Kitz Concept Toy Thread 2.0

[jvmacross]

Nice internal mechanics gimmick...

The scene where the missiles pop out like that and take out an entire VF squadron was one of the most memorable of the entire series!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the canon metallic green version to be released!!!!!!!!!

[Big s]

3 hours ago, jvmacross said:

Can't wait for the canon metallic green version to be released!!!!!!!!!

you can clearly see that they were so sparkly that the light just shines around them.

seriously though where did they get that name for the Gnerl?

[varitechs]

I "ordered" this one, 28 cm is really a big size, it feels like the Matchbox era 😁

[Big s]

are they doing a clear canopy, or is this picture just to show the internal details?

I kinda always thought it was just a light grey armor piece on the top and bottom. I don’t remember any scenes that showed it clear. I think there was either an alternate color that had it green, but that may have just been a color mistake in the animation.

[tekering]

24 minutes ago, Big s said:

I kinda always thought it was just a light grey armor piece on the top and bottom.

Yes, of course.  Zentraedi mecha use sensors and cameras, with big screens in front of the pilots.  The only transparent canopies are on the Matchbox toys. 🙄

[Big s]

1 hour ago, tekering said:

Yes, of course.  Zentraedi mecha use sensors and cameras, with big screens in front of the pilots.  The only transparent canopies are on the Matchbox toys. 🙄

That’s what I thought. I figured the big camera in front was to see rather than just a gunsight.

[sh9000]

[jvmacross]

7 hours ago, Big s said:

seriously though where did they get that name for the Gnerl?

According to "Robotech" site the Quel-Gulnau is actually this ship....

https://macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/salvageship.htm

[Big s]

42 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

According to "Robotech" site the Quel-Gulnau is actually this ship....

https://macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/salvageship.htm

I honestly don’t know where they’re doing their research on these things. A bunch of Robotech stuff seems to name the recovery ship what they’re trying to name the gnerl. I’m not sure if that’s the official Macross name of the recovery ship, but it definitely isn’t the gnerl’s name. They can’t get their colors right, their names come out of nowhere and I have a weird feeling that the gnerl toy is gonna end up with a clear canopy 

[jvmacross]

27 minutes ago, Big s said:

I honestly don’t know where they’re doing their research on these things. A bunch of Robotech stuff seems to name the recovery ship what they’re trying to name the gnerl. I’m not sure if that’s the official Macross name of the recovery ship, but it definitely isn’t the gnerl’s name. They can’t get their colors right, their names come out of nowhere and I have a weird feeling that the gnerl toy is gonna end up with a clear canopy 

I'm surprised no one has brought it up to him....maybe he'll double down on the name too!

[jvmacross]

@Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

What is the "official" name of this ship in the Macross Universe...

 

I'd have to check my reference books, but thought you may just know off the top of your head....I don't ever recall it being referred to as a Quel-Gulnau...until just recently by the folks producing the tiny gaming kits....but guessing it must be correct and they didn't just make it up...

[Big s]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

@Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

What is the "official" name of this ship in the Macross Universe...

 

I'd have to check my reference books, but thought you may just know off the top of your head....I don't ever recall it being referred to as a Quel-Gulnau...until just recently by the folks producing the tiny gaming kits....but guessing it must be correct and they didn't just make it up...

I’d like to know as well, all I’ve found was Zentraedi Recovery Ship as the name on non Robotech searches. Then again I’ve never seen their body armors named either

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, jvmacross said:

@Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

What is the "official" name of this ship in the Macross Universe...

 

I'd have to check my reference books, but thought you may just know off the top of your head....I don't ever recall it being referred to as a Quel-Gulnau...until just recently by the folks producing the tiny gaming kits....but guessing it must be correct and they didn't just make it up...

回収機 (Kaishuu-ki, lit. "Recovery craft" or "Retrieval craft") is the only label ever applied to it in the art books.

I don't believe it's been given a name in the Zentradi language, officially. There are several designs that were not given a name in the alien language. Like the medium scale gunboat that Quamzin used at the end of the series, the Zentradi picket/scout ship, or many of the non-battle pod small craft.

[Atomski]

14 hours ago, jvmacross said:

Nice internal mechanics gimmick...

The scene where the missiles pop out like that and take out an entire VF squadron was one of the most memorable of the entire series!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for the canon metallic green version to be released!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, I would never say no to firing missiles on a toy. Cannon or not.  

[jvmacross]

13 minutes ago, Atomski said:

To be fair, I would never say no to firing missiles on a toy. Cannon or not.  

The Gnerl does launch missiles....just not how KC plans on implementing....not sure if it would be practical to do it as depicted in the show....still, when not in use, it doesn't seem like it will affect the way the Gnerl should look....although I'm sure when the launchers pop out they will be colored in aqua metallic like how the VF-1 cockpits are painted on their VF-1 line....lol

[Atomski]

34 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

The Gnerl does launch missiles....just not how KC plans on implementing....not sure if it would be practical to do it as depicted in the show....still, when not in use, it doesn't seem like it will affect the way the Gnerl should look....although I'm sure when the launchers pop out they will be colored in aqua metallic like how the VF-1 cockpits are painted on their VF-1 line....lol

Probably.  

[Big s]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

The Gnerl does launch missiles....just not how KC plans on implementing....not sure if it would be practical to do it as depicted in the show....still, when not in use, it doesn't seem like it will affect the way the Gnerl should look....although I'm sure when the launchers pop out they will be colored in aqua metallic like how the VF-1 cockpits are painted on their VF-1 line....lol

If I remember, those Theo grey holes were the missile launchers on each side. I don’t remember it ever opening up like that. I may be wrong, but I remember the missiles launching sideways and then they would curve to the target.

I was already planning a rewatch of the show to see details about the light body armor dudes, now I gotta watch it to see the gnerl in action. Maybe I should just wait for whatever other obscure item they try to produce, so I just have to do one super watch

[jvmacross]

It seems KC subscribes to the Masami Watanabe school of thought when it comes to Macross mecha....in short, anything goes!

[Big s]

2 hours ago, jvmacross said:

It seems KC subscribes to the Masami Watanabe school of thought when it comes to Macross mecha....in short, anything goes!

I don’t really know who that is, but right now, I totally get what you’re saying 

[jvmacross]

40 minutes ago, Big s said:

I don’t really know who that is, but right now, I totally get what you’re saying 

LOL....he is the forgotten old SDFM era illustrator that not many are familiar with and thus often gets left out when going over SDFM era illustrators...he was pretty prolific, but basically did whatever he wanted when it came to the mecha of Macross, think missiles and laser coming out of places where they shouldn't and using non-canon paint schemes, etc....probably no one complained or cared because his target audience (via the various TV anime show mags and books sold at the time) seems to have been the young kids watching the Macross show on TV at the time....

[jvmacross]

6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

回収機 (Kaishuu-ki, lit. "Recovery craft" or "Retrieval craft") is the only label ever applied to it in the art books.

I don't believe it's been given a name in the Zentradi language, officially. There are several designs that were not given a name in the alien language. Like the medium scale gunboat that Quamzin used at the end of the series, the Zentradi picket/scout ship, or many of the non-battle pod small craft.

Thanks for confirming...so it seems the Chinese kit company doing the Robotech RPG must be coming up with the names for the Armor types too, as that is when I first saw them receive a name....are there any illustrations for these items that have Zentran writing on them?  If so, maybe they are going hard-core and translating from Zentradi....LOL

Or maybe these names are coming from the Fanky doujins?

[Big s]

54 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

Thanks for confirming...so it seems the Chinese kit company doing the Robotech RPG must be coming up with the names for the Armor types too, as that is when I first saw them receive a name....are there any illustrations for these items that have Zentran writing on them?  If so, maybe they are going hard-core and translating from Zentradi....LOL

Or maybe these names are coming from the Fanky doujins?

Same here, I never saw names for the body armor until these toys. It’s strange because Robotech usually simplified names far more. Like Battle pod or officers battle pod. The only time I remember an actual zentraedi name in the old Robotech might’ve been a weird pronunciation of Queadluun Rau.

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

Thanks for confirming...so it seems the Chinese kit company doing the Robotech RPG must be coming up with the names for the Armor types too, as that is when I first saw them receive a name....are there any illustrations for these items that have Zentran writing on them?  If so, maybe they are going hard-core and translating from Zentradi....LOL

Or maybe these names are coming from the Fanky doujins?

They're either coming up with the names themselves or they're using names they've found while researching on Robotech fan sites.

There is writing on a number of the pieces of line art for various Zentradi mecha, but they're mostly unit numbers.

For example...

Using the official guide on Zentradi language from Macross Chronicle, none of them that have writing on them in the line art appear to have anything recognizable as a word.  The writing on them, according to Macross Perfect Memory, are unit markings and other identifying marks.  The letters under the camera eye are the pilot's initials (L.O.), the numbers written on the side above the leg are the platoon number (T-25, the circle and symbol is the number 20 not 2), and the writing on the hip joint itself is an identification number for that aircraft (appears to be C and then 1025D6).  The chevrons on the back of the knees (not seen here) are identified as rank insignia.  Similar markings for the same purpose are found on the Nousjadeul-Ger, Queadluun-Rau, etc.

The Quel-Quallie appears to have a identification number written on its underside.  Neither the Gnerl nor the Recovery Craft have any writing on them in their art.

[jenius]

Well, there's a lot of head scratching going on but a compartment with weapons for the pilots sounds fun. Still... seems like he's coming up with ways to make this toy unreasonably expensive instead of just scratching the existing itch at a reasonable price point. 

[Seto Kaiba]

To add, prior to DYRL?, the instances we see of Zentradi text onscreen are typically just perfectly legible English written in the Zentradi alphabet rather than alien words.

For instance, the interior of the Quel-Quallie recon pod has the English words "ESCAPE POD" written over the escape pod hatch in the bottom right corner there.

[Big s]

just thought I’d post their alphabet translation from the hasegawa regult, just in case anyone sees something and just wants to try and translate it.

[Big s]

As far as some of those made up gimmicks, I really don’t remember ever seeing a gnerl pilot actually get out of their fighter with weapons.To be fair, most just died. But I have no idea where that rifle came from and don’t remember them using tools like an axe or small weapons like a knife. Maybe a few had tools after the big climactic not finale. I really mostly remember surviving zentraedi mecha pilots just using their bare hands after getting their machine trashed. 
I think the only armed ones were just dude that grabbed a rifle out of their main ship armory if they couldn’t get to something like a regult in time.

Although I do remember some odd weopons like something that looked like a shotgun that one of those fed up maintenance workers in a jumpsuit.

[jvmacross]

43 minutes ago, Big s said:

As far as some of those made up gimmicks, I really don’t remember ever seeing a gnerl pilot actually get out of their fighter with weapons.To be fair, most just died. But I have no idea where that rifle came from and don’t remember them using tools like an axe or small weapons like a knife. Maybe a few had tools after the big climactic not finale. I really mostly remember surviving zentraedi mecha pilots just using their bare hands after getting their machine trashed. 
I think the only armed ones were just dude that grabbed a rifle out of their main ship armory if they couldn’t get to something like a regult in time.

Although I do remember some odd weopons like something that looked like a shotgun that one of those fed up maintenance workers in a jumpsuit.

Meh....I think the odds are so low in ever seeing the Gnerl get made, that KC can add a toilet gimmick and I'd still buy it if it were to miraculously get produced...

[Big s]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

Meh....I think the odds are so low in ever seeing the Gnerl get made, that KC can add a toilet gimmick and I'd still buy it if it were to miraculously get produced...

It’s such a simple design, I’m surprised it hasn’t really been done by anything other than garage kit companies. Although I have an odd feeling hasegawa might actually do one, especially if the sales on this toy do any good 

[Chronocidal]

I'd be much more likely to buy a model than this thing, honestly.  If I'm going to have to paint it anyway, I'd rather not have to strip off a worse color to make it stick.  

[jvmacross]

13 hours ago, Big s said:

....especially if the sales on this toy do any good 

You must be a glass half full type of person...lol

It'll likely never get past those illustrations....but I'd like to be proved wrong...

[Big s]

5 hours ago, jvmacross said:

You must be a glass half full type of person...lol

It'll likely never get past those illustrations....but I'd like to be proved wrong...

As far as the toy goes, if they had just kept it simple it would be really cool. It’s a small fighter for their little pilot guy. They could’ve easily kept the cost low with being simple and just had the basic landing gear and opening cockpit. The other unnecessary stuff unfortunately will just add to the customer cost and for stuff no one needs. I don’t really know how well the sales will be if they add so much pointless stuff that it just prices out anyone that’s on the fence about buying it. 
A glass half full is also a glass half empty and I can see where this could be a cool toy if the price is low, but it could also end up a total failure if it’s too expensive and if it fails, it could discourage other companies like Hasegawa from doing a simple kit. While a success may just be the inspiration for a company to produce a gnerl as well if they see there’s interest in the design.

[jvmacross]

1 hour ago, Big s said:

As far as the toy goes, if they had just kept it simple it would be really cool. It’s a small fighter for their little pilot guy. They could’ve easily kept the cost low with being simple and just had the basic landing gear and opening cockpit. The other unnecessary stuff unfortunately will just add to the customer cost and for stuff no one needs. I don’t really know how well the sales will be if they add so much pointless stuff that it just prices out anyone that’s on the fence about buying it. 
A glass half full is also a glass half empty and I can see where this could be a cool toy if the price is low, but it could also end up a total failure if it’s too expensive and if it fails, it could discourage other companies like Hasegawa from doing a simple kit. While a success may just be the inspiration for a company to produce a gnerl as well if they see there’s interest in the design.

As long as they could keep the Gnerl in the same ballpark of scale with the rest of their line, I would buy it....

[Big s]

22 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

As long as they could keep the Gnerl in the same ballpark of scale with the rest of their line, I would buy it....

I’m sure it will be. At $40 bucks I’d buy it. A bit over that and I’d question it, but over a hundred I’d probably just sit it out

[jvmacross]

5 minutes ago, Big s said:

... but over a hundred I’d probably just sit it out

Or just wait for a 'shocking prices' sale!