Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 7 - READ 1st POST

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

does megaroad-04 show up again?

meow

Edited May 16, 2016 by davidwhangchoi

[Valkyrie Driver]

This was a really good episode. So we didn't get any really awesome Valkyrie action, but I'm cool with that since we got to advance the plot. This is shaping up to be a bit more subtle in terms of plot, even if it is a tad predictable.

I like how the water and apples aren't the source alone, but rather the combination that results in the thing that causes the Var. And according to the episode, the water isn't tainted, nor are the apples, but rather the two in combination have a reaction that results in the compound that causes the Var. It looks like the more Voldorian Ruin water and Windermerian apples you eat, the larger the buildup of compound, and then with the song of the wing as an activator makes you go coo coo for cocoa puffs with the var. Interesting use of organic and biochemistry to futz with your enemy's mind.

I also appreciated the Macross spin on the GitS style hacking, very visually appealing. I thought it was also kinda cute that there was a hacking song...

Also interesting is that Windermere has a reputation for being a bit into the old ultraviolence, and is known for attacking friend and foe alike. Roid is arrogant, and frankly smacks a bit of Hitler. He's a supremacist, only rather than favoring just his own race, he favors a group of races as being superior. Mylene's experience on Rax might not be a well known fact, or Roid is exactly like Hitler and ignoring any and all evidence that contradicts his beliefs and theories.

All in all, this episode lived up to how my mind hyped it up. Can't wait for next week!

[Seto Kaiba]

Macross E manga the Delta prequel is set in 2063 and Var was around then that Chaos has a singer deal with it.

Every time Heinz sings a cat girl cries.

I'm starting to think Macross's creators aggressively dislike opera. Every time we get someone singing an operatic aria, bad things happen.

What I'm stuck wondering is how far back Windermere has been intentionally setting up the necessary infrastructure to spread Var syndrome across the galaxy. The military doesn't make changes of supply on a whim, so this has to go back YEARS, possibly for quite a while before the Windermerean war of independence...

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Actually, that raises a frightening possibility. What if both sides are right about who set off the dimension weapon that destroyed the city of Carlyle (now Scarfell)? It's possible, if they discovered the means to cause Var syndrome before their war of independence... perhaps the annihilation of Carlyle by dimension eater warhead was the result of an early attempt to weaponize Var syndrome that went horribly right? If they deliberately infected the crew of a New UN Spacy warship with Var syndrome but didn't yet possess the means to control the resulting berserk killers, the insane crew could've fired the weapon while attacking both sides. I'm betting the city of Carlyle was where Megaroad-04 was landed, and where most of the human populace lived. So naturally the NUNS blames Windermere, assuming they orchestrated the attack on the city to kill the humans, and Windermere assumes the NUNS were the ones attacking because the warhead was fired by a NUNS warship.

Hah! I knew the Windermerians were a metaphor for the Nazi's! "Kill friend and foe equally..."

Yep Seto it definitely looks like a PC City Ship, which simply reinforces the mythos of how the PC colonized the galaxy.

Though it appears clear to me that Roid detonated the DE weapon and blamed it on the NUNS. Why else would the king be so bent on "revenge" if he knew the truth. For Roid this would be a typical propaganda tool. Attack your own people and blame the enemy of your choice.

Roid being a PC Researcher likely stumbled across the old weapon, used it and now doesn't know how to shut the damn thing off. We've seen what a dimension eater can do in M7 and MF. I suspect the lack of time is a reference to an uncontrolled reaction that may be eating their planet from the inside out.

I find it interesting that the last race to the party considers themselves to be the heirs to the kingdom (or the Stellar Republic). Isn't that reserved for the first born?

The Windemere commandeered the NUNS fleet garrisoned at their planet and perhaps the fleet defending the annexed worlds they took over. How very PD of them.

I have not given up on the idea that Mikumo is a Nome decendent. This is how she could hear/ sense the PC ruins very much like Sarah and Mao.

There is definitely something more than a close friendship between Makina and Reina. I suspect something "closer" than that...

In keeping with my reasoning above, I'm suddenly suspecting that the "killing friend and foe alike" was an accident caused by an early attempt at weaponizing Var syndrome... and so the accusation that Windermere gleefully teamkills its own people probably really rustles Roid's jimmies. My money's on Roid being a stepford smiler, hiding guilt over the number of people who died in their war of independence... potentially being the reason he hopped on Heinz's order to rein in Keith to avoid unnecessary death.

In fact, I'm betting Scarfell and the deaths of millions are why the Aerial Knights changed their heraldry from black to white.

What we saw was clearly a dimension eater... and the heavy quanta used in the warhead reportedly doesn't have a very long shelf life, so I'm betting it wasn't a weapon they dug out of the ruins on Windermere. I suspect it was a human-made MDE warhead from the Windermere NUNS garrison's planetary defense stockpile. They either didn't know what it did, or its use in combat was not the intention of either side.

[hulagu]

Roid that is pretty arrogant in proclaiming Brisingr cluster inhabitants are the true inheritors of the Protoculture. As if Earthers, Zentradi and Zolans don't count as they weren't from there.

I guess Lloyd's screwed up nationalist myth rationalization is that since the youngest known miclone races were seeded in Brisingr cluster, the reason Protoculture stopped seeding new races was because they deemed their final product a success, everything else that came before were dismissed as unworthy failures.

[RedWolf]

I guess Lloyd's screwed up nationalist myth rationalization is that since the youngest known miclone races were seeded in Brisingr cluster, the reason Protoculture stopped seeding new races was because they deemed their final product a success, everything else that came before were dismissed as unworthy failures.

Or the Protoculture just died slowly. Going by the Chronology the Protoculture had problems increasing their population after the Protodevlin War.

Roid ignores the fact the Protoculture intended seeded worlds to be colonized by the Protoculture.

Hell Humans had the most recent contact with the Protoculture 10,000 years ago with the Bird Human and modifying Mayan tribe ancestors with genetic memory of the Protoculture.

[Rbstr]

I'd be careful in implicating Roid in the original rebellion. He would have been 13. Not likely to be in a high position yet, even given Windermerians' accelerated lifetimes.

Honestly he doesn't really even seem to be that in charge as is, he seems to be more executing someone else's plan.

[Rock]

Mikumo's character definatly is getting interesting.

I can't help but cringe watching the W-girls hacking in progress. Not as bad as episode 1's dance/fight but, seriously was distractingly bad.

[Seto Kaiba]

I'd be careful in implicating Roid in the original rebellion. He would have been 13. Not likely to be in a high position yet, even given Windermerians' accelerated lifetimes.

Honestly he doesn't really even seem to be that in charge as is, he seems to be more executing someone else's plan.

I dunno... we've seen a pic of what appears to be a young Roid from that period as part of Chaos' briefing, he may have been one of the ones who held the title of White Knight of Darwent. The runes look to be the wrong color to be the king.

[kalvasflam]

I like Roid, I think his fancy shoe... I mean eyewear collection can take him a long way, he just need to find his equivalent of Ferdinand in the Macross universe, I wonder if Mikumo would be a good fit.

[azrael]

I'm starting to think Macross's creators aggressively dislike opera. Every time we get someone singing an operatic aria, bad things happen.

I think they hate fruit. Pineapples, now apples.

Or the Protoculture just died slowly. Going by the Chronology the Protoculture had problems increasing their population after the Protodevlin War.

Roid ignores the fact the Protoculture intended seeded worlds to be colonized by the Protoculture.

Hell Humans had the most recent contact with the Protoculture 10,000 years ago with the Bird Human and modifying Mayan tribe ancestors with genetic memory of the Protoculture.

Roid seems to be confused with where his solar system is compared to where Protoculture started. They were the last race likely because that may be how far Protoculture reached. Or Windermere was the last planet with indigenous life before a vast void of nothingness.

[Zinjo]

Actually, that raises a frightening possibility. What if both sides are right about who set off the dimension weapon that destroyed the city of Carlyle (now Scarfell)? It's possible, if they discovered the means to cause Var syndrome before their war of independence... perhaps the annihilation of Carlyle by dimension eater warhead was the result of an early attempt to weaponize Var syndrome that went horribly right? If they deliberately infected the crew of a New UN Spacy warship with Var syndrome but didn't yet possess the means to control the resulting berserk killers, the insane crew could've fired the weapon while attacking both sides. I'm betting the city of Carlyle was where Megaroad-04 was landed, and where most of the human populace lived. So naturally the NUNS blames Windermere, assuming they orchestrated the attack on the city to kill the humans, and Windermere assumes the NUNS were the ones attacking because the warhead was fired by a NUNS warship.

In keeping with my reasoning above, I'm suddenly suspecting that the "killing friend and foe alike" was an accident caused by an early attempt at weaponizing Var syndrome... and so the accusation that Windermere gleefully teamkills its own people probably really rustles Roid's jimmies. My money's on Roid being a stepford smiler, hiding guilt over the number of people who died in their war of independence... potentially being the reason he hopped on Heinz's order to rein in Keith to avoid unnecessary death.

In fact, I'm betting Scarfell and the deaths of millions are why the Aerial Knights changed their heraldry from black to white.

What we saw was clearly a dimension eater... and the heavy quanta used in the warhead reportedly doesn't have a very long shelf life, so I'm betting it wasn't a weapon they dug out of the ruins on Windermere. I suspect it was a human-made MDE warhead from the Windermere NUNS garrison's planetary defense stockpile. They either didn't know what it did, or its use in combat was not the intention of either side.

Plausible, but how does one explain a WMD aboard a NUNS ship in a time of peace? Particularly when the more reliable choice is to station a Macross class Warship with a Quantum Cannon at the site. A DE weapon is overkill when a warship with a Quantum Cannon and Reaction Warheads would be sufficient for any attack. A DE is a planet killer device, not a tactical weapon. I could see it if Windemere was once a PC outpost world and the DE weapons were meant for an anticipated PD or Zentradi mega fleet attack.

This isn't to discount the possibility it was an accidental detonation, but a plausible reason for a planet killer device needs to be given.

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I dunno... we've seen a pic of what appears to be a young Roid from that period as part of Chaos' briefing, he may have been one of the ones who held the title of White Knight of Darwent. The runes look to be the wrong color to be the king.

I think their runes change color as they age. The King is near death and perhaps red runes are sign of an ending life. The youngster who died had blue runes, then they appear to go yellow, then to green and finally red in their old age, Hermann's rune is red. It doesn't appear to be the same for the women as far as we know at this point.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Zinjo

[RedWolf]

I think they hate fruit. Pineapples, now apples.

Roid seems to be confused with where his solar system is compared to where Protoculture started. They were the last race likely because that may be how far Protoculture reached. Or Windermere was the last planet with indigenous life before a vast void of nothingness.

Funny enough Voldor's leader offered Roid a pineapple fruit salad while noting his Windermerean lifespan.

According to Egan Loo's Macross Chronology the Protoculture had remnants at the edge of the galaxy afer the dissolution of the Stellar Republic.

Edited May 16, 2016 by RedWolf

[Tochiro]

does megaroad-04 show up again?

meow

I originally translated this here:

https://twitter.com/GwynCampbell/status/729893993513771008

[Einherjar]

I find it interesting that the last race to the party considers themselves to be the heirs to the kingdom (or the Stellar Republic). Isn't that reserved for the first born?

Now I'm wondering if naming a manga Macross the FIRST was not just a coincidence. If only Mikimoto didn't move on to trains and zombies.

Gramia's a senile manchild who never grew up. It can't be my fault it somebody else fault. Even his bastard son is calling bullshit on that.

From back a few episodes, is it really a good idea for for Gramia, the current king/head of state, to have also been the highest ranking pilot of the kingdom before the Revolution? White Knight of Darwent sounds more like a title given to the king's royal champion. I'm starting to think, thanks to people like Roid, that the Revolution was also a coup to overthrow a previous pro-NUNS ruler. Maybe a relative of Gramia's? And then he got rekt by someone even better than him resulting in being bedridden.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Einherjar

[Zinjo]

From back a few episodes, is it really a good idea for for Gramia, the current king/head of state, to have also been highest ranking pilot of the kingdom before the Revolution? White Knight of Darwent sounds more like a title given to the king's royal champion. I'm starting to think, thanks to people like Roid, that the Revolution was also a coup to overthrow a previous pro-NUNS ruler. Maybe a relative of Gramia's?

That's a possibility too. So far no hints of such a thing, but we are only at ep 7...

[Seto Kaiba]

Plausible, but how does one explain a WMD aboard a NUNS ship in a time of peace? Particularly when the more reliable choice is to station a Macross class Warship with a Quantum Cannon at the site. A DE weapon is overkill when a warship with a Quantum Cannon and Reaction Warheads would be sufficient for any attack. A DE is a planet killer device, not a tactical weapon. I could see it if Windemere was once a PC outpost world and the DE weapons were meant for an anticipated PD or Zentradi mega fleet attack.

This isn't to discount the possibility it was an accidental detonation, but a plausible reason for a planet killer device needs to be given.

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Both Macross 7 and Macross Frontier showed us that emigrant fleets and military garrison forces maintain stockpiles of WMDs (it was reaction weapons before MDE weaponry apparently proliferated) for eventualities like encounters with rogue Zentradi fleets or unknown hostiles who cannot be reliably repelled by conventional means alone. Usage of such weapons was restricted by treaty after the First Space War, but everything I've read in print materials suggests that it really is standard procedure for escort fleets and garrison forces to carry or stockpile such weapons "just in case".

The flagship constructed for the Varauta system's defense fleet was a monument to excess in that regard, equipped as it was with 8 multi-warhead missiles that contained a total of 192 10,000Mt-class reaction warheads intended to give it sufficient firepower to wipe out a Zentradi branch fleet.

Like reaction weapons, dimension eaters come in different scales that vary from small missiles to tactical and strategic sizes. The one that was used on Carlyle only annihilated a city, so it was probably a tactical anti-warship or anti-formation weapon like the "dimension cutter" used by Frontier's forces' VF-171s over the Vajra homeworld. If they'd deployed a strategic dimension eater, there wouldn't be an inhabitable planet left... like the aftermath of Grace's detonation of a dimension eater on Gallia IV.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Seto Kaiba

[starla]

meow

meow back <3 sorry, can't resist...

[Zinjo]

I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by Delta. SK has finally found an effective balance to cater to all generations of fans.

• Political intrigue and universe building for the first gens
• J-Pop for the M7 generation and to attract new fans
• Love triangles to appeal to the character drama fans
• Mecha battles to appeal to all us gear heads.

Though with two exposition episodes already I expect the next few will be music centric and / or mecha battles if we are following the announced strategy of each episode being focused on a certain aspect of the whole story.

[Zinjo]

Both Macross 7 and Macross Frontier showed us that emigrant fleets and military garrison forces maintain stockpiles of WMDs (it was reaction weapons before MDE weaponry apparently proliferated) for eventualities like encounters with rogue Zentradi fleets or unknown hostiles who cannot be reliably repelled by conventional means alone. Usage of such weapons was restricted by treaty after the First Space War, but everything I've read in print materials suggests that it really is standard procedure for escort fleets and garrison forces to carry or stockpile such weapons "just in case".

The flagship constructed for the Varauta system's defense fleet was a monument to excess in that regard, equipped as it was with 8 multi-warhead missiles that contained a total of 192 10,000Mt-class reaction warheads intended to give it sufficient firepower to wipe out a Zentradi branch fleet.

Like reaction weapons, dimension eaters come in different scales that vary from small missiles to tactical and strategic sizes. The one that was used on Carlyle only annihilated a city, so it was probably a tactical anti-warship or anti-formation weapon like the "dimension cutter" used by Frontier's forces' VF-171s over the Vajra homeworld. If they'd deployed a strategic dimension eater, there wouldn't be an inhabitable planet left... like the aftermath of Grace's detonation of a dimension eater on Gallia IV.

Well Gigile appeared to be a walking, talking DE from what we saw him do to Lux in M7. You may well be right, but I still think that storing an MDE or any DE in a grounded warship to be irresponsible at best, criminal at worst. Quantum Cannons are one thing, a matter eating bomb is quite another!

Edited May 16, 2016 by Zinjo

[kalvasflam]

Just rewatched, and noticed something odd. Is Bogue taller all of a sudden? I somehow always get the feeling that him, and the evil twin brothers were kind of short. But then I saw him next to Herman, and they were like the same height. Did they stretch Bogue out? I think I liked him better pip-squeak size (ala FMA); would be kind of funny to see a short antagonist get killed.

[Kcsquare]

Normal growth for their race maybe?

[azrael]

Just rewatched, and noticed something odd. Is Bogue taller all of a sudden? I somehow always get the feeling that him, and the evil twin brothers were kind of short. But then I saw him next to Herman, and they were like the same height. Did they stretch Bogue out? I think I liked him better pip-squeak size (ala FMA); would be kind of funny to see a short antagonist get killed.

Bogue is a hair taller than Theo/Xao. Bogue's height is 1.74m. Thao/Xeo are 1.71m. A perspective shot would explain Bogue and Herman (who appears to be a forehead taller than Bogue in earlier eps).

[RDX17]

All around great episode: even Messer and Mikumo didn't bother me.

I'm hoping Mikumo singing in the Protoculture ruin somehow activates it and frees planet Voldor...or at least allows for a Delta/Walkure escape. Those stalactite/stalagmite looking pipes in the ruin look like they could act as an excellent resonator and/or amplifier.

Edited May 16, 2016 by RDX17

[Roy Focker]

Neutral vote.

It was an actual fun episode to watch. There was plenty of absurd stuff going on but it seem like the creators were aware of that. In the other episodes it feels like they are using the "cutesy factor" to pander to the masses. In this episode it felt more like they were just trying to have fun and were well aware of how ridiculous things were.

The absurd List.

- Pretty sure you don't hack a computer with pacman and singing.

- Pretty sure you don't breaking into a enemy base while singing.

- A group of idol singers can also act as spies?

- Why bring inexperienced, easily excitable people along with you on a spy mission?

- It is was Apples & Water all along?

- A planet of cat people? Purrfect excuse to put everyone in cat ears. On a serious spy mission?

[David Hingtgen]

Am I the only one who keeps mentally calling it planet Voldemort?

[azrael]

- A planet of cat people? Purrfect excuse to put everyone in cat ears. On a serious spy mission?

Great. 2 weeks of cat puns.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

I originally translated this here:

https://twitter.com/GwynCampbell/status/729893993513771008

cool! my friend posted it yesterday 5:30pm a few hours before your tweet. it's from newtype i believe.

meow back <3 sorry, can't resist...

hahaha

Edited May 16, 2016 by davidwhangchoi

[Tochiro]

cool! my friend posted it yesterday 5:30pm a few hours before your tweet. it's from newtype i believe.

hahaha

Yes it is indeed from Newtype! :-)

Its actually a picture I took myself the morning the magazine was released.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Tochiro

[d3v]

GG still getting Hayate's rank wrong. Juni should be Warrant Officer, no Sergeant.

[charger69]

All around great episode: even Messer and Mikumo.

I'm hoping Mikumo singing in the Protoculture ruin somehow activates it and frees planet Voldor...or at least allows for a Delta/Walkure escape. Those stalactite/stalagmite looking pipes in the ruin look like they could act as an excellent resonator and/or amplifier.

I wish Mikumo's singing activates the Birdman sent to Voldor and helps to Delta Squadron fighting against Windermere. According to intro, what I understand is there is a Protoculture ruin and maybe an assigned Birdman to every habitable planet.

[d3v]

The absurd List.

- Pretty sure you don't hack a computer with pacman and singing.

It's called "Hollywood Hacking", and I'm pretty sure that this isn't even the most egregious example in fiction.

On a related note, all the smiley faces reminds me of Ed hacking anything in Cowboy Bebop.

[Scream Man]

Am I the only one who keeps mentally calling it planet Voldemort?

Not anymore, thanks for that!

[meenonfire]

I think I found a girl who entered Walküre audition

[starla]

The absurd List.

- Why bring inexperienced, easily excitable people along with you on a spy mission?

that's my biggest gripe with this ep... except you're using a more polite language than i would

[Valkyrie Driver]

Am I the only one who keeps mentally calling it planet Voldemort?

Not anymore, thanks for that!

Yep now me too.