Einherjar Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 For your consideration and what I have been eluding to since the tread started, the least appropriate person to reinvent Lynn Minmay in any form of media - Brian Wood (a horrible person). http://comicsalliance.com/brian-wood-tess-fowler-sexual-harassment-accusations-statement/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerli Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 This comic is some kind of Whitewashing attempt against Macross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajnrig Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gerli said: This comic is some kind of Whitewashing attempt against Macross? To be fair, the original Robotech was a whitewashing attempt against Macross. To be fair to that, the original Macross had its fair share of explicitly white primary/supporting characters. Fokker, Max(?), Global, even Hikaru/Misa I believe were supposed to be half-white American? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 12:20 AM, Podtastic said: "...comic book readers and also civilians." Comic book readers are now a branch of the military? Maybe it's autocorrect, and they meant "cenobites"?  I mean, I can't imagine how anyone who wasn't a pain-worshipping masochist or the kind of fanatical Robotech fan who'd take out a second mortgage to buy Carl Macek's kidney stones would find this comic even slightly readable.  20 minutes ago, Gerli said: This comic is some kind of Whitewashing attempt against Macross? By its very nature, Robotech was an attempt to whitewash Macross. Carl Macek was pretty darn vocal in his belief that general audiences wouldn't be able to handle the idea of characters who were foreign even in an explicitly-Japanese art form, and aggressively pursued the removal of what he called "ethnic gestures", by which he meant references to Japanese culture.  2 minutes ago, kajnrig said: To be fair to that, the original Macross had its fair share of explicitly white primary/supporting characters. Fokker, Max(?), Global, even Hikaru/Misa I believe were supposed to be half-white American? Roy Focker, Max Jenius, and Bruno Global were all white, though the only Americans on the cast were Roy Focker and Claudia La Salle. You might be thinking of Amuro Ray from Gundam instead... he was a Japanese-Canadian half. Hikaru was full-blood Japanese, Misa was full-blood Japanese but spent part of her childhood in Australia. Minmay was the only half in the main trio, being half-Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajnrig Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said: Hikaru was full-blood Japanese, Misa was full-blood Japanese but spent part of her childhood in Australia. Minmay was the only half in the main trio, being half-Chinese. Yeah, I figured I was just mixing bits and pieces of the lore together. I almost wrote that Minmay was the half-American one, too, and suspected she was really half Chinese/Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said: Carl Macek was pretty darn vocal in his belief that general audiences wouldn't be able to handle the idea of characters who were foreign even in an explicitly-Japanese art form, and aggressively pursued the removal of what he called "ethnic gestures", by which he meant references to Japanese culture.  We have to keep in mind the context of when the show was "Americanized". It was what? 30+ years ago? Well before things like cultural appropriation entered the zeitgeist. Given that, I think your statement is misleading, as it implies a lot of negative things about his personal character. My impression of him -rightly or wrongly- is that he was a businessman, and making those changes was a business decision to maximize sales (just like combining 3 different series into one, for syndication purposes). I'm not saying what he did is right, just that we have to keep context in mind when looking back on the past - especially the further back we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, kajnrig said: Yeah, I figured I was just mixing bits and pieces of the lore together. I almost wrote that Minmay was the half-American one, too, and suspected she was really half Chinese/Japanese. Who knows what she's supposed to be in this comic. Everything's traced from somewhere, which has led to some interesting cases of characters with seemingly fluctuating ethnicity as their facial structure changes from panel to panel. This comic's an anatomical nightmare.   7 minutes ago, sketchley said: We have to keep in mind the context of when the show was "Americanized". It was what? 30+ years ago? Well before things like cultural appropriation entered the zeitgeist. Given that, I think your statement is misleading, as it implies a lot of negative things about his personal character. My impression of him -rightly or wrongly- is that he was a businessman, and making those changes was a business decision to maximize sales (just like combining 3 different series into one, for syndication purposes). I'm not saying what he did is right, just that we have to keep context in mind when looking back on the past - especially the further back we go. Eh... it's easy to forget all the blatantly disingenuous, outright fraudulent, and borderline racist stuff he said over the years now that he's no longer around to shoot his mouth off with more of same at conventions and in interviews. When he wasn't outright claiming that he created the stories in their "Americanized" form and then paid the Japanese to animate 'em, he was rhapsodizing about how he flawed and inferior he felt the original Japanese shows were and claiming the Japanese creators felt his bowdlerized versions were superior to their own work. He was still making those claims into the early 2000s. Whether the bowdlerization was his idea, corporate's, or the industry's was a story that changed with the regularity of the tides. It'd be one thing if he'd stopped at "that's just how we did it back then"... it's something else entirely to argue that whitewashing the shows made them superior to their original Japanese versions and made him a superior creator to the Japanese artists who created the shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) This thread is too awesome to disappear. Macross the First got me thinking how awesome Robotech Titan is. I mean, come on:   Versus    Edited March 15, 2018 by peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, peter said: This thread is too awesome to disappear. Macross the First got me thinking how awesome Robotech Titan is. I mean, come on: ... I can only assume that toxic fumes or controlled substances were involved.   1 hour ago, peter said: You're being traced from a photo of a porn shoot, Minmei. That's what's happening to your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, peter said: This thread is too awesome to disappear. Macross the First got me thinking how awesome Robotech Titan is. I mean, come on: The next issue isn't due out till March 21. Here's the cover: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 hours ago, azrael said: The next issue isn't due out till March 21. I'm going into withdrawal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazinger Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Wow that Claudia and Misa. I mean, maybe even I could pull off something that gloriously bad. Jeez. I almost feel sorry for the artists. I bet they feel honored or lucky to have that gig, but oh man, they did ever choose the wrong franchise to try to out illustrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I still wonder which cruel twist of fate made a high profile artist as Brian Wood end up in this mess. I had high opinions on his work for DMZ and Channel Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Don't forget Rick (if that is who that is supposed to be).  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Still better than Comico... ...which may be the saddest qualification I've ever had to make.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerli Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Oh God my eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podtastic Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 15/3/2018 at 7:31 PM, azrael said: The next issue isn't due out till March 21. Here's the cover: He looks closer to Dr. Sivana than Breetai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 ohh dear lord and sweet baby jeezus...WHY did I wonder into this thread today???!!! MY EYES!!!  Someone kill it...KILL IT NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 hours ago, electric indigo said: I still wonder which cruel twist of fate made a high profile artist as Brian Wood end up in this mess. I had high opinions on his work for DMZ and Channel Zero. From what happened in 2013, maybe Brian Wood’s fall from grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podtastic Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 16/3/2018 at 3:32 PM, tekering said: Still better than Comico... ...which may be the saddest qualification I've ever had to make.  Can't agree though. Comico was just badly drawn (they couldn't draw Bioroids properly if their lives depended on it), this is badly drawn+messed-up-design+messed-up-pc-leftwingnut-plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Podtastic said: Comico was just badly drawn (they couldn't draw Bioroids properly if their lives depended on it), this is badly drawn+messed-up-design+messed-up-pc-leftwingnut-plot. Well, I would argue that Titan Comics is trying to do something different, with new designs and a different story, and that's gotta be a lot harder than simply reproducing what already exists in animation... ...whereas all Comico had to do was reproduce exactly what appeared onscreen.  With all the animation reference, storyboards and model sheets available to them, how did they manage to fail so badly? Thirty years later, and I'm still dumbstruck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajnrig Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I actually don't think any of the art in this new run is bad at all, despite the ribbing I'll gladly give it. Above and beyond anything else, it carrying the Robotech name is reason enough to hate it, rather than any individual effort made in producing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podtastic Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 hours ago, tekering said: Titan Comics is trying to do something different, with new designs and a different story That's aggravating rather than mitigating. Trying to fix what wasn't broken. 14 hours ago, kajnrig said: actually don't think any of the art in this new run is bad at all Its ghastly. It doesn't matter to me if its Robotech or Marvel/DC, I'm not buying any comic with artwork this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 9:32 AM, tekering said: Still better than Comico... ...which may be the saddest qualification I've ever had to make.  Oh, give it time... it's pretty clear that they're headed that way slowly but surely. When they're not tracing from JCPenney catalogs, porn from Google Images, or Macross toy/model box art, they're already deep in Liefeldian realms of anatomical improbability.   On 3/18/2018 at 10:24 AM, tekering said: Well, I would argue that Titan Comics is trying to do something different, with new designs and a different story, and that's gotta be a lot harder than simply reproducing what already exists in animation... Even then, it's pretty obvious they're not giving it their A-game. Compare the quality levels of their Robotech comic to their other work and marvel at the extent to which they're phoning this one in.  On 3/18/2018 at 10:24 AM, tekering said: ...whereas all Comico had to do was reproduce exactly what appeared onscreen.  With all the animation reference, storyboards and model sheets available to them, how did they manage to fail so badly? Wasn't a fair bit of the Comico stuff drawn by Carl Macek's wife? IIRC the Comico stuff was done on the same kind of shoestring budget that became the norm for all things Robotech in the late 80's and beyond. (The "As Seen on TV" label is kind of a big red flag for quality whenever it appears...)   23 hours ago, kajnrig said: I actually don't think any of the art in this new run is bad at all, despite the ribbing I'll gladly give it. ... for some reason, this reminds me of Professor Farnsworth's reaction to a blind Leela's attempt at applying her makeup. "You look beautiful! Incidentally, my favorite artist is Picasso." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Cool you've found out the truth that Roy....er....I was the one who killed him. At least I think that's me.  Not the best drawing going on here. Of course you're all going to find out that Edwards used CGI to frame me for a crime he committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Nash Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Roy Focker said: Cool you've found out the truth that Roy....er....I was the one who killed him. At least I think that's me.  Not the best drawing going on here. Of course you're all going to find out that Edwards used CGI to frame me for a crime he committed. I hope he kill all comic staff to end this thing XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Really...Just google "free comics" or "read comics online" and puke to your hearts content. Can someone explain why Rick is wearing goggles under his face shield? And did Roy just de-age himself or something? Cuz that computer reconstruction of his "smile-you're-on-candid-camera"-moment removed the lines from his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Roy Focker said: Cool you've found out the truth that Roy....er....I was the one who killed him. At least I think that's me.  Not the best drawing going on here. Of course you're all going to find out that Edwards used CGI to frame me for a crime he committed.  Nah. I blame >EXO<.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Dangard Ace said:  Nah. I blame >EXO<.  I blame Tommy Yune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I blame the father of all blames -- HG.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjar Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Great job completely derailing the love triangle, assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Am I missing some comic pages somewhere?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Nash Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dynaman said: Am I missing some comic pages somewhere?  Nope, deleted commetary with this month^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dynaman said: Am I missing some comic pages somewhere?  They got deleted... sparing our eyes the horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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