Kitz Concept Toy Thread 2.0

[MKT]

Jetfire!!

 

 

[no3Ljm]

I have to say 'Jetfire' color scheme looks nice. Not sure if I'm going to preorder one though since I don't want to start collecting another scale of VF-1 nor having a one VF-1 figure in a different scale.

[Corrinald]

Jetfire VF-1 is unexpected. Definitely ordering one

[sh9000]

Preordered Jetfire.  I don't plan on getting any of the other 1/72 scale Valkyries.  I always thought this scheme would work for Milia if she ever had a VF-1S so this will be good in my Transformers collection as Jetfire and Macross collection as a VF-1S Milia.

[Radioguy]

Sub-1/60 is problematic for me (Yeah, I know. Hi-Metal included), but this does look nice. I just don't know.

[jenius]

They should release Jetfire every year with the same variations as the original toy. Next year will be sticker on the wing variant. 

[Stampeed Valkyrie]

I'm kinda meh on this.    I may end up with it anyway but not sold on this idea.    

[jenius]

I wonder why they didn't stick to the G1 Jetfire paint scheme around the cockpit. They went with more red.

[sh9000]

Bonus if KC puts their Jetfire in packaging similar to the G1 packaging.

[vladykins]

$260 from BBTS. That's a nope for me for a 1/72

[jvmacross]

19 hours ago, MKT said:

Jetfire!! God of Flame!!

 

 

Fixed!! 

[Big s]

I don’t really get this one. It doesn’t even have the right markings 

[jvmacross]

No interest in this one....with all the QC issues and the redesigned VF-1 and fast packs that don't attach correctly in fighter mode...it just seems a bit much for this release

[no3Ljm]

47 minutes ago, vladykins said:

$260 from BBTS. That's a nope for me for a 1/72

Oof. I was hoping to get it from them in case I change my mind. But at 236.36% increase from the original price, it's a sign that I don't need it.

15 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

No interest in this one....with all the QC issues and the redesigned VF-1 and fast packs that don't attach correctly in fighter mode...it just seems a bit much for this release

Plus the reason that I don't need a lone VF-1 in different scale in my collection, I trust JVM's opinion on this one. 

Edited September 1, 2022 by no3Ljm

[SUPERULTRAROBORIDER]

Tempting! I hope this could mean that Bandai could work it out with HG and Takara to do a Jetfire with the 1/48 VF-1

[Chronocidal]

3 hours ago, vladykins said:

$260 from BBTS. That's a nope for me for a 1/72

Yeah.. that's.. just way out of the range of what I'd want to pay for something like this.  That's.. actually more than I paid for my Arcadia VE-1 PF release.  

It's a fun subject, but I don't have any particular attachment to the old VF-1 Jetfire that makes this a must-have for me.  I'd probably just paint up one of my VF-1S kits in the scheme instead, since I have a couple still unopened.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Chronocidal

[no3Ljm]

10 minutes ago, Chronocidal said:

Yeah.. that's.. just way out of the range of what I'd want to pay for something like this.  That's.. actually more than I paid for my Arcadia VE-1 PF release.  

It's a fun subject, but I don't have any particular attachment to the old VF-1 Jetfire that makes this a must-have for me.  I'd probably just paint up one of my VF-1S kits in the scheme instead, since I have a couple still unopened.

Love to see that if you decided on doing it.  

But then, are you sure you don't want to paint it on DX VF-1S instead? You know just to justify BBTS 'asking' price. 

[Chronocidal]

6 minutes ago, no3Ljm said:

Love to see that if you decided on doing it.  

But then, are you sure you don't want to paint it on DX VF-1S instead? You know just to justify BBTS 'asking' price. 

Nah, because I don't want to deal with taking apart anything suffering from Bandai's fetish for superglue.   If I'm going to paint something, it's going to be something I can take apart easily, and even better if it's not even assembled to begin with.

[Wolf-1]

It's nice and cool, but not $250.+, cool.  Glad I painted one of the Toynami releases to scratch this itch.  Maybe if they ever get around to the Battlecry schemes, if I don't just paint them myself.

 

[Mechapilot77]

hoping they have fixed the updated mold issues by the time this releases.  I can't stop myself from wanting this.  like many, g1 jetfire was the path towards macross love for me.  i wonder if KC, a licensed robotech toy maker can do this....could threezero (who are doing a 1/72 veritech soon right?)?  i bet they won't if they don'tn want to lose all their TF licenses though.  lol.  damnit, why couldn't takara x bandai by a DX chogokin in jetfire deco?  yes there is custom painted dx chogokin option but with that usually comes a delicate paint application and a slightly undesirable feel in hand.  its a very bad price since the improvements last time were a step back and since V1 its been a mix of good and bad tolerances etc.  ugh....i want to love this and buy it but i feel like its a need to buy it because a better factory made option won't come along anytime soon.  i'll be OK double and triple dipping if 3zero and bandai follow suit.  lol.

[sh9000]

I'll keep this one MISB as a single item from the line as a special Macross Valkyrie or mini Jetfire.  KC has this for regular price of $229.90 and special price of $209.90.  BBTS has this for $259.99.

[MKT]

Sold out at both their own site and BBTS. Probably the fastest selling KC VF-1 toy lol.

[ErikElvis]

I’ve slowed down collecting so price is ok for me I guess. I’m gonna go for it. Had an original jet fire in box but unfortunately he yellowed like crazy.  Quite upsetting. 

[MKT]

Why can’t Bandai do this with their DX Chogokin PO’s? 

[jenius]

1 hour ago, MKT said:

Why can’t Bandai do this with their DX Chogokin PO’s? 

 

Licensing! KitzConcept is going 3rd Party Transformers.

[MKT]

39 minutes ago, jenius said:

Licensing! KitzConcept is going 3rd Party Transformers.

Oh what I meant was, why can’t Bandai announce additional numbers right after when their PO immediately sells out?

But in hindsight, they do: for their web exclusives only, just not for their retail release..

[Chronocidal]

1 hour ago, MKT said:

Oh what I meant was, why can’t Bandai announce additional numbers right after when their PO immediately sells out?

But in hindsight, they do: for their web exclusives only, just not for their retail release..

Unless it's the VF-25 armor packs.  Despite being in practically every episode of Frontier, and used on Ozma's valk in almost every episode, if you didn't buy those from the first day, you are pretty much SOL.  

I really wouldn't mind getting one of these, just in a scale that actually went with anything else I already have.  

[MKT]

24 minutes ago, Chronocidal said:

Unless it's the VF-25 armor packs.  Despite being in practically every episode of Frontier, and used on Ozma's valk in almost every episode, if you didn't buy those from the first day, you are pretty much SOL.  

I hadn’t started collecting then, but were the PO numbers for the VF-25 armors high enough for Bandai to open up 2nd or even 3rd batches for sale?

As far as Macross collecting goes, I only remember additional PO batches opened up for the VF-1 Strike packs when the initial batch sold out almost straightaway.

[Chronocidal]

2 minutes ago, MKT said:

I hadn’t started collecting then, but were the PO numbers for the VF-25 armors high enough for Bandai to open up 2nd or even 3rd batches for sale?

I don't think initial demand for those was quite so high, but the market was also just recovering from Bandai's first failed attempt at a transformable VF-25.  Alto's and Ozma's VF-25s came before the current pre-order insanity had even begun, and were pretty easy to place an order for, because Ozma's pre-order came before Alto's release, so no one had any way to guess at the quality of this second attempt.  Since orders for the armor packs also were around that time, it's possible they really didn't get much demand. (It was also before international shops even really started offering those sorts of web-exclusives, so many of us here had to rely on bulk orders placed by very generous forum members located in Japan.)

However.. even after seeing what hot items the VF-25s were later, and even reissuing Ozma's VF-25S multiple times, they never revisited those armor packs, despite prices for them climbing steadily into orbit.  It always felt like they were being willfully oblivious to the demand for those packs, since they were such an absolutely iconic part of Ozma's valk, and to the series of Frontier as a whole.

I am happy to see KC re-evaluating the demand for this one though.  I just hope they don't attract any ugly attention from other companies on the international market.  It doesn't have any obviously infringing markings at least.. though I'm sure those will be very easy to acquire, for those who want them.  

[TheLoneWolf]

When Hasbro decided to quietly let unlicensed third-parties rip off their designs, I wonder if they ever imagined that official licensed companies would also get in on the act 😆

[MKT]

Thanks for the little history insight @Chronocidal.

Bandai steadfastly refusing to reissue the VF-25 armor packs seem to solidify even more into the strong belief that web-exclusives are never re-issued verbatim.

Yet the VF-1 missiles and strike packs did have reissues down the road, so Bandai did the right thing here.

Now that Frontier can be worldwide, here’s hoping Ozma’s and Alto’s VF-25 will be released again, perhaps a full pack with armor like they did with the VF-1J. 

[Radioguy]

So...do the original 500 who ordered this get copies with the "x/1000" label they ordered, or will they now get the same "x/1888" label that everyone ordering now gets?

I ask, because wouldn't changing those terms potentially be a reasonable basis for someone to cancel their preorder and expect a deposit refund? I can imagine some being upset at the extension of the run to where what they ordered, even if it's the label on the box, has materially changed after payment was made.

Just curious...

[Tober]

46 minutes ago, Radioguy said:

So...do the original 500 who ordered this get copies with the "x/1000" label they ordered, or will they now get the same "x/1888" label that everyone ordering now gets?

I ask, because wouldn't changing those terms potentially be a reasonable basis for someone to cancel their preorder and expect a deposit refund? I can imagine some being upset at the extension of the run to where what they ordered, even if it's the label on the box, has materially changed after payment was made.

Just curious...

I was in the 500, and I really don't care about a numbered card.

A few friends missed out on the original preorder and it made me feel kinda guilty about it. So it's fine by me that the run was extended.

Otherwise, it reminds me of a scene in South Park where Cartman is playing with a toy in front of Kyle, who also wants the toy. Cartman isn't so much enjoying playing with the toy as enjoying that he has it to play with and Kyle doesn't.

[Chronocidal]

I'd really just be happier if things like this were never limited at all.  I can understand production limits, and having to manage factories, but arbitrarily limiting an item to induce a sense of collectability in it just feels unfitting for something of this nature.  It's a toy.. and you're limiting who gets to enjoy it?  Why?

 

Edited September 3, 2022 by Chronocidal

[DewPoint]

While it is a toy, the question is "what age group is this toy for?"  Unlike the Chunky Monkey, it doesn't appear that it is intended for 10 year olds.  So they add a bunch of details and add a bunch of gimmicks and call it a collectable.  Then limit the production run and change a premium for it.  Chunky Monkeys weren't that cheap back in the day either.  Not sure if it would be $260 adjusted for inflation though.