Kitz Concept Toy Thread 2.0

[Radioguy]

13 minutes ago, varitechs said:

As we said in this thread, they are a small company, they have a lot of ideas but not enough funds and that's the whole idea of Kickstarter, it's a crowdfunding campaign to help them produce. It's in all of our interests if we want really cool products like the Battlepod otherwise who will ?

Don't be suspicious, they haven't scammed anyone and their products are good.

You don't happen to work for them, do you? Not that one can't have that opinion otherwise, of course.

[Atomski]

23 minutes ago, varitechs said:

As we said in this thread, they are a small company, they have a lot of ideas but not enough funds and that's the whole idea of Kickstarter, it's a crowdfunding campaign to help them produce. It's in all of our interests if we want really cool products like the Battlepod otherwise who will ?

Don't be suspicious, they haven't scammed anyone and their products are good.

The fact that they are doing this via Kickstarter when they already have a mechanism in place to do preorders on their own site and have 3 different items outstanding to paid customers is very suspicious. 

Edited November 17 by Atomski

[varitechs]

30 minutes ago, Radioguy said:

You don't happen to work for them, do you? Not that one can't have that opinion otherwise, of course.

no, i am just a fan 😅

[jenius]

I don't think it feels 'suspicious' but I don't think it makes sense either. 

STEP 1: Deliver on the products you've already accepted POs for. It doesn't even have to be all of them but it at least has to be MOST of them. The PO to delivery cycle is way out of whack right now.
STEP 2: Choose ONE product and do a Kickstarter for it. Start with low hanging fruit. Do a Kickstarter for a weathering version of the Battlepod or a Kickstarter exclusive color variant to pay for the costs of that toy and earn some profit to apply to other things they want to do.
STEP 3: After creating a track record of success, do a Kickstarter for an item that will only be made if there's enough interest. A low target item could be some alternate Zentraedi pilot figures.
STEP 4: With a couple successful Kickstarters done and all the POs delivered at this point, do a big Kickstarter for the Officer's Pod without a pilot.
STEP 5: If that Kickstarter is successful, give us an armored pilot figure Kickstarter. If it's not successful, try the scout pod with hopefully a lower target since some of the engineering from the standard pod carries over. 

Pairing a huge target for many items with a huge backlog of undelivered promises is a terrible strategy. For a single item... I would have been tempted to contribute... but I have preorders for all the GBP iterations and the two battlepod variants so I might still have waited until I at least had the battlepod variants to contribute any more funds. With how this is set up? Not a chance. I do look forward to more of their products but I'm not in the market of giving out open-ended 0% loans. 

Edited November 18 by jenius

[Sandman]

That is one of the craziest Kickstarter I've ever seen. I think they overshot their project scope.

[jvmacross]

8 hours ago, Atomski said:

Something I am not seeing pointed out in this discussion is by doing it on Kickstarter they could end up not providing a finished product and we would still be out of money. Strikes me as odd they took this to Kickstarter when they already had a preorder system in place. 

This was literally brought up as soon as the Kickstarter went up....it's the main reason why many are hesitant to drop more cash on KC's lap...

[Stampeed Valkyrie]

So remember folks Kickstarter rewards are not Guaranteed.   

Are Kickstarter rewards guaranteed?

 

 

It's important to keep in mind that backing is not buying, and rewards are not guaranteed. The first thing to note here is that the estimated delivery date is just that, an estimate. This date is determined by project creators as their best guess for when backers will receive their rewards.

 

I do wish KC all the best,  but as others have mentioned I have several PreOrders that are unfulfilled from KC,  and no word on release and no response to my emails.  

 

[jvmacross]

Same here....need to receive all of my PO's before considering more PO "deposits"....which the Kickstarter now expects you to pay the full "discounted" amount for the privilege of an IOU....NOPE

Edited November 18 by jvmacross

[rsvictor1976]

The more I keep reading this thread, the more suspicious I get with Kitz Concept.

[sh9000]

From the comments section of the Kickstarter page.  They will consider adjustments to the red of the pilot figure but intend to keep the metallic effect.

Read on for more comments:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kitzconcept/kitzconcept-the-series-of-macross/comments

[Chronocidal]

Ugh... the metallic is the worst part though.  

[jvmacross]

Just like the leg tab change...they are doubling down on bad decisions....

Not sure who would actually say they prefer the metallic paints...they look horrible....I don'tlike their use on the cockpits of their VF-1's either, but thinking it has more to do with  Cyrus's personal preference....or costs...

I have three figs that I "bought" when I purchased my three Regults....if I had the skill to repaint them I would....but don't and definitely not wasting my time trying on a fig that when all is said and done is only 4.5"...it's a shame Bandai doesn't give a sh!t about making Macross figs....

 

[Big s]

So three colors? I couldn’t find images of it in anything other than lavender and really don’t remember “Red”.  I definitely don’t see it as metallic.

I’d like to see where he’s getting his references from. 

[jvmacross]

2 minutes ago, Big s said:

So three colors? I couldn’t find images of it in anything other than lavender and really don’t remember “Red”.  I definitely don’t see it as metallic.

I’d like to see where he’s getting his references from. 

They exist only in his head canon...

[Big s]

Just now, jvmacross said:

They exist only in his head canon...

I’m not saying it wasn’t in another color, just I couldn’t find any images of it over the weekend. I still would like to do another watch of the og show to see, but I might not get around to it anytime soon.

but you may be correct that it’s his

[jvmacross]

1 minute ago, Big s said:

I’m not saying it wasn’t in another color, just I couldn’t find any images of it over the weekend. I still would like to do another watch of the og show to see, but I might not get around to it anytime soon.

but you may be correct that it’s his

I think it is just green or purple armor....with the brown armor being a possible third or just an animation paint error....maybe the Macross Chronicle might have a definitive answer I think there actuallywas an issue that covered this topic...or we can simply summon... @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

I think it is just green or purple armor....with the brown armor being a possible third or just an animation paint error....maybe the Macross Chronicle might have a definitive answer I think there actuallywas an issue that covered this topic...or we can simply summon... @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

"It's showtime!"

Anyway... I'm assuming this is with respect to the toy pictured on the previous page.  Those colors are very wrong indeed.

Using Macross Chronicle SDF:M TV Zentradi character sheet 03A and some accompanying screenshots as reference, the flexible material at the suit's joints is meant to be black which this toy got right.  Where the toy has dark purple, there's meant to be dark gray.  That weird maroon is supposed to be lavender.  The hip pouches and shoulder pads are meant to be brown not red, and the pouches themselves as well as the straps of the harness across the chest are meant to be a slightly blueish white or very light gray.  That little rectangular bit under the main part of the breastplate is meant to be the same color as the harness straps and belt pouches.  Those white patches on the shins and shoulders are not in the animation reference either.

[Big s]

2 hours ago, jvmacross said:

I think it is just green or purple armor....with the brown armor being a possible third or just an animation paint error....maybe the Macross Chronicle might have a definitive answer I think there actuallywas an issue that covered this topic...or we can simply summon... @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba @Seto Kaiba

From what I’ve found is it’s just Lavender for the light armor that this toy is,  and the green and brown are on the heavy armor. The brown heavy is a more common color and the green seems a bit more rare, like the set that Kamjin wears.

The brown heavy has a couple very iconic scenes like the dude that climbs out of the regult revealing the first look at a Zentraedi pilot. And the other very iconic brownie is the dead one holding the little doll.  It also seems to appear quite regularly throughout the series. I’m pretty sure that brown color was intentional on the heavy and not a mistake 

as far as reference material, I’d love to see some for these body armors, since most images on google just tend to be about the mecha rather than their pilots.

[Big s]

1 minute ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"It's showtime!"

Anyway... I'm assuming this is with respect to the toy pictured on the previous page.  Those colors are very wrong indeed.

Using Macross Chronicle SDF:M TV Zentradi character sheet 03A and some accompanying screenshots as reference, the flexible material at the suit's joints is meant to be black which this toy got right.  Where the toy has dark purple, there's meant to be dark gray.  That weird maroon is supposed to be lavender.  The hip pouches and shoulder pads are meant to be brown not red, and the pouches themselves as well as the straps of the harness across the chest are meant to be a slightly blueish white or very light gray.  That little rectangular bit under the main part of the breastplate is meant to be the same color as the harness straps and belt pouches.  Those white patches on the shins and shoulders are not in the animation reference either.

That’s basically what I was finding. Do you happen to know if there were alternate colors at all for the light armor, and if theyeven piloted a standard regult. From my basic google searches all I’ve found is one getting out of a scout and they usually are just foot soldiers or in scout craft and possibly gnerl fighters occasionally.

[jvmacross]

13 minutes ago, Big s said:

From what I’ve found is it’s just Lavender for the light armor that this toy is,  and the green and brown are on the heavy armor. The brown heavy is a more common color and the green seems a bit more rare, like the set that Kamjin wears.

The brown heavy has a couple very iconic scenes like the dude that climbs out of the regult revealing the first look at a Zentraedi pilot. And the other very iconic brownie is the dead one holding the little doll.  It also seems to appear quite regularly throughout the series. I’m pretty sure that brown color was intentional on the heavy and not a mistake 

as far as reference material, I’d love to see some for these body armors, since most images on google just tend to be about the mecha rather than their pilots.

Well, all I have for reference on what the colors used for the 'green' and 'brown' body armors are these cels....

Even if Cyrus got the colors right....based on his posts, he is doubling down on making them 'metallic' and insisting that they should be...so they would still look bad...

14 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"It's showtime!"

Anyway... I'm assuming this is with respect to the toy pictured on the previous page.  Those colors are very wrong indeed.

Using Macross Chronicle SDF:M TV Zentradi character sheet 03A and some accompanying screenshots as reference, the flexible material at the suit's joints is meant to be black which this toy got right.  Where the toy has dark purple, there's meant to be dark gray.  That weird maroon is supposed to be lavender.  The hip pouches and shoulder pads are meant to be brown not red, and the pouches themselves as well as the straps of the harness across the chest are meant to be a slightly blueish white or very light gray.  That little rectangular bit under the main part of the breastplate is meant to be the same color as the harness straps and belt pouches.  Those white patches on the shins and shoulders are not in the animation reference either.

Thanks.....did the Macross Chronicle provide any info on where the specifc armor colors were deployed...such as for Space or Ground missions?

[Shawn]

Doesn't one of these paint guides exist for the TV series?

yes one does...anyone have this?

[Big s]

35 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

Well, all I have for reference on what the colors used for the 'green' and 'brown' body armors are these cels....

Even if Cyrus got the colors right....based on his posts, he is doubling down on making them 'metallic' and insisting that they should be...so they would still look bad...

Thanks.....did the Macross Chronicle provide any info on where the specifc armor colors were deployed...such as for Space or Ground missions?

Problem there is that’s the wrong armor. The toy in question is the light armor. Those are both the heavy armor.

[jvmacross]

11 minutes ago, Big s said:

Problem there is that’s the wrong armor. The toy in question is the light armor. Those are both the heavy armor.

I just posted the cels for the color reference for the other armors...as I am sure KC will likely get those wrong too

[jvmacross]

1 hour ago, Shawn said:

Doesn't one of these paint guides exist for the TV series?

yes one does...anyone have this?

TIA #3....

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

Thanks.....did the Macross Chronicle provide any info on where the specifc armor colors were deployed...such as for Space or Ground missions?

Nope.  It repeats info from Perfect Memory and other books that the two models of space suit are the Type 6 armored space suit (worn by Quamzin and others) and the Type 8 general-use space suit.  The Type 6 armored suit is noted to be used by unit leaders and for armored units fighting in close combat.  The Type 8 suit is the standard one that we see most Zentradi pilots use, incl. the Regult pilot who transports Exsedol to the Macross in Ep26 of the original series.

Quamzin's Type 6 suit is noted to have different colors from the regular model, which has the same color palette as the Type 8 suit.

 

1 hour ago, Shawn said:

Doesn't one of these paint guides exist for the TV series?

 

yes one does...anyone have this?

Yeah, it's in a few artbooks.  This is Animation #3 page 69, for instance.

 

[Big s]

2 hours ago, jvmacross said:

I just posted the cels for the color reference for the other armors...as I am sure KC will likely get those wrong too

If they can’t even get lavender right, I doubt they can get that khaki brown right and they’ll probably be sparkly 

[Atomski]

Man, Cyrus is borderline arguing with folks in the comments on Kickstarter. He is very instant that the pink color is to guarantee success". What? !

[mechaninac]

31 minutes ago, Atomski said:

Man, Cyrus is borderline arguing with folks in the comments on Kickstarter. He is very instant that the pink color is to guarantee success". What? !

Why not?... It's worked swimmingly for Hollywood, comic books and the AAA gaming industries...  

[jvmacross]

9 hours ago, Big s said:

If they can’t even get lavender right, I doubt they can get that khaki brown right and they’ll probably be sparkly 

The sparkly is a given...his head canon has already claimed it as legit....oh well, we've only waited decades for a toy company to make Zentran figures...and now they are essentially just a 'modern' upgrade from the Matchbox figs, small and painted incorrectly to make it even more frustrating.....I suppose we shouldn't have expected any better...it is a Macross fan's lot in life to suffer...still, those with some painting skills will probably be able to at least fix the colors and make it look better....

[jvmacross]

1 hour ago, Atomski said:

Man, Cyrus is borderline arguing with folks in the comments on Kickstarter. He is very instant that the pink color is to guarantee success". What? !

Yeah, the optics are bad.....someone gave him some bad advice about Kickstarter....KC should have used Kickstarter as a way to raise funds for items that had potentially low demand....like 'side characters', optional paint schemes, etc.....on top of that, the only way a Kickstarter would have worked is if KC had a solid rep for delivering things on time...right now they are not doing that, thus making promises for more items on Kickstarter is a hard sell for them...

[tekering]

3 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

the only way a Kickstarter would have worked is if KC had a solid rep for delivering things on time...

Even then, it's a hard sell.  Robotech and Kickstarter have consistently proven to be a disastrous combination in the past. 🤕

[Big s]

16 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

The sparkly is a given...his head canon has already claimed it as legit....oh well, we've only waited decades for a toy company to make Zentran figures...and now they are essentially just a 'modern' upgrade from the Matchbox figs, small and painted incorrectly to make it even more frustrating.....I suppose we shouldn't have expected any better...it is a Macross fan's lot in life to suffer...still, those with some painting skills will probably be able to at least fix the colors and make it look better....

Matchbox was at least far closer to the right color, just still not in all the right spots and kinda ugly. Although fitting for the time

[jvmacross]

39 minutes ago, tekering said:

Even then, it's a hard sell.  Robotech and Kickstarter have consistently proven to be a disastrous combination in the past. 🤕

Lots of "ifs"...especially the part proving themselves to be consistent on their non-kickstarter stuff....but if all we were currently waiting on was the "missile attachment" regults and they had no other pending POs...I would have no reason to believe they would not be able to get enough support for, say, the Scout Regult....I do not see their stuff as merely "Robotech"....so those other "Robotech" Kickstarters are irrelevant to me because I had no interest in any of them...

[Atomski]

Several folks keep reiterating that it is too much and not enough time for folks to save up.  When I quoted $700 to $1000 (if they unlocked wave 2 and 3). He replied  "In reality, the cost for three vehicles and a set of figures is not necessarily $700; you may have made an error in your calculations. I appreciate your support, and I want to emphasize that the pricing for this Kickstarter is neither complicated nor expensive. "

I'm sorry, what? It's $764 for all 3 vehicles and the full set of figures with shipping. 

[sh9000]