Kitz Concept Toy Thread 2.0

[rsvictor1976]

So I took a break from collecting and am clueless to KitzConcept. I see a lot of talk about this Kickstarter project and preorders. Can someone fill me in on what the drama is all about?

[varitechs]

a Kickstarter project is like a pre-order for a limited time, it is generally done to raise funds to launch a production

The only difference is that if the total amount requested is not reached, thé project is canceled, we are not charged on our credit cards and the creator of the project does not receive the money

[jvmacross]

For the KitzConcept KickStarter it's a bit more complicated....

KC's existing PO system essentially works like a kickstarter....pay a deposit in advance for the delivery of the item at some future date.....which was working fine until their release dates became more erratic to the point where POs are now taking years to get released....all while receiving next to no updates on the PO release dates...

And this is the biggest issue with the KC Kickstarter....like their most "recent" POs....the listed release dates on all of their Kickstarter items are now meaningless due to how they have been handling their current open POs...does anyone really think they can stick to the tight schedule they are advertising on Kickstarter?  

Unfortunately, KC is now  insinuating that only via Kickstarter support will their customers be able to get any of the items on their current Kickstarter....they are counting on the anxieties of some of their customers....as the saying goes, fool me once....

Instead, KC should concentrate on reorganizing how they release their product....get their open POs delivered....then rethink their future production schedules so that years long waiting for items in the dark becomes a thing of the past....personally, I don't mind if they release only 1-2 items per year as long as they are released as promised....for additional cash, maybe a couple of VF-1 repaints or some of the canon schemes they have not released in between new product releases...I hope KC can fix their problems...

[varitechs]

28 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

For the KitzConcept KickStarter it's a bit more complicated....

KC's existing PO system essentially works like a kickstarter....pay a deposit in advance for the delivery of the item at some future date.....which was working fine until their release dates became more erratic to the point where POs are now taking years to get released....all while receiving next to no updates on the PO release dates...

And this is the biggest issue with the KC Kickstarter....like their most "recent" POs....the listed release dates on all of their Kickstarter items are now meaningless due to how they have been handling their current open POs...does anyone really think they can stick to the tight schedule they are advertising on Kickstarter?  

Unfortunately, KC is now  insinuating that only via Kickstarter support will their customers be able to get any of the items on their current Kickstarter....they are counting on the anxieties of some of their customers....as the saying goes, fool me once....

Instead, KC should concentrate on reorganizing how they release their product....get their open POs delivered....then rethink their future production schedules so that years long waiting for items in the dark becomes a thing of the past....personally, I don't mind if they release only 1-2 items per year as long as they are released as promised....for additional cash, maybe a couple of VF-1 repaints or some of the canon schemes they have not released in between new product releases...I hope KC can fix their problems...

It's not the question of rsvictor1976  but you right to notice it...

It should be noted that if their lead times are abnormally long, it is because the orders are not enough to launch production... and since it is a small company, they have to wait until they have enough orders. I think they are honest but when you order their product, you have to accept that there may be delays.
However, the interest of this Kickstarter campaign is that they can get a large sum to launch their production and that is why I believe in it.

 

[jvmacross]

40 minutes ago, varitechs said:

It's not the question of rsvictor1976  but you right to notice it...

It should be noted that if their lead times are abnormally long, it is because the orders are not enough to launch production... and since it is a small company, they have to wait until they have enough orders. I think they are honest but when you order their product, you have to accept that there may be delays.
However, the interest of this Kickstarter campaign is that they can get a large sum to launch their production and that is why I believe in it.

 

He asked what the drama was....so explained it...

Also, if they know they cannot produce the items after taking customer deposits they should be clear about that....instead, they decided not to say anything or provide few or any updates, so now they have a trust problem...

At some point their current business model will not be sustainable and many are in a position to lose their money....unless you think KC will return all deposits? 

I do not belive that their current goal is a guarantee that every item will get produced, if he is struggling to produce the items that are stiil pending with paid deposits....

[locidm]

What are the risks with supporting kickstarter? If they make the target then they'll charge us and produce the toys. If they don't make the target then they'll not charge us. I guess the worry is that they make the target, take the money, and then somehow tanked and disappear without consequence?

[jvmacross]

11 minutes ago, locidm said:

What are the risks with supporting kickstarter? If they make the target then they'll charge us and produce the toys. If they don't make the target then they'll not charge us. I guess the worry is that they make the target, take the money, and then somehow tanked and disappear without consequence?

You answered your own question....lol

[varitechs]

19 minutes ago, locidm said:

What are the risks with supporting kickstarter? If they make the target then they'll charge us and produce the toys. If they don't make the target then they'll not charge us. I guess the worry is that they make the target, take the money, and then somehow tanked and disappear without consequence?

Yes of course but since i received the Battlepod, i have confiance 🙂

[Big s]

2 hours ago, varitechs said:

It's not the question of rsvictor1976  but you right to notice it...

It should be noted that if their lead times are abnormally long, it is because the orders are not enough to launch production... and since it is a small company, they have to wait until they have enough orders. I think they are honest but when you order their product, you have to accept that there may be delays.
However, the interest of this Kickstarter campaign is that they can get a large sum to launch their production and that is why I believe in it.

 

In their recent picture of the hot pink zentraedi pilot, it’s standing next to a vitruvian hacks knight by boss fights. That particular company is very small and their original knights were on a kickstarter. But after that the majority of their products have been standard releases with a few that are exclusive to certain sites like the red one pictured, which was a bbts exclusive. They still do an occasional kickstarter for a figure every now and then, but not often. They mostly just used the process to start their company and don’t rely on the process.

If a company is relying mainly on that process, then it’s a bad sign. There’s been several companies and many of which were toy companies that have gone under using this process. Many of those go under bankruptcy and then don’t pay the customers back their money. That’s really why so many people are against this here. This particular company is getting further and further behind on their promises making it even harder to trust them. And when that company doesn’t communicate well with their customers, then it’s just another red flag to add to the pile.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand a lot of smaller companies are dealing with delays post Covid. Things got a little weird overseas, but many people have been waiting multiple years on their products and that can cause mistrust, especially with a lack of communication.

If this company was more reliable and good with their customer relations, that probably would get more people involved in their process, but the majority of people would still rather just see a simple preorder at a website they trust like BBTS or Entertainment Earth or whatever their favorite spot is. No upfront cash and easy cancellation in case things look bad.

[jvmacross]

I too recived my Regults..three of them...with no explanation, until recently, on the missing Gluu-Gers that were advertised to be included....and the wait was over 2.5+ years with hardly an update during most of that time....and that is not even taking into account everything else they have yet to deliver on while asking for yet more payments for 'promises'....

To me throwing more cash at KC would be less about confidence and more about blind faith...at the moment I've run out of both for KC...

I do wish them luck though....