Bandai 1/60 DX Chogokin Macross Plus YF-21

[borgified]

I still have my Gamlin 22s in the box @Ignacio Ocamica and waiting for the DX YF-21 to be released so that the Yammie and the DX can sit on one display shelf and have Isamu somewhere in the background.

21 minutes ago, Knight26 said:

De-limiter with limbs would still give a performance boost to the aerodynamic and structural limits, but de-limiter with limbs ejected would reduce the mass likely by half, or more, doubling the thrust to weight ratio and responsiveness of all other control systems.  While I hate to argue with the MMM, I do question the source as canon or fanon in regards to the de-limiter mode.

I wonder if the eventual DX will have the Delimiter as well like the Yammie version.   

[sqidd]

Looks to me like de-limiter mode (assuming the legs/arms drop off) is less aerodynamic than "limiter" mode is.

[Berkut]

41 minutes ago, sqidd said:

Looks to me like de-limiter mode (assuming the legs/arms drop off) is less aerodynamic than "limiter" mode is.

Delimiter mode is definitely a high drag design, however in aerodynamic world, anything can fly if the engine output is really strong (or crazy high) and control surfaces do work for all axis. In the case of the YF-21, the dual engine with paddle thrust (poor man's thrust vector) is actually really impressive. You can read more about this here on the F18 that had those or the X-31 : https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/how-things-work-thrust-vectoring-45338677/ 

[Actar]

Regarding delimiter mode, I don't know how canon this is, but an attack animation from SRW Alpha does show him purging the limbs in fighter mode when activating it. Check out 40 seconds:

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Actar

[davidwhangchoi]

20 hours ago, seti88 said:

LOL 

17 hours ago, no3Ljm said:

Don't hit Isamu with 'numbers', David. Guld will surely attack him in Delimiter mode.

[sh9000]

If the DX YF-21 will have Delimiter mode then I want a TWE DX X-9 Ghost.

[Actar]

6 minutes ago, sh9000 said:

If the DX YF-21 will have Delimiter mode then I want a TWE DX X-9 Ghost.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were included as an accessory.

[Sanity is Optional]

A 1/60 Ghost would be amazing, but I doubt it'll be an accessory, it's pretty big.

[Berkut]

47 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said:

A 1/60 Ghost would be amazing, but I doubt it'll be an accessory, it's pretty big.

I'm gonna say Premium Bandai (Tamashi Web Exclusive) right there lol.

[Lolicon]

Yeah the Ghost X-9 is actually pretty huge, not like later era ghosts which are much smaller. The X-9 is the size of a valkyrie. 

[aurance]

I’ll paint out Guld’s eyeballs.

[borgified]

I'm going to guesstimate the possible DX YF-21 Full Set (is that the proper way of saying it?)…

So far its Guld and his YF-21 (maybe the delimiter will be implemented in which is known at this point), various missiles from @valhary's post from page 7 (via Macross Master File), fold booster (from Episode 3 in which he goes after Isamu), couple of guns/phasers (a la Yammie VF-22s. How is it going to attach it to the underbelly of the valk leaving room for the legs and the body plates is another question), the effect pieces and the valk attachments/stand. 

Will implement 3 tiered packaging (like the DX YF-19 Full Set) with the artwork of the YF-21 on the top slip cover. Hopefully that the antenna doesn't snap in two when the plastic clam shell is put on top.     

[jenius]

My guess:

YF-21
Guld pilot figure
Attachments for fold booster (fold booster not included)
2x guns
DX Display stand and adapters
5x pairs of fixed posed hands

Later we'll get
TWE Super Parts
Fold drive
Gray guns

You know what they should have done? Not included super parts with either toy and then released a Ghost toy that came with super parts and fold drives for the YF-21 and YF-19. 

[monkeyface]

 Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better.  I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen.

 

1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art.  Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there  

2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art

3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 

4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 

5. Add some wing  hard points for missiles

6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack

7. Wider nose like Yamato. 

8. Lose yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO

9. Rear engine not as tall in profile  

Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect.

Edited October 29, 2019 by monkeyface
Missing info added

[Negotiator]

after comparing the to the originals, ya, i could agree with those tweaks.

[Berkut]

Also the rear of the cockpit yellow band needs to be pointed or tapered. Its currently rounded which is incorrect.

[seti88]

Nice compilation of the TN YF-21 pics in one page, the enlarging pic on mouseover brings up the hype even more.

http://www.gokin.it/2019/10/25/mostre-e-eventi-tn2019-dx-chogokin-yf-21-macross-plus/

Anyway, just noticed the kite in outline on the wing underside...probably a prototype tampo? Looks cool in a way....

[Actar]

8 hours ago, jenius said:

My guess:

YF-21
Guld pilot figure
Attachments for fold booster (fold booster not included)
2x guns
DX Display stand and adapters
5x pairs of fixed posed hands

Later we'll get
TWE Super Parts
Fold drive
Gray guns

You know what they should have done? Not included super parts with either toy and then released a Ghost toy that came with super parts and fold drives for the YF-21 and YF-19. 

Hm... I doubt they'll leave out the Super Parts, seeing that the YF-19 came with them and a Fold Booster. 

6 hours ago, monkeyface said:

 Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better.  I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen.

 

1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art.  Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there  

2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art

3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 

4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 

5. Add some wing  hard points for missiles

6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack

7. Wider nose like Yamato. 

8. Low yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO

9. Rear engine not as tall in profile  

Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect.

These look amazing. But what are the chances they'll make these improvements/changes?

[Sildani]

Just noticed the main landing gear door in the wing root - that’s gonna be tall. 

[Mog]

7 hours ago, monkeyface said:

 

I’m sure there’s other tweaks you did to the photo above, but this is what I’ve been harping about.

See how much better looking the bellyplates/hip guards look with some added length?

The battroid just looks “right” and tied together now.

The bellyplates don’t have to be “Yamato long,” but they look like they can reach the lower portions of the leg’s black trim in the photo above.

One other way Bandai can outdo the Yamato is to make the joint strong so the hip guards can be posed at a variety of different angles.

[seti88]

Could it be that the lower belly plate slides into the front belly plate, and so the length can be adjusted? Tho, i hope the lower belly plate doesnt end up all loose and slide all over the place, if so.

[moose]

Are the preorders up yet

[Mog]

23 minutes ago, seti88 said:

Could it be that the lower belly plate slides into the front belly plate, and so the length can be adjusted? Tho, i hope the lower belly plate doesnt end up all loose and slide all over the place, if so.

Occam’s razor.

Borrowing the pic @enphily posted earlier, you can see exactly where that back third of the bellyplates goes in battroid:

My photo-editing is a little sloppy and fat-fingered on a smartphone, so apologies if the red stuff above looks harsh.

[DYRL VF-1S]

40 minutes ago, moose said:

Are the preorders up yet

Yup.  You missed out.

 

 

I keed I keed.  But...if you have to ask then they didn't happen or wasn't announced.  This thread will be lit when it's announced.

[Actar]

If this follows the release schedule of the previous DX Chogokins, it should see a release next year, right?

[borgified]

If your guess is correct @Actar, then maybe it will follow behind the DX YF-19 Full Set pre-orders, however there is tweeks to be done on this display copy before the actual pre-orders get posted on the web pages. 

[seti88]

59 minutes ago, Mog said:

Occam’s razor.

Borrowing the pic @enphily posted earlier, you can see exactly where that back third of the bellyplates goes in battroid:

My photo-editing is a little sloppy and fat-fingered on a smartphone, so apologies if the red stuff above looks harsh.

I see it now. So is the question also whether the lower belly plate folds open or slides open for the legs to pop out?

 

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by seti88

[Chronocidal]

1 hour ago, seti88 said:

I see it now. So is the question also whether the lower belly plate folds open or slides open for the legs to pop out?

Don't believe there's any question about it at all.  The only way those legs are going to be able to fit in there is if the entire belly opens up.  Exactly how they open is up for grabs, but folding outward seems the most likely option, since they look connected to the big plates alongside the exhaust ducts.

[TrickyCustomer]

Curious to see how they attach the twin gunpods to it underneath. Personally, I don't think it would make sense for it to have hard points on the wings. Warping control surfaces and onboard micro missile launchers take care of that. If they could make an attachable launched missile streaming effect like this though, I'd be all for it. Think one of the vf-1 models/toys have something similar like it already. 

 

[Knight26]

In the battroid pics you can see some notches in the belly plates, could be for the gunpod(s)

[TrickyCustomer]

5 minutes ago, Knight26 said:

In the battroid pics you can see some notches in the belly plates, could be for the gunpod(s)

Ah yes, damn my eyes! 

[Chronocidal]

43 minutes ago, TrickyCustomer said:

I'll be curious to see this view of if.  The spacing on the engines here is clearly a lot wider than the pics we've seen.

[borgified]

8 hours ago, seti88 said:

Anyway, just noticed the kite in outline on the wing underside...probably a prototype tampo? Looks cool in a way....

It actually reminds me of the Ferengi Alliance from Star Trek 

 

[aurance]

14 hours ago, monkeyface said:

 Loving this design but some things were rubbing me the wrong way. Did some drawovers/photoshop on things I feel like would make this look better.  I feel like these are reasonable adjustments that should be able to happen.

 

1. Hide the hinge on rear stabilizers like the Yamato by following line art.  Seriously nobody wants to see a hinge there  

2. Match the angles on the belly doors closer to line art

3.thicken up shoulders and upper arms 

4.curve back of ankles more to look less like a Clydesdale 

5. Add some wing  hard points for missiles

6. Bigger hands like Uncle Jack

7. Wider nose like Yamato. 

8. Lose yellow lines on Lowe legs. Just feels a bit much IMO

9. Rear engine not as tall in profile  

Anyways hopefully some of you agree with me. This is my favorite jet and this crap needs to be perfect.

You know what, I really like it as it is (still gonna buy the heck out of this thing), but I do agree your changes would make it nicer.

Edited October 29, 2019 by aurance
too big

[monkeyface]

I’m getting it regardless but nothing is worse than getting this close to perfection and then just overlooking small aesthetic details that add up to make a big difference.