Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 2 - READ 1st POST

[Seto Kaiba]

That's something that annoyed me. Captain Johnson is the commander of Elysion, and he had to sit in a chair sized for a normal human? And drink from a normal mug? Come off it. His entrance was enough; he doesn't need to descend into caricature.

Maybe he's just not the type for special treatment. The type who "goes, if my men can use these chairs and mugs, then I should be able to do so too".

Considering how thoroughly stage-managed everything else relating to the Walkure audition was, I strongly suspect that everything Captain Johnson did - from entering through a door much too small for him to using a chair and mug built for someone a good deal smaller than him - was an entirely deliberate move on his part intended to wrong-foot (and possibly intimidate) the candidates.

Chaos's branch office on Ragna seems to have a rather strong commitment to showmanship as the tactical support for Walkure... this also shows in Arad's handling of Hayate. Safe bet it's no accident that they walked Hayate right past the flight decks and just happened to have a few Delta Platoon VF-31's sitting out even though their pilots were occupied elsewhere. They were counting rather heavily on that boy having caught the I-want-to-fly sickness (Alto Syndrome?).

Thinking about it Chaos could be a PMC or private army for Barrette City emigration fleet in the same sense Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was for Macross Galaxy.

Based on Arad's comment about having no love for the military, that they're a PMC seems like a slam dunk.

The HQ on Ragna is described as a branch office of the organization, so it seems likely that they have a presence in a number of emigrant fleets and/or on emigrant worlds just like SMS does. That'd also explain why they use a Macross Quarter-class ship (the apparent standard for today's well-armed PMC on the go) and why they're conspicuously better equipped than the local planetary defense force (if they have an arrangement with the local New UN Forces garrisons like SMS did).

[d3v]

My favorite scene from episode 2 has to be Freyja's "final audition" where she starts singing to the "Var infected" guy in the tram.

It basically combines two very similar scenes from Frontier: Ranka's performance at the mall and Sheryl singing in the shelter. All three are scenes where the decision to sing in the midst of despair leads to great changes in the lives of these characters.

However, after thinking about it (and watching more Macross), I realize that all these scenes call back to yet another scene from an older show - the final confrontation of Macross Plus where Myung's decision to sing saves Isamu's life. Heck, Myung and Freyja start singing in almost the exact same position (on the ground on their side).

While none of the other three are in as dramatic and desperate a situation as Myung's, all of them have the decision to sing as an embracing of their nature as songstresses.

Based on Arad's comment about having no love for the military, that they're a PMC seems like a slam dunk.

The HQ on Ragna is described as a branch office of the organization, so it seems likely that they have a presence in a number of emigrant fleets and/or on emigrant worlds just like SMS does. That'd also explain why they use a Macross Quarter-class ship (the apparent standard for today's well-armed PMC on the go) and why they're conspicuously better equipped than the local planetary defense force (if they have an arrangement with the local New UN Forces garrisons like SMS did).

Makes me wonder at what the in-universe explanation is for all these PMC that are basically their own Navys with fleet air arms is. Edited April 13, 2016 by d3v

[Graham]

My favorite scene was Mirage's rescue of Hayate's VF-171.

My favorite scene will only ever be mecha scenes.....haha

Anyway, love the music in that scene.

[PrimumMobile]

I'm actually expecting Freyja's field and equipment training to be more grueling than Hayate's. I hope Makina explains their tech in a cute fashion.

Edited April 13, 2016 by PrimumMobile

[RedWolf]

Makes me wonder at what the in-universe explanation is for all these PMC that are basically their own Navys with fleet air arms is.

In an interview Shoji Kawamori emphasized that corporations can be nations. Macross Frontier and Macross Galaxy were invested by corporations.

General Galaxy for Galaxy, Richard Bilrer for Frontier. Both had PMCs. Difference is Frontier SMS had only one ship contracted to support NUNS, Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was the entire escort fleet. When the laws changed MGCA called itself NUNS when they were not UN Spacy like everybody else was.

[Mr March]

It's 100% exactly the same ladder as on the F-18:

That is awesome! Figures the VF-31 ladder would be inspired by some similar feature in real life. But knowing this doesn't make the design any less clever or impressive.

[d3v]

In an interview Shoji Kawamori emphasized that corporations can be nations. Macross Frontier and Macross Galaxy were invested by corporations.

General Galaxy for Galaxy, Richard Bilrer for Frontier. Both had PMCs. Difference is Frontier SMS had only one ship contracted to support NUNS, Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was the entire escort fleet. When the laws changed MGCA called itself NUNS when they were not UN Spacy like everybody else was.

Wait, so does that mean that the MCGA turned NUNS just replaced the old UNS now? Seems that way since we haven't seen the old UNS since 7 and even the Al Shahal garrison was NUNS. Edited April 13, 2016 by d3v

[RedWolf]

Wait, so does that mean that the MCGA turned NUNS just replaced the old UNS now? Seems that way since we haven't seen the old UNS since 7 and even the Al Shahal garrison was NUNS.

From what I gather Macross Galaxy never had UN Spacy but a private army. Everybody else good ol' UN Spacy.

When decentralization happened the organization was still called UN Spacy... Then the whole Lactence thing happened leading to what was essentially a UN Spacy civil war over Earth. Rumors has it Vindirance leader Maria Fokina Barnrose was Therese Jenius and Max was a supporter. Lactence didn't like the change in status so it did a complicated plan selling weapons to terrorists so colonies will call Earth for help.

Given what happened since the new UN was now the New UN a name change for UN Spacy was appropriate. New UN Spacy.

Odd thing about Galaxy fleet besides the MGCA and their unique fleet composition is that Galaxy left Eden in 2031. And it is called NMC-21 when it left the same year as Macross 1. Which makes me think it didn't get a Battle class till later.

Macross 7 left Earth in 2037, Frontier left Earth in 2041.

Oh Macross Galaxy had a connection to Manfred Brando who built the Fold Quartz equipped Sound Jamming system used by Lactence and he also funded 117th Research Fleet that studied the Vajra.

Which presents a question in my mind. Was Macross Galaxy involved with Windermere given the Aerial Knights are using cutting edge VFs with cockpit holography and heavy quantum beam gun? That and the one who sings the Var song has Fold Quartz around her.

On another note Roid said Heinz health is not good. We learned in Macross 7 there are different types of Spiritia and Basara was emitting positive Fold Waves with his song. What are the effects of negative Song Energy Fold Waves on others and the singer?

Edited April 13, 2016 by RedWolf

[Seto Kaiba]

Makes me wonder at what the in-universe explanation is for all these PMC that are basically their own Navys with fleet air arms is.

Thus far? Private security forces that were originally founded to protect interstellar shipping, and which grew beyond their original intent to begin providing security services for governments as well because they were easier to write off if something went horribly wrong. (As Ozma put it, SMS employees killed in the line of duty officially die in accidents, not combat.)

Mind you, SMS seems to have been extremely well-funded because they were founded and directly owned by Bilra Transport Co., one of the larger interstellar shipping concerns (which also bankrolled the Macross Frontier fleet's construction).

In an interview Shoji Kawamori emphasized that corporations can be nations. Macross Frontier and Macross Galaxy were invested by corporations.

General Galaxy for Galaxy, Richard Bilrer for Frontier. Both had PMCs. Difference is Frontier SMS had only one ship contracted to support NUNS, Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was the entire escort fleet. When the laws changed MGCA called itself NUNS when they were not UN Spacy like everybody else was.

Sort of. He only actually identified the Macross Galaxy fleet's administration as being a corporation rather than a government in the interview in Otona Anime #9. The Macross Frontier fleet has an elected government, but it was financed by a corporation and thus the head of said corporation (Richard Bilra) has a LOT of sway in the parliament.

As Macross Galaxy's corporate administration was still technically considered a government, the Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was/is also technically a New UN Forces garrison raised by the Galaxy fleet rather than a PMC. (Hence why their equipment has NUNS markings, while equipment used by true PMCs like SMS doesn't.)

Wait, so does that mean that the MCGA turned NUNS just replaced the old UNS now? Seems that way since we haven't seen the old UNS since 7 and even the Al Shalal garrison was NUNS.

No. The Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was always technically a UN Forces garrison... it made the change to calling itself a "New UN Forces" garrison at the same time everyone else did, after the government and military reorganized and added the "New" to the name.

Per Kawamori, the reason for the reorg was that humanity had become too spread out for a single, central government to effectively govern and so it decentralized, granted more autonomy to the emigrant fleets and colonized planets. It went from being something along the lines of the US's Federal Government (with the various fleets and planets being member states) to something more along the lines of the European Union.

[RedWolf]

Per Kawamori, the reason for the reorg was that humanity had become too spread out for a single, central government to effectively govern and so it decentralized, granted more autonomy to the emigrant fleets and colonized planets. It went from being something along the lines of the US's Federal Government (with the various fleets and planets being member states) to something more along the lines of the European Union.

Given the premise of Macross Delta decentralizing could be in consideration also for races joining their federation of sorts.

If I was an alien why would I take orders from a central government on a planet that is on the other side of the galaxy?

I think the War for Independence of Windermere after between 2059 and 2067 if Freyja's home burning is a clue. Seems the xenophobes there took power.

[Seto Kaiba]

From what I gather Macross Galaxy never had UN Spacy but a private army. Everybody else good ol' UN Spacy.

Nope. They were a corporate army, but since Galaxy's corporate government was a government under New UN Gov't jurisdiction they were also considered a NUNS garrison and their fighters bear NUNS markings.

When decentralization happened the organization was still called UN Spacy... Then the whole Lactence thing happened leading to what was essentially a UN Spacy civil war over Earth. Rumors has it Vindirance leader Maria Fokina Barnrose was Therese Jenius and Max was a supporter. Lactence didn't like the change in status so it did a complicated plan selling weapons to terrorists so colonies will call Earth for help.

Per Kawamori, the attempted coup by Garland was pretty much a sideshow rather than the actual reason for the reorganization... the reason he identifies for the reorganization was the inability of the centralized UN Government to govern when humanity had become so spread out.

Odd thing about Galaxy fleet besides the MGCA and their unique fleet composition is that Galaxy left Eden in 2031. And it is called NMC-21 when it left the same year as Macross 1. Which makes me think it didn't get a Battle class till later.

Macross 7 left Earth in 2037, Frontier left Earth in 2041.

IINM Macross Galaxy doesn't have an official launch date... the graphic in the animation contains several inaccuracies WRT dates of launch (showing, as it does, pretty much every emigrant ship launching simultaneously).

Oh Macross Galaxy had a connection to Manfred Brando who built the Fold Quartz equipped Sound Jamming system used by Lactence and he also funded 117th Research Fleet that studied the Vajra.

Only in the novelization of Macross Frontier... in that version of the story, it was Critical Path who financed the 117th Research Fleet's expedition to the galaxy's center to study the Vajra. Macross Chronicle suggests that LAI is generally believed to have been the fleet's financial backer in show.

Which presents a question in my mind. Was Macross Galaxy involved with Windermere given the Aerial Knights are using cutting edge VFs with cockpit holographty and heavy quantum beam gun. That and the one who sings the Var song has Fold Quartz around her.

On another note Roid said Heinz health is not good. We learned in Macross 7 there are different types of Spiritia and Basara was emitting positive Fold Waves with his song. What are the effects of negative Song Energy Fold Waves on others and the singer?

Considering the Draken III's suspicious resemblance to a Nightmare Plus and technological similarity to a VF-27... there are three possibilities I see:

• The Windermerians developed the Sv-262 Draken III themselves based on "captured" VF-171's that were taken during the Kingdom of the Wind's coup and the New UN withdrawal from the planet.
• LAI leaked specs under the table again... like they previously did when they leaked the YF-29 spec to Macross Galaxy and it became the basis for the final VF-27 design.
• General Galaxy is selling weapons to anti-government forces for black ops testing of new technologies, the way their own corporate army used the YF-27-5.

[TehPW]

Thus far? Private security forces that were originally founded to protect interstellar shipping, and which grew beyond their original intent to begin providing security services for governments as well because they were easier to write off if something went horribly wrong. (As Ozma put it, SMS employees killed in the line of duty officially die in accidents, not combat.)

Mind you, SMS seems to have been extremely well-funded because they were founded and directly owned by Bilra Transport Co., one of the larger interstellar shipping concerns (which also bankrolled the Macross Frontier fleet's construction).

Sort of. He only actually identified the Macross Galaxy fleet's administration as being a corporation rather than a government in the interview in Otona Anime #9. The Macross Frontier fleet has an elected government, but it was financed by a corporation and thus the head of said corporation (Richard Bilra) has a LOT of sway in the parliament.

As Macross Galaxy's corporate administration was still technically considered a government, the Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was/is also technically a New UN Forces garrison raised by the Galaxy fleet rather than a PMC. (Hence why their equipment has NUNS markings, while equipment used by true PMCs like SMS doesn't.)

No. The Macross Galaxy Corporate Army was always technically a UN Forces garrison... it made the change to calling itself a "New UN Forces" garrison at the same time everyone else did, after the government and military reorganized and added the "New" to the name.

Per Kawamori, the reason for the reorg was that humanity had become too spread out for a single, central government to effectively govern and so it decentralized, granted more autonomy to the emigrant fleets and colonized planets. It went from being something along the lines of the US's Federal Government (with the various fleets and planets being member states) to something more along the lines of the European Union.

It's a nice way to divest one's self of the responsibility of handling/CONTROLLING so many human colonies/interests. I commented on this using Battletech's Terran Hegmony (and the Star League) as a comparison. I wonder if the idea of Earth giving up the said handling/CONTROL of her infancy colonies was to avoid war with said colonies (because at one of them becomes Space America, after all)?

[Roy Focker]

Another point of interest is that all these humanoid races seem to share a common culture. Is Earth culture so strong that its colonist were able to shape alien culture's after a generation or two? Perhaps it that Protoculture's influence from eons ago that has shaped all cultures to look similar to Earth?

[Seto Kaiba]

It's a nice way to divest one's self of the responsibility of handling/CONTROLLING so many human colonies/interests. I commented on this using Battletech's Terran Hegmony (and the Star League) as a comparison. I wonder if the idea of Earth giving up the said handling/CONTROL of her infancy colonies was to avoid war with said colonies (because at one of them becomes Space America, after all)?

The way Kawamori describes it in the Otona Anime interview is that it was motivated principally by the sheer logistical difficulties of having colonies that were months or years away by space fold. It was just easier to give them the greater autonomy some of them were already asking for (or fighting over) than try to micromanage the affairs of planets tens of thousands of light years away and just hold onto the biggest military stick so they could wade in and knock heads together if two or more colonies had a serious beef with each other. (Hence the arms export restrictions that directly led to the creation of pretty much all the Valkyries we've seen in Macross Frontier and Macross Delta so far and limited the deployment of the VF-19 and VF-22. Earth keeps the biggest sticks for its forces so they can break up fights.) Delta isn't just far away, it's set in a whole other galaxy... talk about hard to manage from afar!

[azrael]

I think the War for Independence of Windermere after between 2059 and 2067 if Freyja's home burning is a clue. Seems the xenophobes there took power.

I don't know if we can call it a "War of Independence". "Revolution" seems to be the word. We will likely know more details as the show progresses. It could have been that the original government was more friendly to the UN until that sentiment changed. Basically, an internal conflict where Windermere cut off political and economic ties with the rest of the galaxy.

[Sandman]

Why is LAI leaking the yf-29 specs to Macross Galaxy. Aren't they considered a competitor with their association with general galaxy?

[RedWolf]

IINM Macross Galaxy doesn't have an official launch date... the graphic in the animation contains several inaccuracies WRT dates of launch (showing, as it does, pretty much every emigrant ship launching simultaneously).

From Macross Compendium

Macross Galaxy (fleet)

The Macross Galaxy colonization fleet is the [9th Large-scale emigration fleet] 51st super-long-distance colonization fleet, and the 21st New Macross Class Emigration Fleet, which departed from the planet Eden about 10 years prior to Frontier's departure. Supported and planned by large corporations, it was designed with many new technologies which continually evolved as the fleet traveled through space. Among those evolving technologies were cybernetics and cybernetic implants.

Macross Frontier (fleet)

The Macross Frontier is a massive colonization fleet with a total population on the scale of 10 million people. It is the 55th large-scale, super-long-distance colonization fleet utilizing the 25th New Macross class colonization ship and Island Cluster class which departed in 2041 and encountered the Vajra in 2059 while journeying near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It is composed of various small spaceships clustered around the larger Island 1 flagship. The smaller spaceships include residential, agricultural, resort, and manufacturing ships. The fleet is a fifth-generation design that uses bio-plants and recycles all onboard energy, water, air, organic matter, and other resources in a closed ecosystem. Because of this, livestock, such as hippopotamus cows, can be bred. Approximately half of the fleet's onboard population lives in Island 1.

And thus Macross Galaxy launch date is 2031.

[Mr March]

From Macross Compendium

And thus Macross Galaxy launch date is 2031.

EDIT: Whoops, looks like I did know, I'd just forgotten. It's right in my Macross Galaxy profile on the M3, LOL!

Edited April 13, 2016 by Mr March

[d3v]

I wonder how long some of these other protoculture races have been in contact with and part of the UN/New UN? Maybe contact with Windermere was fairly recent and therefore less integrated, with the revolution started by factions who's rather go back to being separate from the New UN.

[Seto Kaiba]

Why is LAI leaking the yf-29 specs to Macross Galaxy. Aren't they considered a competitor with their association with general galaxy?

LAI works with both Shinsei Industry and General Galaxy on various projects, but throughout the events of Macross Frontier they appear to have been thick as thieves with the Macross Galaxy fleet... supplying the Macross Galaxy fleet with the YF-29 spec to further their own fighter development program, giving Brera somewhere to stash his VF-27 in the Frontier fleet prior to his announcing himself publicly, hooking him up with fold boosters and so on. The exchange did go both ways too. In the movie version, it was Macross Galaxy who supplied LAI with the technology for MDE weaponry.

From Macross Compendium

And thus Macross Galaxy launch date is 2031.

The words "questionable sourcing" come to mind... I'm going through the Macross Galaxy-relevant sheets in Chronicle and so far I've not found a single reference to when Macross Galaxy was launched. Literally nothing, which is kind of shocking considering it waxes poetic about ships that barely even appear. Didn't that date come from the same source that mistakenly identifies Macross Galaxy as the 9th rather than 21st? It's a full generation newer than the City-type, so it shouldn't have been launched before the City-type became the norm.

(It would not be the first time Mr March and myself found errors in the Compendium...)

Edited April 13, 2016 by Seto Kaiba

[Zinjo]

Nope. They were a corporate army, but since Galaxy's corporate government was a government under New UN Gov't jurisdiction they were also considered a NUNS garrison and their fighters bear NUNS markings.

Per Kawamori, the attempted coup by Garland was pretty much a sideshow rather than the actual reason for the reorganization... the reason he identifies for the reorganization was the inability of the centralized UN Government to govern when humanity had become so spread out.

IINM Macross Galaxy doesn't have an official launch date... the graphic in the animation contains several inaccuracies WRT dates of launch (showing, as it does, pretty much every emigrant ship launching simultaneously).

Only in the novelization of Macross Frontier... in that version of the story, it was Critical Path who financed the 117th Research Fleet's expedition to the galaxy's center to study the Vajra. Macross Chronicle suggests that LAI is generally believed to have been the fleet's financial backer in show.

Considering the Draken III's suspicious resemblance to a Nightmare Plus and technological similarity to a VF-27... there are three possibilities I see:

• The Windermerians developed the Sv-262 Draken III themselves based on "captured" VF-171's that were taken during the Kingdom of the Wind's coup and the New UN withdrawal from the planet.
• LAI leaked specs under the table again... like they previously did when they leaked the YF-29 spec to Macross Galaxy and it became the basis for the final VF-27 design.
• General Galaxy is selling weapons to anti-government forces for black ops testing of new technologies, the way their own corporate army used the YF-27-5.

I would favor the latter as well as the possibility that the spectre of Galaxy was somehow involved in the Windemere secession. The cold war has begun...

[Roy Focker]

I'm guessing UN has been in contact with others for at least a generation. The Earthlings living in places shown so far don't seem to be roughing it. They're all casually walking the streets with the aliens like they've been all use to each other for some time. A generation would be enough time to welcome UN Colonists to your world. Have everyone's kids all go to school and grow up together.

[Seto Kaiba]

I would favor the latter as well as the possibility that the spectre of Galaxy was somehow involved in the Windemere secession. The cold war has begun...

It'd also play well with the Knights of the Wind's ideology... bigotry and hypocrisy often go hand in hand.

I'm guessing UN has been in contact with others for at least a generation. The Earthlings living in places shown so far don't seem to be roughing it. They're all casually walking the streets with the aliens like they've been all use to each other for some time. A generation would be enough time to welcome UN Colonists to your world. Have everyone's kids all go to school and grow up together.

Yeah, and Barrette City on Ragna seems to have a fairly well-developed tourism industry independent of Walkure's HQ that seems designed to cater to off-world visitors... that sort of thing doesn't develop overnight.

[RedWolf]

I'm guessing UN has been in contact with others for at least a generation. The Earthlings living in places shown so far don't seem to be roughing it. They're all casually walking the streets with the aliens like they've been all use to each other for some time. A generation would be enough time to welcome UN Colonists to your world. Have everyone's kids all go to school and grow up together.

Now you are giving me a vision of a Macross Zootopia.

[Zinjo]

Now you are giving me a vision of a Macross Zootopia.

It is anime after all.

In reality it would take several generations for the indigenous peoples to adapt to a foreign culture and even then, there would be traditionalists who would resist or refuse to assimilate.

[Saruta]

I think the War for Independence of Windermere after between 2059 and 2067 if Freyja's home burning is a clue. Seems the xenophobes there took power.

Missed that one - where do I look for Freyja's home burning?

[Raptor One]

Delta isn't just far away, it's set in a whole other galaxy... talk about hard to manage from afar!

A different galaxy? Since when? Or were you just being figurative?

Missed that one - where do I look for Freyja's home burning?

She has flashbacks to it, I think one of them happens right before she starts singing in this episode. Or maybe while she's singing.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Raptor One

[Rbstr]

A different galaxy? Since when? Or were you just being figurative?

The map made it look like it might be in one of the magellanic clouds. Those are smaller galaxies that orbit the Milky Way.

[Duke Togo]

Liked this episode better than episode 1. I was going to call BS on the whole thing until it was revealed that, HAHA, Hayate can't fly. Has no clue how to. They actually avoided the whole "novice can pilot the most badass mecha ever" trope. I have to give them props for that.

I do take some issue with Mirage being less than a genius as a pilot. And speaking of tropes, the Walkure girls are as cliched as they get.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Duke Togo

[Alberich]

Interesting chat about the PMC's and the NUNS... which let my with a doubt to clarify. We can see a lot of PMC's in the colony fleet by meanings already discussed or explained during this topic, but this left me with big questions about NUNS. What is happening to Earth and the core of the NUNS fleet which as I consider is a mix of the Terran and Zentraedi fleets, they participate in some conflicts/defense/patrolling only in the inner sphere of influence of the NUNS controlled space? And thus having a somewhat weak presence as you go further from the inner core of the NUNS, having a more fertile place for PMC's?.

And finally the development of new VF's have a bigger impact in the inner core than in the outer rim of the NUNS space? I mean we already see that the garrison in Al-Shahal only have VF-171's and nothing newer than that, so is more probable that the main fleets back at home have more tech, like I don't know fleets where the core of fighters are the VF-25, VF-27, VF-29 and VF-31's?. Well that is pretty much what I wanted to say about all of this. Also is a pretty good chat about this other in-universe elements happening as the main story develops.

[Zinjo]

The map made it look like it might be in one of the magellanic clouds. Those are smaller galaxies that orbit the Milky Way.

I'll have to watch that sequence again. It would be disappointing if the universe were to be moving out to another galaxy, thus diminishing the actual size of the milky way which vast enough as it is...

[Zinjo]

Interesting chat about the PMC's and the NUNS... which let my with a doubt to clarify. We can see a lot of PMC's in the colony fleet by meanings already discussed or explained during this topic, but this left me with big questions about NUNS. What is happening to Earth and the core of the NUNS fleet which as I consider is a mix of the Terran and Zentraedi fleets, they participate in some conflicts/defense/patrolling only in the inner sphere of influence of the NUNS controlled space? And thus having a somewhat weak presence as you go further from the inner core of the NUNS, having a more fertile place for PMC's?.

And finally the development of new VF's have a bigger impact in the inner core than in the outer rim of the NUNS space? I mean we already see that the garrison in Al-Shahal only have VF-171's and nothing newer than that, so is more probable that the main fleets back at home have more tech, like I don't know fleets where the core of fighters are the VF-25, VF-27, VF-29 and VF-31's?. Well that is pretty much what I wanted to say about all of this. Also is a pretty good chat about this other in-universe elements happening as the main story develops.

I would consider the NUNS fleets of the Federal forces to be akin to the modern NATO forces. They are the cops of the Allied worlds and as already stated, probably have the top tier gear that can swat mis-behaving colonies if ever called upon to intervene. One could speculate that Earth and maybe Eden would have the bleeding edge equipment, and other member states would have gear comparable, but not exactly as advanced. Those not directly a part of the alliance would be relegated to what we've seen in Frontier, having to develop their own equipment with the "released" tech. The Allied group of worlds would then deploy their fleets as tasks forces to whatever regions needed their attention. That isn't official, just an extrapolation of what may be.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Zinjo

[PrimumMobile]

Being devil's advocate here. Perhaps NUNs wronged Windemere in some way that their secession was justified but that powers that be in Windemere evolved to a Xenophobic stance. It's not the first time in history that a larger more technologically advanced civilization stepped on the toes a smaller, weaker one.

Edited April 13, 2016 by PrimumMobile

[Raptor One]

The map made it look like it might be in one of the magellanic clouds. Those are smaller galaxies that orbit the Milky Way.

Huh, I never caught that, I thought it was just near the edge. Will have to take a closer look

[Saruta]

Being devil's advocate here. Perhaps NUNs wronged Windemere in some way that their secession was justified but that powers that be in Windemere evolved to a Xenophobic stance. It's not the first time in history that a larger more technologically advanced civilization stepped on the toes a smaller, weaker one.

In the context of previous Macross instalments this seems to be a likely scenario. Macross seems to shirk from "bad guys", with some exceptions like Grace in Frontier. But the fight with the apparent Big Bad is very likely to be a misunderstanding.