New Macross TV Series in 20xx (sometime this decade)

[Podtastic]

4 hours ago, kajnrig said:

I remember thinking this after that episode, too. Up to that point, it had followed all the tropes for a high school harem anime, and that was just more of the same. Hypersexualization is still a major criticism I have of the show, and of (shounen) anime culture in general.

Being ubiquitous doesn't mean it can't be a point of criticism, though. It would at least be more tolerable if it were more even-handed and the boys got crotch shots of their banana hammocks and had an episode where people chased Alto's sports cup through town or something. Have some legitimate sexual tension between Ozma and Bobby, same as between Sheryl and Ranka (and Ranka and Nanase?). And to be fair, Frontier does do a better job of bishounening Michel and Alto up than most shounen anime, but that's about the extent of it. There's nothing for the female gaze.

I saw Demi-chan wa Kataritai (Interviews with Monster Girls) when it was airing, and it handled sexualization pretty well, all things considered. It's closest to a high school harem anime, yet the only ones overtly sexualized are the two adults, and the show makes efforts to make that sexualization contextually appropriate (when the succubus teacher is actively/accidentally trying to seduce the human teacher, for instance). It doesn't have camera shots panning creepily over pubescent girls' bodies.

There are hints throughout the show before his death that he's interested in her as well, but that the fear of the social taboo against being romantic with a child(-looking teen/young adult) keeps him from acting on his interest.

Macross Delta, on the other hand, I think actually does a better job of keeping itself clean. (At least as far as I can remember, and I don't remember much, because... it's Delta.) Outside of their roles in Walkure, the girls are largely not made sexy for the viewer's sake. That being said, I don't know if that's because of admirable restraint on the part of the writers or because of general ineptitude on the part of the writers. Because... it's Delta.

I don't ever want to see "crotch shots" of anything other than a mecha.

[Podtastic]

7 hours ago, Zx31 said:

Yup. After an entire episode focused on chasing Sheryl's panties around campus, I about wrote the show off as being only about crude sex jokes and Alto being innept at most everything.

I was just glad to see some full size Zentraedi and the beautiful Queadluun-Rhea in action.

And the action with the Vajra was nice as well.

Other than that I'm used to having to "mentally filter" a lot of what I watch and read.

[ZOR prime]

Yep, the full size meltrandie was cool

[Seto Kaiba]

14 hours ago, Zx31 said:

I'm not saying it isn't in the other shows, I'm saying that it was such a major and obvious focus of Frontier that it caused me to hate watching it.

... you sure you didn't watch a different show that someone had retitled?  Macross Frontier did very little with fanservice of that type.  The vast majority of what little there was was only played purely for comedy.  Hell, there's more overt sexualization going on in DYRL?.  There are dirtier shorts in 7.

 

14 hours ago, Zx31 said:

My issue was that they also sexualized Ranka, Nanase, and Klan to an excessive degree. I actually like Klan as a character, but you can't tell me they didn't give her both of those forms for one very specific reason.

Klan Klan is the exception to the above, in that her fanservice was played not for laughs (most of the time) but put in place as a legitimate hinderance to her relationship with Michael Blanc.  Now, I'm sure the fetish fuel aspect is also intentional, but it's generally not overt (the kind of thing the dojinshi writers exploit because the show doesn't).

Ranka and Nanase though?  Nanase's barely in the bloody show to begin with, and the few times any reference is made to her before she's injured it's for comedy.  The series spends most of the run treating Ranka like a sheltered little kid, barring one hospital gown-related gag that was also played solely for comedy.

 

 

14 hours ago, frothymug said:

Well, you guys are making it sound like Frontier was borderline ecchi... which is not even close to the case. Yes, the panty episode was ridiculous. But if all you saw was the *ahem* "fan service", then you must have been looking for it where it isn't found.

I don't like fan service, either. But Frontier is soooo tame compared to the anime standard. There ARE 24 other episodes, you know.

The panty episode was ridiculous, but it was played purely for comedy... almost all of the fanservice was, even in Sheryl's case, and she was the show's Ms. Fanservice.

It's weird how some people are reacting like this was Stratos4, where the fighters and sci-fi plot were a tissue-paper thin veneer over what was basically softcore lesbian porn, or Strike Witches, which I managed to get through precisely one episode of before becoming convinced that it was operating on a level of creepy that normally merits a visit from Chris Hansen and the FBI.

 

 

7 hours ago, Podtastic said:

I don't ever want to see "crotch shots" of anything other than a mecha.

Be careful with Zone of the Enders... a mecha crotch-shot there could put your eye out.

 

[Zx31]

31 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

... you sure you didn't watch a different show that someone had retitled?  Macross Frontier did very little with fanservice of that type.  The vast majority of what little there was was only played purely for comedy.  Hell, there's more overt sexualization going on in DYRL?.  There are dirtier shorts in 7.

Episode 1 - Ranka gets soaking wet and is wearing only Alto's shirt
Episode 2 - Alto accidentally grabs Ranka's breast while fighting Vajra in a Valk
Episode 3 - While Alto, Sheryl, and Ranka are sheltering from the attack, the lights go out and Sheryl loses her top
Episode 3 - Ranka's lunch looks like a pair of exposed breasts with nipples
Episode 3 - Leon makes an advance on on Catherine that she resists
Episode 4 - Pagent (Most shows have done this, so it gets a pass)
Episode 5 - Sheryl and Alto hide in a locker. Alto's phone vibration stimulates Sheryl
Episode 8 - Sheryl, Ranka, and Nanase in the shower
Episode 8 - Sheryl's panties

That's just up to episode 8. I found none of these humorous and even if it was "played for comedy" it doesn't change my criticism.
 

It's fine if other people enjoyed the show. I was pressed for why it didn't work for me and have given my responses. If you disagree, that's fine, but I don't think we need the constant dismissive comments or excuses.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Zx31

[Lorindor]

54 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Now, I'm sure the fetish fuel aspect is also intentional, but it's generally not overt (the kind of thing the dojinshi writers exploit because the show doesn't).

Is entertainment without "fetish fuel" that much to ask for?

54 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Ranka and Nanase though?  Nanase's barely in the bloody show to begin with, and the few times any reference is made to her before she's injured it's for comedy.  The series spends most of the run treating Ranka like a sheltered little kid, barring one hospital gown-related gag that was also played solely for comedy.

 

The panty episode was ridiculous, but it was played purely for comedy... almost all of the fanservice was, even in Sheryl's case, and she was the show's Ms. Fanservice.

That it was meant as comedy doesn't make it less creepy. And come on, it's not purely for comedy. Anyone with any knowledge of Japanese otaku culture should know that. 

54 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It's weird how some people are reacting like this was Stratos4, where the fighters and sci-fi plot were a tissue-paper thin veneer over what was basically softcore lesbian porn, or Strike Witches, which I managed to get through precisely one episode of before becoming convinced that it was operating on a level of creepy that normally merits a visit from Chris Hansen and the FBI.

Way to exaggerate and dismiss valid criticism. "Look at them, they did it waaaay worse" is seldom a good excuse.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Lorindor

[Seto Kaiba]

41 minutes ago, Zx31 said:

Episode 1 - Ranka gets soaking wet and is wearing only Alto's shirt
Episode 2 - Alto accidentally grabs Ranka's breast while fighting Vajra in a Valk
Episode 3 - While Alto, Sheryl, and Ranka are sheltering from the attack, the lights go out and Sheryl loses her top
Episode 3 - Ranka's lunch looks like a pair of exposed breasts with nipples
Episode 3 - Leon makes an advance on on Catherine that she resists
Episode 4 - Pagent (Most shows have done this, so it gets a pass)
Episode 5 - Sheryl and Alto hide in a locker. Alto's phone vibration stimulates Sheryl
Episode 8 - Sheryl, Ranka, and Nanase in the shower
Episode 8 - Sheryl's panties

That's just up to episode 8. I found none of these humorous and even if it was "played for comedy" it doesn't change my criticism.

You're definitely not lending your criticism much validity with a list like this, though... but it does highlight a case of not understanding attitudes other cultures have on certain things.  There is nothing sexual about communal bathing in Japan, for instance.  In general, Japan isn't quite so prudish as America is though, which is something that often doesn't translate well for viewers in other countries.

There's only one item on this list that's even remotely sexual that isn't played directly for comedy purposes... and that's the scene that establishes that Leon and Cathy are lovers.  Most of the list would be considered fairly standard comedy tropes even in America, particularly the suggestively shaped food.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Lorindor said:

Is entertainment without "fetish fuel" that much to ask for?

Everything is someone's fetish, mate... there are over seven billion people on this planet and most anything you could think of turns someone's crank.  It's usually better not to think about it.

 

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That it was meant as comedy doesn't make it less creepy. And come on, it's not purely for comedy. Anyone with any knowledge of Japanese otaku culture should know that. 

It's up to the otaku to make something else of it, that's why there's such a brisk market for things like doujinshi. ;-) 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Seto Kaiba

[Zx31]

24 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

You're definitely not lending your criticism much validity with a list like this, though... but it does highlight a case of not understanding attitudes other cultures have on certain things.  There is nothing sexual about communal bathing in Japan, for instance.  In general, Japan isn't quite so prudish as America is though, which is something that often doesn't translate well for viewers in other countries.

There's only one item on this list that's even remotely sexual that isn't played directly for comedy purposes... and that's the scene that establishes that Leon and Cathy are lovers.  Most of the list would be considered fairly standard comedy tropes even in America, particularly the suggestively shaped food.

No, I completely understand the culture and tropes. What you fail to understand is that people can have knowledge and understanding of these things and still find them unappealing.

[ZOR prime]

sheesh all this ranting reminds me if another forum.

Wonder which one.........?

[Zx31]

Honestly, this is why I rarely post and why everyone I know says not to come to MWF if you dislike Frontier or like Delta

Edited July 21, 2017 by Zx31

[Seto Kaiba]

13 minutes ago, Zx31 said:

No, I completely understand the culture and tropes. What you fail to understand is that people can have knowledge and understanding of these things and still find them unappealing.

Your previous replies suggest your understanding is less complete than you believe it to be... but nobody's going to judge you for not liking these things.  They will, however, be inclined to look at you funny if you make a fuss about them like they were something new or unusual.

As I noted previously, these things are nothing unusual for a Macross series and many other titles both in the franchise and elsewhere contain much more overt sexuality than this.... something the people with complaints about Frontier and Delta gloss over or ignore with alarming consistency.

 

2 minutes ago, Zx31 said:

Honestly, this is why I rarely post and why everyone I know says not to come to MWF if you dislike Frontier and like Delta

Really now? 

Ironic indeed, given that many Facebook groups will tell you the exact polar opposite of that... that this site is a den of evil, grumpy oldtaku who hate Frontier and Delta with a passion.

I guess that just shows that everyone's views are a little different. 

[Zx31]

9 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

that this site is a den of evil

I mean, that part is the same.

 

Also, I never said those issues were new, only that they seemed to be over-done and way more of the focus of Frontier compared to other shows (in my opinion). My main issue with the responses was with those that were responding as if I was wrong or felt like they needed to explain Frontier, and not that they simply disagreed with me. I completely understand why people like the show and I'm not here to tell anyone they are wrong for liking it.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Zx31

[kajnrig]

In my case, like I said before, I would be totally fine with sexuality outside of contextually-appropriate situations if it were more equitable, but that it's centered so much on the girls and made so much for and by men is... off-putting, but also just kind of boring. I remember watching almost all the high school portions and the sexual comedy with eyes glazed over. It's all recycled from stuff I saw in Ranma 1/2 twenty years ago, and that's probably the only show that's ever managed to make that specific type of humor funny.

[Focslain]

So to pull this back on track.

Haven't seen any word on the new seris lately. A quick look back showed that they were doing auditions for the new vocal talent a good two years prior, but didn't really release any series info until about six months prior to airing.

With that time table we can assume that this would be a continuation on Delta or that we might see return of other singers at least. But we are approaching 2018 and no real word yet.

Less I missed something (a likely thing) recently.

[Seto Kaiba]

44 minutes ago, Zx31 said:

I mean, that part is the same.

Hey now... I might be evil, even if it's more Guild of Calamitous Intent-evil than actual villain-evil (I'm trying dammit!), but the site's Chaotic Neutral at worst. 

 

 

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Also, I never said those issues were new, only that they seemed to be over-done and way more of the focus of Frontier compared to other shows (in my opinion).

I dunno... from my view, Frontier and Delta are actually pretty darn reserved about fanservice even compared to previous Macross works.  They certainly cross fewer lines than previous shows.  7 has, for my money, refused to stop at taking the cake and absconded with the whole damned bakery.  

The "Dakedo Baby" ED's stills of a naked Mylene in the shower, Sivil's possessing women to get her leg over Basara, and the skirt-flipping kid aside, they had an entire OVA's B-plot devoted to Mylene being pursued by a bisexual producer and no less than three stories devoted to the idea that Max and Milia were cheating on each other (one of which took pains to make it sound like the audience was about to see her in the act).  Played for laughs, with the exception of the Dynamite 7 B-plot being a very traumatic experience for Mylene, but still... 

(I haven't quite forgotten that The Lost Two Years indicates Zentradi found their way into the porn industry not long after the First Space War ended, or the novelizations removing the question mark from several different "They did?" moments in their respective TV shows.  I fully expect the Delta novelization to follow suit... or should that be "follow birthday suit"?)

 

 

6 minutes ago, Focslain said:

Haven't seen any word on the new seris lately. A quick look back showed that they were doing auditions for the new vocal talent a good two years prior, but didn't really release any series info until about six months prior to airing.

It's possible they may have obtained someone through a recording agency while Delta was going on and simply didn't publicize it.  They didn't exactly hold public auditions for Minmay or Basara, for instance.  Or it's also possible they decided to go with something like Macross R where there isn't a prominently-featured singer.  (Kawamori had hinted he wanted to do something like that before the Delta series was revealed.)

 

EDIT: R did technically have a singer, but she was a retired singer who'd opted to change careers and become a pilot.

 

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With that time table we can assume that this would be a continuation on Delta or that we might see return of other singers at least. But we are approaching 2018 and no real word yet.

Less I missed something (a likely thing) recently.

The Delta continuation is, IMO, the least probable theory given Kawamori's avowed dislike of doing direct sequels.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Seto Kaiba

[Focslain]

4 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I dunno... from my view, Frontier and Delta are actually pretty darn reserved about fanservice even compared to previous Macross works.  They certainly cross fewer lines than previous shows.  7 has, for my money, refused to stop at taking the cake and absconded with the whole damned bakery.  

 

Was staying away from the which is worse, Delta or Frontier since 7 was far dirtier. As you stated. Also thankfully I wasn't drinking when I read this otherwise I would have sprayed coffee all over my desk.

And thanks for the info on the prior series.

[Seto Kaiba]

1 minute ago, Focslain said:

Was staying away from the which is worse, Delta or Frontier since 7 was far dirtier. As you stated. Also thankfully I wasn't drinking when I read this otherwise I would have sprayed coffee all over my desk.

And thanks for the info on the prior series.

Personally, after Delta's overwhelming emphasis on music I'd prefer to see some fanservice for us mechaheads... an animated version of Macross R would do nicely, and maybe result in something nice like a DX VF-19ACTIVE, a v3 YF-25 Prophecy with Paladin Pack, or a Sv-52 Oryol. 

[Focslain]

A nice fleet battle or two as well would be nice. However if we are looking at a series and not a movie I'd like to have an least one concert episode.

[kajnrig]

47 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

It's possible they may have obtained someone through a recording agency while Delta was going on and simply didn't publicize it.  They didn't exactly hold public auditions for Minmay or Basara, for instance.  Or it's also possible they decided to go with something like Macross R where there isn't a prominently-featured singer.  (Kawamori had hinted he wanted to do something like that before the Delta series was revealed.)

 

EDIT: R did technically have a singer, but she was a retired singer who'd opted to change careers and become a pilot.

I'd be interested in this. A show without singers altogether, or where they are relegated to the background, or one where a retired singer either chooses to or has to make a comeback. They kind of hinted at a similar angle in Delta with Kaname, but that, like much else in Delta, didn't get to go anywhere.

[anime52k8]

The mental image I get from reading what some people want and don't want out of this franchise is both hilarious and terrifying. 

[ZOR prime]

the Japanese are big on nudity.

They have been for sometime.

I still enjoy frontier and yea Delta.

[Seto Kaiba]

42 minutes ago, anime52k8 said:

The mental image I get from reading what some people want and don't want out of this franchise is both hilarious and terrifying. 

That's half the fun of speculating!

(I've often thought it'd be really interesting and fun if they got away from having the main cast be soldiers in an elite unit and instead gave us the story of the military's incorrigible screwups.  Like a version of Red Dwarf for the Macross setting, or a Tag and Bink are Dead-style self-parody.  A series focused on the Kakizakis and Dockers of the world...)

Edited July 21, 2017 by Seto Kaiba

[dizman]

Count me in for a series about the many Kakizaki clones and their wacky antics, complete with at least one mandatory death at the end of each episode.

[Lorindor]

3 hours ago, Focslain said:

A nice fleet battle or two as well would be nice. However if we are looking at a series and not a movie I'd like to have an least one concert episode.

Isn't almost every episode concert episode in modern Macross? No need to worry about that.

As for fleet battles, it's been long since we got a good one. There used to be battles with million of ships involved, but not anymore. 

[Seto Kaiba]

1 hour ago, dizman said:

Count me in for a series about the many Kakizaki clones and their wacky antics, complete with at least one mandatory death at the end of each episode.

The mental image I'm getting is hovering somewhere between the utter incompetence of the 21st Century Defense Security contractors in Chikyū Bōei Kigyō Dai-Guard and Shizuru instantly giving Kouji up for dead anytime his robot is shot down in Shinkon Gattai Godannar... and it is WONDERFUL.  Does anyone have a mailing address for Kawamori?  We need to recommend this bit of madness immediately.

 

9 minutes ago, Lorindor said:

Isn't almost every episode concert episode in modern Macross? No need to worry about that.

As for fleet battles, it's been long since we got a good one. There used to be battles with million of ships involved, but not anymore. 

Maybe in Delta... but that's only to be expected when singing has been weaponized in the most stringently literal sense like it was in 7.  Frontier was much more reserved about it.

It has been way too long since there's been a decent fleet battle though.  We know they happen, because the Federal New UN Forces are the metaphorical bigger stick for precisely that kind of a thing, but Frontier only really had the last one since the Vajra don't really do ships much outside the movies and in 7 the only real battle where two fleets squared off was the setup for an incredibly lame joke in "Fleet of the Strongest Women".

Delta itself kind of makes you wonder where all the Battle-class ships went.  The Brisingr Alliance can't have been founded by just one emigrant fleet, since there are over 20 inhabited worlds, and there weren't THAT many Megaroad-class ships built.  They should've had a few supercarriers out and about to beat Windermere's head in.

[Chronocidal]

Now all I can think of is going the route they went in the Wraith Squadron X-Wing novels, and the only ultimate (il)logical conclusion to this is if they wind up with one of Gubaba's race as an ace pilot.

[Valkyrie Griffon]

On 1/29/2017 at 3:53 PM, Lorindor said:

I have a dreadful feeling that this new series will be something like Macross Delta S2. Normally, I would be geeked out by this kind of news, but there's no enthusiasm from me at all. 

I couldn't agree more. Totally geeked out when Patlabor EZY was announced (and with it being presented by Headgear maybe Oshii is involved?!?!). Macross Delta-Scramble-Girly-Song-Force-2.0 or whatever this new project turns out to be???? Pass. Watched about 5 minutes of the first Delta episode and couldn't stand it....it was like Otomedius the anime....except that Otomedius was an intentionally silly parody of Konami's own also-silly Parodius shooter/shmup games...and yet Delta is supposed to be taken seriously. Barf. One of the worst examples ever of a company spitting on me as a consumer.

[Valkyrie addict]

Well,  whatever they do... NO MORE SCISSOR MANEOUVER DOGFIGHTING GRUNTING AND SUDDEN DISENGAGING 

They're planes that turn into robots... how about some hand to hand combat mix with crazy aerobatics and itano circus action... geeez

The macross universe has enough valks to cover any type of battle situation, I'd love some OVA about a covert unit with specially modded existing valks that deals with specs ops or the missions noone wants to do.  They've already stablished NUNS is corrupt, so this unit would deal, fix and stop the mess of corrupt NUNS actions.

[Master Dex]

1 hour ago, Valkyrie addict said:

Well,  whatever they do... NO MORE SCISSOR MANEOUVER DOGFIGHTING GRUNTING AND SUDDEN DISENGAGING 

They're planes that turn into robots... how about some hand to hand combat mix with crazy aerobatics and itano circus action... geeez

The macross universe has enough valks to cover any type of battle situation, I'd love some OVA about a covert unit with specially modded existing valks that deals with specs ops or the missions noone wants to do.  They've already stablished NUNS is corrupt, so this unit would deal, fix and stop the mess of corrupt NUNS actions.

I actually suspect this is a lot of what Federal NUNS units do with their massively overpowered VF-24s and their alleged tactical short range folding (with fold boosters, that is something the YF-24 design was sold on as a thing it could do). In my head canon, they do have shadow units that do a lot of sooper sekrit stuff both internally and externally.. but they can't be everywhere. That is why NUNS decentralized in the first place after all, lol.

[Sir Galahad®]

2 hours ago, Master Dex said:

I actually suspect this is a lot of what Federal NUNS units do with their massively overpowered VF-24s and their alleged tactical short range folding (with fold boosters, that is something the YF-24 design was sold on as a thing it could do). In my head canon, they do have shadow units that do a lot of sooper sekrit stuff both internally and externally.. but they can't be everywhere. That is why NUNS decentralized in the first place after all, lol.

 

How far was Earth to Eden for both the YF-19 and YF-21 to fold there? I mean if there were fold boosters attached, doesn't that mean any high output engine can do it as well?

Edited July 24, 2017 by Sir Galahad®
grammar correction

[sketchley]

It's 11.7 ly (that's for any vehicle, not just the AVF).

Here's what I've gleaned over the years on Fold Navigation: http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/Stats/Locations/FoldNavigation.php

The most important would be the travel times (conventional Fold Drive rate based on the time it took the AVF to Fold from Eden to Earth*).  I think it will answer your question on how far it is, in both the literal (distance) and figurative (travel time) senses.

Note: the VF-24 would be using the equivalent of a Super Fold Booster.

 

Some more info on Eden (green is the official setting): http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/Stats/Locations/Eden.php

* the number may be an average of the two travel times given for the transit (memory is not serving me at the moment T.T).

 

 

 

[Seto Kaiba]

5 hours ago, Valkyrie addict said:

The macross universe has enough valks to cover any type of battle situation, I'd love some OVA about a covert unit with specially modded existing valks that deals with specs ops or the missions noone wants to do.  They've already stablished NUNS is corrupt, so this unit would deal, fix and stop the mess of corrupt NUNS actions.

They really haven't established that the New UN Forces are corrupt... in fact, we've barely seen the REAL New UN Forces.  Most of what we've gotten has been the local boys... the forces maintained by the individual emigrant worlds or fleets, who are organizationally kind of like either national guard reservists or a state militia.  They're subordinate to the real New UN Forces, the federal troops who we've only had a couple of brief glimpses of because they don't intervene in inter-colony fighting, etc.  

The closest we've seen to corruption in the Federal New UN Forces is Latence, an Earth supremacist splinter faction that was defeated by a special forces unit back in 2051.  The local troops have it worse, but the only legitimately corrupt one we've seen has been Leon Mishima... Macross Galaxy's troops are off the hook because they were being mind-controlled by the Galaxy executives rather than being corrupt, and Brisingr's 2nd staff office gets a pass because not only were they not up to no good, they tried to nip the problem in the bud before it could even start to pose a threat and ultimately failed because of Wright Immelmann's stupidity.  The secret meetings Delta tries and fails to play off as ominous are, on the face of it, mostly the brass griping to themselves that they saw this crap coming, failed to prevent it, and are wishing they had their shiny new countermeasures back in the day.

 

 

3 hours ago, Master Dex said:

I actually suspect this is a lot of what Federal NUNS units do with their massively overpowered VF-24s and their alleged tactical short range folding (with fold boosters, that is something the YF-24 design was sold on as a thing it could do). In my head canon, they do have shadow units that do a lot of sooper sekrit stuff both internally and externally.. but they can't be everywhere. That is why NUNS decentralized in the first place after all, lol.

Not a lot of need to imagine that one, it's basically confirmed outright via Macross R... though their sooper sekret tactical espionage action actually involves modded-beyond-belief VF-1s because those things are practically invisible in plain sight now that they're a commercially-available VF.  (Hakuna Aoba's VF-1X++ is an example, albeit one modded for racing.)  The VF-24, I would assume, is there for situations that require the BIGGEST STICK like Zentradi rogue fleets, intervening when intercolony hostility gets out of hand, and other threats that the proles in the emigrant fleets don't get told about.  The YF-19 and YF-21 were designed for a similar operation profile... going into wars with colonists and executing decapitation strikes to stop conflicts quickly, as Millard explains to Isamu when introducing him to the program in Plus.

The decentralization was more a "coping with the reality of fold physics" thing... hard to micromanage a force half a galaxy away when it'd take ten years to trave there, and days or weeks to get even the simplest message there.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Sir Galahad® said:

How far was Earth to Eden for both the YF-19 and YF-21 to fold there? I mean if there were fold boosters attached, doesn't that mean any high output engine can do it as well?

11.7 light years.  Eden is the closest emigrant world to the Sol system, and was discovered by a short-range expedition in the time between the Megaroad-01 and Megaroad-02 launches.  It's not even enough range to push the fold booster to its limits, those were rated for a one-way trip of up to 20 light years.

The oldest craft we have a mention of a fold booster being used with is a VF-11, so presumably you don't even need reactors that are all that powerful for a short-range jump, just avionics capable of supporting the fold booster.

[Sir Galahad®]

Having a girl group alone is fanservice, given that Japan has a fascination with girl groups... I mean look at all the 48's

I think for a mecha show, Delta has a very few battles. I wanna see the potential of the VF-31 and the SV-262 in Battroid mode. Although it was a bit corny with the Giant Sword though, knowing that that is more of a Gundam thing (which I think Macross was trying to avoid, which was already skimming the edge with those knives in Frontier). We never saw the potential of that in Delta that made me think that Frontier's Skull Squadron would overpower the Aerial knights or the Delta Squadron given the fact that the Vajra were harder to handle.

BTW, so if this 2018 would feature Delta 2, what would be the plot? I can't think of anything to pick up from what happened in Delta's Ending.

[Seto Kaiba]

44 minutes ago, Sir Galahad® said:

BTW, so if this 2018 would feature Delta 2, what would be the plot? I can't think of anything to pick up from what happened in Delta's Ending.

Beats me, Macross Delta didn't really leave any plausible way to continue the plot that I can see.  

We saw, late in the series, that Windermere's forces didn't even have the numbers or the skill to defeat the underfunded local New UN Forces of the Brisingr Alliance without King Ketchup's fold song mind-controlling the enemy and enhancing their abilities... and that was BEFORE they got creamed by Xaos and those New UN Forces.  King Ketchup's out of action, apparently permanently, and the only other wind singer in play is on the New UN Government's side.  The Star Shrine is disabled.  Half of the Aerial Knights top aces are dead, and of the remaining four three are closet Walkure fanboys (Theo, Xao, Bogue) and one (Hermann) opposed the war to begin with.  Epsilon Foundation can no longer support the Windermerean cause thanks to Berger's defection, so since Windermere IV is an underdeveloped, economically-hobbled agri-world they have no way to obtain fresh ships and fighters to replace their losses.  Since the cat's out of the bag WRT Windermere's food exports being tainted by the compounds that cause Var syndrome, they're about to have one hell of an economic recession since agriculture was pretty much their entire economy.

I don't think a Macross antagonist has ever been neutered quite so comprehensively before.  What manner of ongoing threat are they supposed to pose when there's a handful of ships and a maybe a few hundred Drakens at most between them and having to resort to harsh language and thrown apple pies?

[ZOR prime]

14 hours ago, Sir Galahad® said:

 

How far was Earth to Eden for both the YF-19 and YF-21 to fold there? I mean if there were fold boosters attached, doesn't that mean any high output engine can do it as well?

 Possible