Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!

[TG Remix]

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Her sister ship, Graf Zeppelin II, was assigned to protect South Ataria island and may now be floating out near Pluto.

Never heard of that one! What story did she come from?

 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Available information suggests planetary defense forces vary in size depending on the emigrant fleet that ultimately colonized the planet.  The New UN Spacy escort fleet that the emigrant ship was protected by becomes the planet's New UN Spacy defense force after colonization begins.  So some planets have a Battle-class to rely on because they had the good fortune to be colonized by a 3rd Gen or later emigrant fleet.  Fleets that didn't leave with one (or lost theirs) would have to build one or buy one.  

The defense forces would probably be on the small side too I'm imagining, even moreso with short range fleets since they're already in close proximity to Earth and every other well developed planet in that 100 ly radius.

 

15 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Or that Marines are simply carried as infantry aboard naval vessels... the Marines we see postwar have been the Spacy Marines.

Either that or Zentradi ships, and they already have their own landing ships through the Quiltra-Queleual LSTs and the Assault Module of the Queadol-Magdomilla class (though with the Okeanos from Frontier I'm wondering if they can act independently from the Oribital Module, or just rid of the bigger part of the ship entirely.)

 

There seems to be enough assault and transport ships the NUNS have that can be used for landing operations. Since the Varauta ships were from a local planetary fleet before being modified, you can probably use their Giant Battroid Transport Carrier for the job, or a Large Battleship that Gigile commanded since that was said to be used as both an assault ship and a flagship. In the Macross II continuity, there is the Daedalus II that I'm quite fond of from Macross 2036; essentially a assault carrier type ARMD built with the capability to commit Daedalus Attacks, with the same exit ports the original ship had on each side. Interestingly Battleship of the Galaxy also included it in its own take of the main continuity.

Edited 18 hours ago by TG Remix

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, TG Remix said:

Never heard of that one! What story did she come from?

I've mentioned her a few times before in this topic.

First mention of the Graf Zeppelin II (CVN-100) was in Variable Fighter Master File: VF-0 Phoenix (2012).  She's mentioned and shown in the section of the book devoted to talking about the Asuka II (CVN-99) as a second ship of the same experimental class and type that was a predecessor to the Prometheus (CVS-101).  Master File says she served as part of the UN Navy 2nd Fleet and that her home port was Norfolk, VA.  She's seen among the ships defending South Ataria island in December 2008 in Macross the First (2014), as a carrier launching VF-0's.  

Her name is noted to be something of an irreverant in-joke regarding the circumstances of her construction.  The Asuka II-class was designed in Japan and was originally meant for service with the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Forces.  When the UN Forces decided to build a second ship of the same class, the contract to build the new ship landed at some unspecified shipyard in (West) Germany.  The irony of this was apparently too much to be contained by anyone in the military administration, and she was named in honor of Germany's only other aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin, which had also been a copy of a Japanese aircraft carrier design.

 

7 hours ago, TG Remix said:

The defense forces would probably be on the small side too I'm imagining, even moreso with short range fleets since they're already in close proximity to Earth and every other well developed planet in that 100 ly radius.

Defense forces for those worlds settled by the short-distance emigrant fleets were probably initially quite small.  They're probably not small anymore, given that those emigrant planets are within spitting distance of Earth and were among the first planets colonized.  They'd have had more time than almost anyone to build infrastructure, harness natural resources, and grow their local defense forces with the close support of Earth's immense manufacturing power.

 

7 hours ago, TG Remix said:

Either that or Zentradi ships, and they already have their own landing ships through the Quiltra-Queleual LSTs and the Assault Module of the Queadol-Magdomilla class (though with the Okeanos from Frontier I'm wondering if they can act independently from the Oribital Module, or just rid of the bigger part of the ship entirely.)

I'd assume the lander can operate independently.  Zentradi ships use networked clusters of reactors and drives, so I'd assume the lander probably has its own fold system cluster and we know it has its own reactors, engines, and weapons.

 

7 hours ago, TG Remix said:

There seems to be enough assault and transport ships the NUNS have that can be used for landing operations. Since the Varauta ships were from a local planetary fleet before being modified, you can probably use their Giant Battroid Transport Carrier for the job, or a Large Battleship that Gigile commanded since that was said to be used as both an assault ship and a flagship. In the Macross II continuity, there is the Daedalus II that I'm quite fond of from Macross 2036; essentially a assault carrier type ARMD built with the capability to commit Daedalus Attacks, with the same exit ports the original ship had on each side. Interestingly Battleship of the Galaxy also included it in its own take of the main continuity.

For a given value of "assault"... they're not really made to land ground forces.

The Daedalus II-class is as close as it really gets, but it's not an assault lander like the Daedalus was.  It's a dedicated space carrier like the ARMD-class but with the capability to carry out ramming attacks.