kajnrig Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Podtastic said: What makes me mad is that instead of simply upgrading the art they decided to libtardise the story and @#$ the art. We didnt deserve that we at least deserved art like this: https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F52%2F9c%2F9b%2F529c9bc12433b770e71637050ae224fc.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.co.uk%2Fbdiegnan%2Frobotech%2F&docid=jTv7zCLwk1vGXM&tbnid=yyj-wW-cc90oqM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj4sM2X3-faAhWELsAKHQeXC5gQMwg-KAswCw..i&w=735&h=981&bih=508&biw=320&q=bdiegnan art&ved=0ahUKEwj4sM2X3-faAhWELsAKHQeXC5gQMwg-KAswCw&iact=mrc&uact=8 The cover of issue 10 would be epic if done by a decent artist. Here I was thinking the prodigal child was returning with another cover, but that was... random. Edited May 2, 2018 by kajnrig
Seto Kaiba Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, Podtastic said: What makes me mad is that instead of simply upgrading the art they decided to libtardise the story and @#$ the art. Not sure what you're on about WRT the story... but then, I'm honestly not convinced there actually is a story. I'm halfway to believing that this is just another one of the Defense Intelligence Agency's insane black projects, except this time they're trying to weaponize bad art instead of woo bullsh*t like psychic powers. Quote We didnt deserve that we at least deserved art like this: It's Robotech, FFS. What we deserve is for them to stop flogging a horse that died in '86 and stand aside so we can have some proper bloody Macross in the West. Anyone who hasn't learned by now to expect disappointment from Robotech probably deserves to be disappointed. Quote The cover of issue 10 would be epic if done by a decent artist. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Complaining about a lack of quality in Robotech is like going to the zoo and getting upset because they don't have a manticore.
Dynaman Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Libtardise? Please keep your crap politics to yourself.
Podtastic Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Dynaman said: Please keep your crap politics to yourself. But that's exactly the comment that should be going to them. Keep politics out of comics. Don't change things for "PC". 9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: It's Robotech, FFS. What we deserve is for them to stop flogging a horse that died in '86 and stand aside so we can have some proper bloody Macross in the West. Anyone who hasn't learned by now to expect disappointment from Robotech probably deserves to be disappointed Except...no Bioroids or Invid or SDFM Zentraedi anymore... and Windermear.
tekering Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Podtastic said: Except...no Bioroids or Invid or SDFM Zentraedi anymore... Yes, but we'd have Protodeviln! And Zolans! And... Vajra! And... space whales... Okay, never mind. Macross is actually pretty lame when it comes to aliens. I guess we were better off with Bioroids and Invid.
hachi Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Podtastic said: But that's exactly the comment that should be going to them. Keep politics out of comics. Don't change things for "PC". Except...no Bioroids or Invid or SDFM Zentraedi anymore... and Windermear. But Macross had lots of politics...I mean, Kaifun says 'Hello!'
Einherjar Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 Yes, gritty. If you’re going to defend Robotech, really know what you’re defending, especially the trivialized misogyny at this point.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 3, 2018 Posted May 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Podtastic said: But that's exactly the comment that should be going to them. Keep politics out of comics. Don't change things for "PC". As hard as I look, I can't see anything in this dreary mess that is remotely political. It's just a badly written gritty reboot fic, a slightly different aesthetic riff on the same old schlock that Robotech was peddling in the 90's comics. 8 hours ago, Podtastic said: Except...no Bioroids or Invid [...] Well, yes... that IS a strong argument in Macross's favor. I mean, who's going to sit down to watch Macross and say "Y'know what this character drama and fast-paced dogfighting action needs? A halfassed Zaku knockoff and some space lobsters who are completely devoid of intellect or personality until they evolve into a halfassed Zentradi knockoff!"? Riveting stuff that ain't. Spoiler I mean, who are we kidding here? This is, almost without exaggeration, basically the ending of the Robotech "New Generation" saga: (The Futurama parallels get funnier when you realize that [Claude Leon/Eli Anatole Leonard] and Zap Brannigan are basically the same character, just one is played for laughs and one is played dead straight. They even dress alike!) 8 hours ago, Podtastic said: [...] or SDFM Zentraedi anymore... ... did you miss that TV series Zentradi designs show up in Macross 7, Macross Frontier, Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy, and Macross Delta? 8 hours ago, Podtastic said: and Windermear. Who, for all their faults, are still a million times more interesting and relatable than any "original" alien race from Robotech. Let me be brutally honest here, the Sentinels aliens were Planet of the Cliches stock monsters that would've been considered too embarrassingly lame for inclusion in the legendarily camp Star Trek cartoon. Pretty much what you'd expect in series with a creative director who thinks L. Ron Hubbard is good sci-fi. 3 hours ago, tekering said: Yes, but we'd have Protodeviln! And Zolans! And... Vajra! And... space whales... There's no excusing the Space Kaij... er... Protodeviln. But the Zolans had their quaint charm and the Vajra managed to be pretty intimidating despite not being the actual villains of their series.
dizman Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Hahaha that can't be the actual cover....... right? Oh no....
Einherjar Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, Dynaman said: So, everyone is also ok with Rethuglicans I take it? No.
kajnrig Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Podtastic's statement was just kind of poorly thought-out all around, I think that's something we can all agree on. 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: FOR THE GHOST OF CARL MACEK!!!!! So... I was forgiving of the art for the most part... And I mean... It's fine. It's fiiiine. It's fine. They're fine. It's fine. It's fine. 18 minutes ago, BeyondTheGrave said: Is he/she pounding Max or throwing a punch? She'll be doing both, eventually.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Old_Nash said: FOR THE GHOST OF CARL MACEK!!!!! Is it just me or does she look like Rick Sanchez in a bad wig? 1 hour ago, Dynaman said: So, everyone is also ok with Rethuglicans I take it? Those downvotes on the comment that dragged politics into this didn't come out of nowhere... that's a fair indicator of where folks stand. Better we leave it at that and keep the discussion of real world politics out of this entirely.
azrael Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 That’s Miriya? Really? No. Really? Really? Miriya? Sure that’s not Khyron? You sure? Positive? No! Really?
Old_Nash Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 16 hours ago, tekering said: Yes, but we'd have Protodeviln! And Zolans! And... Vajra! And... space whales... Okay, never mind. Macross is actually pretty lame when it comes to aliens. I guess we were better off with Bioroids and Invid. Don't forget the Ragnarians and Voldorians
anime52k8 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, kajnrig said: So... I was forgiving of the art for the most part... And I mean... It's fine. It's fiiiine. It's fine. They're fine. It's fine. It's fine. 3 hours ago, Old_Nash said: FOR THE GHOST OF CARL MACEK!!!!! I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
kajnrig Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, azrael said: That’s Miriya? Really? No. Really? Really? Miriya? Sure that’s not Khyron? You sure? Positive? No! Really? I honestly thought it was him at first glance, and second, and third. It took a good while for my eyes to move from the facial expression to the hair color.
Knight26 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 That's the cover art? I mean, the only "good" thing about most of these comics has been the covers. They look like an actual artist did them, just maybe not for full pay.
Old_Nash Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Knight26 said: That's the cover art? I mean, the only "good" thing about most of these comics has been the covers. They look like an actual artist did them, just maybe not for full pay. I hope this not the principal cover I find this "variant" https://www.darksidecomics.com/content/robotech-10-cvr-c-laren#sthash.c4DJGUnA.dpbs
Old_Nash Posted May 4, 2018 Author Posted May 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, tekering said: I much prefer this cover variant: Me too... And I admit want a colection of this action figures^^
Podtastic Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) On 2018/05/02 at 10:30 PM, Seto Kaiba said: Not sure what you're on about WRT the story They replaced Gloval with Lisa which didn't happen in the original. Why is that? Mb for the same reasons that other existing characters keep getting changed in comics lately? They're messing with my beloved nostalgia. 17 hours ago, Einherjar said: especially the trivialized misogyny at this point. Not a focus. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: A halfassed Zaku knockoff and some space lobsters Comparing a Zaku and a Bioroid? Other than both being sort humanoid in shape the Bioroid is vastly different to Zaku in every conceivable way: - The Bioroid responds directly to signals from the pilots brain and can respond reflexively as if it is the pilots own body. Zaku is piloted with manual controls via a standard mecha cockpit. - The Bioroid is as agile and acrobatic as its pilot and can do somersaults in combat. MB a Zaku can do that? - The Bioroid looks absolute great, every part of it is beautiful. The Zaku looks ok. (I do like Gundam but have no desire to grab a Zaku. I would cancel some of my stuff on order to grab an HMR articulated Bioroid for sure.) - Both Blue and Red Bioroids have iconic alien looking weapons. I cant even remember what the Zaku weapon looks like. The Inbit/Invid designs are just as cool. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: fast-paced dogfighting action needs No we must have this...but I don't care if its just mehroplanes. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: ... did you miss that TV series Zentradi designs show up in Macross 7, Macross Frontier, Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy, and Macross Delta? You mean like that seen in Frontier where Alto and Klan fight in a Zentraedi "graveyard"? No I don't miss those I just want to see much more of the original designs and look that's all. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Who, for all their faults, are still a million times more interesting and relatable than any "original" alien race from Robotech. I literally had to battle to stay awake during any extended Windsmearean scene. Couldn't relate to them at all. I did find the Garudans and Spherisians mildly interesting in the novels. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Pretty much what you'd expect in series with a creative director who thinks L. Ron Hubbard is good sci-fi. Um, it isn't..but...I did like a few things from the first half of the Battlefield Earth novel. I imagined the Psychlo to look a bit like Grizzlor meets General Ursus rather than what we saw in that horrible movie. I also liked the Psychlo rebreather mask look on the original cover and the purple interior of the Pschlyo battletanks. But I digress. 16 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: Vajra managed to be pretty intimidating I do like them. I Might even get one if they start making them. Edited May 4, 2018 by Podtastic
Podtastic Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Old_Nash said: Me too... And I admit want a colection of this action figures^^ Ditto.
anime52k8 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Podtastic said: - The Bioroid looks absolute great, every part of it is beautiful. Really? really?? REALLY??? Also, it's gun looks like a hand-held waffle iron.
Seto Kaiba Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Podtastic said: They replaced Gloval with Lisa which didn't happen in the original. ... that's what's got your knickers in a twist? Quote Why is that? Mb for the same reasons that other existing characters keep getting changed in comics lately? They're messing with my beloved nostalgia. Oh, I expect the motivations are largely the same. If you tell the same story over and over again with no lasting plot or character development and just start over every time you get stuck, you're going to lose audience members pretty quickly when they start getting bored of the same ol sh*t. Minor freshenings like this are about the only way for new authors to make their mark on a series and try to liven things up when the mainstream American comic book industry is largely stagnant and sees maintaining the status quo as all-important. Quote Comparing a Zaku and a Bioroid? Other than both being sort humanoid in shape the Bioroid is vastly different to Zaku in every conceivable way: Kinda missing the forest for the trees here. The Bioroid is a pretty obvious imitation-brand Zaku in terms of its appearance, including having a higher-spec command model painted red. When they're first introduced, they even do the Zaku's iconic glowing eye thing with the same sound effects. (Seifreit himself does a pretty passable Char imitation, right down to the regicide he closes out the series with.) Quote - The Bioroid looks absolute great, every part of it is beautiful. ... beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a line like that makes me want to question how much you've had to drink and how recently you last saw an optometrist. It looks like a Zaku wearing a set of dollar store rugby pads and a novelty codpiece. Quote - Both Blue and Red Bioroids have iconic alien looking weapons. I cant even remember what the Zaku weapon looks like. "Iconic" implies that it's distinctive and recognizable. Definitely not a word that should ever be used in connection with Southern Cross, which was canceled because barely anyone could stand to watch it. "Alien-looking" is pretty dubious too. The regular Bioroid's gun was a keg with a handle that shot lasers out of the bung. The red Bioroid's gun looked like a frying pan that shot lasers out of the handle. Quote The Inbit/Invid designs are just as cool. Granted, this is technically correct. Neither of them is remotely cool. Quote You mean like that seen in Frontier where Alto and Klan fight in a Zentraedi "graveyard"? No I don't miss those I just want to see much more of the original designs and look that's all. Actually I was referring to the usage of TV Zentradi character and equipment designs. Macross 7's in-series movie "Lynn Minmay Story" had a TV series ver. Quamzin. Macross Frontier had TV series Zentradi body armor used by the NUNS 33rd Marines, and the rogue leader was the spitting image of TV Quamzin. Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy straight-up had TV Quamzin as a major antagonist, and his body armor from the series was inexplicably depicted as a flight-capable powered suit used by the enemy Zentradi and was selectable for the player in New Game+. Macross Delta also uses the TV Zentradi body armor for Zentradi ground troops. That said, there isn't really any clamor for the original character designs (except maybe Quamzin) considering how goofy and dated they look. It's hard to take them seriously when their style of dress says "fashion victim" rather than "clone soldier". Quote I literally had to battle to stay awake during any extended Windsmearean scene. Couldn't relate to them at all. I did find the Garudans and Spherisians mildly interesting in the novels. Even Robotech fans struggle to take the novels seriously... Harmony Gold publicly disowned them as being Robotech-in-name-only eleven years ago. The Sentinels aliens are such boring, shallow stock monsters that even when they revisited Sentinels in Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles they did their best to sweep the lot under the rug and forget they were ever a thing even after attempting to give them designs that looked less idiotic. Edited May 4, 2018 by Seto Kaiba
Einherjar Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 Podtastic, did you know there was a Robotech Kickstarter years ago?
anime52k8 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said: "Alien-looking" is pretty dubious too. The regular Bioroid's gun was a keg with a handle that shot lasers out of the bung. The red Bioroid's gun looked like a frying pan that shot lasers out of the handle. At least the regular ones would be fun at parties. although I question why they have a hose running directly from their face to their crotch.
F-ZeroOne Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Old_Nash said: FOR THE GHOST OF CARL MACEK!!!!! Attack on Veritech? Edited May 4, 2018 by F-ZeroOne
anime52k8 Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 There's quite a few areas of this piece I'd like to critique, but...
Seto Kaiba Posted May 4, 2018 Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, anime52k8 said: At least the regular ones would be fun at parties. although I question why they have a hose running directly from their face to their crotch. Maybe the keg-gun is serving American beer, and they're big on recycling?
Podtastic Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 On 2018/05/04 at 2:55 PM, anime52k8 said: Really? really?? REALLY??? Also, it's gun looks like a hand-held waffle iron. Yes really, done properly an articulated Bioroid could be a gem. http://hobbycom.jp/upimages/view/photo_sub_image/172801/fullsize The gun always reminded me of a yoy-yo crossed with the old retractable extension cord my dad used to have. On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: you're going to lose audience members pretty quickly when they start getting bored of the same ol sh*t. Minor freshenings like this are about the only way for new authors to make their mark on a series and try to liven things up when the mainstream American comic book industry is largely stagnant and sees maintaining the status quo as all-important. Sad if gimmicks are required due to short attention spans. Uh, are we looking at the same comic industry? It seems that they are totally incapable of maintaining the status quo from where I am standing. But then again you are talking to the guy who expects Powerman to still have that Afro. On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: ... beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but a line like that makes me want to question how much you've had to drink and how recently you last saw an optometrist. It looks like a Zaku wearing a set of dollar store rugby pads and a novelty codpiece. That it is. Of course I could say the same thing about your not liking the Bioroid, or the Invid/Inbit. Its clearly a matter of personal preference. You have Rugby in the US? On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: "Iconic" implies that it's distinctive and recognizable It is. On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: "Alien-looking" is pretty dubious too. Granted. Just about all the aliens/their stuff in media are just variations of humans/their stuff because we cant really relate to something REALLY ALIEN. Exotic then. On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: That said, there isn't really any clamor for the original character designs (except maybe Quamzin) considering how goofy and dated they look. It's hard to take them seriously when their style of dress says "fashion victim" rather than "clone soldier". They are supposed to be aliens from an alien culture, how can they be "dated"? What period of human history were humans using Zentraedi stuff? Could someone say "That Zentraedi helmet looks like the one your grand father used to wear in the 20's.", or "That Regult is sooo 1870."? On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: Macross Delta also uses the TV Zentradi body armor for Zentradi ground troops. My only gripe there is that both the Zentraedi soldier and his armour look like they've been dipped in green dye. I miss the old lavender and purple armour with verdant green visor. Simply for aesthetic reasons. On 2018/05/04 at 5:03 PM, Seto Kaiba said: Even Robotech fans struggle to take the novels seriously... Harmony Gold publicly disowned them as being Robotech-in-name-only eleven years ago. The Sentinels aliens are such boring, shallow stock monsters that even when they revisited Sentinels in Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles they did their best to sweep the lot under the rug and forget they were ever a thing even after attempting to give them designs that looked less idiotic. Not sure how that is relevant to my tastes. On 2018/05/04 at 5:34 PM, Einherjar said: Podtastic, did you know there was a Robotech Kickstarter years ago? Yes. I missed it though. I would have loved to see the Bioroids again but don't know if they would have been featured, or if featured, whether they would have stayed true to the original designs. On 2018/05/04 at 8:09 PM, anime52k8 said: I question why they have a hose running directly from their face to their crotch. Don't know. It always reminds me of Manthing from some reason, who himself reminds me of an elephant. I wonder if some of these designs aren't deliberately intended to evoke subconscious connotations.
Recommended Posts