rated - heck, its possible its only so because very few people have seen it! - anime around. Though the mecha designs are inferior to the original, and I can't compare it to the original series either, I found it much better than I expected to be and one of the main characters ( though not the young lead, who has "plot device" written all over him ) is superbly scripted and very, very likable, despite his devious manner... Quote
treatment Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) Hello.I found out about Orguss only recently, after finding the origions of the infamous Orguss Valkyrie. Odd as it is, I haven't watched a single episode and yet I'm a fan. I'm wondering if the DVD box set is any good. Anyone here have it and can judge? Or am I alone in my single fandom.... The HK boots are the only way you can get Orguss-1. No-one knows if Mangle has the US-rights from the old US-Renditions. Rankings: the good: [*] video-quality: good. prolly ripped from the last Japan-R2 set. [*] audio-quality: good stereo. [*] price: very decent enough. Avg $30 to $40 for the boxset. the bad: [*] character-designs: Abundant Minmay/Misa clones. [*] subtitling: horrible engrish. name-substitutions and name-mangling run amok as you progressed thru the whole series. However, it's a simple story so you can follow it even tho the grammar and name-spellings are pretty high on the weird-scale. As for the Orguss-story, it's kinda interesting pilot-turned-wandering-gypsy-due-to-time/dimension-warp-disturbance. Interesting sci-fi plot but average story-delivery. Pretty much un-interesting and really boring unless you're so into 80's sci-fi anime. The only good mecha design is the Orguss itself, tho it's pretty much weak and ugly compared to Macross and Gundam mecha designs. In contrast, the Orguss-2 OVA is a better story and has a better video animation production, as well as great character-designs improvement over the original Mikimoto-designs, i.e Orguss-1 Mikimoto-characters all look like Minmay/Misa clones. As others have stated, it only tries to un-necessarily and half-heartedly hook up with the original Orguss-1 in the last two episodes. Although it echoes Macross-II sequel-tradition, the closest story-parity/plot-relationship I can give it is prolly Gundam-MS-08th's relationship to MS-Gundam. Same people made Macross-II, Orguss-2, and Gundam MS-08th, anyway iirc. Very very much darker in tone and delivery than Orguss-1. Edited January 24, 2004 by treatment Quote
bigkid24 Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Of what I've seen of Orguss I've really enjoyed it. I have a few of the tapes from U.S. Renditions (at least I think that was the company). At the very least I liked it enough to get an Orgroid toy. There is the HK set but I remember someone was going to do a fansub of it, but now I can't remember which MW member was doing it. Quote
Boxer Posted January 24, 2004 Author Posted January 24, 2004 I see Orguss toys here and there on Ebay, as well as a host of the VHS tapes, but nothing as big as some of the other anime out there. I might just get the orguss just to learn how it transforms properly. I've given up on 02 already, even though I saw the box cover art long before the origional Orguss. As for the art I don't really mind. I actually like Mikimoto's style. That might change after I watch Orguss and it's population of Misa/Minmei clones... but for the time being I'm willing to settle with it. So is there an official HK sub that has the names right? There's one I'm looking at over at AnimeToxic, and from what I've heard this set has it's sub errors. There is no way I'm going for the Dub, mostly because I can't find it. Quote
Panon Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 I remember someone was going to do a fansub of it, but now I can't remember which MW member was doing it. Shame it doesn't seem to have materialised, this is a show I'd like to see some day. Quote
kidkorrupt Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 another fan here. me and my roomate were actually doing accurate translations for that series. compiled scripts for the first 5 episodes. it seems like the project is grounded though, havn't heard from the subtitler in awhile dunno if there names are changed but thelonewold and valkyrie from the old boards were a part of the effort. and i remember ole milkman was there supporting the whole way =D Quote
Pat S Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 The bootleg subs are fine. I'd get those if you are interested. The set I have looks like the one on the left here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...bayphotohosting Quote
Boxer Posted January 25, 2004 Author Posted January 25, 2004 Yeah I see that same set over at Animetoxic. I'm not too wild about 02, so I'm not going to bid for the set. Is there anyplace cheaper than $39.80? Quote
Keith Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) The designs aren't "that " rehashed, besides which, it's called style! As for Orguss 02, it does have a good story, at least it did when it was called Laputa..... And has anyone mentioned that Max's seiyuu does the voice of Kei? That's nearly reason enough to see it. Edited January 25, 2004 by Keith Quote
Boxer Posted January 25, 2004 Author Posted January 25, 2004 Max from Macross? Which one, American or Japanese? Did they keep the origional Orguss in 02 or did they redesign it? And I know I haven't seen an Ishkick in any of the posted pictures for 02... Quote
MSW Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 Did they keep the origional Orguss in 02 or did they redesign it? And I know I haven't seen an Ishkick in any of the posted pictures for 02... They redesigned everything...in the Orguss 02 OVA series the actual Orguss 02 title mecha (the only one in the OVA that transforms) resembles a typical Gundam more then a Orguss like mecha...in the opening episode you see something that closely resembles the original Orguss pulled from the sea, it is the repaired and modified (head replaced by machine guns and such), and shortly used in a battle aganst a mecha that somewhat resembles a Nikick...the modified Orguss redesigns (which in the OVA seem the same except for some color differences) are fairly nice, I think, decent tributes to the original design...but the rest are a bit sparce in detail and rather bland... If I get a chance I'll try to do some screen captures and post them in this thread. Quote
orguss01 Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 (edited) Yeah one more Orguss fan.... Orguss01..yeah check it out, it is good stuff.... Edited January 26, 2004 by orguss01 Quote
Keith Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Max from Macross? Which one, American or Japanese?Did they keep the origional Orguss in 02 or did they redesign it? And I know I haven't seen an Ishkick in any of the posted pictures for 02... There is only 1 Max! Why would I care about anything from robotech??? Quote
Druna Skass Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 I've been trying to find this for the longest time... Does anyone know where I can download the ending theme for Orguss 02 or at least it's name? Quote
Boxer Posted January 28, 2004 Author Posted January 28, 2004 I don't think 02 is popular enough for the music to be released... speaking of which, how good is the music? Is it on CD anywhere? (I know it's on LP on Ebay and I'm going after it...) Quote
Boxer Posted February 3, 2004 Author Posted February 3, 2004 I finally got my hands on the Orguss DVD boxset.... Only to encounter some problems. One; the English Subtitles (I can deal with them...) cut out at the end of DVD 01 and leave you with just diolauge. ...and DVD 2 has nothing but Chinise subtitles no matter what option you choose (English or Chinise) ...Help? Quote
Keith Posted February 3, 2004 Posted February 3, 2004 I finally got my hands on the Orguss DVD boxset....Only to encounter some problems. One; the English Subtitles (I can deal with them...) cut out at the end of DVD 01 and leave you with just diolauge. ...and DVD 2 has nothing but Chinise subtitles no matter what option you choose (English or Chinise) ...Help? If you're talking about the french revolution episode, yeah, the subtitles do cut out there, but it's not too bad. As for the chinese subtitles only problem, I haven't encountered that. Are you using the remote or the menu to select language? Where did you get your set from as well? Quote
Boxer Posted February 3, 2004 Author Posted February 3, 2004 (edited) I watch my DVDs on the comp (Family won't let me on the TV...) so that might be the problem. But yeah, I ran to the menu to activat the subtitles instead of by remote. I got the boxset here: http://www.animetoxic.com/prodetail.cfm?itemno=J202-394 It wasn't the cheapest, but I already got an order from them in a short time so I thought they'd be reliable. It might just be my computer problems...I got two computers in the house that can run DVDs plus an X-Box and a PS2 in additition to the real DVD player in my home. One of them is bound to work. Edited February 3, 2004 by Boxer Quote
Keith Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 I watch my DVDs on the comp (Family won't let me on the TV...) so that might be the problem. But yeah, I ran to the menu to activat the subtitles instead of by remote.I got the boxset here: http://www.animetoxic.com/prodetail.cfm?itemno=J202-394 It wasn't the cheapest, but I already got an order from them in a short time so I thought they'd be reliable. It might just be my computer problems...I got two computers in the house that can run DVDs plus an X-Box and a PS2 in additition to the real DVD player in my home. One of them is bound to work. Looks like the same set I have, try using the controls on whatever software player you're using, there should be a manual method of changing subtitle options other than the menu. Quote
Boxer Posted February 4, 2004 Author Posted February 4, 2004 Actually I got it to work somehow. Thanks! I'll talk about the story later- must watch now! Quote
rdenham Posted February 9, 2004 Posted February 9, 2004 Does anyone know how many different Orguss manga and art books are out there? Quote
Boxer Posted February 9, 2004 Author Posted February 9, 2004 (edited) As far as I know there is no Manga nor artbooks that are available on the internet. Yet somehow Orguss.freeservers has somehow managed to get lineart from somewhere. Any Orguss artwork can be found in the various artbooks put out by Haruhito Mikimoto should have some Orguss art in them. Finished Orguss....what a ride... Did anyone see the Arcadia in the battle in the last episodes??? Edited February 9, 2004 by Boxer Quote
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