borgified Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 I still have my Gamlin 22s in the box @Ignacio Ocamica and waiting for the DX YF-21 to be released so that the Yammie and the DX can sit on one display shelf and have Isamu somewhere in the background. 21 minutes ago, Knight26 said: De-limiter with limbs would still give a performance boost to the aerodynamic and structural limits, but de-limiter with limbs ejected would reduce the mass likely by half, or more, doubling the thrust to weight ratio and responsiveness of all other control systems. While I hate to argue with the MMM, I do question the source as canon or fanon in regards to the de-limiter mode. I wonder if the eventual DX will have the Delimiter as well like the Yammie version. Quote
sqidd Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 Looks to me like de-limiter mode (assuming the legs/arms drop off) is less aerodynamic than "limiter" mode is. Quote
Berkut Posted October 28, 2019 Author Posted October 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, sqidd said: Looks to me like de-limiter mode (assuming the legs/arms drop off) is less aerodynamic than "limiter" mode is. Delimiter mode is definitely a high drag design, however in aerodynamic world, anything can fly if the engine output is really strong (or crazy high) and control surfaces do work for all axis. In the case of the YF-21, the dual engine with paddle thrust (poor man's thrust vector) is actually really impressive. You can read more about this here on the F18 that had those or the X-31 : https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/how-things-work-thrust-vectoring-45338677/ Quote
Actar Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Regarding delimiter mode, I don't know how canon this is, but an attack animation from SRW Alpha does show him purging the limbs in fighter mode when activating it. Check out 40 seconds: Edited October 28, 2019 by Actar Quote
davidwhangchoi Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 20 hours ago, seti88 said: LOL 17 hours ago, no3Ljm said: Don't hit Isamu with 'numbers', David. Guld will surely attack him in Delimiter mode. Quote
sh9000 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 If the DX YF-21 will have Delimiter mode then I want a TWE DX X-9 Ghost. Quote
Actar Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, sh9000 said: If the DX YF-21 will have Delimiter mode then I want a TWE DX X-9 Ghost. I wouldn't be surprised if it were included as an accessory. Quote
Sanity is Optional Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 A 1/60 Ghost would be amazing, but I doubt it'll be an accessory, it's pretty big. Quote
Berkut Posted October 29, 2019 Author Posted October 29, 2019 47 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said: A 1/60 Ghost would be amazing, but I doubt it'll be an accessory, it's pretty big. I'm gonna say Premium Bandai (Tamashi Web Exclusive) right there lol. Quote
Lolicon Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Yeah the Ghost X-9 is actually pretty huge, not like later era ghosts which are much smaller. The X-9 is the size of a valkyrie. Quote
borgified Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 I'm going to guesstimate the possible DX YF-21 Full Set (is that the proper way of saying it?)… So far its Guld and his YF-21 (maybe the delimiter will be implemented in which is known at this point), various missiles from @valhary's post from page 7 (via Macross Master File), fold booster (from Episode 3 in which he goes after Isamu), couple of guns/phasers (a la Yammie VF-22s. How is it going to attach it to the underbelly of the valk leaving room for the legs and the body plates is another question), the effect pieces and the valk attachments/stand. Will implement 3 tiered packaging (like the DX YF-19 Full Set) with the artwork of the YF-21 on the top slip cover. Hopefully that the antenna doesn't snap in two when the plastic clam shell is put on top. Quote
jenius Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 My guess: YF-21 Guld pilot figure Attachments for fold booster (fold booster not included) 2x guns DX Display stand and adapters 5x pairs of fixed posed hands Later we'll get TWE Super Parts Fold drive Gray guns You know what they should have done? Not included super parts with either toy and then released a Ghost toy that came with super parts and fold drives for the YF-21 and YF-19. Quote
monkeyface Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better. I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen. 1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art. Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there 2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art 3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 5. Add some wing hard points for missiles 6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack 7. Wider nose like Yamato. 8. Lose yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO 9. Rear engine not as tall in profile Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect. Edited October 29, 2019 by monkeyface Missing info added Quote
Negotiator Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 after comparing the to the originals, ya, i could agree with those tweaks. Quote
Berkut Posted October 29, 2019 Author Posted October 29, 2019 Also the rear of the cockpit yellow band needs to be pointed or tapered. Its currently rounded which is incorrect. Quote
seti88 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Nice compilation of the TN YF-21 pics in one page, the enlarging pic on mouseover brings up the hype even more. http://www.gokin.it/2019/10/25/mostre-e-eventi-tn2019-dx-chogokin-yf-21-macross-plus/ Anyway, just noticed the kite in outline on the wing underside...probably a prototype tampo? Looks cool in a way.... Quote
Actar Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 8 hours ago, jenius said: My guess: YF-21 Guld pilot figure Attachments for fold booster (fold booster not included) 2x guns DX Display stand and adapters 5x pairs of fixed posed hands Later we'll get TWE Super Parts Fold drive Gray guns You know what they should have done? Not included super parts with either toy and then released a Ghost toy that came with super parts and fold drives for the YF-21 and YF-19. Hm... I doubt they'll leave out the Super Parts, seeing that the YF-19 came with them and a Fold Booster. 6 hours ago, monkeyface said: Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better. I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen. 1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art. Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there 2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art 3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 5. Add some wing hard points for missiles 6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack 7. Wider nose like Yamato. 8. Low yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO 9. Rear engine not as tall in profile Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect. These look amazing. But what are the chances they'll make these improvements/changes? Quote
Sildani Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Just noticed the main landing gear door in the wing root - that’s gonna be tall. Quote
Mog Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 7 hours ago, monkeyface said: I’m sure there’s other tweaks you did to the photo above, but this is what I’ve been harping about. See how much better looking the bellyplates/hip guards look with some added length? The battroid just looks “right” and tied together now. The bellyplates don’t have to be “Yamato long,” but they look like they can reach the lower portions of the leg’s black trim in the photo above. One other way Bandai can outdo the Yamato is to make the joint strong so the hip guards can be posed at a variety of different angles. Quote
seti88 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Could it be that the lower belly plate slides into the front belly plate, and so the length can be adjusted? Tho, i hope the lower belly plate doesnt end up all loose and slide all over the place, if so. Quote
Mog Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, seti88 said: Could it be that the lower belly plate slides into the front belly plate, and so the length can be adjusted? Tho, i hope the lower belly plate doesnt end up all loose and slide all over the place, if so. Occam’s razor. Borrowing the pic @enphily posted earlier, you can see exactly where that back third of the bellyplates goes in battroid: My photo-editing is a little sloppy and fat-fingered on a smartphone, so apologies if the red stuff above looks harsh. Quote
DYRL VF-1S Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, moose said: Are the preorders up yet Yup. You missed out. I keed I keed. But...if you have to ask then they didn't happen or wasn't announced. This thread will be lit when it's announced. Quote
Actar Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 If this follows the release schedule of the previous DX Chogokins, it should see a release next year, right? Quote
borgified Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 If your guess is correct @Actar, then maybe it will follow behind the DX YF-19 Full Set pre-orders, however there is tweeks to be done on this display copy before the actual pre-orders get posted on the web pages. Quote
seti88 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Mog said: Occam’s razor. Borrowing the pic @enphily posted earlier, you can see exactly where that back third of the bellyplates goes in battroid: My photo-editing is a little sloppy and fat-fingered on a smartphone, so apologies if the red stuff above looks harsh. I see it now. So is the question also whether the lower belly plate folds open or slides open for the legs to pop out? Edited October 29, 2019 by seti88 Quote
Chronocidal Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, seti88 said: I see it now. So is the question also whether the lower belly plate folds open or slides open for the legs to pop out? Don't believe there's any question about it at all. The only way those legs are going to be able to fit in there is if the entire belly opens up. Exactly how they open is up for grabs, but folding outward seems the most likely option, since they look connected to the big plates alongside the exhaust ducts. Quote
TrickyCustomer Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Curious to see how they attach the twin gunpods to it underneath. Personally, I don't think it would make sense for it to have hard points on the wings. Warping control surfaces and onboard micro missile launchers take care of that. If they could make an attachable launched missile streaming effect like this though, I'd be all for it. Think one of the vf-1 models/toys have something similar like it already. Quote
Knight26 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 In the battroid pics you can see some notches in the belly plates, could be for the gunpod(s) Quote
TrickyCustomer Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Knight26 said: In the battroid pics you can see some notches in the belly plates, could be for the gunpod(s) Ah yes, damn my eyes! Quote
Chronocidal Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, TrickyCustomer said: I'll be curious to see this view of if. The spacing on the engines here is clearly a lot wider than the pics we've seen. Quote
borgified Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 8 hours ago, seti88 said: Anyway, just noticed the kite in outline on the wing underside...probably a prototype tampo? Looks cool in a way.... It actually reminds me of the Ferengi Alliance from Star Trek Quote
aurance Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, monkeyface said: Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better. I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen. 1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art. Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there 2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art 3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 5. Add some wing hard points for missiles 6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack 7. Wider nose like Yamato. 8. Lose yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO 9. Rear engine not as tall in profile Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect. You know what, I really like it as it is (still gonna buy the heck out of this thing), but I do agree your changes would make it nicer. Edited October 29, 2019 by aurance too big Quote
monkeyface Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 I’m getting it regardless but nothing is worse than getting this close to perfection and then just overlooking small aesthetic details that add up to make a big difference. Quote
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