jenius Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 I think the implication is that "no desire" means not enough to warrant mass production and the proof of that isn't the few of us liking a prototype... It's in this thing selling well if it gets made.
Mechapilot77 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Convectuoso said: that is their best sculpt work to date IMO.
Convectuoso Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mechapilot77 said: that is their best sculpt work to date IMO. I was thinking the same
derex3592 Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 Looks killer to me. Where's the pre-order button? Make the whole damn cast and the Zor or The "Masters" as well! I'll bite.
no3Ljm Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 4 hours ago, 505thAirborne said: When MW asks about a Pre-order just right after a prototype has been shown. Fixed.
505thAirborne Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, no3Ljm said: Fixed. I like it!
Tober Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 12 hours ago, jenius said: I think the implication is that "no desire" means not enough to warrant mass production and the proof of that isn't the few of us liking a prototype... It's in this thing selling well if it gets made. I'll be happy with Dana/Jeanne and hopefully Zor Prime/Seifriet. Strange to think that if HG didn't pick up Southern Cross chances are this wouldn't exist at all... Cavalry of the Southern Cross wasn't even popular in Japan when it was broadcast.
Big s Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 The new pictures look great. The legs look like they have a bit more clearance for posing around the waist armor to allow the hip joint to move upward. I still also want the hover bike to go with this at some point. I hope one gets made.
Kuma Style Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 Got in the VF-1J today and can't lie it looks really good to me.
Dobber Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, Kuma Style said: Got in the VF-1J today and can't lie it looks really good to me. Daaaaayum.....that does look nice. Chris
twich Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 What can you confirm about mold changes? It looks like it has Bandai DX thigh joint, what else? Twich
jvmacross Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Kuma Style said: Got in the VF-1J today and can't lie it looks really good to me. "looking" really good is a KC 1/72 VF-1's specialty!
Kuma Style Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, jvmacross said: "looking" really good is a KC 1/72 VF-1's specialty! Honestly they aren't as high end tight as the DXCs but I definitely wouldn't call them poor or anything. Personally I think they're a decent alternative. @twich gimme till tomorrow night, boss.Not even home from work and work again tomorrow. Need to pull the 1s out to side by side.
twich Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 Cool, thank you for looking when you can. I didn’t even know that these were out yet twich
Kuma Style Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, twich said: Cool, thank you for looking when you can. I didn’t even know that these were out yet twich It's not released yet, brother but I'm don't know the mass release date yet.
Sanity is Optional Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 Looks like a 1/72 scale DX at this point, what with the side-cavity fillers and extra leg-joint.
Mechapilot77 Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kuma Style said: It's not released yet, brother but I'm don't know the mass release date yet. ah you got a hookup at KC? nice. i didn't think it was released yet. how is it? way different than the VF-1S (Which felt like they tried very hard to copy yamato and then do their own thing but tolerances werent' great with some things to tight and some things too loose). this time it seems they've made some DX chogokin version like inspired design changes... agree with previous poster...that at least photos better than an HMR. i don't like the sculpting as much as yamato/arcadia or bandai but the pre applied panel lining is decent if not a big overwrought. does it have the "waist swivel"? Edited February 21, 2020 by Mechapilot77
lechuck Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 This looks much improved over their initial release, that is some serious overhaul KC have done. Kudos to them for striving for improvement and already going about it in such a short time. @Kuma Style when you get the time could you please go through all the articulation, it would be much appreciated. This VF could be king when it comes to poseability, very interested in the dark knee section, waist and that new shoulder/armpit joint.
peter Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Sanity is Optional said: Looks like a 1/72 scale DX at this point, what with the side-cavity fillers and extra leg-joint. I wouldn't go that far. Looks ok, definitely light years ahead of the Robocrap MPC, but the hands on these are close to looking like chicken-fingers. Seeing some paint pooling on top of dust/sand particles on the feet. Maybe I just don't like it because it's associated with HG and Robotech........which doesn't really matter at the end of the day because pretty much all Valk toys are made in China/HK anyway.
Kuma Style Posted February 21, 2020 Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Mechapilot77 said: how is it? does it have the "waist swivel"? 2 hours ago, lechuck said: @Kuma Style when you get the time could you please go through all the articulation, it would be much appreciated. I do this on every video review but I appreciate you guys pointing out specifics. I don't know if it has waist swivel as it's still back in the box. I'll get to it this weekend and of course share here. Ragrading the HMR... that's a pretty interesting point because I was telling someone yesterday it feels like a proper middle between it and the DXC aesthetically. 1 hour ago, peter said: I wouldn't go that far. Looks ok, definitely light years ahead of the Robocrap MPC, but the hands on these are close to looking like chicken-fingers. Seeing some paint pooling on top of dust/sand particles on the feet. It's a pre production sample and the final copy won't have the discrepancy in the left foot. It was told to me before it was even sent. Regarding the hands yes I totally agree they're spindly but given the size of the product there's no way to avoid it with hands that need to be that size for transformation. This is why it comes with fixed hands like every other modern valk toy for the same reason. And I'm not particularly biased towards this product so this isn't me going out of my way to defend it and argue with you personal, but there seems to be some unecessary picking within this post.
jvmacross Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 21 hours ago, Kuma Style said: Honestly they aren't as high end tight as the DXCs but I definitely wouldn't call them poor or anything. Personally I think they're a decent alternative. I was referring only to it's aesthetics...not it's fit or quality... If you are referring to fit and quality, then you can't refer to a KC VF- 1's fit and quality as anything but "poor" or worse....the VF-1S started out "fair enough" out of the box...then it degraded into a floppy mess after a few months of minimal transformations.. No doubt the VF-1J looks great...However, the only thing I am curious about the "new" KC VF-1 mold is how if fares after a dozen or so transformations....or even after just a few months in a static display pose....only after release can some light be shed onto that question... I really hope they truly made some progress in fit and quality because as much as I like the "look" of these KC VF-1's, I can't continue to support them if their VF-1J proves to be just as "poor" as their VF-1S...
Kuma Style Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, jvmacross said: I was referring only to it's aesthetics...not it's fit or quality... If you are referring to fit and quality, then you can't refer to a KC VF- 1's fit and quality as anything but "poor" or worse.... I can and I did, sir. This isn't to nullify or dismiss your negative experience with your copy but since I didn't have the same experience with mine, why would I share the same opinion? I'm never going to put my opinion out there as the end all, be all, definitive and encourage people to get a good number of perspectives, particularly when a purchase seems questionable. On the flip side though it'd be nice not to have my opinion and experience dismissed simply because yours differs.
jeniusornome Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 It’s an uphill battle for anything with a Robotech logo on it here (and to hear some people, anything that isn’t Bandai). KC is putting a lot of effort into improving their figures and this new one might be a big improvement over the first, but a lot of Macross fans will still turn their noses up at it because of bad feeling towards Harmony Gold and Robotech in general. It’s so bad that the idea of a decent quality, less expensive, easier to acquire, perfect transformation VF-1, which would normally be a great thing for Macross fans, gets some people genuinely upset. Bandai could release that 1/35 Soul of Chogokin VF-1 they showed off a few years back, slap a Robotech logo on it and Macross fans would lose their minds.
DYRL VF-1S Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Aside from different biases, many of us have just had bad experiences with their Valks. I have Roy and the Dark Red variant. Both have issues enough to where I won’t bother transforming them and only display. I had to glue parts back on Roy for just looking at that 1S wrong. BUT I love their figures. Rick is amazing! And customer service is awesome. I really hope their adjustments to the mold make a huge difference but will patiently wait for reviews. Edited February 22, 2020 by DYRL VF-1S
jvmacross Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 14 hours ago, Kuma Style said: I can and I did, sir. This isn't to nullify or dismiss your negative experience with your copy but since I didn't have the same experience with mine, why would I share the same opinion? I'm never going to put my opinion out there as the end all, be all, definitive and encourage people to get a good number of perspectives, particularly when a purchase seems questionable. On the flip side though it'd be nice not to have my opinion and experience dismissed simply because yours differs. What concerns me is you have a "platform" where you can influence unsuspecting collectors regarding the long-term quality of KC's VF-1 toys.... Believe me, I want this VF-1J to be so much better than what the VF-1S proved to be, which was a floppy mess I was an early adopter for this line, but as of now my opinion is to be weary and see how the VF-1J holds up after a few months of handling. If the VF-1J proves to be no different than the VF-1S, it will not really matter how good it looks to many collectors...including myself
jenius Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 Reviewers can't tell how a toy will be after a month of handling it if they're expected to get the review up within a week of receiving it. Even more so when were discussing preproduction samples. Other than my sheered off hard points, my 1S is fine but I rarely play with it. If you want to convince people the quality is horrible, you should show some pictures of specific issues so people, including reviewers, can look for signs of the same problems happening.
jeniusornome Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 @jvmacross it sounds like you’re saying you want him to review the toy after 6 months to a year instead of right now? how can you expect someone to post thoughts on a figure and accurately predict how it will hold up in x months or years?
Kuma Style Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, jvmacross said: What concerns me is you have a "platform" where you can influence unsuspecting collectors regarding the long-term quality of KC's VF-1 toys.... ... I don't think you get the point at all and that's "concerning" in and of itself. How can I warn against experiences that I myself don't have. I've had the VF-1s even longer than you with no problems to date. What are you even talking about here. Even when I don't have personal issues and hear about people having them by the time I review I make sure to post those things in reviews like my latest one here. If mine has held up then what am I supposed to say besides "mine's held up fine" to people wondering? On the flip side it's your place to share your personal experiences with others like you're doing now. But with that, don't expect anyone who's had a contradictory experience to do anything but understand what could (have) happen(ed) after reading it since theirs have held up differently. You make zero sense I honestly don't feel like you have an actual point you're trying to make and are projecting your personal gripes onto me which isn't anywhere near rational, man. It sucks that you had a bad experience but even having read through this thread and others regarding it it doesn't seem to be near the norm. I hope that the retailer/company took care of you. 2 minutes ago, jenius said: Reviewers can't tell how a toy will be after a month of handling it if they're expected to get the review up within a week of receiving it. Even more so when were discussing preproduction samples. Other than my sheered off hard points, my 1S is fine but I rarely play with it. If you want to convince people the quality is horrible, you should show some pictures of specific issues so people, including reviewers, can look for signs of the same problems happening. ding ding ding. 1 minute ago, jeniusornome said: @jvmacross it sounds like you’re saying you want him to review the toy after 6 months to a year instead of right now? how can you expect someone to post thoughts on a figure and accurately predict how it will hold up in x months or years? Not just that, but wants me to tell people that the opposite will happen than what's happened to mine, even. I can understand where he's coming from since there was a previous release with the same basic mold that came out last year but the problem is that he's trying to "tell me" an item will break because his did when mine hasn't had a single issue.
jvmacross Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, jenius said: Reviewers can't tell how a toy will be after a month of handling it if they're expected to get the review up within a week of receiving it. Even more so when were discussing preproduction samples. Other than my sheered off hard points, my 1S is fine but I rarely play with it. If you want to convince people the quality is horrible, you should show some pictures of specific issues so people, including reviewers, can look for signs of the same problems happening. 2 minutes ago, jeniusornome said: @jvmacross it sounds like you’re saying you want him to review the toy after 6 months to a year instead of right now? how can you expect someone to post thoughts on a figure and accurately predict how it will hold up in x months or years? I have pointed out that the durability of this toy is it's greatest weakness....which is why I keep saying that only time will tell if the VF-1J, which looks great just as the VF-1S did, will become another floppy mess....I hardly transformed it and it cannot hold poses, especially it's legs This has been the case with several other VF toys, regardless of who made them....the point is that this specific toy is only one release into it's run and it started off badly....it really needs to address the worst of it's issues on this next release or KC may become the next Evolution Toys in terms of VF-1's... Again, unfortunately, this toy's current performance has not made me and probably many other collectors, feel any sense of confidence on future performance...with that said, it just means that most collectors may want to hold out on buying this after it has been confirmed if improvements on durability have indeed been made
jvmacross Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kuma Style said: ... I have more or less kept up with this thread, regarding KC releases including the 1/72 VF-1....I think you are the only individual that has claimed zero issues with it. Lucky!
Kuma Style Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, jvmacross said: I have more or less kept up with this thread, regarding KC releases including the 1/72 VF-1....I think you are the only individual that has claimed zero issues with it. Lucky! If it's luck then maybe I need to go to the casino. Regardless please don't tell others what their experience is when they obviously know their own experience better than anyone. Thank you. -------------------------------------- Anyways, I can finally actually take a real look at it this afternoon. Even if I don't get around to reviewing it, I'll share some initial thoughts.
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