Sony Pictures Entertainment Should Sony Pictures Entertainment release Macross on Blu-Ray?

[Macrossfanx9]

As a recent fan of the awesome Anime Classic,The Super Dimension Fortress Macross. I am aware that Sony Pictures Entertainment owns the movie rights to Robotech movie, as well as home video/digital distribution/internet streaming for the Robotech series. It also means that Sony Pictures Entertainment has the rights to re-release The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA.

Because if Sony Pictures Entertainment did release the Ultimate The Super Dimension Fortress Macross Blu-Ray set, it would include the following:

Master footage transfer based on the Japanese Blu-Ray release of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B006QRCBG2

All DVD/Blu-Ray extras from the previous DVD releases such as AnimEigo/ADV, as well as Japanese DVD/Blu-Ray extras, along with new extras.

Has the original Japanese audio from the Japanese Blu-Ray release complete with subtitles based on the ADV DVD release. (The AnimeEigo subtitles had a few errors corrected on the ADV releases.)

Has the 2006 ADV English dub complete with a new redub featuring most of the actors reprising their roles from Robotech except for Hikaru Ichijyo being voiced by Vic Mignogna and Lynn Minmay by Mari Iijima. (note: both Vic Mignogna and Mari Iijima live in Los Angeles, where Sony Pictures Entertainment is located.)

Would you buy the Ultimate Blu-Ray set if it got made alongside other additions, let me know?

Edited October 31, 2016 by Macrossfanx9

[Seto Kaiba]

Because if Sony Pictures Entertainment did release the Ultimate The Super Dimension Fortress Macross Blu-Ray set, it would include the following:

Master footage transfer based on the Japanese Blu-Ray release of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B006QRCBG2

This will never happen, because neither Sony nor the clueless idiots behind The Show That Must Not Be Named have access to the Japanese BD transfers... and likely never will, because Big West doesn't do business with the clowns in Cali, and rightly so.

All DVD/Blu-Ray extras from the previous DVD releases such as AnimEigo/ADV, as well as Japanese DVD/Blu-Ray extras, along with new extras.

They don't have any rights to the Japanese DVD/BD extra features, so they wouldn't be legally allowed to include them.

If they did, they'd be sued for copyright infringement.

I would not, and will not, purchase any Macross goods that would support Harmony Gold in any way. I don't think many Macross fans would.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Seto Kaiba

[Einherjar]

I think you're about 25 to 30 years past the point where the involved companies would have any respect for the show and real creators to care.

[Oihan]

Even though I already have the original box set, and with all of the HG/legal issues aside, I most definitely would buy it on Blu-ray again if it came with subtitles. In fact, I am hoping for a 4K/HDR remaster to eventually come. One can dream....

[Gordon Freeman]

Not if it's money going to Harmony Gold. However if Sony torched the franchise and said they were going released subbed/dubbed(anybody but Funimation) versions of the real Macross sequels instead. Fans would buy it. For right now its better to just import the subtitled DVD/BDs instead.

Most are real Macross fans are hoping HG+Sony's movie project dies, or just out right tanks at the box office. Though nobody want's it except for baby boomers and Gen-X nostalgia babies

Edited January 28, 2017 by Gordon Freeman

[Zinjo]

I think you're about 25 to 30 years past the point where the involved companies would have any respect for the show and real creators to care.

Honor has no time limit for the Japanese. Tatsunoko dishonored itself to BW by trying to steal the IP rights to Macross and HG was painted with the same brush by supporting Tatsunoko. Then add to all the other nonsense HG pulled with respect to Trademarks, BW will NEVER partner with Tats or HG. Sony would be better served by buying out HG and Tats' interest in Macross before they'd get BW's property rights.

Not if it's money going to Harmony Gold. However if Sony torched the franchise and said they were going released subbed/dubbed(anybody but Funimation) versions of the real Macross sequels instead. Fans would buy it. For right now its better to just import the subtitled DVD/BDs instead.

Must are real Macross fans are hoping HG+Sony's movie project dies, or just out right tanks at the box office. Though nobody want's it except for baby boomers and Gen-X nostalgia babies

If Sony were serious about being a Western distribution arm for Macross they'd buy out HG's interest in any trademarks related to Macross. Big West would work with Sony directly on such deals so long as HG didn't get a dime of the profits.

[NBasara]

NO WAY WOULD I SUPPORT THIS! If it goes through Sony, it would mean it also goes through HG and I will not support that company!

[UN Spacy]

F.UCK HARMONY GOLD.

[JB0]

Sorry, Macrossfanx9. I know you are new to the franchise and hyped at this prospect, but there is a LOT of bad blood between us and Harmony Gold for various historical and not-so-historical reasons.

The short version is that they have been tremendous dicks(to put it mildly) to both the fanbase and the creators, and there is no great love for them here.

Consequently most of us would, to put it bluntly, rather dance while they burn than give them one red cent. Hence the less-than-warm reception your idea has generated.

[Macrossfanx9]

Sorry, Macrossfanx9. I know you are new to the franchise and hyped at this prospect, but there is a LOT of bad blood between us and Harmony Gold for various historical and not-so-historical reasons.

The short version is that they have been tremendous dicks(to put it mildly) to both the fanbase and the creators, and there is no great love for them here.

Consequently most of us would, to put it bluntly, rather dance while they burn than give them one red cent. Hence the less-than-warm reception your idea has generated.

I am aware about HG with the franchise, and knowing their track recored with both Robotech and Macross. It has a slim to none chance of happining. But I did do a poll above which has more yes votes then no votes, but you never know?

[Einherjar]

A Japanese blu-ray set was already released and there are members of this forum who helped officially translate the Fronter movies to English and now doing the same work on the Delta blu-rays. In a couple of years we might not need Sony or HG's token efforts.

[mamochan]

I'm assuming those forum members also did the same thing with Macross Plus movie a few years back?

[Tochiro]

I'm assuming those forum members also did the same thing with Macross Plus movie a few years back?

No. It is unknown where those particular lesser quality subs came from.

[no3Ljm]

No for me. But I would buy an Ultimate release with proper subtitles and feature but not tied whatsoever with HG.

I got confused at first since what you mentioned is that Sony has the rights to release anything related to Robotech, correct? So if they do release the SDFM series separately, does that mean they're going to release the 'original story' told in SDFM or story 'told' in Robotech? I don't think they have the right on the original story here, correct? So how come one can release the original story if they don't have right to? So what you're asking here is the Ultimate Robotech Macross Saga not The Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

[Lorindor]

I got confused at first since what you mentioned is that Sony has the rights to release anything related to Robotech, correct? So if they do release the SDFM series separately, does that mean they're going to release the 'original story' told in SDFM or story 'told' in Robotech? I don't think they have the right on the original story here, correct? So how come one can release the original story if they don't have right to? So what you're asking here is the Ultimate Robotech Macross Saga not The Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

Well, yeah, the home media and streaming rights for SDFM are at the moment in the hands of Amazon, so the premise in the original post is not correct. But exactly which sub-licensee under HG that would release this proposed edition is a bit irrelevant, I think.

[Einherjar]

The real answer to this poll is that tearjerker pic of Seymour from Futurama. Wishful thinking regarding these folks hasn't payed off since the AnimEigo DVD set.

[Zinjo]

No for me. But I would buy an Ultimate release with proper subtitles and feature but not tied whatsoever with HG.

I got confused at first since what you mentioned is that Sony has the rights to release anything related to Robotech, correct? So if they do release the SDFM series separately, does that mean they're going to release the 'original story' told in SDFM or story 'told' in Robotech? I don't think they have the right on the original story here, correct? So how come one can release the original story if they don't have right to? So what you're asking here is the Ultimate Robotech Macross Saga not The Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

They have the international rights to the animation of SDFM and international merch rights to the same series. So, yes they can release (and have) an SDFM series on DVD.

I am doubtful they could release on BD since they don't have the original film stock like Big West does in Japan.

Their effort to dub the series was pathetic at best and insulting at worst, despite getting Mari Ijima to voice the Minmay character again.

For Sony, they'd have to end of their association with the succubus aka Harmony Gold to get access to any of the IP material and resources for SDFM and for what has come after SDFM. They'd have to pay off the media whore HG for the trademarks for Macross that they erroneously secured.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Zinjo

[Macrossfanx9]

No for me. But I would buy an Ultimate release with proper subtitles and feature but not tied whatsoever with HG.

I got confused at first since what you mentioned is that Sony has the rights to release anything related to Robotech, correct? So if they do release the SDFM series separately, does that mean they're going to release the 'original story' told in SDFM or story 'told' in Robotech? I don't think they have the right on the original story here, correct? So how come one can release the original story if they don't have right to? So what you're asking here is the Ultimate Robotech Macross Saga not The Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

Because Sony has the rights to Robotech, it does lead to the potential possibility for Sony to do DVD/Blu-Ray re-releases and streaming of the 3 related Japanese series The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA if they chose to do. But that is up to both Sony and HG which depends on the complicated licensing issues.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Macrossfanx9

[JB0]

Personal expectation: if anything happens, it'll be Sony releases it on DVD again, likely very close to a bit-perfect copy of the mediocre ADV set.

And then HG sends C&D letters to everyone they see importing the japanese DVDs or BluRays of any Macross installment, with the additional demand that all copies must be delivered to HG's office for disposal. (Yes, HG, I still remember that little stunt.)

[no3Ljm]

They have the international rights to the animation of SDFM and international merch rights to the same series. So, yes they can release (and have) an SDFM series on DVD.

So that means, they can release the original story and not the doctored-Robotech-story. Still a no if it's under HG.

Because Sony has the rights to Robotech, it does lead to the potential possibility for Sony to do DVD/Blu-Ray re-releases and streaming of the 3 related Japanese series The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA if they chose to do. But that is up to both Sony and HG which depends on the complicated licensing issues.

I understand what you're saying. That's why I just asked if they do, do they have the rights to release the 'original' separate stories and not the 'doctored-Robotech-story'. Since Zinjo already answered my question, then it's safe to assume that Sony also can release the original story for each individual series. And like I said earlier, I'm only in if it's an ultimate release but not tied with HG. Besides, I'm already happy with my digital copies of Macross and Mospeada.

[Mazinger]

I will do my best to never allow any of my money to end up in Harmony Gold's pocket, so no, I won't giving money to Sony neither for a new video release nor the supposed vapor-ware of a movie.

[Zinjo]

So that means, they can release the original story and not the doctored-Robotech-story. Still a no if it's under HG.

I understand what you're saying. That's why I just asked if they do, do they have the rights to release the 'original' separate stories and not the 'doctored-Robotech-story'. Since Zinjo already answered my question, then it's safe to assume that Sony also can release the original story for each individual series. And like I said earlier, I'm only in if it's an ultimate release but not tied with HG. Besides, I'm already happy with my digital copies of Macross and Mospeada.

HG already has released "their" version of Macross on DVD dubbed in English. The subtitles are from the AnimeEigo release in the mid 2000's under a sub-license from HG. HG has not re-released these after they sold out the AE stock they got back when the license period ended.

To do a BD release Sony/HG would need access to the anime film masters owned by Big West and they'll never get that, which is why the SDFM series on BD is only available from Japan.

Personal expectation: if anything happens, it'll be Sony releases it on DVD again, likely very close to a bit-perfect copy of the mediocre ADV set.

And then HG sends C&D letters to everyone they see importing the japanese DVDs or BluRays of any Macross installment, with the additional demand that all copies must be delivered to HG's office for disposal. (Yes, HG, I still remember that little stunt.)

Yeah, well import law does not recognize domestic licensing when an item is imported directly from the source country <flips the Agrama family the bird >

Edited November 8, 2016 by Zinjo

[VF-18S Hornet]

On 11/4/2016 at 10:56 PM, Einherjar said:

A Japanese blu-ray set was already released and there are members of this forum who helped officially translate the Fronter movies to English and now doing the same work on the Delta blu-rays. In a couple of years we might not need Sony or HG's token efforts.

I wish I had known about the Frontier movies being subbed. Does anyone have a two copies they are willing to part with. Or just copy the Subbed versions of both movies onto another disc to send to me.

 

[Einherjar]

How about you buy it like a normal person on Amazon.

To the original poster and anyone still not in the know, you're only getting this on some place like Crackle and Sony's plans will be a Robotech movie.  And in the same vain as the shady reputation Toynami and Palladium Books has gotten over the years, only Harmony Gold would sell their souls to a studio that was not only allegedly hacked/intimidated by North Korea, but is currently almost one billion dollars in the red.

Sony Film Unit Posts $920 Million Quarterly Loss

Edited February 15, 2017 by Einherjar

[mamochan]

This is why I bought the SDF Macross Blu-rays from Japan.  There's no way in hell hg would ever put Macross on Blu-ray.  I don't know how AnimEigo was able to sub license SDFM from hg.  Hell must've froze over 100 times over?  With sony in charge, they may or may not release it onto blu-ray. 

Let's say Sony does make a release. Will they use proper subtitles? Dubtitles? Ick! (Manga ruined GITS SAC Blu-rays recently). Then there's the video source. Will they use AnimEigo's old DVD source and upscale? I can't even imagine what that would like.  

Screw sony and hg.  Avoid them like the plague. Because of them, we'll never see any Macross in Blu-ray.

The only way to enjoy Macross is to either download or buy them.

 

[no3Ljm]

On 2/21/2017 at 5:50 PM, mamochan said:

This is why I bought the SDF Macross Blu-rays from Japan.  There's no way in hell hg would ever put Macross on Blu-ray.  I don't know how AnimEigo was able to sub license SDFM from hg.  Hell must've froze over 100 times over?  With sony in charge, they may or may not release it onto blu-ray. 

Let's say Sony does make a release. Will they use proper subtitles? Dubtitles? Ick! (Manga ruined GITS SAC Blu-rays recently). Then there's the video source. Will they use AnimEigo's old DVD source and upscale? I can't even imagine what that would like.  

Screw sony and hg.  Avoid them like the plague. Because of them, we'll never see any Macross in Blu-ray.

The only way to enjoy Macross is to either download or buy them.

Edited for yah. 

 

[Zinjo]

On 2/21/2017 at 5:50 PM, mamochan said:

This is why I bought the SDF Macross Blu-rays from Japan.  There's no way in hell hg would ever put Macross on Blu-ray.  I don't know how AnimEigo was able to sub license SDFM from hg.  Hell must've froze over 100 times over?  With sony in charge, they may or may not release it onto blu-ray. 

Let's say Sony does make a release. Will they use proper subtitles? Dubtitles? Ick! (Manga ruined GITS SAC Blu-rays recently). Then there's the video source. Will they use AnimEigo's old DVD source and upscale? I can't even imagine what that would like.  

Screw sony and hg.  Avoid them like the plague. Because of them, we'll never see any Macross in Blu-ray.

The only way to enjoy Macross is to either download or buy them.

 

They likely got the license in the 90's when RT had lost its popularity in the general marketplace and HG was ignoring the property.  This is also the time when Manga Ent. licensed Macross Plus directly from Big West and released their dubs of the OVA and Movie (with the relatively unknown actor Brian Cranston voicing Isamu). 

It wasn't until the early 00's that the brand was resurrected and HG started a hardcore campaign to secure the rights they had and any others they had no rights to.  From 2000 - 2003 there was a trademark battle between HG and BW at the same time BW was fighting with Tatsunoko over the IP rights to SDFM.  BW won the IP case in Japan but failed to protect it's trademark in the Western markets and so HG started registering the Macross trademark they had no rights to.   That resulted in a blockade of new Macross productions in Western markets because BW would not be blackmailed into paying someone else to show their content outside of Japan.

Personally I think BW should challenge all the trademarks, particularly in Countries that do not require a court date to decide.  Countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc...  If they successfully recover their trademarks in those countries they will be a stronger position to argue the case in countries like the US, where a judge has to decide such things.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Zinjo

[JB0]

On 2/23/2017 at 3:59 PM, no3Ljm said:

Edited for yah. 

 

Still wrong, though. It should say "The only way to enjoy Macross is to argue about it on the internet."

[mamochan]

16 hours ago, JB0 said:

Still wrong, though. It should say "The only way to enjoy Macross is to argue about it on the internet."

I could argue about other animes re: Yamato / Voyager-ent

I'll save that for another random anime thread. Heh!

Edited February 27, 2017 by mamochan

[Lorindor]

On 2017-02-23 at 11:03 PM, Zinjo said:

Personally I think BW should challenge all the trademarks, particularly in Countries that do not require a court date to decide.  Countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc...  If they successfully recover their trademarks in those countries they will be a stronger position to argue the case in countries like the US, where a judge has to decide such things.

THIS. It's not like BW don't have options in dealing with the legal problems. Either cooperate with HG (which HG have said that they are willing to do) or try to win back the trademarks. There should be in their own interest to open up to a bigger market. As fans, I think we should put more pressure on BW to actually start caring about us. We shouldn't be punished because they made a bad business decision in the '80s and gave away the international distribution rights to Tatsunoko. 

[Einherjar]

Are the English subtitles from the company a number of people from the SpeakerPodcast work for on the Blu-Rays not good enough?

[jenius]

I thought English subs were only on a couple Blu-ray releases. 

[mamochan]

4 hours ago, jenius said:

I thought English subs were only on a couple Blu-ray releases. 

English subtitles are available on Macross Plus Movie (1st edition), Macross Frontier Movie Boxset and Macross Delta.

[akt_m]

Giving any money to Harmony Turd? Never!

 

On 31/10/2016 at 1:06 AM, Seto Kaiba said:

I would not, and will not, purchase any Macross goods that would support Harmony Gold in any way. I don't think many Macross fans would.

This.

 

Edited March 11, 2017 by akt_m

[blackconvoy_D01]

Despite it benefiting HG, I actually enjoyed the English SDF Macross version from ADV. But going forwar I lean towards not giving loot to HG.

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 7:02 PM, akt_m said:

Giving any money to Harmony Turd? Never!

 

This.