Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi, on home media Mar. 13, 2018

[Chronocidal]

32 minutes ago, azrael said:

That's what happened with the prequel trilogy, to some effect. Worlds were leaving the Republic and joining the Separatists movement because of government inaction, infighting, lack of representation, etc. which eventually led to the Clone Wars. Back in the prequels, Sidious/Palpatine preyed on the insecurities of worlds to get them to dissolve the Republic. Your twist could be that this is happening without a Sith Lord interfering with the Republic and yet people are flowing to strong yet tyrannical rule. But, again, it has to be presented correctly or the audience won't go with it.

Being presented at all would be a step in the right direction here.

For all we've seen, the First Order and Resistance might as well be fighting over a single star system.

The First Order diverted it's flagship to chase down the resistance.  Not like the Executor was Vader's command ship, but more like if the Emperor himself decided to take a joyride and personally chase down some hapless Rebel cruiser.

But according to the opening crawl, the First Order just took over the "galaxy."

Do they seriously have nothing better to do than divert their entire command fleet to chase down one cruiser's worth of resistance fighters?

 

 

[spacemanoeuvres]

20 hours ago, ArchieNov said:

I loved this summary of the movie

 that was great.  I still haven't seen the movie but by all accounts it's terrible.  

Not jumping up and down to buy tickets but I'll check it out at some point...probably...maybe...meh

Edited December 28, 2017 by spacemanoeuvres
a word

[slaginpit]

I am not sure anyone mentioned the Social Justice aspect where in that harry potter scene, when huckleberry fin  and princess mulan freed those poor kangaroo fox/wolves/lamas/bunny fantastic beasts and felt so satisfied they trashed the rich peoples place. Cause you know rich people are bad bad bad.

 

Um not one thought to who is going to clean all that mess up. Not one thought to who will get the whip for all that chaos done by a bunch of rebels.

Princess Mulan never thought that these people once caught those kangaroo/fox/wolves/lamas/bunny fantastic beasts wont catch them again or heck why not have a new sport of hunting them down, killing them, skinning them, and then hanging them on the brand new casino walls while the slave children are forced spit shine them endlessly. Sigh

Again no wonder no one wanted to aid the rebels. But hey mystical super power rangers ring to the rescue at least until the kid turns 18

Ok Im done hacking this hackney of a film.

 

Edited December 28, 2017 by slaginpit

[Kanedas Bike]

2 hours ago, Roy Focker said:

Another video review.   Overall they were positive about the movie but did draw plenty attention to its many flaws.

And a few days after seeing the movie my feelings are mixed.  I understand characters and in universe rules from the OT had to change for this new universe to work.   There were many parts from this movie that I liked.  But that script was a mess. 

 

In full disclosure this the first YouTube review I've watched, but I thought it was very fair in it's criticism and praise. 

-b.

[kajnrig]

6 hours ago, slaginpit said:

I like how people crap and call people names that say this movie sucks.

Yeah man, I hate people who call people names:

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a disaster for some rian guy, a disaster for "the Force is feminism" Kennedy.

On 12/22/2017 at 9:45 AM, slaginpit said:

Its not that. People are dumb. I know its obtuse. But its true. People are herded cattle.

On 12/25/2017 at 9:23 AM, slaginpit said:

I love the guy with the beard. The Guy next to him reminds me of a typical beta male millennial

On 12/25/2017 at 9:27 AM, slaginpit said:

Star Wars and Rian Jerfkoff Johnson will be the next meme for a century

Others have voiced opinions about the movie regardless of where they land on the like it/dislike it spectrum, but literally no one in this thread except you is in the habit of calling people names to insult them. You're so super super salty. You specifically. You're not the pot calling the kettle black. You're a burnt pot in a burnt house in a burnt forest calling a kettle store black.

The number of times you name-call the characters (they're not real, they can't hurt you) nearly triples this list's size. Mixed with the casual racism you like to throw around, it's kind of hard to take your complaints about "people being mean about my Star Wars" very seriously.

Edited December 28, 2017 by kajnrig

[electric indigo]

I'm very much with Jeremy Jahns on this. I don't mind the deviations from the canon, though, I just wanted a good movie.

 

[kajnrig]

Quick question:

Was it confirmed through supplementary materials or whatnot that the red guards are Kylo Ren's Knights of Ren? Are they just an evolution of the same red-clad Emperor's guards (my guess)? I see a lot of speculation that it's the former, but I don't know what's coming from "canon" and what's just headcanoning.

[Dobber]

4 hours ago, azrael said:

....That's what happened with the prequel trilogy, to some effect. Worlds were leaving the Republic and joining the Separatists movement because of government inaction, infighting, lack of representation, etc. which eventually led to the Clone Wars. Back in the prequels, Sidious/Palpatine preyed on the insecurities of worlds to get them to dissolve the Republic. Your twist could be that this is happening without a Sith Lord interfering with the Republic and yet people are flowing to strong yet tyrannical rule. But, again, it has to be presented correctly or the audience won't go with it.

That’s what I am going for. Not constant politics, but enough to show how the “democracy” isn’t working well and instead of the Republic becoming the Empire, systems just leave to a “new” one. Have it show how, possibly, the more freedom or kind hearted the Republic is, is also causing more lawlessness and piracy ect. Then how the First Order cracks down, HARSHLY, on those things....possibly even giving the audience some thoughts about the possible benefits.

Maybe have it still be the Imperial Remnant, and the First Order is it’s shadow group with the Resistance being the New Republics shadow group. So while the 2 governments are in a “Cold War” of sorts, fighting politically....their shadow groups are fighting a “Hot War” in smaller skirmishes, trying to show the crimes and or failures that the other side is committing. Then by movie 2 the war goes completely “HOT”.

 

Chris

Edited December 28, 2017 by Dobber

[jenius]

In response to the Jeremy Jahns review, I mentioned before, the casino scene is actually another failure of Poe, who enables it. A lot of people are missing that in their reviews though that doesn't redeem the arch. The great thing about Luke’s end was that it does answer the question why people don't do that more. Kylo also sets up that earlier when he says using the force to do impressive stuff ’would kill you.’

[Roy Focker]

How many mistakes does Poe need?

Half the blame still goes to Purple hair lady.  This is a volunteer resistance.  The high command is gone.  To avoid ship wipe panic you talk to your crew.  

[danth]

4 minutes ago, Roy Focker said:

Half the blame still goes to Purple hair lady.  This is a volunteer resistance.  The high command is gone.  To avoid ship wipe panic you talk to your crew.  

The obvious counter-argument to this is that the Star Wars universe is full of spies and traitors. Case in point: Poe thinks Holdo is a traitor. So why the f*ck would you tell a low ranking soldier the master plan?

Poe is an idiot. He got people killed. He needs to shut up and follow orders.

[Dobber]

12 minutes ago, danth said:

The obvious counter-argument to this is that the Star Wars universe is full of spies and traitors. Case in point: Poe thinks Holdo is a traitor. So why the f*ck would you tell a low ranking soldier the master plan?

Poe is an idiot. He got people killed. He needs to shut up and follow orders.

Yes Poe is the spy, the guy that blew up the Starkiller base and the Dreadnought. Leia’s Most trusted soldier. IIRC, Leia and Holdo have spoken about Poe in the past as well as he being the future of resistance leadership.

Chris

[jenius]

I thought it was just typical "need to know... And you don't need to know" military behavior.

[Dobber]

1 hour ago, jenius said:

I thought it was just typical "need to know... And you don't need to know" military behavior.

It was....just the excuses of spies and such is silly. However, when the Resistance is in such dire straights and are on the Run from the First Order who have already found them and they are on their last legs, the descision to not tell him is a bit short sighted and stupid on her part. They try and explain it away as a leap of faith or something, Holdo says as much at one point talking with Poe....she quotes something from Leia, but I can’t remember the exact line. Either way, both Holdo and Poe really screwed up IMO. Poe really did get ALOT of people killed in this movie, but Holdo had a hand in at least the second circumstance. 

One thing I really scratch my head at, as the Angry review said, why didn’t the so described “FLEET KILLER” Dreadnought, you know, kill the fleet where all the Resistance evacuees where seen fleeing to? The base was not and could not go any where but those ships as we saw can and did.  Just a lot of stupid descisions in the movie from all sides. 

I would just like a well thought out movie that shows some form of competence from the forces involved. I know that has NEVER been SW’s strong suit, but it would be nice to see for us aged fans. Instead the good guys win because of stupidity, incompetence, poor aim by bad guys (Empire/First Order), purely for plot convenience. It’s just a bit lazy writing because it seems like they don’t want to put in the time to figure things out and rather want to get from plot point a to b in the fastest, most simplistic way. Doesn’t need to be  overly intellectual but at least not so dumbed down either. Just my 2 cents.

Chris

Edited December 29, 2017 by Dobber

[kajnrig]

8 minutes ago, Dobber said:

I would just like a well thought out movie that shows some form of competence from the forces involved. I know that has NEVER been SW’s strong suit, but it would be nice to see for us aged fans. Instead the good guys win because of stupidity, incompetence, poor aim by bad guys (Empire/First Order), purely for plot convenience. It’s just a bit lazy writing because it seems like they don’t want to put in the time to figure things out and rather want to get from plot point a to b in the fastest, most simplistic way. Doesn’t need to be  overly intellectual but at least not so dumbed down either. Just my 2 cents.

Chris

To be fair, it IS a fantasy story. Like why don't they just use the eagles? et al. And for what it's worth, it seems those of us with children can attest that our children enjoyed the movie for the most part. At least that's what I remember from the few posts I saw mentioning kids. My two nephews thought it was awesome. My niece... didn't care so much, but she's in that edgy phase of middle school going on high school.

This Star Wars isn't meant for us. I wonder what our parents (or grandparents?) must have thought of the original trilogy when they first saw it. I can't imagine there wasn't a similar (maybe lesser) sense of "i can't believe I have to sit through this entire thing..."

[Chronocidal]

1 hour ago, Dobber said:

I would just like a well thought out movie that shows some form of competence from the forces involved. I know that has NEVER been SW’s strong suit, but it would be nice to see for us aged fans. Instead the good guys win because of stupidity, incompetence, poor aim by bad guys (Empire/First Order), purely for plot convenience. It’s just a bit lazy writing because it seems like they don’t want to put in the time to figure things out and rather want to get from plot point a to b in the fastest, most simplistic way. Doesn’t need to be  overly intellectual but at least not so dumbed down either. Just my 2 cents.

That's pretty much my biggest issue with the entire thing.  If the plot was a light bulb, the combined mental capacity of both the First Order and the Resistance couldn't even have gotten the right end into the socket, much less screwed it in.

Sometimes you get movies that are a scheme pile-up.. this one is a steaming pile of tactical blunder after tactical blunder that would have ended the movie in a matter of minutes if anyone had managed to yank their head out of the mental singularity powering the plot.

Edited December 29, 2017 by Chronocidal

[Roy Focker]

So what was the plan if Purple hair lady died before her planned work?  Every other commander was dead. Hothead or not there was a good chance Poe could be next to lead.  Wouldn't you want make sure he knows the good plan instead of going with a stupid one?

[Graham]

So I'm guessing it's almost certain that Tallie (the A-wing pilot) died when  Kylo missiled the hanger.

Pity, I would have liked to see more of her.

[jenius]

You wanted them to outline the contingency plans and provide an org chart?

[Dobber]

30 minutes ago, Roy Focker said:

So what was the plan if Purple hair lady died before her planned work?  Every other commander was dead. Hothead or not there was a good chance Poe could be next to lead.  Wouldn't you want make sure he knows the good plan instead of going with a stupid one?

Excellent point. 

Like many have have said, Poe definitely F’d up and got lots of people killed, but Holdo absolutely played a part in the second scenario. 

Chris

[Dobber]

@Jenius

No but IIRC Poe was pleading with her to tell him something, that there is a plan, to give them hope. They where obviously freaking out.......she said nothing. Not a very good leader at all. 

Chris

Edited December 29, 2017 by Dobber

[kalvasflam]

By the way, I forgot about the most famous group of all, the infamous knights of Ren.  Weren’t they just awesome in this movie?  Huh huh?

cant wait till we see more of those badasses in ep IX.

[eXis10z]

23 minutes ago, Graham said:

 

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So I'm guessing it's almost certain that Tallie (the A-wing pilot) died when  Kylo missiled the hanger.

 

Pity, I would have liked to see more of her.

Here's her IG: https://www.instagram.com/hermionecorfield/?hl=en

Edited December 29, 2017 by eXis10z

[jenius]

50 minutes ago, Dobber said:

@Jenius

No but IIRC Poe was pleading with her to tell him something, that there is a plan, to give them hope. They where obviously freaking out.......she said nothing. Not a very good leader at all. 

Chris

Well yeah, back to her being a bad leader and the plot relying on that but it's also making the point that Poe is still irresponsible. His assumption shouldn't be that the admiral is hopeless and that a mutiny is required and he shouldn't be sending people off on half cocked missions that will likely deliver them into enemy hands.

[nhyone]

11 hours ago, Kanedas Bike said:

In full disclosure this the first YouTube review I've watched, but I thought it was very fair in it's criticism and praise. 

-b.

Chris Stuckmann gave it a A- in his review. Jeremy Jahns copped out and did not give it a rating. Since both released their reviews on 12th Dec, they should have attended the premiere.

[azrael]

6 hours ago, kajnrig said:

To be fair, it IS a fantasy story.

That isn't an excuse for it to make no tactical sense. Or have lots of plot issues. Even fantasy stories can make sense without needing your disbelief to perform a contortionist act while performing open heart surgery to make sense.

As for the purple-hair Admiral and Poe, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoorCommunicationKills

 

[hachi]

7 hours ago, Dobber said:

@Jenius

No but IIRC Poe was pleading with her to tell him something, that there is a plan, to give them hope. They where obviously freaking out.......she said nothing. Not a very good leader at all. 

Chris

Wasn't it just Poe freaking out? It is not outside of reality that a) Holdo didn't really trust Poe b) Holdo is also hard-headed who wouldn't want to explain her plan to some pilot who was not under her command before. I think that both of them were at fault here.

[electric indigo]

What made this setup even more awkward was the abysmal character direction. Laura Dern had no leadership charisma whatsoever, she just came across as a bitchy art teacher. As for the other actors, it looked like Johnson was aiming to run more performances into the ground than Lucas. Remember the power of Isaac and Gleeson in "Ex Machina"? Here, they are degraded to TV-SF Serial material. At times, I felt pity for Carrie Fisher to be stuck up in this.

Strangely enough, we got all these awesome moments from Hamill, Driver and Ridley.

[peter]

[Dobber]

Lol!

[azrael]

1 hour ago, peter said:

 

Family Guy already went there.

 

[Kanedas Bike]

11 hours ago, nhyone said:

Chris Stuckmann gave it a A- in his review. Jeremy Jahns copped out and did not give it a rating. Since both released their reviews on 12th Dec, they should have attended the premiere.

Not for nothing, I usually watch Stuckmann, I tend to agree with his assessments, and his review videos aren't overly long. I also like Jahns, just not as much.

Planning to see this for the third and final time in the movies this weekend, but that may or may not happen. 

If I do go, I'm not looking to see any additional or missed details, or to glean whether I like it more or less - I just want to go and enjoy.

-b.

[Roy Focker]

Image if Admiral Purple Hair was in charge during the battle of Yavin?

The Death Star is coming.  Everyone knows what destruction it is capable of.  Instead of informing the base staff and the star fighter pilots about the Death Star's weakness to give them hope against terrible odds she just tells everyone to remain at their stations  during the entire attack.  She has secretly only told Gold Leader the truth.  You don't think more people there would running away with Han?

What did she do when she took over command in the Last Jedi?   Did she ask someone for a report on the crew's morale?   Rose was sending crew members trying to flee to the brig.  Poe didn't seem to have any problems finding supporters.  It would have been smarter for her to get Poe on her side early on.   Both of them seemed like two stubborn idiots who thought they knew best and was too proud to work with the other.  I hold her to the higher standard because she's the one with higher rank.  All of her experience should have told her that in order for her plan to work she needed the support of the crew. 

[Kanedas Bike]

51 minutes ago, Roy Focker said:

Image if Admiral Purple Hair was in charge during the battle of Yavin?

The Death Star is coming.  Everyone knows what destruction it is capable of.  Instead of informing the base staff and the star fighter pilots about the Death Star's weakness to give them hope against terrible odds she just tells everyone to remain at their stations  during the entire attack.  She has secretly only told Gold Leader the truth.  You don't think more people there would running away with Han?

What did she do when she took over command in the Last Jedi?   Did she ask someone for a report on the crew's morale?   Rose was sending crew members trying to flee to the brig.  Poe didn't seem to have any problems finding supporters.  It would have been smarter for her to get Poe on her side early on.   Both of them seemed like two stubborn idiots who thought they knew best and was too proud to work with the other.  I hold her to the higher standard because she's the one with higher rank.  All of her experience should have told her that in order for her plan to work she needed the support of the crew. 

Well, at least she had a spectacular exit. 

-b.

[Roy Focker]

While I don't care for his delivery of his reviews (very annoyingly hyper for my taste) I do agree with him.