Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 7 - READ 1st POST

[azrael]

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[TMBounty_Hunter]

Hooray captured arc!

[RedWolf]

Windermere has been tainting both the water supplies and apples all along. The combination of both creates Var syndrome. This explains incidents without fold waves. Windermere has been doing this for years if Macross E is any indication with Chaos fighting Var in 2063.

Voldorans were cat tree people before joining the NUN. Their entire military is under mind control which causing suffering for their families. Windermereans just don't care. They want Voldor's ruins.

Roid was talking to a Voldoran leader who repeated what Roid said. Windermereans believe they are the true inheritors of the Protoculture. Clearly having misgivings but his hands are tied.

Mikumo seems to feel a connection to the ruins. I'm suspecting she is like Mina Forte.

Bogue finds Hayate, Freyja and Mirage trapped.

Edited May 15, 2016 by RedWolf

[Nazareno2012]

Windermere has been tainting both the water supplies and apples all along. The combination of both creates Var syndrome. This explains incidents without fold waves. Windermere has been doing this for years if Macross E is any indication with Chaos fighting Var in 2063.

Voldorans were cat tree people before joining the NUN. Their entire military is under mind control which causing suffering for their families. Windermereans just don't care. They want Voldor's ruins.

Mikumo seems to feel a connection to the ruins. I'm suspecting she is like Mina Forte.

Bogue finds Hayate, Freyja and Mirage traped.

Regarding the apples being tainted, you get the first sign of it in Episode 1 when you see a Var-affected suicide bomber eating an apple before blowing himself up. I knew there would be something to it and maybe the NUN government will impose sanctions on Windermere due to that.

[akt_m]

Wtf is Mikumo? Maybe she is some sort of protoculture with amnesia.

[Graham]

Any Valk scenes in this episode?

[starla]

Any Valk scenes in this episode?

nope

[CRYO]

Any Valk scenes in this episode?

No valk action

Story telling episode

Knight's drugged water + normal Windermere apple = mind control source

Songs all done by the pink and green duo, also have Ranka's song tribute

Mikumo seems directly connected to protoculture?

Only she can hear the calling from the ruins of protoculture, somthing similar to Sarah?

Edited May 15, 2016 by CRYO

[TMBounty_Hunter]

Any Valk scenes in this episode?

There's no real action but we do get to see that the VF-31 and the shuttle have some kind of stealth coating

Yay paintjob variety

[RedWolf]

Interesting thing...

Roid doesn't deny that Windermere are the type that kills both enemies and allies as what happened with the dimension weapon to the Voldoran leader. Different from what they are telling the populace. This explains the travel restrictions and crack downs on Earth culture. Can't have the peasants revolting at what the royals and nobility did.

[Saruta]

No fansubs yet. I was too impatient to watch the raw but I do notice there is a cute new song at the start.

Looks like they are making up for reduced quality of music (compared to Kanno in Frontier) with sheer quantity.

[Tochiro]

Full plot discussion is up on this weeks GerTalk (incl. Spoilers)
http://www.macrossworld.com/speakerpodcast-ep-46-macrossΔ-ep-7-spoilercast/

[sh9000]

How do you like them apples?

[kalvasflam]

wow, sounds like a fun episode; I always like the story arcs, gives us a fuller background of what's happening. Can't wait to see the fan subs.

[UN Spacy]

Right off the bat with Ghost in the Shell homage done Macross-style? I'm okay with this.

[Windrider]

Looks like they are making up for reduced quality of music (compared to Kanno in Frontier) with sheer quantity.

Oh come on. I liked Frontier's songs but Walkure's were not worse in quality compared to it. Saying that they're going quantity over quality isn't a fair assessment.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Windrider

[Marzan]

The members of the triangle captured? How very Macross.

The level of Makina/Reina moments that Delta is delivering is taking it to a whole new level. How can people not ship that?

[azrael]

There's no real action but we do get to see that the VF-31 and the shuttle have some kind of stealth coating

Yay paintjob variety

Optical camo. Same thing the Sv-262s used to hide their markings.

Now on to the ep.

-Voldor doesn't have a satellite sensor net? Interesting.

-Voldorian helmets have cat ear slots.

-I don't think they need that many samples of water and apples.

More when I'll rewatch the ep later.

[David Hingtgen]

As this seems to be a plot/dialogue-based ep, and not "heavy mecha action" like the last one---I'll wait for subs this time, for first vieiwing. Hopefully they come out as quickly as ep 6's did. (but again--with less action, it'll likely take a bit longer to do)

Anyways---gg always seems first with subs, but now I'm seeing Doki-Chihiro as an option---are they notably different/better?

[RedWolf]

Macross Chronicle entry on Dimension Weapons.

http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRtechnology/13aDimensionWeapons.php

Dimension Weapons:

The strongest armament group, which used heavy quantum.

The armament group that uses heavy quantum reactions, such as Dimension Eaters (henceforth DE), Micro Dimension Eaters (henceforth MDE), and Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns, are generically called "Dimension Weapons" in this text (its possible to accurately say that Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns are the founding Dimension Weapons).

Among the Dimension Weapons, the Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns (Heavy Quantum Reaction Beam Guns) have an extremely old history. The Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns are the biological beam guns that the alien Vajra creatures have, that the Protoculture analyzed, implemented, and used mainly as beam guns carried aboard ships. In addition to being used as the main guns of such things as the Zentraadi Noputi Baganisu Class battleship, the Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns were also transmitted to Earth in the form of the main gun of the ASS-1 = SDF-1 Macross, and they were also built into such ships as the successor of the Macross, the Battle Class Variable Stealth Attack Space Carrier, and the Macross Quarter Class Multipurpose Stealth Space Manoeuvrable Fighting Carrier. As understood from their adoption as the main guns of the large battleships, they possess tremendous power and long range, and hardly anything exists that can withstand a direct hit from them.

The DE, which was implemented in the 2050's, while developing the heavy quantum reaction that is the mechanism of the Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns, are firearms that can be described as "Black Hole Bombs", as weapons of mass destruction that use the large mass of "Super" Heavy Quantum. These are bomb-style weapons, and they have advantages, such as comparatively easy operability and suppression of collateral damage. As a battleship class large-scale platform is necessary for them, they are considered to have a point that even surpasses that of the Heavy Quantum Reaction Guns, which only range over straight-line attacks.

MDE are a combination of DE and conventional weapons, miniaturized until a VF can be equipped with them. Even though their destructive power is inferior because their sizes are smaller than DE, they feature points that surpass DE in the aspects of pinpoint attacks, multi-purposefulness, and operability.

However, their mass production is difficult as the rare Fold Quartz material is necessary for the production of DE and MDE.

Windermere has Fold Quartz in its ruins but I have to wonder where they got specs for a MDE.

[kalvasflam]

Ok, so, it looks like Windermere is using a borrowed fleet. Either that or they have their own modified Deneb class, and what looks like Guantanamo carriers, Uraga and then Northamptons, nothing original from what I saw. Although the Denebs seem to have painted Windermere logos. I wonder if the Deneb are something that is a part of regular NUNS or more associated with private contractors or corporations.

At around 6:20 there was a ship over head, does that look like a Quarter type to anyone? Or possibly a modified Delfum.

The cat planet looks like it is well integrated into NUNS, the troops and valk pilots are native as well. I wonder how many new species there are in Macross universe at this point.

So, VAR is technically considered a biological weapon right? But here's a thought, if Var controlled NUNS or even the aerial knights are such a problem, why not just unleash their own WDM, Ghost V-9; I'm sure NUNS has the unrestricted version of those, especially if push came to shove. After all, Windermere is using biological weapons right? Apples. As someone said... kind of like Sharon Apple... ha hah

Poor Hayate, planet full of cats; they should've given him some anti-histamine.

How does it make sense that your primary anti-Var weapon is deployed as a bunch of infiltrators? I'm guessing these guys at CHAOS doesn't think through their actions, what if Mikumo gets whacked? Then there goes the whole singing as a counteraction to VAR concept. Although I know it isn't likely, I still hope that Mikumo is a Grace O'Connor like character, that's the only way to explain her confidence in the ruins, singing in the open. Otherwise, she is just a plain idiot who doesn't realize her situation.

As for the Var syndrom, looks like the mind control aspect doesn't require constant singing at least, that's good, so Windermere has a reliable slave force, as long as they can take out the Walkure; which goes back to the point of how stupid it is to send in the Walkure as a bunch of infiltrators.

[Moosey]

No valk action

Except for a CF-171 in Batroid walking.....

[Solo Wing Pixy]

Anyone else kind of weirded out by the hacking sequence at the beginning of the episode? Reina was basically playing holographic osu in order to hack military hardware.

[Seto Kaiba]

Just sittin' down to watch the new episode now...

00:13 - Is it just me, or is that the colony city Altira from Macross: Do You Remember Love? in an apparently pristine state?

01:16 - Well, that's new... we've known since Macross VF-X2 that Ghost in the Shell level hacker shenanigans were possible, and Macross Frontier only confirmed it further and indicated cybernetics were more widespread, but I don't think we've ever seen someone human(oid) hack a tactical network like that in realtime. I'm not sure what the hell she actually did though. The fighter-scale optical camo is a nice touch, but also not a new technology for Macross (IIRC Macross R was the initial appearance of that).

04:24 - Walkure is having WAY too much fun going undercover. Cute, but I don't think I would send idol singers (whose job is literally to be as recognizable as possible) on an undercover operation behind enemy lines where remaining undetected is essential. Seems like a great way to get found out fairly quickly.

05:33 - OK, I have to admit, this series has been rich in architecture porn if nothing else. The backgrounds are every bit as rich and atmospheric as the matte paintings and other background effects used in Star Trek.

05:47 - Kind of amazed that few people on Vordor seem put off by the armed soldiers on the streets, with the grotesque popping veins of Var syndrome. That'd squick most people right the hell out, I'd imagine... plus knowing that they're mind-controlled killers with no remorse. Either Vordor is incredibly laid back or they have a LOT of catnip in the water supply.

08:50 - Oh jeez that's heartbreaking. Poor pilot's kids are desperately singing to him in an attempt to snap him out of his Var syndrome mind control, and he's totally oblivious to their existence. Kinda knocks the Windermerean offensive from "jackassery" right up to honest puppy-kicking villainy. Right away, Freyja's proving my point for me... she loses her cool the minute the kids give up.

13:15 - Oh that is a whole cartload of not good... the Windermereans have dimension eater weaponry, and they're not afraid to use it. Looks like the mark of their shame is the crater left behind by a dimension eater detonation on the surface of their planet. I wonder why it's still reacting after 7 years... maybe they set it off on top of some ruins that had active fold quartz systems and the fold quartz is still resonating?

18:13 - Well, that explains that... Var syndrome is something Windermere was intentionally spreading via its exports. I wonder how long they've been plotting this takeover? Probably longer than just seven years.

[RedWolf]

Just sittin' down to watch the new episode now...

08:50 - Oh jeez that's heartbreaking. Poor pilot's kids are desperately singing to him in an attempt to snap him out of his Var syndrome mind control, and he's totally oblivious to their existence. Kinda knocks the Windermerean offensive from "jackassery" right up to honest puppy-kicking villainy. Right away, Freyja's proving my point for me... she loses her cool the minute the kids give up.

18:13 - Well, that explains that... Var syndrome is something Windermere was intentionally spreading via its exports. I wonder how long they've been plotting this takeover? Probably longer than just seven years.

Macross E manga the Delta prequel is set in 2063 and Var was around then that Chaos has a singer deal with it.

Every time Heinz sings a cat girl cries.

[azrael]

Anyone else kind of weirded out by the hacking sequence at the beginning of the episode? Reina was basically playing holographic osu in order to hack military hardware.

Keep in mind, Hollywood (and entertainment in general) show a very piss-poor understanding of how computer infiltration works.

This lil' comic explains it better than me.

(spoiiler'd for size)

[UN Spacy]

Suubs are out!

[aaajin]

Suubs are out!

gg has it in torrent, any streaming site uploaded it yet?

Edited May 16, 2016 by aaajin

[akt_m]

gg has it in torrent, any streaming site uploaded it yet?

It is possible to stream torrents. Just google it.

[UN Spacy]

OMG gg.

The damn cat puns.

I wonder if this'll make it to the official subs

[Zinjo]

Hah! I knew the Windermerians were a metaphor for the Nazi's! "Kill friend and foe equally..."

Yep Seto it definitely looks like a PC City Ship, which simply reinforces the mythos of how the PC colonized the galaxy.

Though it appears clear to me that Roid detonated the DE weapon and blamed it on the NUNS. Why else would the king be so bent on "revenge" if he knew the truth. For Roid this would be a typical propaganda tool. Attack your own people and blame the enemy of your choice.

Roid being a PC Researcher likely stumbled across the old weapon, used it and now doesn't know how to shut the damn thing off. We've seen what a dimension eater can do in M7 and MF. I suspect the lack of time is a reference to an uncontrolled reaction that may be eating their planet from the inside out.

I find it interesting that the last race to the party considers themselves to be the heirs to the kingdom (or the Stellar Republic). Isn't that reserved for the first born?

The Windemere commandeered the NUNS fleet garrisoned at their planet and perhaps the fleet defending the annexed worlds they took over. How very PD of them.

I have not given up on the idea that Mikumo is a Nome decendent. This is how she could hear/ sense the PC ruins very much like Sarah and Mao.

There is definitely something more than a close friendship between Makina and Reina. I suspect something "closer" than that...

Edited May 16, 2016 by Zinjo

[kalvasflam]

Hah! I knew the Windermerians were a metaphor for the Nazi's! "Kill friend and foe equally..."

Yep Seto it definitely looks like a PC City Ship, which simply reinforces the mythos of how the PC colonized the galaxy.

Though it appears clear to me that Roid detonated the DE weapon and blamed it on the NUNS. Why else would the king be so bent on "revenge" if he knew the truth. For Roid this would be a typical propaganda tool. Attack your own people and blame the enemy of your choice.

Roid being a PC Researcher likely stumbled across the old weapon, used it and now doesn't know how to shut the damn thing off. We've seen what a dimension eater can do in M7 and MF. I suspect the lack of time is a reference to an uncontrolled reaction that may be eating their planet from the inside out.

I find it interesting that the last race to the party considers themselves to be the heirs to the kingdom (or the Stellar Republic). Isn't that reserved for the first born?

The Windemere commandeered the NUNS fleet garrisoned at their planet and perhaps the fleet defending the annexed worlds they took over. How very PD of them.

I have not given up on the idea that Mikumo is a Nome decendent. This is how she could hear/ sense the PC ruins very much like Sarah and Mao.

I want to think Mikumo is Grace + Sheryl; Grace's evil, and Sheryl indomitable will and ability to sing. I wonder if Windermere detonated the weapon and who else was in on the gag, Keith seems likely, how else does it explain him talking about the shame from last episode.

I wonder how wide spread Var syndrom really is across the galaxy or if it was just across the cluster.

Edited May 16, 2016 by kalvasflam

[Zinjo]

I want to think Mikumo is Grace + Sheryl; Grace's evil, and Sheryl indomitable will and ability to sing. I wonder if Windermere detonated the weapon and who else was in on the gag, Keith seems likely, how else does it explain him talking about the shame from last episode.

I wonder how wide spread Var syndrom really is across the galaxy or if it was just across the cluster.

Yeah, I could see Keith being in on it. Heir to the throne and all...

[RedWolf]

Roid that is pretty arrogant in proclaiming Brisingr cluster inhabitants are the true inheritors of the Protoculture. As if Earthers, Zentradi and Zolans don't count as they weren't from there.

FYI the Rax ruin AI recognized Mylene a hybrid as heir to Protoculture's legacy. What is she? Both an Earther and Zentradi. It would also apply to Michael Blanc who is also a hybrid of Zolan descent. Ranka too.

Roid doesn't deny they used the Dimension Eater on their planet to Voldor's leader.

Gramia's a senile manchild who never grew up. It can't be my fault it somebody else fault. Even his bastard son is calling bullshit on that.

[tout-puissant]

Hey, someone ELSE gets a solo! The other members of Walkure had been faded into the background musically-speaking, since the beginning of the show and I was wondering if they were anything but backup singers and exposition spouters. There may not have been a traditional mecha action sequence in this one, but the singing-hacking scene, and the misty-eyed scene of the kids singing to their Var-addled ace pilot dad more than made up for it.

And the cat puns. Oooooh, the cat puns...

Mark