Seto Kaiba Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Yes really, done properly an articulated Bioroid could be a gem. Doing a Bioroid properly means not doing it at all... just ask Toynami. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Sad if gimmicks are required due to short attention spans. Those kind of gimmicks are required because the dedicated comic book fans have long memories, not short attention spans. By in large, that kind of thing doesn't bring in much in the way of new readership. Kids these days are quite an astonishingly cynical bunch, and are more than capable of spotting pandering for what it is from a young age. This kind of gimmick is for the older fans, who have been following a given series for enough time that the story has become too boring, samey, and self-referential. They try to mix it up and make the story feel fresh again by putting a different spin on an existing character or event... and, of course, they reboot whenever they write themselves into a corner of readership falls off. It's the laziest art form since minimalism. Robotech fans have seen the Macross Saga story adapted a half dozen times already in comic book, novel, and video game form. It's not surprising a new publisher would want to put their own mark on it rather than following the established story religiously. (Doubly so if they're not going past the Macross Saga, which AFAIK they haven't announced any plans to do.) Robotech's fans also have long memories, somewhat by necessity since the franchise has done bugger-all of value since '86. There's only so many times you can tell the exact same story before it gets dreadfully dull, and a fandom that has spent the last three decades obsessively poring over a series with no sequels is going to be in desperate need of something fresh. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Uh, are we looking at the same comic industry? It seems that they are totally incapable of maintaining the status quo from where I am standing. ... surely you jest. DC and Marvel live and breathe the status quo. They might flirt with different gimmicky ideas from time to time, but they always come right back to the same formula they've had for half a century or more. This is literally there reason "comic book death" is a trope in its own right. Everyone knows that no popular or established character EVER stays dead because status quo is god. It runs on soap opera logic, with reasons running the gambit from standard "never found the body" and "nobody could've survived that" up the line to "magic" and "someone punched the universe so hard it unkilled me". I believe DC had, a few years ago, an entire crossover event devoted to the death-is-a-revolving-door status-quo-is-god antics being laying the groundwork for the god of death to invade reality. Any character development that changes the dynamic of a series will inevitably be reversed. Bruce Wayne will ALWAYS be Batman, and will always work with Commissioner Gordon. Spider-Man will always keep getting reverted back to being a broke college kid from Queens living with Aunt May and obsessing over Uncle Ben. Superman's introspection on his place in the world ALWAYS ends with him deciding his place is "punching distance from the bad guy" and his relationship with Lois Lane will always return to her being oblivious to the fact that Superman is sitting right in front of her. The X-Men never make any lasting progress towards public acceptance of mutants, because it'd be boring if they weren't the hated and feared outcasts. Professor X has been re-crippled after regaining the ability to walk on too many occasions to count. Anyone who loses their superpowers will inevitably get them back, and anyone who gains NEW powers will inevitably lose them (Spider-Man being a rather frequent offender there), with speed directly proportional to how broken up they are about it. Even the smaller third party publishers can't escape it. Archie hasn't been permitted to make any lasting relationship progress with Betty or Veronica in SEVENTY-SEVEN YEARS OF SERIALIZATION. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: That it is. Of course I could say the same thing about your not liking the Bioroid, or the Invid/Inbit. Its clearly a matter of personal preference. Granted, but in large groups personal preference ultimately means the success or failure of a given property. Most Southern Cross viewers' personal preference was to turn the TV off rather than see the series, for instance. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: You have Rugby in the US? Yes, we do. It's kind of a niche sport, like lacrosse, but we do have rugby leagues here. One of my younger brothers played in a high school rugby league, and is now a coach. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: It is. Not really, no... Southern Cross is basically a nonentity in Japan, with some HG staffers claiming that Tatsunoko barely remembers the series was one of theirs. Robotech is more or less a nonentity too outside of South America, so no help from that quarter, and its Southern Cross adaptation is so unpopular that several markets didn't bother airing it, skipping right from the Macross Saga to New Generation. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Granted. Just about all the aliens/their stuff in media are just variations of humans/their stuff because we cant really relate to something REALLY ALIEN. Pretty sure that was the point of the Zentradi redesign, actually... to make them REALLY ALIEN, at least visually. They're just not as intimidating or otherworldly-looking when they're a blue man in a smock and a short brown man in a bright purple tailcoat and knee-high boots. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: They are supposed to be aliens from an alien culture, how can they be "dated"? What period of human history were humans using Zentraedi stuff? Because artistic styles still belong to humans... what looked futuristic thirty years ago looks quaint and silly now. Mind you, the artistic style of some parts of the original Macross series looked a bit goofy and dated even back when it was new, like the UN Spacy uniforms with bellbottom trousers, the capes worn by Zentradi officers, or Boddole Zer's Ming the Merciless robe. Because they're not tied to real world clothing styles, the DYRL? Zentradi designs seem to have more timeless appeal. 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Could someone say "That Zentraedi helmet looks like the one your grand father used to wear in the 20's.", ... well... the Zentradi generic body armor's helmet does look a lot like a German stahlhelm... but I doubt anyone would have that conversation under those circumstances unless the story ends with "and that's why we moved to Argentina in the mid-forties".
Einherjar Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Podtastic said: Yes. I missed it though. I would have loved to see the Bioroids again but don't know if they would have been featured, or if featured, whether they would have stayed true to the original designs. I meant the other Kickstarter that failed in an entirely different way and might as well made this comic book possible.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Einherjar said: I meant the other Kickstarter that failed in an entirely different way and might as well made this comic book possible. OK, now I'm lost... which epic Kickstarter failure are we talking about here?
505thAirborne Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: OK, now I'm lost... which epic Kickstarter failure are we talking about here? I believe that would be the Robotech Academy Kickstarter.
Einherjar Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 34 minutes ago, 505thAirborne said: I believe that would be the Robotech Academy Kickstarter. Yup. I guess I really can’t take Podtastic criticisms of this comic, and Macross, seriously when he wasn’t there when Robotech needed people like him the most. However, seeing how the Palladium Kickstarter ended up, maybe it was for the better since both relied on unrealistic expectations and blatant nostalgia baiting rather than real plans?
JB0 Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Doing a Bioroid properly means not doing it at all... just ask Toynami. While I agree with you entirely, citing Toynami as a bastion of taste and good judgement seems... dubious?
Seto Kaiba Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Einherjar said: Yup. I guess I really can’t take Podtastic criticisms of this comic, and Macross, seriously when he wasn’t there when Robotech needed people like him the most. Surely we're not so short on valid counterarguments that we'd resort to a No True Scotsman. 6 hours ago, Einherjar said: However, seeing how the Palladium Kickstarter ended up, maybe it was for the better since both relied on unrealistic expectations and blatant nostalgia baiting rather than real plans? That's different from every other Robotech project of the last two decades HOW? 1 hour ago, JB0 said: While I agree with you entirely, citing Toynami as a bastion of taste and good judgement seems... dubious? Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Einherjar Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Surely we're not so short on valid counterarguments that we'd resort to a No True Scotsman. You really think this very gritty reboot comic book would have happened anyway even if Academy was funded?
Seto Kaiba Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, Einherjar said: You really think this very gritty reboot comic book would have happened anyway even if Academy was funded? Honestly? Yeah, I do. Harmony Gold is gonna do everything in its power to milk the Macross license in the time left to them, since nobody gives a toss about the other two. They've probably been shopping for a new comic licensee since DC/Wildstorm dropped it last decade.
JB0 Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Unless it's digital.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, JB0 said: Unless it's digital. True, true... but Toynami would hardly be the first company to look at Southern Cross and think to themselves "wow, I want NONE of that hot mess". Bandai Popy1, Vicious Cycle, TDK, Take-Two, Ninja Division, Kitz Concept, DC/Wildstorm, Strange Machine Games, and Harmony Gold USA2 all opted not to pursue merchandising for that series. Titan Comics probably belongs on that list as well, given that they've rewritten the Macross Saga's story in such a way that it eliminates any need to progress into the other sagas. Kinda leaves an awkward open-ended boostrap paradox WRT the ship's origins, but hey... 1. Originally Popy Co. Ltd., a wholly-owned subsidiary spun off of Bandai toy division in '71 and reintegrated as an operating division of Bandai in '83. Known as the originator of Bandai's Chogokin and HI-METAL lines. Now known as Bandai boys toy division. 2. The merchandising they do themselves has studiously avoided Southern Cross for about the last fifteen years. Edited May 8, 2018 by Seto Kaiba
JB0 Posted May 9, 2018 Posted May 9, 2018 So they're flashin' twelve, but it's high noon anyways? Full disclosure: I had one of the bioroid figures as a kid. And his hoverboard platform. I think we got 'em out of a Sears surplus store after the RT toyline was shut down. I thought it was pretty neat, and the hoverboard was just awesome. In hindsight, that was a pretty ugly figure(they all were). I stand by the hoverboard, though. I think it even had ball bearings on the underside instead of wheels so it could roll sideways and diagonally, which was PRETTY COOL.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 9, 2018 Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, JB0 said: So they're flashin' twelve, but it's high noon anyways? Pretty much. It's a source of some considerable frustration among the few Masters Saga fans out there that Toynami is unwilling to develop Southern Cross toys for Robotech, as its management doesn't consider the projected return on investment sufficient to justify the effort. It's a fairly common conclusion that most Robotech licensees end up reaching. 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: Roy's slightly haunted, done-with-this-crap expression perfectly mirrors my feelings on this dreadful tome. I do like how everyone on this cover looks profoundly bored. Quote AND WTF????? Lap Lamiz bald??? It looks like she has a tomboy haircut... Is everyone there standing with bent knees because Laplamiz is apparently super thicc in this version? Quote I knew the comic was bad, but I have to admit being SO bad that even the characters a struck blind is a new one on me... I'm increasingly inclined to suspect that every woman in this comic is traced from either porn or the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Edited May 9, 2018 by Seto Kaiba I see Old_Nash's post was deleted, so the images I was commenting on are gone.
azrael Posted May 9, 2018 Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said: It looks like she has a tomboy haircut... Is everyone there standing with bent knees because Laplamiz is apparently super thicc in this version? Have to impress the boss by making yourself look "smaller". Also, J-heads with A-single-barrel head lasers? 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said: I'm increasingly inclined to suspect that every woman in this comic is traced from either porn or the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. At least they have... curves..?
no3Ljm Posted May 9, 2018 Posted May 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, azrael said: Also, J-heads with A-single-barrel head lasers? Another reason to make an 'exclusive' Toynami/Robotech figure ala VF-1R.
Old_Nash Posted June 27, 2018 Author Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Robotech #10 How I cannot put some pages or pic from "unofficial sources" here a preview https://graphicpolicy.com/2018/06/27/preview-robotech-10/ And man... Max and Millia fight in a ARENA!!! WTF Edited June 27, 2018 by Old_Nash
Seto Kaiba Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: Robotech #10 It feels like this cover is trying to copy that iconic scene from Macross Plus when Isamu and Guld narrowly avoid crashing into each other and Guld sees Isamu through the canopy of his VF-11 in mid-transformation. (Right before Guld's BDI system goes down.) 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: How I cannot put some pages or pic from "unofficial sources" here a preview What puzzle box do we have to solve to banish the preview from this plane of existence? 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: And man... Max and Millia fight in a ARENA!!! WTF "WTF" sums up the entire series. Hell, it sums up the entire franchise.
Old_Nash Posted June 27, 2018 Author Posted June 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: What puzzle box do we have to solve to banish the preview from this plane of existence? Sorry, I mean to say: How I cannot put some pages or pic from "unofficial sources", but here an official preview. I was in the traffic with my cellphone when a revive this thread XD
tekering Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 You know, with a little re-written dialogue, this art would make a lot more sense:
azrael Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 54 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: What puzzle box do we have to solve to banish the preview from this plane of existence? Preview????? How about this puke-inducing artwork...This comic could have been tolerable if it wasn't for that artwork.
Seto Kaiba Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, Old_Nash said: Sorry, I mean to say: How I cannot put some pages or pic from "unofficial sources", but here an official preview. I was in the traffic with my cellphone when a revive this thread XD You misunderstand. I'm saying the preview is torture, and I want to know what I need to do to send the cenobites inflicting it on us back to their hell-dimension.
Gerli Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, tekering said: You know, with a little re-written dialogue, this art would make a lot more sense: Oh God I'm dyng...!!! Edited June 27, 2018 by Gerli
505thAirborne Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 What's up with those giant rivets on the VF-1J?? And yes, "WTF" describes this comic and its plot.
Scyla Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Is it a telling sign, that I thought that on first sight that the Valkyrie had a new head turret and the part I colored in is the visor: Instead of being the iconic VF-1J head turret from SDF-1... ...maybe I'm just not a proper Macross fan.
Knight26 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 These comics keep getting worse and worse. The Regis has been introduced, and Max and Millia Duel with swords. Then all the character art is clearly lifted from either bad DAZ3D models, or magazine scans.
Dynaman Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Knight26 said: These comics keep getting worse and worse. The Regis has been introduced, and Max and Millia Duel with swords. Then all the character art is clearly lifted from either bad DAZ3D models, or magazine scans. Considering how badly animated Max and Millia's duel in SDFM was using swords kinda makes sense. I tried to come up with something snarky about the art but it is too wretched even for snark.
Knight26 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Dynaman said: Considering how badly animated Max and Millia's duel in SDFM was using swords kinda makes sense. I tried to come up with something snarky about the art but it is too wretched even for snark. Except Max is in his VF-1A/J and Millia is punching and tearing it apart.
Dynaman Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 Considering that Horrible "knife" fight I still have to give them the benefit of the doubt on that one. Plus I have no plans on actually reading the comic so I'll never actually know.
Old_Nash Posted June 28, 2018 Author Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Knight26 said: These comics keep getting worse and worse. The Regis has been introduced, and Max and Millia Duel with swords. Then all the character art is clearly lifted from either bad DAZ3D models, or magazine scans. Many times Millia hits Max and we saw damages on his verytech, but in the another frame the damage is gone... Or the verytechs have auto-repair or the drawner forget this "details"...
Einherjar Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 At this point, why do you even bother posting updates for this garbage, Old_Nash?
Old_Nash Posted June 28, 2018 Author Posted June 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Einherjar said: At this point, why do you even bother posting updates for this garbage, Old_Nash? Because all we need 2 minutes of Hate in the month^^
JB0 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Old_Nash said: Because all we need 2 minutes of Hate in the month^^ It is comedy gold, and I thank you for it.
easnoddy Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 Its truly amazing to see how this comic one-ups itself with turribleness.
Einherjar Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Old_Nash said: Because all we need 2 minutes of Hate in the month^^ In the post militant Star Wars fanboy world, no thanks.
Old_Nash Posted June 28, 2018 Author Posted June 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Einherjar said: In the post militant Star Wars fanboy world, no thanks. You're a ex-militant of Star Wars?
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