Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 25 - READ 1st POST

[azrael]

I took it as Wright lied about the turbulence to take a route that hit the side of the mountain away from the city to minimise casualties. This led to him being intercepted which caused NUN's to take the stick and beeline towards the target. I think this explains where the footage they showed comes from one of the interceptors. So NUN's dropped it before he got shot down.

You're right, but the alternative would be somehow Roid or Garmia or some Windermerans accessed the controls of the VF-22 and took over.

At this point, I'm chalking it to horrible writing. Because any further reveals would just be pointless, if we believe the old sequence, Roid/Keith were both there. Could be that both of them got shot down by Wright; What doesn't make sense here is that if I'm assigning someone to drop an MDE, I don't care how good a pilot he is, he'll have escorts going in... even if it means I strip every single fighter from every single mission. If the target was indeed SV, it is basically the most important mission of the war, why would NUNS only assign a lone fighter to make the sortie. Makes no sense. NUNS taking control also doesn't make sense either because they completely missed the target. It was essentially the height of stupidity.

I will share my thought about this later.

Yes, I will mark this as lazy writing if the reason they gave is the one they are going with (Wright lied, disobeyed orders and decided to go off course and drop the MDE in a "safe" location (how about "safe" being a un-populated area), NUNS takes over and decides to ditch the evidence).

Because my train of thought follows, if you're gonna throw it in, you better use it.

Anyways, off to the mindless speculation...

-On Voldor, the PM mentions to Roid that Windermerans have been known to kill/sacrifice their own.

-The MDE was dropped on a civilian population.

-8 months of conflict during the revolution and the war stops when the MDE was dropped.

-Hermann mentions how Roid and Keith's "white wings" turned "black".

-Wright Immelmann was known to be a kind person to a fault. But shouldn't the threat of his family getting networked have caused him to outweigh the option of nuking the imperial city?

-NUNS command states that if they were successful years ago, they would never be in the mess they are in now.

-Messer fought his Var and when fighting Keith for the last time, he felt a "wind".

-Haya-Haya also felt a "wind" during the heat of combat when his Var started getting worst.

-It's being implied that Roid is scheming something from the start.

Now we get to the confusing and info-drop stuff from this week...

-Wright's radio traffic said he was fighting turbulence where there was no turbulence and he tried to stay on course. Two Windermere planes intercept Wright. Eventually he went off-course and radio traffic stopped. The MDE is now armed. The system goes to remote and Wright's last transmission says his good byes.

-Wright was found dead in the cockpit.

-Windermerans never touched the flight voice recorder.

-Wright was an intelligence officer.

-Wright had data on the Protoculture ruins.

I would have found it much better if it played out as:

NUNS found out Windermere had much more data on the PC ruins and thanks to NUNS' research, had a much better understanding of the ruins. Windermere wanted NUNS out of the way and declared independence from NUNS to move their plan. NUNS also knew what the ruins were capable of and decided they could not let the ruins fall into the wrong hands. Wright travelling from assignment to assignment was his cover for investigating the ruins in the Cluster. Which lead to his assignment on Windermere. With the data he collected on Windermere, NUNS now has a clear idea what these ruins are capable of. Wright obtains the genetic material for Mikumo and passes it along as a safeguard. With the war heating up, the potential for Windermere to use the ruins is now a viable threat and Wright is sent in to eliminate that threat (Needs of the many...). Windermere "feels the wind" with their runes and know something is coming their way and decide to test the PC ruins on the incoming fighter. The range is limited at this stage but as soon as Wright comes into range, he's var'd. Roid and Keith are sent to intercept Wright as well. Wright's "turbulence" is being caused by that "wind" Windermerans, Messer, and Hayate felt during combat; those fold-waves. Wright eventually pulls off course and takes a different route. At the same time, he's fighting the effects of being Var'd, the 2 interceptors (Roid and Keith) eventually catch up to Wright. Wright's VF-22 is placed into remote piloting by someone. With MDE in Windermeran hands, it's used on Carlyle.

BUT at this point, I'm not going to bother dwelling on this. If the reason they stated is their final answer, then fine. So be it. One episode to go. Not much time for anything else now.

[kalvasflam]

Yes, I will mark this as lazy writing if the reason they gave is the one they are going with (Wright lied, disobeyed orders and decided to go off course and drop the MDE in a "safe" location (how about "safe" being a un-populated area), NUNS takes over and decides to ditch the evidence).

Because my train of thought follows, if you're gonna throw it in, you better use it.

Anyways, off to the mindless speculation...

-On Voldor, the PM mentions to Roid that Windermerans have been known to kill/sacrifice their own.

-The MDE was dropped on a civilian population.

-8 months of conflict during the revolution and the war stops when the MDE was dropped.

-Hermann mentions how Roid and Keith's "white wings" turned "black".

-Wright Immelmann was known to be a kind person to a fault. But shouldn't the threat of his family getting networked have caused him to outweigh the option of nuking the imperial city?

-NUNS command states that if they were successful years ago, they would never be in the mess they are in now.

-Messer fought his Var and when fighting Keith for the last time, he felt a "wind".

-Haya-Haya also felt a "wind" during the heat of combat when his Var started getting worst.

-It's being implied that Roid is scheming something from the start.

Now we get to the confusing and info-drop stuff from this week...

-Wright's radio traffic said he was fighting turbulence where there was no turbulence and he tried to stay on course. Two Windermere planes intercept Wright. Eventually he went off-course and radio traffic stopped. The MDE is now armed. The system goes to remote and Wright's last transmission says his good byes.

-Wright was found dead in the cockpit.

-Windermerans never touched the flight voice recorder.

-Wright was an intelligence officer.

-Wright had data on the Protoculture ruins.

I would have found it much better if it played out as:

NUNS found out Windermere had much more data on the PC ruins and thanks to NUNS' research, had a much better understanding of the ruins. Windermere wanted NUNS out of the way and declared independence from NUNS to move their plan. NUNS also knew what the ruins were capable of and decided they could not let the ruins fall into the wrong hands. Wright travelling from assignment to assignment was his cover for investigating the ruins in the Cluster. Which lead to his assignment on Windermere. With the data he collected on Windermere, NUNS now has a clear idea what these ruins are capable of. Wright obtains the genetic material for Mikumo and passes it along as a safeguard. With the war heating up, the potential for Windermere to use the ruins is now a viable threat and Wright is sent in to eliminate that threat (Needs of the many...). Windermere "feels the wind" with their runes and know something is coming their way and decide to test the PC ruins on the incoming fighter. The range is limited at this stage but as soon as Wright comes into range, he's var'd. Roid and Keith are sent to intercept Wright as well. Wright's "turbulence" is being caused by that "wind" Windermerans, Messer, and Hayate felt during combat; those fold-waves. Wright eventually pulls off course and takes a different route. At the same time, he's fighting the effects of being Var'd, the 2 interceptors (Roid and Keith) eventually catch up to Wright. Wright's VF-22 is placed into remote piloting by someone. With MDE in Windermeran hands, it's used on Carlyle.

BUT at this point, I'm not going to bother dwelling on this. If the reason they stated is their final answer, then fine. So be it. One episode to go. Not much time for anything else now.

Well, the long and short of it, if they hired you, or I supposed any of a dozen of us on the board as writers, they couldn't have come off so badly as they did. The pacing, the story, the consistency, all of it felt like it was done by some writer on drugs, or a very drunk monkey hitting a keyboard at random

I suppose with this series about to end, I can safely go back to lurk mode until another ten years have passed. By then, I would've forgotten all about Delta.

[Saruta]

Well, the long and short of it, if they hired you, or I supposed any of a dozen of us on the board as writers, they couldn't have come off so badly as they did.

Why did "Robotech Valkyrie Project" come to mind?

[Zinjo]

Yes, I will mark this as lazy writing if the reason they gave is the one they are going with (Wright lied, disobeyed orders and decided to go off course and drop the MDE in a "safe" location (how about "safe" being a un-populated area), NUNS takes over and decides to ditch the evidence).

Because my train of thought follows, if you're gonna throw it in, you better use it.

Anyways, off to the mindless speculation...

-On Voldor, the PM mentions to Roid that Windermerans have been known to kill/sacrifice their own.

-The MDE was dropped on a civilian population.

-8 months of conflict during the revolution and the war stops when the MDE was dropped.

-Hermann mentions how Roid and Keith's "white wings" turned "black".

-Wright Immelmann was known to be a kind person to a fault. But shouldn't the threat of his family getting networked have caused him to outweigh the option of nuking the imperial city?

-NUNS command states that if they were successful years ago, they would never be in the mess they are in now.

-Messer fought his Var and when fighting Keith for the last time, he felt a "wind".

-Haya-Haya also felt a "wind" during the heat of combat when his Var started getting worst.

-It's being implied that Roid is scheming something from the start.

Now we get to the confusing and info-drop stuff from this week...

-Wright's radio traffic said he was fighting turbulence where there was no turbulence and he tried to stay on course. Two Windermere planes intercept Wright. Eventually he went off-course and radio traffic stopped. The MDE is now armed. The system goes to remote and Wright's last transmission says his good byes.

-Wright was found dead in the cockpit.

-Windermerans never touched the flight voice recorder.

-Wright was an intelligence officer.

-Wright had data on the Protoculture ruins.

I would have found it much better if it played out as:

NUNS found out Windermere had much more data on the PC ruins and thanks to NUNS' research, had a much better understanding of the ruins. Windermere wanted NUNS out of the way and declared independence from NUNS to move their plan. NUNS also knew what the ruins were capable of and decided they could not let the ruins fall into the wrong hands. Wright travelling from assignment to assignment was his cover for investigating the ruins in the Cluster. Which lead to his assignment on Windermere. With the data he collected on Windermere, NUNS now has a clear idea what these ruins are capable of. Wright obtains the genetic material for Mikumo and passes it along as a safeguard. With the war heating up, the potential for Windermere to use the ruins is now a viable threat and Wright is sent in to eliminate that threat (Needs of the many...). Windermere "feels the wind" with their runes and know something is coming their way and decide to test the PC ruins on the incoming fighter. The range is limited at this stage but as soon as Wright comes into range, he's var'd. Roid and Keith are sent to intercept Wright as well. Wright's "turbulence" is being caused by that "wind" Windermerans, Messer, and Hayate felt during combat; those fold-waves. Wright eventually pulls off course and takes a different route. At the same time, he's fighting the effects of being Var'd, the 2 interceptors (Roid and Keith) eventually catch up to Wright. Wright's VF-22 is placed into remote piloting by someone. With MDE in Windermeran hands, it's used on Carlyle.

BUT at this point, I'm not going to bother dwelling on this. If the reason they stated is their final answer, then fine. So be it. One episode to go. Not much time for anything else now.

Well that pretty much sums it up for me. In a shorter movie form, I suspect that this ending would have some impact, but drawn out to a second cour it was just muddled with unnecessary time filler episodes that will have little to no affect on the story over all. They simply served (with the exception of the last few) as a means to sell more merchandise and Walkurie music. It's good for Satellite as a business, as it extends the production run, but that seems to be about it.

Because my train of thought follows, if you're gonna throw it in, you better use it.

This is referred to as the "Chekhov's Gun" trope. Unfortunately this series is filled with violations of that trope.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Zinjo

[Raptor One]

So they can use stock footage from previous episodes!

I believe Kawamorisan has moved on kids. It's been a good ride for him, but I see no more passion to tell anymore Macross stories. This is not a bad thing. New blood, fresh ideas are clearly needed moving forward. I expect he'll always be willing to design new valks (it is his passion afterall), but telling more stories in a universe that seems to bore him now, I doubt it.

Best case scenario tbh

[Saruta]

The moment I heard that Lady M apparently might be Minmay, I immediately thought "Kawamori is wrapping up the story". She is the iconic Macross character, despite all her shortcomings. Her final appearance could make a perfect "grand finale" of the 35 years of Macross.

But it would need tobe ion a movie to be a proper grand finale, not in the last remaining 20 min episode. So the plan might be, Delta series, Delta movie(s), then Macross is over?

[Zinjo]

Macross won't be over. Kawamori's helming of Macross may be over, we have no idea of this is actually going to happen. He may just stay away from the property until he has something new to say for all we know.

That being said, Big West is still going to produce more shows. If not with Kawamori, then some others may be tapped for the gig.

They won't sell to Bandai, as there is still too much money to be made from a property that really isn't their business' main focus. They get sponsors to pay for the production and then take their cut of the proceeds. They may even contribute by marketing the show (that is their business after all). If they did then for us HG haters, that gives the succubus the opportunity to get back involved with the franchise and I'm not too keen on that happening.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Zinjo

[505thAirborne]

The moment I heard that Lady M apparently might be Minmay, I immediately thought "Kawamori is wrapping up the story". She is the iconic Macross character, despite all her shortcomings. Her final appearance could make a perfect "grand finale" of the 35 years of Macross.

But it would need tobe ion a movie to be a proper grand finale, not in the last remaining 20 min episode. So the plan might be, Delta series, Delta movie(s), then Macross is over?

Frak that!!!!! Macross is NOT over and sure as hell isn't ending with Delta as the final act of the franchise.... if it is I am making a Photoshop picture of Mikumo giving the "Bird" vs. a Walkure handjesture. If Kawamori doesn't care anymore then I say good, let someone else who is truly passionate about Macross take over.

And since Megaroad 01 has been reintroduced or for you new fans your first time hearing about it, that BS for the last decade or so about that chapter of Macross will never be explored, screw it make us a damn 8-10 part OVA entitled MEGAROAD-01. With all due respect to Arihiro Hase (RIP good sir) if he were still alive I do not think he would have any issues with another actor taking over his role.

So yeah, Macross is not ending after this and more series will eventually come out. Honestly, I'd love to see Macross II rebooted. Or introduce us to another of the Many fleets out there still trying to find a home who encounter an enemy so fierce even the Vajra would piss themselves!! Lots of ideas out there still.

[Seto Kaiba]

But it would need tobe ion a movie to be a proper grand finale, not in the last remaining 20 min episode. So the plan might be, Delta series, Delta movie(s), then Macross is over?

Do you honestly think Big West would let go of a cash cow like this?

At most, Kawamori might take a powder and leave the franchise in the hands of Hidetaka-san, whom he's been working with a lot since Frontier. If I had to guess, I'd say that he checked out of Delta early because it wasn't the show he wanted to make in the first place.

[NightmarePlus]

We should get a VF-X Ravens OVA or anything exploring the regular New UN Spacey Forces really. I fear that the whole "PMC using the newest toys" might become a trend in future Macross series. Give us one with the Regs point of view already!

[Raptor One]

I mentioned this in the Mecha and Tech thread but I would love to see a series that pits the latest and greatest Earth forces fighters against the latest and greatest colony fighters. They could even have it centre around some kind of airshow or competition, until the real conflict breaks out. But for Christ' sake give both sides believable motivations.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Raptor One

[Zinjo]

I'd be happy with more OVA's personally as they are not so heavily dependent on big money sponsors and the stories can be more serious and universe building.

As for the episode. After watching it with the subs a few things I came away with other than the obvious.

• The foreshadowing of Keith's heroic death or betryal of Roid. His loyalties lay with his homeworld not with his brother or his former lover Roid.
• The young king is preparing to sacrifice himself for Roid's plan of galactic domination. He divested his authority to Roid and Keith in his audience with them.
• Bogue and the knights are of the same feeling as Keith, this episode showed they are no longer drinking Roid's koolaid if it means loosing Windermere.
• I agree that Capt / Maj Immelman went var after being chased by Keith and Roid, with Roid's var inducing toy causing the pilot to drop his payload on a NUNS/Windermeran city. That the NUNS covered up the incident as they didn't have authorization to use the weapon in the first place. That Roid used the incident to convince the King to secede from the NUNS alliance and Keith kept quiet, thus earning him "black wings".
• Rei and Makina are definitely a couple.
• The mind control using delta waves seems to be an implied explanation as to how the PD employed their mind control. The PD drained the spiritia from their host to the point of near coma victims to control their minds. Whether the PC and SV originated this technique or the PD did is a remaining question.
• I suspect Freyja will sacrifice herself for her homeworld in the idol duel to come, she is certainly prepared to go that far.
• Lady M will show up in the final battle as either Misa or Minmay, however I believe Minmay will show up and lead Walkurie in DYRL which will be the antidote to the Star Song. I am leaning toward Misa as Lady M as she would have more tactical sense and political influence than Minmay would.
• Mikumo will either be sacrificed or rescued before the SV and Roid are destroyed. Though I expect the marketing of Walkurie will insist that Mikumo be rescued, when she really should die. Her power as the star singer is a dangerous ability in the wrong hands.
• The last act of this episode had all the feeling of the lead up to the final battle in DYRL, with Hayate playing the role of Hikaru chasing down Minmay (Freyja), and Mirage playing the part of Misa. The only real exception is that Mirage was more the role of Misa from SDFM rather than DYRL. The instrumental to DYRL was also a notable foreshadow.
• I also expect Misa and Minmay not to look very old either as aging in space is much different to aging on a planet with a sun's radiation. Max and Millia looked very youthful considering their ages in M7.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Zinjo

[nanoplasm]

Epsilon will always win since they are the quintessential war profiteers, playing both sides of any given conflict.

Anaheim Electronics anyone?

I've been a Macross fan since 1982. In the last 3+ decades I've steadfastly loved and supported the franchise, even and especially the red-haired step child's of the franchise; Macross II and Macross 7.

But honestly speaking, for the first time ever since I fell in love with Macross, I feel no compelling or urgent desire to watch this latest episode of Macross Delta

Sure, I'll watch it eventually, but it's not like in the past where I'll use any and all methods to watch a new episode as soon as I can.

Graham senpai, hang in there! Only 1 more episodes to go after this one!

I wrote off Delta as AKB trash after episode 1. Half way through the series, an old-timer at Franks said he enjoyed Delta and recommend to give it another shot. I've been keeping up with the latest episodes since then.

While Delta ain't Frontier, it's not that bad compare to other anime series released these days.

Hell, I haven't visited this forum for almost a year, but that nostalgia fanservice in the latest episode brought me back here.

Edited September 21, 2016 by nanoplasm

[azrael]

• I agree that Capt / Maj Immelman went var after being chased by Keith and Roid, with Roid's var inducing toy causing the pilot to drop his payload on a NUNS/Windermeran city. That the NUNS covered up the incident as they didn't have authorization to use the weapon in the first place. That Roid used the incident to convince the King to secede from the NUNS alliance and Keith kept quiet, thus earning him "black wings".

Again, that was my reasoning based off the various story points they gave us throughout the show. The conclusion they gave was Wright deliberately disobeyed orders which is something I find a little poorly written. Whether that's the narrative they want to play with or if there's more to this story, we shall find out on Sunday.

[seti88]

I'd be happy with more OVA's personally as they are not so heavily dependent on big money sponsors and the stories can be more serious and universe building.

As for the episode. After watching it with the subs a few things I came away with other than the obvious.

• The foreshadowing of Keith's heroic death or betryal of Roid. His loyalties lay with his homeworld not with his brother or his former lover Roid.
• The young king is preparing to sacrifice himself for Roid's plan of galactic domination. He divested his authority to Roid and Keith in his audience with them.
• Bogue and the knights are of the same feeling as Keith, this episode showed they are no longer drinking Roid's koolaid if it means loosing Windermere.
• I agree that Capt / Maj Immelman went var after being chased by Keith and Roid, with Roid's var inducing toy causing the pilot to drop his payload on a NUNS/Windermeran city. That the NUNS covered up the incident as they didn't have authorization to use the weapon in the first place. That Roid used the incident to convince the King to secede from the NUNS alliance and Keith kept quiet, thus earning him "black wings".
• Rei and Makina are definitely a couple.
• The mind control using delta waves seems to be an implied explanation as to how the PD employed their mind control. The PD drained the spiritia from their host to the point of near coma victims to control their minds. Whether the PC and SV originated this technique or the PD did is a remaining question.
• I suspect Freyja will sacrifice herself for her homeworld in the idol duel to come, she is certainly prepared to go that far.
• Lady M will show up in the final battle as either Misa or Minmay, however I believe Minmay will show up and lead Walkurie in DYRL which will be the antidote to the Star Song. I am leaning toward Misa as Lady M as she would have more tactical sense and political influence than Minmay would.
• Mikumo will either be sacrificed or rescued before the SV and Roid are destroyed. Though I expect the marketing of Walkurie will insist that Mikumo be rescued, when she really should die. Her power as the star singer is a dangerous ability in the wrong hands.
• The last act of this episode had all the feeling of the lead up to the final battle in DYRL, with Hayate playing the role of Hikaru chasing down Minmay (Freyja), and Mirage playing the part of Misa. The only real exception is that Mirage was more the role of Misa from SDFM rather than DYRL. The instrumental to DYRL was also a notable foreshadow.
• I also expect Misa and Minmay not to look very old either as aging in space is much different to aging on a planet with a sun's radiation. Max and Millia looked very youthful considering their ages in M7.

All aboard the lady M speculation train....

Tho the explanation of how minmay/misa is still alive may kill it for me...clone?/black hole timezone warp? dont tell me minmay/misa are in their ancient hairstyle bangs..lol...

and please don't make lady M to be a protoculture being/ex-star singer/superhuman of some sort...

Misa would fill in tactically but seeing how lady M is tracking the walkure singing it may just be minmay...

[Negotiator]

time is tricky thing in space. depending on where the megaroad went, it may only be a very short time for them.

[Saruta]

I would prefer to see them more or less in their natural age. If not "old and wrinkled" then at least "looking youngish but still recognized old" like Max and Milia in M7.

[MisaForever]

I don't quite understand why people believe those on the Megaroad 01 to be dead.

They would be in their 60's or 70's, sure, but there has never been any official word that they were deceased. Only that Kawamori "DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE" for some silly reason.

It's Minmay folks. I don't see any other possibility.

Edited September 21, 2016 by MisaForever

[Tochiro]

Our chat about Episode 25 is up!

http://www.macrossworld.com/speakerpodcast-ep-68-macrossΔ-ep-25-spoilercast/

[MadCatChiken]

time is tricky thing in space. depending on where the megaroad went, it may only be a very short time for them.

It's a plausible idea. The Megaroad did go missing near the galactic centre for which currently the theory is that theres a supermassive black hole in the middle. The way the relativity and time dilation work they could have forewell passed/folded near and had only a few minutes/hours go by but for everyone else 47 odd years.

I wouldn't find it bad writing if that was the reason for them going missing in the first place. It's just a shame they're using it at as plot device in this train wreck of a series.

Edited September 21, 2016 by MadCatChiken

[Zinjo]

All aboard the lady M speculation train....

Tho the explanation of how minmay/misa is still alive may kill it for me...clone?/black hole timezone warp? dont tell me minmay/misa are in their ancient hairstyle bangs..lol...

and please don't make lady M to be a protoculture being/ex-star singer/superhuman of some sort...

Misa would fill in tactically but seeing how lady M is tracking the walkure singing it may just be minmay...

Well this smells of a poor bait and switch to me. I may be wrong, but we'll see. I don't see Minmay who's total passion is to sing (she gave up a relationship with Hikaru to pursue her dream to perform) , would have any interest in tactics and the politics of getting the NUNG to do anything. She may be retired at this point since we were given no indication she is back on the charts, which we all know would be a huge deal in the universe.

The question of Megaroad will be interesting IF it is explained. Possibly getting caught in the event horizon of a black hole would slow down time considerably for the ship. If the research of song goes back to post GSW and the Megaroad contact came after the Vajra war, then a melding of two parallel research efforts could produce the tech that we are seeing in Delta with respect to music and song.

This reveal is a dodgy proposition to throw in at the very end of this series and I am not confident it will be handled well...

Edited September 21, 2016 by Zinjo

[seti88]

I don't quite understand why people believe those on the Megaroad 01 to be dead.

They would be in their 60's or 70's, sure, but there has never been any official word that they were deceased. Only that Kawamori "DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE" for some silly reason.

It's Minmay folks. I don't see any other possibility.

Yeah they aren't dead, just any explanation of what have they been doing all this time, and why sudden appearance now if it would be true, causes me to wonder how the writers will portray the character's again. Sometimes maybe its nice to let legends be legends

I agree also its too coincidental for the formation of the walkure for lady M NOT to be minmay. The lead in is hard to ignore...

This reveal is a dodgy proposition to throw in at the very end of this series and I am not confident it will be handled well...

Perhaps delta ran for as long as it did just to introduce old characters? Like you i hope not though because these are legendary characters in macross and should be treated to better and less rushed reveals...

I would prefer to see them more or less in their natural age. If not "old and wrinkled" then at least "looking youngish but still recognized old" like Max and Milia in M7.

I dont thk i can ever nor do i want to, see minmay as an old lady

Edited September 21, 2016 by seti88

[Ghostbear0]

Best case scenario for the Megaroad stuff is that it's set up for a new project. More likely it's just teasing us and that's ok. Worst case Megaroad 1 characters show up next episode in a spasm of fail and stupidity trying to fix a broken plot.

[Zinjo]

Best case scenario for the Megaroad stuff is that it's set up for a new project. More likely it's just teasing us and that's ok. Worst case Megaroad 1 characters show up next episode in a spasm of fail and stupidity trying to fix a broken plot.

I don't know. It sure looks like a Humpty Dumpty plot at this point.

[Sandman]

Well growing up in Canada I got to see many anime shows in French. Harlock and Cat's Eye come immediately to mind.

Wow. Same here. Those were some of my first exposures to anime. I'm from western canada and didn't speak french at all. I remember catching both while flipping channels and got caught up in them. Even though i couldn't understand the language something caught my eye about these shows and could tell they were something beyond the average cartoon.

[Sandman]

Well, it's gonna happen whether you think it can or cannot.

Well yeah of course it is. But will it be wrapped up satisfyingly? My guess is no. It'll either be continued in something else like a movie or they just wrap up poorly leaving many plot points unanswered, ignored or extremely rushed. Hey if they can pull off a good wrap i'll be the first to be happy about it. But even if it's amazingly awesome it still won't make the whole series good. That ship has already sailed. I can't think of any anime that has blown it as bad as delta with it's second cour. I wholeheartedly agree with Graham's previous post, being a lifelong macross fan i've never have lost interest with a macross series till now.

[505thAirborne]

As I am listening to the Podcast I just want to say that A) I am eating a Burger right now, B) the Tweet from Mari Iijima a few weeks ago showed her, Haruhiko Mikimoto & Yasunori Honda. That means the Voice of Minmay, Mikimoto who designed her and also has done guest character appearances before like Megazone 23 part II and finally Honda who did the music for SDFM & DYRL.... so if it's anyone else like Misa, it would be a welcomed surprise.

Also, Renato said "come back Macross II, all is forgiven".... with a round of High Fives!! That made my day hearing that!

What I found odd about the opinions shared was that IF it is Minmay, how could she possibly be any type of Military or Political leader/advisor... well people change, something during her time on Megaroad 01 may have significantly changed thoughts on life, it's known to happen.... who knows, and by saying that it probably won't be revealed.

So all joking and snarkiness put aside, overall I was enjoying Delta yet these last 12 episodes have just been rough to watch without finding yourself defending it to a high degree. If there is a Movie in the works, it would seriously have to have some majoring re-writing/pacing and action scenes that are not straight cheats from Frontier.

By the way, Reina & Makina have been a couple for a Loooooooooong time now, if you needed ep 25 to tell you that, I'm rather shocked. They're the only who ever show actual affection for one another.

[Bolt]

Coming out of my aerie to drop my two cents..

I felt a lot more info got dropped in this last episode.

If they had kept up this pace from the get go, we would have had a much richer and streamlined story.

Having said that, I really enjoyed the homage and parallel unfolding to the final battle in mega road. The final song was very nostalgic I must say. And I feel like all of us old school fans should appreciate that regardless of all the other crap.

I pretty much gave up on really loving this series almost from the beginning. But as a fan and freak since 1984 , you know I'll never stop watching.

[kalvasflam]

I'd be happy with more OVA's personally as they are not so heavily dependent on big money sponsors and the stories can be more serious and universe building.

As for the episode. After watching it with the subs a few things I came away with other than the obvious.

• The foreshadowing of Keith's heroic death or betryal of Roid. His loyalties lay with his homeworld not with his brother or his former lover Roid.
• The young king is preparing to sacrifice himself for Roid's plan of galactic domination. He divested his authority to Roid and Keith in his audience with them.
• Bogue and the knights are of the same feeling as Keith, this episode showed they are no longer drinking Roid's koolaid if it means loosing Windermere.
• I agree that Capt / Maj Immelman went var after being chased by Keith and Roid, with Roid's var inducing toy causing the pilot to drop his payload on a NUNS/Windermeran city. That the NUNS covered up the incident as they didn't have authorization to use the weapon in the first place. That Roid used the incident to convince the King to secede from the NUNS alliance and Keith kept quiet, thus earning him "black wings".
• Rei and Makina are definitely a couple.
• The mind control using delta waves seems to be an implied explanation as to how the PD employed their mind control. The PD drained the spiritia from their host to the point of near coma victims to control their minds. Whether the PC and SV originated this technique or the PD did is a remaining question.
• I suspect Freyja will sacrifice herself for her homeworld in the idol duel to come, she is certainly prepared to go that far.
• Lady M will show up in the final battle as either Misa or Minmay, however I believe Minmay will show up and lead Walkurie in DYRL which will be the antidote to the Star Song. I am leaning toward Misa as Lady M as she would have more tactical sense and political influence than Minmay would.
• Mikumo will either be sacrificed or rescued before the SV and Roid are destroyed. Though I expect the marketing of Walkurie will insist that Mikumo be rescued, when she really should die. Her power as the star singer is a dangerous ability in the wrong hands.
• The last act of this episode had all the feeling of the lead up to the final battle in DYRL, with Hayate playing the role of Hikaru chasing down Minmay (Freyja), and Mirage playing the part of Misa. The only real exception is that Mirage was more the role of Misa from SDFM rather than DYRL. The instrumental to DYRL was also a notable foreshadow.
• I also expect Misa and Minmay not to look very old either as aging in space is much different to aging on a planet with a sun's radiation. Max and Millia looked very youthful considering their ages in M7.

You know the one thing I'm wondering about on Mikumo's side is who exactly is her overwatch in Chaos. She is literally three years old, and potentially a WMD, and to say that no one in CHAOS looked after her, to make sure she is functioning as expected, and not going off the rails crazy.

So weird... anyway I hope they don't resort to bringing in any of the original cast at this point, or from any other show, it would just be so pointless. If they did that, they could've done this like in episode 15 or 16.

MMMMM burgers and bullet sponges... too bad it wasn't an armor piercing incendiary round.

Edited September 21, 2016 by kalvasflam

[Zinjo]

As I am listening to the Podcast I just want to say that A) I am eating a Burger right now, B) the Tweet from Mari Iijima a few weeks ago showed her, Haruhiko Mikimoto & Yasunori Honda. That means the Voice of Minmay, Mikimoto who designed her and also has done guest character appearances before like Megazone 23 part II and finally Honda who did the music for SDFM & DYRL.... so if it's anyone else like Misa, it would be a welcomed surprise.

Also, Renato said "come back Macross II, all is forgiven".... with a round of High Fives!! That made my day hearing that!

What I found odd about the opinions shared was that IF it is Minmay, how could she possibly be any type of Military or Political leader/advisor... well people change, something during her time on Megaroad 01 may have significantly changed thoughts on life, it's known to happen.... who knows, and by saying that it probably won't be revealed.

So all joking and snarkiness put aside, overall I was enjoying Delta yet these last 12 episodes have just been rough to watch without finding yourself defending it to a high degree. If there is a Movie in the works, it would seriously have to have some majoring re-writing/pacing and action scenes that are not straight cheats from Frontier.

By the way, Reina & Makina have been a couple for a Loooooooooong time now, if you needed ep 25 to tell you that, I'm rather shocked. They're the only who ever show actual affection for one another.

I think we'll get a twofer (if logic wins out). Lady M will be Misa and Minmay will tag along as one of her advisors or perhaps prime test subject. Although after M7, stretching disbelief into a pretzel is not a taboo Kawamori is afraid to break.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Zinjo

[Raptor One]

As another poster mentioned, Lady M being Minmay would at least explain her strategic incompetence

Edited September 22, 2016 by Raptor One

[Gerli]

What if... Lady M is an AI?

DUN DUN DUUUN!

[Zinjo]

As another poster mentioned, Lady M being Minmsy would at least explain her strategic incompetence

That would be a compelling argument. Though Misa was a fleet admiral blessed with battle hardened, experienced squadrons and professional UNS commanders. Then there's Xaos of the Star Wind sector PMC.... The force of misfit staff.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Zinjo

[505thAirborne]

I think we'll get a twofer (if logic wins out). Lady M will be Misa and Minmay will tag along as one of her advisors or perhaps prime test subject. Although after M7, stretching disbelief into a pretzel is not a taboo Kawamori is afraid to break.

You would think so, just no way to wrap it up in 24 minutes. Guess we should prepare for a Walking Dead cliffhanger!

[nanoplasm]

With all these speculation that Lady M is someone on Megaroad, least us not forget Bilrer's trolling in Frontier with his Minmay pendent.

"Oh I am going to access the Varja super-dimensional network so I can see Minmay at the center of the galaxy!"

Man, all of us old timers were so hyped there is going to be some insane tie-in with Megaroad as the result of the showdown between Galaxy and Frontier. Nope, no closure what so ever.

That Bilrer scene wasn't even in the movie version.

I can't be the only who was so jaded by that stunt, and can't help but feel this is the same kind of trolling Kawamori had planned for us.

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Or, another theory is this meta story about Megaroad is so frakking epic, it's going to be delivered in small serving in future Macross series.

Step 1, Macross Frontier, the results of Varja war (human access to the varja network) allowed Megaroad to communicate with rest of known space again.

Step 2, Macross Delta, Star Singer activation of that blob on Ragna is going to allow super-duper space folding to where Megaroad is at...

Step 3, ????

Step 4, PROFIT!!!