Star Wars Episode IX, The Rise of Skywalker, available on home video

[tekering]

53 minutes ago, Mog said:

5 POA doesn’t cut it for me, unless it’s a senator or standing at attention clone/trooper.  They’re called action figures for a reason. 

5POA (or less) was the Star Wars standard for over 25 years.  Kenner figures never cut it for you in the '80s?

56 minutes ago, Mog said:

Hasbro made it pretty clear that they didn’t want to continue the 3 3/4” line that Kenner started oh so many years ago.

Hasbro made it pretty clear that they had to go back to 5POA to continue the 3 3/4” line that Kenner started oh-so-many years ago.  The 6" Black Series line was meant to appeal to collectors (at a higher price point), but they kept the smaller line going for oldskool fans like us who refused to invest in a whole new scale, and I'm grateful to them for that.

Especially since The Vintage Collection is back with its super-articulated figures.  

Now that Hasbro's back to producing higher-quality product, I'm proud to be collecting Star Wars figures again.  

[Mommar]

1 hour ago, tekering said:

5POA (or less) was the Star Wars standard for over 25 years.  Kenner figures never cut it for you in the '80s?

Nope.  It was all they had, but it was still garbage and everybody knew it then.

[Chronocidal]

3 hours ago, Mommar said:

Nope.  It was all they had, but it was still garbage and everybody knew it then.

Especially compared with the standard Hasbro themselves set with GI Joes back then.

Right now, I'm happy to see Hasbro going back to the vintage vehicles and figures, because frankly I think all of the designs from the new movies suck.  The only merchandise I'm interested in at this point is stuff from the original trilogy (and then, it's mostly Bandai models ), with a few exceptions made for some of the better prequel designs.

I don't know where the blame should lie exactly, but the new trilogy has felt like a disaster from the merchandising perspective.  At least during the Ric Olie overstock debacle they had some pretty nice vehicles to sell, and they were simultaneously pumping out OT merchandise to ride the nostalgia wave, but now I'm pretty sure my local Wal-Mart is still stocked to the brim with unsold junk from TFA.  I think the only worthwhile merchandise to come out of this trilogy has been the LEGO sets, because at least those can be repurposed when you get tired of the designs.  

Edited August 26, 2018 by Chronocidal

[Sildani]

Mm. I’ve seen a thousand Constable Zuvios at WalMart and Target, but never, ever, an Ahsoka Tano or Hera Syndulla. Not like those were chase figures or limited or anything. 

[F-ZeroOne]

Well, this might explode a few head-canons...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-matt-smith-could-be-joining-star-wars-episode-1828659955

[technoblue]

5 hours ago, F-ZeroOne said:

Well, this might explode a few head-canons...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-matt-smith-could-be-joining-star-wars-episode-1828659955

I read a similar article over on blogtorwho. Hopefully there is some truth to the rumor. I'm honestly very curious to see what type of character Matt Smith would play in the Star Wars universe. 

[Dynaman]

After Benicio Del Toro's character I don't really care what name actor they bring in.  That role was a waste for his talent but he was still the best part of that whole casino arc.

[Knight26]

1 hour ago, Dynaman said:

After Benicio Del Toro's character I don't really care what name actor they bring in.  That role was a waste for his talent but he was still the best part of that whole casino arc.

I agree, that character was a complete let down and waste of a great actor.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, at least Abrams knows how to get good performances out of his actors.  Now I feel dirty.

 

[Bolt]

Abrams has gone down hill , I believe.

I don't feel he did anything very original with TFA. Played it too safe and it all just played out like a different version of ANH with elements of ESB and ROTJ . 

As a die hard fan I still enjoyed it for what it was. But as the saying goes ," it is what it is , and it ain't what it ain't.." Improper English but still captured everything I feel about these new SW movies. 

not holding my breadth for episode IX.

[Chronocidal]

1 hour ago, Knight26 said:

I can't believe I'm going to say this, at least Abrams knows how to get good performances out of his actors.  Now I feel dirty.

I wouldn't say you're at all wrong though.  Much like his Trek movies though, I don't really think the acting has been a problem, at least not compared with other more glaring issues. 

The writing, though, is just a giant train that keeps on wrecking in slow motion.

[kajnrig]

Called it. Clearly this means I should be next in line for Disney CEO.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/disneys-ceo-agrees-that-maybe-one-star-wars-movie-a-yea-1829193904

[slaginpit]

Star Wars 9. The next disaster of now a series of disasters by Disney

It started with a New Hope Er I mean the force awakens

Then they went full SJW mode in the Last Jedi

Something happened they they seemed to get over their virus in Rogue One but I needed several shots of bourbon and a shot of dopamine to keep me awake during the lullaby. 

Then Pan Solo. Soylo Story marked the end of a franchise. They managed to kill one of the most beloved brands and profitable too. I guess when Kennedy does get the boot, I wonder what she will do with that the box full of force is feminism shirts in her office corner. Maybe she can make a quilt.

And to top it of with a cherry on top denouement, Captain Marvel. Ah yes how do you top that boring bland scene after scene with that cardboard face. Well Move over Ridley say hello to larson

WOW there goes my member berries.

 

Ruin the 80s march 

Ruin video Games =CHECK

Ruin Comic Books =CHECK

Ruin the predator, Alien, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Ghostbusters, and wait and see MARVEL.

Ugh

Edited September 20, 2018 by slaginpit

[danth]

5 minutes ago, slaginpit said:

Then they went full SJW mode in the Last Jedi

OH MY GOD THEY CAST AN ASIAN AND A WOMAN WITH BLUE HAIR! THIS IS WHITE GENOCIDE!

[Chronocidal]

I forget if I said this about Star Trek or Star Wars, but the movies' issues really have nothing to do with the SJW angle.  I think it's a bait-and-switch criticism topic that's being overblown across the board.

So what happened?  We got a movie that was badly written, that just happened to have a fairly diverse cast.  Correlation does not equal causation, but no one gives two flips about logic. 

Consequently, the people criticizing the movie for absolutely legitimate reasons are being completely drowned out by the people blasting the critics for being racist, because there's no possible way they could have reasonable criticisms of any other aspect of the film.  Loudmouthing on the one side starts a shouting match from the minority on the critical side that may actually be sick of hearing about diversity, and it just gets louder and louder, until any semblance of legitimate criticism dissolves into a SJW hissy conniption fit that no one can hear themselves think over.

Diversity has nothing to do with why the movie was bad, but since it's the hot topic of this generation, every valid criticism gets drowned in the pissing match.  I mean, why should anyone accept that the movie had problems, if you can easily dismiss everything as the critics being racist?

 

 

[kajnrig]

You say that, and yet the first response to my post isn't reasoned criticism but... whatever that mess is slaginpit coughed up. 

Anyway, I do hope this means they're slowing down with these movies. I said before that this universe doesn't really lend itself well to the MCU style, and certainly their choice of spinoffs weren't exactly well thought out.

[danth]

7 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

Diversity has nothing to do with why the movie was bad, but since it's the hot topic of this generation, every valid criticism gets drowned in the pissing match.  I mean, why should anyone accept that the movie had problems, if you can easily dismiss everything as the critics being racist?

Nobody has ever, ever, EVER been able to explain to me what "SJW" means in terms of the Star Wars movies. I've asked again and again and...crickets. It's because the real answer is "they put women and minorities in the movie." But you can't say that, because that proves the "SJW"s right.

I've heard and made many valid complaints about these movies. I think the first one was a pointless retread, and the second one was a mess. Honestly, the best thing about these movies is the diverse cast, and how much it pisses off the white supremacist/woman hating crowd. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by danth

[renegadeleader1]

I've posted this elsewhere, but the stupidity of Last Jedi can be summed up with the fact that pretty much the entire third act and the resistance getting nearly wiped out is because two idiots illegally parked on a beach AFTER they were warned not to and ended up getting arrested for it.

 

Yeah you could say they were in a hurry, but they didn't look very hard before giving up and finding a balcony to take in the sights and give the audience a hamfisted attempt at a PSA on animal cruelty and child slavery.

[tekering]

2 hours ago, danth said:

Nobody has ever, ever, EVER been able to explain to me what "SJW" means in terms of the Star Wars movies. I've asked again and again and...crickets. It's because the real answer is "they put women and minorities in the movie."

I think the "social justice" politics extend beyond merely casting...

2 hours ago, renegadeleader1 said:

give the audience a hamfisted attempt at a PSA on animal cruelty and child slavery.

That sort of social criticism is a defining characteristic of the SJW movement, isn't it?

[electric indigo]

Even if I can understand Disney's concerns to spice up an epitome of escapism with social issues, I don't want to have them shoved in my face and being hit over the head while witnessing the ruin of a beloved franchise by the means of C-level moviemaking.

As far as can judge this from afar, it seems to me that a lot of the SJW rage is not actually about the issues, but the way in which they are implemented. 

[slaginpit]

16 hours ago, danth said:

Nobody has ever, ever, EVER been able to explain to me what "SJW" means in terms of the Star Wars movies. I've asked again and again and...crickets. It's because the real answer is "they put women and minorities in the movie." But you can't say that, because that proves the "SJW"s right.

I've heard and made many valid complaints about these movies. I think the first one was a pointless retread, and the second one was a mess. Honestly, the best thing about these movies is the diverse cast, and how much it pisses off the white supremacist/woman hating crowd. 

I posted Maulers reviews. He sums it up. But continue

Edited September 21, 2018 by slaginpit

[TangledThorns]

I'll just leave this right here.

 

[Black Valkyrie]

 

[peter]

On 9/23/2018 at 6:41 AM, TangledThorns said:

I'll just leave this right here.

 

Lol, some bed-wetting snowflake is still pissed at you for some past transgression, you keep getting down-votes, hahahahaha!

[TehPW]

So that's what Mannings has been doing since his gig on Orguss 02 finished decades ago... [timestamp 1:13]

[danth]

On 9/20/2018 at 11:21 PM, tekering said:

I think the "social justice" politics extend beyond merely casting...

Like...?

On 9/20/2018 at 11:21 PM, tekering said:

On 9/20/2018 at 8:18 PM, renegadeleader1 said:

Yeah you could say they were in a hurry, but they didn't look very hard before giving up and finding a balcony to take in the sights and give the audience a hamfisted attempt at a PSA on animal cruelty and child slavery.

That sort of social criticism is a defining characteristic of the SJW movement, isn't it?

No. Those things have literally nothing to do with "the SJW movement." No mention of either on wikipedia. Link me some evidence to the contrary if you have any.

God, I hope at least we can all agree that child slavery is bad.

But this is a smoke screen. Link me to a popular review or article where the main complaint of "SJW-iness" is the couple of seconds out of the whole movie where they show a sad animal or a child slave.

On 9/21/2018 at 12:51 PM, slaginpit said:

I posted Maulers reviews. He sums it up. But continue

Part one is over an hour so no, he does not "sum it up." Bloviates maybe. You could sum up for him though. 

[renegadeleader1]

Danth did you even read the wikipedia you linked to about social justice warriors? Topics like being against child slavery, war profiteering, and animal cruelty fall under the umbrella of being social progressive which is a bit scary in its own right given things like manifest destiny, eugenics, colonialism, and ethnic cleansing were also views that used to be held by someone who was considered "socially progressive" at some time.

As for what a SJW actually is the wikipedia sums that up nice too with the example of someone who is unreasonable, sanctimonious, biased, and self-aggrandizing.

For example a SJW is someone who feels compelled to defend the actions of characters like Rose or Holdo simply because they are women in positions of power despite the vast examples of their incompetence and/or idiocy. To the SJW they are above reproach or critism, and anyone who says otherwise is a Mother's basement dwelling neckbeard that needs to grow up.

 

 

[Dynaman]

Can we have another Star Wars thread where the term SJW is forbidden, this is beyond annoying at this point.

[Kanedas Bike]

17 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

Can we have another Star Wars thread where the term SJW is forbidden, this is beyond annoying at this point.

Agreed.

If nothing else the discussion is entirely too polarizing, illustrated by how the comments more often than not devolve into "you're a this, or you're a that, because I don't agree with your perspective".

-b.

[tekering]

27 minutes ago, Kanedas Bike said:

If nothing else the discussion is entirely too polarizing, illustrated by how the comments more often than not devolve into "you're a this, or you're a that, because I don't agree with your perspective".

We might as well lock down the thread for a while.  The film's still more than a year away from release, and it'll be months before we have any actual news to discuss anyway.

[Convectuoso]

I saw there was activity on this thread and thought there was some news about the next movie, but no. Just more complaints about how disappointing TLJ was, and the everlasting SJW debate.

[azrael]

Or we can drop all this SJW-nonsense for a movie that is still in production, keep the thread open and I don't ban anyone. CONSIDER THIS YOUR ONLY WARNING.

[Thom]

On 9/23/2018 at 9:41 AM, TangledThorns said:

I'll just leave this right here.

 

That was real cool. I'd watch that!

As to them taking more than a year to bring out a movie, judging by recent examples, I'm all for it! And this is someone who likes TFA despite its flaws. And yeah, Solo as well...

The only real good SW movie in recent years was Rogue One (and that's despite scary Leia at the end...) TLJ was just 'okay' and that's because of how they had Luke end up, the two hour chase sequence that just treaded space, and the side adventure that went no where. Which, being realistic, happens a lot! A lot of times people try something that just doesn't work out. I think it still could have been survivable though if at the end, 1) Luke didn't die of exhaustion!! and, 2) if the Resistance had actually been saved at the end by the forces Leia was hoping would show up.

Even if it had just been a small relief fleet that blunted the First Orders attack, it would have given more hope to the ending and allowed more of the Resistance to survive. And if Luke hadn't died!!!!! But hey, he'll be a Force ghost in the next one, hurray...woohoo...

This third installment has a LOT to overcome. The bread crumbs left at the end of TFA - and simply ignored in TLJ - need to be picked up and threaded back into the narrative, which is not going to be an easy thing to do. And I don't know if JJ has the chops for it, especially as most of what he has done has been paying homage to beloved franchises by rebooting and recycling the old movies. And even if he is able to throw a Hail Mary play and come out with a winner, I don't know if the audiences is going to be there to even see it.

Look at Star Trek Beyond. That was a good damn movie, but people were still salty about Into Darkness that they didn't go to see the next one. TLJ was that level of Fail, partly because they started treating it like an assembly line (which is only good for churning out the exact same thing) and because they put it into the hands of a director who apparently had no idea what the fans wanted to see...

I'd say that the mistakes really started when they tossed out the EU in its entirety. The fans had become invested in those books and their expanded story lines. Now no, not all of them were good either, but they were a treasure trove of characters and plots that, in the end, were ultimately ignored for a retread.

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Thom

[Bolt]

That...was awesome. 

[TehPW]

I think people were salty towards STB because of the Axanar lawsuit more than anything else, mate.

 

As for Eps 9? I dunno… for the first time in my adult life, I actually might pass on viewing it at the Theater just out of reasonably, justifiable, concern that The Mouse will drive the IP deeply into the dirt.... 

[Duymon]

The Last Jedi wasn't a good movie for me. I know people like it but more power to them.

I usually don't pay attention to politics or drama. But when creators and their supporters began to be outright hostile to fans who are critical of TLJ I did start to care.

Name-calling and ranting about "toxic" fans is retarded. Blaming customers is retarded. But that's exactly what many people at Lucasfilm and the entertainment media have done.

I think I walked away from Star Wars after a white person told me I'm racist for not liking Rose Tico.

I'm Vietnamese. Let that sink in....

Now people are telling me the movie and the renewed franchise aren't for "toxic fans" like me.

Fine. I can deal with that. Just don't blame us when we don't go out to watch the movies and the box-office suffers.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Duymon