Macross Delta Zettai Live!!!!!! - Available on Blu-ray Sept 28, 2022

[RedWolf]

Just now, Dressykamila1 said:

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Do Yami Q Re have physical bodies or are they just holograms?

 

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Siren was a single singing AI that split itself into Yami_Q_Ray so that she can counter Walkure.

 

[Dressykamila1]

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So she was such a computer -AI? So how come the baby was taken out later? and Is Mirage with Hayate or has he become a single father?

I am surprised that there are no leaks (pictures of the cinema screen). In my country, the entire movie would be already online XD

[Dressykamila1]

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Z tego, co widziałem w zwiastunach, ruiny filmu MF bardzo przypominają ludzkie antyczne, a nawet średniowieczne budowle. Może jakaś grupa protokultury miała w tamtych czasach kontakt z ludźmi?

 

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[pengbuzz]

6 hours ago, charles88 said:

Man its really hard to topple YF-29 Durandal as most powerful VF. Even Sv-303 couldnt beat it. I wonder what Kawamori gonna take to make VF that surpass YF-29

The thing is: there has to be a purpose to the craft. Just making a "better-performing fighter" is only going to go so far before that performance is going to exclude most of the pilots out there (think YF-19). A  main fighter isn't going to be so "main" if 95% of your forces cannot fly it, which negates much the value of the fighter in the first place. What role will this fighter be filling

Another issue that is similar to that is theater: you have to consider where and when that fighter will be used. A multi-role fighter can do several things well because those things it can do well ll run on some similar (or at least reusable) lines. A fighter doing bombing duty or EWACS is one example , while a craft like a transport also doubling as a gunship when needed is another. But some craft are going to be specialists by nature (such as stealth IRL) due to how differently they need to operate in order to perform their task.

Finally, there is maintenance: "high performance" often means expensive parts, fuels, lubricants, and consumables, along with special tools, equipment, techniques and training for attached personnel (for . Higher stresses mean higher demands, which also mean higher amounts of ensuring the craft is flyable. Current modern fighter jets require inspection before and after every flight, with something like 8-20 hours of ground maintenance for every hour of flight time, depending on how high-tech the fighter is.

And that's just a regular fighter that DOESN'T transform!

Even given the ultra-durable materials and such that Overtechnology provides, those materials still have limits. And the onboard computers, wiring, fasteners, screws, etc. all need checking and maintenance as well. Now add in the cryogenic fuels that VF's tend to use, and you now have to check the metal for signs of fatigue from repeated heating and cooling.

And all of this has to be done by qualified crews who are trained and certified on these craft.

So at this point, if Kawamori comes up with something, it's going to probably have a more expanded multi-role fighter profile, rather than being able to peel an orange during a strafing run of 2 feet above sea level just by flying over it.

 

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, Bolt said:

Why do we need a more powerful VF ? There are now several very interesting VF designs in play. 

As I said to him in the Mecha thread, I very much doubt that the VF-31AX is able to rival the YF-29 let alone exceed it.

The VF-31 Custom Siegfried was already pushing the limits of what the VF-31's airframe could handle, to the extent that Hayate's needed serious TLC from the Aether's mechanics every time it sortied due to his rough handling of it.  He even got chastised for it by Makina of all people.  That was with an custom airframe they had TIME to seriously retrofit and redesign to handle the greater stresses of the still-heavily-detuned FF-3001/FC2 engines and simplified Fold Wave System.

The VF-31A Custom "Kairos Plus" is...

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... an improvised customization done in the field under considerably tighter constraints of time and resources and stock VF-31A Kairos airframes.

As such, I'd be VERY surprised if it was actually a significant improvement over the Siegfried type.  

I strongly suspect the notion that the VF-31AX is the new most-uber VF is just wishful thinking on someone's part.

 

 

3 hours ago, RedWolf said:

I must say Xaos or rather Lady M must have extensive financial resource and influence to recruit characters we've known. Somehow Aisha Blanchett was poached from SMS. Elma Hoiley who had a singing career is a biologist working for Xaos.

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They even got Max and Exsedol out of retirement.

 

It's definitely inconsistent across the Delta materials.  In the TV series and first movie, Xaos was all but broke after being run out of the Brisingr cluster.  They were so strapped for cash that they noted they couldn't afford to replenish their fuel and ammunition.

I'd assume Aisha Blanchett wasn't poached from SMS at all.  She was working for SMS because Richard Bilra was ready, willing, and able to put up the gargantuan sums of cash needed for her to develop her ideal next-generation VF and the Fold Dimensional Resonance system.  Once the YF-30's development ended with successful demonstration of the Fold Dimensional Resonance system she wouldn't have had much reason to stay.  Her reason for moving to the Brisingr cluster would be pretty obvious: her baby, the YF-30, was licensed for further development into a mass production aircraft.  Elma Hoyly no doubt jumped for research funding, since Xaos was interested in researching fold songs and her area of expertise as the protege of Dr. Lawrence was biological fold waves.

Why Max is half a galaxy away from the last known position of City 7 is a mystery all on its own.  I assume the writers simply wanted an actually-likeable character.

 

1 hour ago, seti88 said:

Maybe its the pilot behind the vf that counts, not the vf. Or it could be a kawaii chick singing to the pilot that gives him the ultimate piloting skills to pilot a vf that he just sat into. Wait. What.

Oh, it absolutely is... like how Mariafokina Barnrose in a VF-1 spanked Aegis Focker in a VF-19A.

Hayate's got raw talent but little experience, so he seems to be getting most of his survivability from the potentially lethal fold song bullet time Freyja's songs put him into.  If he's not careful, he'll die exactly the same way Messer did... roided out on Var syndrome until his body just tears itself apart.

 

4 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

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Czy Yami Q Re ma ciała fizyczne, czy to tylko hologramy?

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I wonder how old Ranka is now

 

Ranka Lee's date of birth is 29 April 2043, so she would be 25 years old at the time of Absolute Live!!!!!!.

[Rock]

Macross F Labyrinth of Time Question

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So can anyone confirm the plot? To my understanding the 14min short follows MacrossF: Wings of Goodbye's ending where Sheryl is in a coma and Alto is folded away with the Varja Queen. I'm told that in the video Ranke sense Alto and then goes exploring some ruin while singing and thinking about Sheryl and Alto...

Is that it? A music video with nothing advancing the character's stories? No further Delta tie-in other than the YF-29 being used by Max?

 

[RedWolf]

3 hours ago, Rock said:

Macross F Labyrinth of Time Question

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So can anyone confirm the plot? To my understanding the 14min short follows MacrossF: Wings of Goodbye's ending where Sheryl is in a coma and Alto is folded away with the Varja Queen. I'm told that in the video Ranke sense Alto and then goes exploring some ruin while singing and thinking about Sheryl and Alto...

Is that it? A music video with nothing advancing the character's stories? No further Delta tie-in other than the YF-29 being used by Max?

 

From what  I heard at least the Macross  Delta Zettai Live plot is important to that short.

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Opening the Super Fold Gates allows Alto to come home. 

 

[charles88]

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Based what Seto says about AI and Cybernetic research in NUNS, Most likely Cromwell wants to lessen regulation or completely deregulate AI and Cybernetic/Cyborg research. What do you guys think what will happen in future of Macross verse if Cromwell got what he wanted other than possible his homeworld being saved ?

 

[RedWolf]

AI and cybernetics are still a thing. El in Macross Musiculture is an android called a Cyberoid. Various characters like Jan Neumann and Aisha Blanchet have implants.

The law seems to lean on possibly sapient military AI should be shackled. At least self aware AI should not have military hardware  like Bio-Neural chips. Frontier Fleet is one of the extreme cases where cybernetic implants are banned.

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What Cromwell  is advocating is getting rid of the FDA and the like. Damn the safeties. 

Also the guy sounds like a conspiracy theorist . I am sure the guy is with same circles as Berger Stone who makes a conspiracy theories like Mikumo is an android. 

 

[kajnrig]

I've asked before where the YF-30 sits in the VF supremacy hierarchy, but I either forgot or never got a satisfactory answer. It makes sense that, out of all the other VFs fashioned after the original VF-24(YF-24???), the YF-29 is the top dog save for maybe the -24 itself, but wasn't the YF-30 even a step beyond the -29, so far on the bleeding edge of fold quartz tech that it directly/indirectly causes the time travel shenanigans of Macross 30?

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, pengbuzz said:

The thing is: there has to be a purpose to the craft. Just making a "better-performing fighter" is only going to go so far before that performance is going to exclude most of the pilots out there (think YF-19). A  main fighter isn't going to be so "main" if 95% of your forces cannot fly it, which negates much the value of the fighter in the first place. [...]

Not to mention cost... if you develop a bleeding edge next-generation fighter that requires vast amounts of exotic materials that can't be synthesized like fold quartz, you've just wasted your time designing something you can never actually build.  If it hadn't been for the war with the Vajra, the YF-29 would likely have never seen the light of day...

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... and the VF-31AX is likely to be similarly impossible to mass produce if it requires large quantities of fold quartz.  Until the New UN Government finds a way to improve the synthesis process to make fold quartz instead of just fold carbon, the sheer quantity of fold quartz necessary to make even the watered-down fold wave system used on the Siegfried will inevitably preclude building them in numbers.

 

53 minutes ago, charles88 said:

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Based what Seto says about AI and Cybernetic research in NUNS, Most likely Cromwell wants to lessen regulation or completely deregulate AI and Cybernetic/Cyborg research. What do you guys think what will happen in future of Macross verse if Cromwell got what he wanted other than possible his homeworld being saved ?

 

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That's where Cromwell and co.'s motive doesn't make sense...

Prior to Absolute Live!!!!!! there was no indication that there was any kind of preemptive restrictions or deliberate efforts to curtail the development of AI and cybernetics.  The few restrictions ever mentioned were ones imposed in the wake of situations where new technology had Gone Horribly Wrong in the public forum like ban on self-aware virtuoids and restrictions imposed on fully-autonomous unmanned fighters in the wake of the Sharon Apple Incident.  It's not like having a fully-autonomous AI would make the AIF-7 or previous models of Ghost that much better... it would just let them prioritize targets faster without a human controller having to OK target parameters.

 

 

4 minutes ago, kajnrig said:

I've asked before where the YF-30 sits in the VF supremacy hierarchy, but I either forgot or never got a satisfactory answer. It makes sense that, out of all the other VFs fashioned after the original VF-24(YF-24???), the YF-29 is the top dog save for maybe the -24 itself, but wasn't the YF-30 even a step beyond the -29, so far on the bleeding edge of fold quartz tech that it directly/indirectly causes the time travel shenanigans of Macross 30?

It's a "depends how you want to look at it" situation.

The YF-29 is designed for combat, where the YF-30 is a technology demonstrator.  The YF-30 is faster and more agile than the YF-29 thanks to its more powerful engines and its better thrust-to-weight ratio, but the YF-29 is way more heavily armed and possibly more heavily armored too.

(The time travel shenanigans in Macross 30 were the fault of the Fold Evil that the Protoculture created, then sealed on the planet.)

[charles88]

12 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

13 hours ago, charles88 said:

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Based what Seto says about AI and Cybernetic research in NUNS, Most likely Cromwell wants to lessen regulation or completely deregulate AI and Cybernetic/Cyborg research. What do you guys think what will happen in future of Macross verse if Cromwell got what he wanted other than possible his homeworld being saved ?

 

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That's where Cromwell and co.'s motive doesn't make sense...

Prior to Absolute Live!!!!!! there was no indication that there was any kind of preemptive restrictions or deliberate efforts to curtail the development of AI and cybernetics.  The few restrictions ever mentioned were ones imposed in the wake of situations where new technology had Gone Horribly Wrong in the public forum like ban on self-aware virtuoids and restrictions imposed on fully-autonomous unmanned fighters in the wake of the Sharon Apple Incident.  It's not like having a fully-autonomous AI would make the AIF-7 or previous models of Ghost that much better... it would just let them prioritize targets faster without a human controller having to OK target parameters.

 

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Err Cromwell wanted to completely deregulate AI and Cybernetic research into military which means no oversight and no restriction at all  which means some illegal AI chip and implant will become legal if Cromwell have his way

 

Like Red wolf says, Cromwell is a frakking Conspiracy Theorist that thinks Lady M is the NUNG deep state blaming her for blocking AI and cybernetics progression when there is evidence contrary to his theory.

The Bio-Neural chip was banned or at least restricted as it tends to make AI prioritize self-preservation. It's like KARR in Knight Rider. Then Sharon Apple happened. Military AI that is sapient is illegal. However civilian AI such Cyberoids are legal. They do use AI but not sapient for military applications. Besides Sharon Apple there is Manfred Brando who died in VF-X2 but uploaded himself as an AI. He was part of the Macross Galaxy conspiracy. In a Macross Frontier drama CD Lufa created AI based on the personality of his friends yet they are stable. NUNS and SMS uses AI but they are shackled as they are not stupid.

As for cybernetics it is legal as certain characters like Jan Neumann and Aisha Blanchet have them but it is in certain states like Frontier where it is banned. It is less about putting down progress but discouraging espionage and human rights violations that Macross Galaxy. Plus cybernetic implants can be a backdoor for mind control.

So I think Lady M is less the one secretly in control of the galaxy but is a Think Tank stuck in a Fold Fault. Time is relatively different there that perhaps it is receiving and sending data that breaks causality.

 

Some people jump to conclusion  that Megaroad 01 aka Lady M is villain which is NOT as Delta movie 2 the one behind Star Singer cell theft was rogue NUNS agent hired by Eplison Foundation. The Reason that Xaos and Lady M Star Singer clone aka Mikumo BECAUSE Wright , Special NUNS agent employed by Lady M stop further theft from NUNS rogue agent and Johan, Wright best friend and high priest decided to GIVE complete Star Singer to Wright as he trusted Wright and Lady M will make good use of the cell for benefit of all people and prevent Rogue agent steal again. That why Star singer in Siren system have to mix with cyborg and AI similar to Sharon Apple as Star singer they stole were incomplete.

 

To make more clearly, Lady M /Megaroad 1 did not become villain and Delta movie 2 debunked it,

 

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[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, charles88 said:

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Err Cromwell wanted to completely deregulate AI and Cybernetic research into military which means no oversight and no restriction at all  which means some illegal AI chip and implant will become legal if Cromwell have his way

 

Like Red wolf says, Cromwell is a frakking Conspiracy Theorist that thinks Lady M is the NUNG deep state blaming her for blocking AI and cybernetics progression when there is evidence contrary to his theory.

 

Given how little sense it makes, I strongly suspect that the antagonist's motive is being distorted somewhat in these spoiler posts...

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Mind you, if this new paramilitary organization "Heimdall" has it in for Lady M because she's a shadowy corporate CEO who wields inappropriate influence in both the New UN Government and New UN Forces... that's perfectly sensible.

After all, at the time this movie is set it hasn't even been twenty years since there was a brief but furious civil war in the New UN Government to oust a fascist movement that was trying to seize control over the New UN Government and had infiltrated the leadership of the elite VF-X Special Forces in order to use them to suppress dissenting voices among the emigrant governments.

A corporate CEO should not be dictating military policy the way Lady M is shown to do in the Macross Delta series.  Nor, for that matter, should they be ruling the government of a New UN Gov't member state from the shadows (like Richard Bilra) or openly (like Macross Galaxy).  Lady M endangered over 8 billion people through her interference in the internal affairs of the Brisingr globular cluster that led to twenty inhabited planets being conquered by a hostile power.  Richard Bilra put over 10 million people in mortal peril in pursuit of his dream of finding a way to overcome fold faults so he could go looking for the long-vanished Lynn Minmay.  The Galaxy fleet executives enslaved their fleet's entire populaton, committed many horrific crimes, and then got most of them killed fighting the Vajra in an attempt to declare themselves the rulers of the galaxy. 

If Heimdall is all about stopping that, then they could make an impressive claim to being the good guys.

 

Hopefully direct sources will offer greater clarity as to their actual motives.

 

 

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2 hours ago, charles88 said:

Some people jump to conclusion  that Megaroad 01 aka Lady M is villain which is NOT as Delta movie 2 the one behind Star Singer cell theft was rogue NUNS agent hired by Eplison Foundation. The Reason that Xaos and Lady M Star Singer clone aka Mikumo BECAUSE Wright , Special NUNS agent employed by Lady M stop further theft from NUNS rogue agent and Johan, Wright best friend and high priest decided to GIVE complete Star Singer to Wright as he trusted Wright and Lady M will make good use of the cell for benefit of all people and prevent Rogue agent steal again. That why Star singer in Siren system have to mix with cyborg and AI similar to Sharon Apple as Star singer they stole were incomplete.

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Wright's friend doesn't seem to have had the Windermerean government's approval to give those relics to Lady M, so she's still guilty of receiving stolen cultural relics.

Not to mention her decision to try and illegally clone a Star Singer ultimately nearly condemned the entire galaxy to mind control.

Even if she means well, she's demonstrably and objectively a criminal.

 

[pengbuzz]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Given how little sense it makes, I strongly suspect that the antagonist's motive is being distorted somewhat in these spoiler posts...

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Mind you, if this new paramilitary organization "Heimdall" has it in for Lady M because she's a shadowy corporate CEO who wields inappropriate influence in both the New UN Government and New UN Forces... that's perfectly sensible.

After all, at the time this movie is set it hasn't even been twenty years since there was a brief but furious civil war in the New UN Government to oust a fascist movement that was trying to seize control over the New UN Government and had infiltrated the leadership of the elite VF-X Special Forces in order to use them to suppress dissenting voices among the emigrant governments.

A corporate CEO should not be dictating military policy the way Lady M is shown to do in the Macross Delta series.  Nor, for that matter, should they be ruling the government of a New UN Gov't member state from the shadows (like Richard Bilra) or openly (like Macross Galaxy).  Lady M endangered over 8 billion people through her interference in the internal affairs of the Brisingr globular cluster that led to twenty inhabited planets being conquered by a hostile power.  Richard Bilra put over 10 million people in mortal peril in pursuit of his dream of finding a way to overcome fold faults so he could go looking for the long-vanished Lynn Minmay.  The Galaxy fleet executives enslaved their fleet's entire populaton, committed many horrific crimes, and then got most of them killed fighting the Vajra in an attempt to declare themselves the rulers of the galaxy. 

If Heimdall is all about stopping that, then they could make an impressive claim to being the good guys.

 

Hopefully direct sources will offer greater clarity as to their actual motives.

 

 

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Wright's friend doesn't seem to have had the Windermerean government's approval to give those relics to Lady M, so she's still guilty of receiving stolen cultural relics.

Not to mention her decision to try and illegally clone a Star Singer ultimately nearly condemned the entire galaxy to mind control.

Even if she means well, she's demonstrably and objectively a criminal.

 

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Is it just me, or with all the PMC's running around, is Macross starting to resemble  a bit more than it should?

 

[Bolt]

Where the hell is NUNS in all this?

[NightmarePlus]

So was the Brisingr Alliance involved at all in the movie?

[RedWolf]

2 hours ago, Bolt said:

Where the hell is NUNS in all this?

Well NUNS having too much at its plate at the moment is the reason it chose peace with Windermere in the last movie  rather than bombing it to the stone age. Windermere is in the middle of a Fold Fault region.

I imagine  Windermere  did not sign the Mutual Defense Treaty they were complaining about. Why should NUNS be obligated  to save them?

[Bolt]

It's strongly implied that this issue may affect the Galaxy( or at least the future of NUNS)  . One would think that NUNS might want to have a hand to play at the table..

Regardless of treaty or no..

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[darkranger12]

5 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Given how little sense it makes, I strongly suspect that the antagonist's motive is being distorted somewhat in these spoiler posts...

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Mind you, if this new paramilitary organization "Heimdall" has it in for Lady M because she's a shadowy corporate CEO who wields inappropriate influence in both the New UN Government and New UN Forces... that's perfectly sensible.

After all, at the time this movie is set it hasn't even been twenty years since there was a brief but furious civil war in the New UN Government to oust a fascist movement that was trying to seize control over the New UN Government and had infiltrated the leadership of the elite VF-X Special Forces in order to use them to suppress dissenting voices among the emigrant governments.

A corporate CEO should not be dictating military policy the way Lady M is shown to do in the Macross Delta series.  Nor, for that matter, should they be ruling the government of a New UN Gov't member state from the shadows (like Richard Bilra) or openly (like Macross Galaxy).  Lady M endangered over 8 billion people through her interference in the internal affairs of the Brisingr globular cluster that led to twenty inhabited planets being conquered by a hostile power.  Richard Bilra put over 10 million people in mortal peril in pursuit of his dream of finding a way to overcome fold faults so he could go looking for the long-vanished Lynn Minmay.  The Galaxy fleet executives enslaved their fleet's entire populaton, committed many horrific crimes, and then got most of them killed fighting the Vajra in an attempt to declare themselves the rulers of the galaxy. 

If Heimdall is all about stopping that, then they could make an impressive claim to being the good guys.

 

Hopefully direct sources will offer greater clarity as to their actual motives.

 

 

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Wright's friend doesn't seem to have had the Windermerean government's approval to give those relics to Lady M, so she's still guilty of receiving stolen cultural relics.

Not to mention her decision to try and illegally clone a Star Singer ultimately nearly condemned the entire galaxy to mind control.

Even if she means well, she's demonstrably and objectively a criminal.

 

If Brilla didn't do what he did would we still have the story of frontier then?  If Brilla just said well I just wanna fund SMS and not dictate what happens in the frontier government then what would the synopsis of Frontier be?

[Bolt]

Um.. the Vajra. Kinda would still have been run into..

[RedWolf]

52 minutes ago, Bolt said:

It's strongly implied that this issue may affect the Galaxy( or at least the future of NUNS)  . One would think that NUNS might want to have a hand to play at the table..

Regardless of treaty or no..

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Or not. Cromwell is blaming Lady M for his misfortune.  Issues that are beyond Lady M's control as Megaroad-01 is stuck in a Fold Fault. The cloning of the Star  Singer and preserving the Protoculture ruins despite NUNS being reluctant being burned again by what the Protoculture  left behind all make sense if Lady M's motivation is to save the Megaroad-01  fleet.

We know that the Protoculture  can hide objects in Subspace and bring them back out in real space. 

The implications at least in  the series Xaos set up shop on Ragna so it can receive transmissions from Megaroad-01. At least according to Berger Stone who is a conspiracy  theorist on the side of being an arms dealer.

 

 

[charles88]

6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Given how little sense it makes, I strongly suspect that the antagonist's motive is being distorted somewhat in these spoiler posts...

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It seems that you did not get it. Let me give an example of Cromwell's goal such as 1 General wanted to completely deregulate or unbanned Bio, Nuclear and chemical weapon research in the military, or other weapon restrictions such as using animal hunting bullets in the military as he thinks he wants to create a better weapon to defend the country.

Another example is a CEO or doctor in the medical industry who wanted to abolish FDA and Food so he can develop medicine faster without safety oversight and unrestricted like give out vaccines straight away without proper testing because he thinks regulations take too long to approve and too restrictive.

 

 

1 hour ago, darkranger12 said:

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Wright's friend doesn't seem to have had the Windermerean government's approval to give those relics to Lady M, so she's still guilty of receiving stolen cultural relics.

Not to mention her decision to try and illegally clone a Star Singer ultimately nearly condemned the entire galaxy to mind control.

Even if she means well, she's demonstrably and objectively a criminal.

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Well at that time of theft, the Windermere independence war still going on and despite Wright's effort, a rogue agent ALREADY stole an incomplete Star Singer cell in the temple. Johan realize asking the new Windermere government will take too long as war still going on and fearing theft will do it again or will successfully clone Star singer in the future (Siren System), Johan entrusted complete Star singer cell to Wright and Lady M  to prevent theft again and as a counter to whomever behind theft (Eplison Foundation). And Johan knows Lady M has resources to do it.

Also, Wright's mission from Lady M was just to stop the theft of Star Singer cell which partially fail. Wright obtaining the complete Star Singer cell was just a gift entrusted from Johan to counter the culprit behind the theft aka Eplison Foundation. Also Johan is high priest and owner or highest authority in temple and anything in it. So It doesn't count as stealing if owner give item to you.

I say Eplison Foundation is another true villain in Delta as they supply weapons to Windermere and behind the theft of Star singer cell. And make use of Heimdall Organization and Cromwell narrow-minded revenge quest to test their new weapon system aka illegal Siren system And in the end its right decision to create Mikumo as Walkure no way beat Siren system even with Frejya and most likely Frejya will die faster without Mikumo Also Mikumo help save a  lot of people from Vars syndrome throughout movie.

 

 

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[Mommar]

To those of you who have seen it, are the battles more interesting/varied this time out?  Do they actually make interesting use of the armor parts for more than four seconds unlike in the first movie?  We've seen from the first five minutes the friendly-brawl between Hayate and Bogue they actually make use of all three modes for once.  It's be nice if they keep it up through the whole film.

Also, I have no spoiler sensitivity.  Put it in tags, describe the entire thing if you like.  I'd just like to know what the fight scenes are like.

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[Ikaruss]

Well, I was reading all the comments and spoilers, because well, this movie does not interest me as such, only the information they give.
I have not seen the movie, but I rely on the information you have given and leaked.

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So as I understand it, and in short (correct me if I'm wrong):
There are two major corporate powers in Macross fighting for power, monopoly.
Leading one of those parties is Ian Cromwell.
And in front of the other party is Lady Megaroad, right?
Cromwell wants to unleash cyborg and AI implant technology.
Not Lady Megaroad.

I'm going fine?
Lady Megaroad is so named because she is aboard the Megaroad 01, which is trapped in a well or fault Fold.
And ... this makes me a lot of noise.

On the one hand, it is not a very original plot or idea ... Star Trek has implemented it in all shapes and colors.
But that's okay...
What makes me noise is that if nothing can enter or leave that well and that is why they are trapped there ... how do they manage to launch communications and orders abroad?
Isn't that a bit too convenient?

Also, let's remember that at one point Max goes to his hiding place where he is surrounded by Fold crystals of all sizes and colors ...

And of course, there is the Fold, it is a shortcut through sub space ... sub space where the laws of physics totally change.
Especially those of time and space.
How is it that you can communicate and take an idea of time outside?

In other words, I don't have to cite episodes of Star Trek, The Orville and several more about the implications and logical impossibilities of communicating with the outside world.

In summary, it would be good for someone to confirm these spoilers for me, because I think they just screwed up the Macross lore.

 

[deathzealot]

Grumble. Really shouldn't have read the past few pages. Still looks to be an interesting movie and story. Though like the others here I am not going to say if it is going to be good or not till I actually see it. That said, I have a few questions/observations about what we know so far:

 

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• First up, Seto earlier mentioned that Frejya is not in her twenties. How long has it been since the end of the first movie? Since the Elysion hasn't had its other "arm" replaced yet as of the five minutes start of the movie I saw.
• Secondly, you know I find it interesting that Max now commands the second Macross Elysion Type/Class ship we saw in the first movie, the Macross Grasion (i.e the other Macross ship that survived at the end of the movie with the third ship seen, the Macross Megasion destroyed earlier in the final battle). That is the name is correct from the spoilers is correct of course.
• Finally, if the above is true, why had Xaos/Chaos started another Branch? Or had the Megasion and the Grasion during the first movie actually from other branches of the organization? Though from what I remember that was never really mentioned in the movie, those two ships plus a fleet of regular ships just appeared with the Elysion when they started the final battle in the movie.

Alright that is about it from me. I am sure I am going to have plenty to talk about once I actually managed to watch the movie.

EDIT: Oh. Should have spoiler tagged that list. Done.
EDIT 2: Added links.

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[Seto Kaiba]

11 hours ago, Bolt said:

Where the hell is NUNS in all this?

Presumably the Brisingr Alliance's local New UN Forces are still picking up the pieces after Xaos's bungled defense of the Brisingr globular cluster left much of their forces under Var syndrome-induced mind control and forced the uninfected to inflict a fair amount of casualties on their own side.

It's not like the New UN Forces have any reason to jump to her defense either, though.

 

7 hours ago, darkranger12 said:

If Brilla didn't do what he did would we still have the story of frontier then?  If Brilla just said well I just wanna fund SMS and not dictate what happens in the frontier government then what would the synopsis of Frontier be?

Probably not, no.  It's just a point about how these megacorporations have insinuated themselves into governments and are putting civilian lives at risk for their own personal gain.  That the naked corporatism that drove the fold quartz "gold rush" was inherently an amoral exercise that cared not for the rights of sentient beings was part of Frontier's Aesop.

 

6 hours ago, charles88 said:

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It seems that you did not get it. Let me give an example of Cromwell's goal such as 1 General wanted to completely deregulate or unbanned Bio, Nuclear and chemical weapon research in the military, or other weapon restrictions such as using animal hunting bullets in the military as he thinks he wants to create a better weapon to defend the country.

Another example is a CEO or doctor in the medical industry who wanted to abolish FDA and Food so he can develop medicine faster without safety oversight and unrestricted like give out vaccines straight away without proper testing because he thinks regulations take too long to approve and too restrictive.

 

 

No, I get it... the problem is that that doesn't logically fit with Cromwell's supposed motive.

You're guessing wildly, and your guesses are rapidly devolving into incoherent nonsense.

 

1 minute ago, deathzealot said:

 

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• First up, Seto earlier mentioned that Frejya is not in her twenties. How long has it been since the end of the first movie? Since the Elysion hasn't had its other "arm" replaced yet as of the five minutes start of the movie I saw.
• Secondly, you know I find it interesting that Max now commands the second Macross Elysion Type/Class ship we saw in the first movie, the Macross Grasion  (i.e the other Macross ship that survived at the end of the movie with the third ship seen, the Macross Megasion destroyed earlier in the final battle). That is the name is correct from the spoilers is correct of course.
• Finally, if the above is true, why had Xaos/Chaos started another Branch? Or had the Megasion and the Grasion during the first movie actually from other branches of the organization? Though from what I remember that was never really mentioned in the movie, those two ships plus a fleet of regular ships just appeared with the Elysion when they started the final battle in the movie.

 

... eh, the question that was asked to me was Ranka's age, not Freyja's. 

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So, the Macross Grasion is supposedly from the Listania, which is in the Brisingr cluster.

The movie version of Xaos appears to have more forces in place in the Brisingr cluster than the TV version did... which makes a modicum of sense given that the TV version's forces seemed to amount to just the Elysion and a handful of frigates.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

does this have english subs?

 

[deathzealot]

24 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

... eh, the question that was asked to me was Ranka's age, not Freyja's. 

DUH! My apologizes Seto. Grumble 

24 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

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So, the Macross Grasion is supposedly from the Listania, which is in the Brisingr cluster.

The movie version of Xaos appears to have more forces in place in the Brisingr cluster than the TV version did... which makes a modicum of sense given that the TV version's forces seemed to amount to just the Elysion and a handful of frigates.

 

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Hmmm... Honestly. In the TV Series I thought that Xaos had a larger force then just the Elysion. Granted we see one Northampton Class Frigate with Xaos markings during the beginning of Episode 12 though seen that frigate also was folding with a Stealth Cruiser and I think another couple of Northampton Class ships I think they too are Xaos. Then a few seconds later see more several more ships plus fighters hanging out around the Elysion. Including what seems to be a couple of Carriers along with what looks to be some sort of a Deneb Class Variant though you only get a black outline in that shot I am mentioning. Then later on during the next episode or the episode after that the officer that contacts the Elysion about the Windermere fleet arriving at Ragna wears a Xaos not a NUNS uniform. Then when the Elysion and what is left of the defending forces retreats from Ragna the other ships with it are a couple of carriers a handful of Frigates and a Cruiser or two. Later on in the series, it looks like they get reinforced with several further ships including a couple of Uraga Class ships with what looks to be NUNS markings instead of Xaos since they have the NUNS on their flight deck.

EDIT: Huh. While the guy that reports to the Elysion is Xaos. A few other regular NUNS personnel are seen right before that bit. Not to mention, the Ragna Defense Fleet sports a couple of Uraga Class ships carriers as the Windermere Fleet arrives. Of which, they have NUNS spelled across the front part of their flight deck. So maybe not Xaos. I think the Ragna Defense Fleet is actually a mix of Xaos and regular NUNS ships.

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[twich]

On 10/10/2021 at 1:09 PM, Seto Kaiba said:

As I said to him in the Mecha thread, I very much doubt that the VF-31AX is able to rival the YF-29 let alone exceed it.

The VF-31 Custom Siegfried was already pushing the limits of what the VF-31's airframe could handle, to the extent that Hayate's needed serious TLC from the Aether's mechanics every time it sortied due to his rough handling of it.  He even got chastised for it by Makina of all people.  That was with an custom airframe they had TIME to seriously retrofit and redesign to handle the greater stresses of the still-heavily-detuned FF-3001/FC2 engines and simplified Fold Wave System.

The VF-31A Custom "Kairos Plus" is...

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... an improvised customization done in the field under considerably tighter constraints of time and resources and stock VF-31A Kairos airframes.

As such, I'd be VERY surprised if it was actually a significant improvement over the Siegfried type.  

I strongly suspect the notion that the VF-31AX is the new most-uber VF is just wishful thinking on someone's part.

 

 

It's definitely inconsistent across the Delta materials.  In the TV series and first movie, Xaos was all but broke after being run out of the Brisingr cluster.  They were so strapped for cash that they noted they couldn't afford to replenish their fuel and ammunition.

I'd assume Aisha Blanchett wasn't poached from SMS at all.  She was working for SMS because Richard Bilra was ready, willing, and able to put up the gargantuan sums of cash needed for her to develop her ideal next-generation VF and the Fold Dimensional Resonance system.  Once the YF-30's development ended with successful demonstration of the Fold Dimensional Resonance system she wouldn't have had much reason to stay.  Her reason for moving to the Brisingr cluster would be pretty obvious: her baby, the YF-30, was licensed for further development into a mass production aircraft.  Elma Hoyly no doubt jumped for research funding, since Xaos was interested in researching fold songs and her area of expertise as the protege of Dr. Lawrence was biological fold waves.

Why Max is half a galaxy away from the last known position of City 7 is a mystery all on its own.  I assume the writers simply wanted an actually-likeable character.

 

Oh, it absolutely is... like how Mariafokina Barnrose in a VF-1 spanked Aegis Focker in a VF-19A.

Hayate's got raw talent but little experience, so he seems to be getting most of his survivability from the potentially lethal fold song bullet time Freyja's songs put him into.  If he's not careful, he'll die exactly the same way Messer did... roided out on Var syndrome until his body just tears itself apart.

 

Ranka Lee's date of birth is 29 April 2043, so she would be 25 years old at the time of Absolute Live!!!!!!.

Wait, I thought in the series, Ranka was 14, then turned 15 and Hayate gave her snow to remind her of Windemere.  There has been 10 years since the series?  Im confused

[deathzealot]

4 minutes ago, twich said:

Wait, I thought in the series, Ranka was 14, then turned 15 and Hayate gave her snow to remind her of Windemere.  There has been 10 years since the series?  Im confused

Snort. I got things crossed. Ranka is the half(?)-Zentradi Girl we know from Frontier who becomes a major singer and part of the reason for the Macross Frontier Fleet to win the war against the Vajra, Frejya is the Windermere Girl that becomes a part of Walkure and a main characther in Delta.

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[Seto Kaiba]

58 minutes ago, deathzealot said:

DUH! My apologizes Seto. Grumble 

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Hmmm... Honestly. In the TV Series I thought that Xaos had a larger force then just the Elysion. Granted we see one Northampton Class Frigate with Xaos markings during the beginning of Episode 12 though seen that frigate also was folding with a Stealth Cruiser and I think another couple of Northampton Class ships I think they too are Xaos. Then a few seconds later see more several more ships plus fighters hanging out around the Elysion. Including what seems to be a couple of Carriers along with what looks to be some sort of a Deneb Class Variant though you only get a black outline in that shot I am mentioning. Then later on during the next episode or the episode after that the officer that contacts the Elysion about the Windermere fleet arriving at Ragna wears a Xaos not a NUNS uniform. Then when the Elysion and what is left of the defending forces retreats from Ragna the other ships with it are a couple of carriers a handful of Frigates and a Cruiser or two. Later on in the series, it looks like they get reinforced with several further ships including a couple of Uraga Class ships with what looks to be NUNS markings instead of Xaos since they have the NUNS on their flight deck.

EDIT: Huh. While the guy that reports to the Elysion is Xaos. A few other regular NUNS personnel are seen right before that bit. Not to mention, the Ragna Defense Fleet sports a couple of Uraga Class ships carriers as the Windermere Fleet arrives. Of which, they have NUNS spelled across the front part of their flight deck. So maybe not Xaos. I think the Ragna Defense Fleet is actually a mix of Xaos and regular NUNS ships.

Xaos has a larger force than just the Macross Elysion, but in the TV series it was just the Macross Elysion and a handful of escort ships.

The first movie increases the size of Xaos's available forces in the cluster to three Elysion-type Macrosses and various escort ships, though one ends up subverted by Var syndrome's mind control effects and one is destroyed, leaving just Elysion fighting on the protagonist's side.

Yeah, Ragna was evacuated by Xaos and the local Ragnan New UN Forces.  That's why there are NUNS-marked ships in the flotilla.

 

30 minutes ago, twich said:

Wait, I thought in the series, Ranka was 14, then turned 15 and Hayate gave her snow to remind her of Windemere.  There has been 10 years since the series?  Im confused

That's Freyja... she has her 15th birthday in Macross Delta's 16th episode "Hesitating Birthday".

In Macross Frontier, Ranka's age is given as 16 in a couple different onscreen sources like her biographical extract and Ozma saying she'll be an adult next year (2060).

 

 

27 minutes ago, deathzealot said:

Snort. I got things crossed. Ranka is the half(?)-Zentradi Girl we know from Frontier who becomes a major singer and part of the reason for the Macross Frontier Fleet to win the war against the Vajra, Frejya is the Windermere Girl that becomes a part of Walkure and a main characther in Delta.

Quarter Zentradi, but yeah...

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Corrected a factual error flagged by deathzealot.

[deathzealot]

5 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The first movie increases the size of Xaos's available forces in the cluster to three Elysion-type Macrosses and various escort ships, though one ends up subverted by Var syndrome's mind control effects and destroys the other, leaving just Elysion fighting on the protagonist's side.

Actually no the Megasion (the brown(?) colored one) was destroyed by the Windermere before they ever got to Ragna for the final part of the battle. The Grasion was the green colored one and did ended up under the control of the Var though it tried to combat the Elysion but Plot Armor and other such things had the Elysion manage to live through the opening barrage. It later almost got a Macross Attack from a recovered Elysion to the head but managed to shake off the Var due to Walkure Singing.

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[Seto Kaiba]

5 minutes ago, deathzealot said:

Actually no the Megasion (the brown(?) colored one) was destroyed by the Windermere before they ever got to Ragna for the final part of the battle. The Grasion was the green colored one and did ended up under the control of the Var though it tried to combat the Elysion but Plot Armor and other such things had the Elysion manage to live through the opening barrage. It later almost got a Macross Attack from a recovered Elysion to the head but managed to shake off the Var due to Walkure Singing.

Ah, you are indeed correct.  My mistake.

[deathzealot]

So, I wanted to ask since apparently my google-fu is really not all that great right now. Is the movie going to be streamed on one of the streaming sites like say the Gundam Hathaway Movie was? Or are we going to get it in theaters? I know someone else asked this earlier but I did not see anyone answering it so figured I bring it up again.

[Bolt]

I'm not sure if that is known at this time..